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Rivercube
02-21-2004, 12:06 PM
Hi, here are some pictures of our last visit
in Hannover museum..


http://www.jagdgeschwader4.de/Flugzeuge/FW190/Fotos/Fotos-FW190-alles.htm


Enjoy it...

And as we can say (afer sittin in the cockpit of the 190A8 and the 109G2) the view from cockpit at the forward direction is much better than in the game!


Regards

Rivercube

Rivercube
02-21-2004, 12:06 PM
Hi, here are some pictures of our last visit
in Hannover museum..


http://www.jagdgeschwader4.de/Flugzeuge/FW190/Fotos/Fotos-FW190-alles.htm


Enjoy it...

And as we can say (afer sittin in the cockpit of the 190A8 and the 109G2) the view from cockpit at the forward direction is much better than in the game!


Regards

Rivercube

Rivercube
02-21-2004, 12:08 PM
it means visit lol

clint-ruin
02-21-2004, 12:11 PM
What?

http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/gwen/fb/fw190-a827.jpg

You really think so?

edit: bastard won't link to the original site, too tired to figure out why.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/djgwen/fb/leninkoba.jpg

VF-17_Jolly
02-21-2004, 12:40 PM
Great pictures. The fact you took your shoes off to sit in the cockpit made me chuckle(yes i know its a real thrill to sit in that seat and i would do the same) but just to think what they were built for and the treatment they recieved in service life it makes you wonder what the pilots would have thought if they new there mounts would end up in a museum lol

http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/ModelArticles/Grinberg/spit5/orig_spit5vvs.jpg

rbstr44
02-21-2004, 12:58 PM
Nice pics, and very enjoyable. Thanks!

[EDIT: no need to debate anything in this thread except the great quality of the pictures and website design. Oh, and the beautiful plane, too. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Cheers.]

[This message was edited by rbstr44 on Sun February 22 2004 at 04:16 AM.]

[This message was edited by rbstr44 on Sun February 22 2004 at 04:32 AM.]

IKNO
02-21-2004, 02:31 PM
This debate is old. I'm a wurger lover and believe the cockpit is wrong as modelled in the game but I have learned to live with it and do well in so called "Full Real" mode.

One critical missing test I've never seen is a picture of another another WW2 warbird -- or something similar dimensions -- through the 190 cockpit.

This would establish a great point of reference with respect to how obtrusive the bar below the gunsight actually was and how much the framing bars interefered with visibility.

Don't know if you guys can take another trip but I think this is the Holy Grail for "wurger pit whiner" vindication. I say "vindication" because Oleg has made it painfully clear he will never change the 1900 pit ... but a moral victory would be nice.

And if we're wrong, then Oleg and his crew could have their long over due vindication. Either way it'd be nice.

Thanks for sharing.

S!

jensenpark
02-21-2004, 02:55 PM
Hey: can someone translate what the sign on the seat says?

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Copperhead310th
02-21-2004, 03:09 PM
Jesus you 190 guys are still beating this dead horse?!? let it go. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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Hunde_3.JG51
02-21-2004, 03:14 PM
Great stuff! From a FW-190 fan, thank you very much you lucky &*^%$#@.

Love the BMW emblem.

How can anyone say the 190 isn't the coolest plane ever built is beyond me. Thats the only debate these pics settle IMO http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

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Korolov
02-21-2004, 03:15 PM
Hey Copper, at least it lets the people on the sideline get a good look at warbird cockpits and pics. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://www.mechmodels.com/images/newsig1.jpg

Charos
02-21-2004, 03:34 PM
Thanks Very Much for the Pictures -- Those Aircraft are in amazing condition.
In Australia most Luftwaffe aircraft I have seen in our Museums are missing everything from Engines to every Instrument in the Cockpit.

Many thanks to those continueing to make Flight Sims MORE Realistic by passing on info to Oleg and Co. Im shore it doesnt fall on deaf ears.

Chuck_Older
02-21-2004, 03:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:

How can anyone say the 190 isn't the coolest plane ever built is beyond me. Thats the only debate these pics settle IMO http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nah, the Hughes Racer is a better looker http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Morbid_Jester
02-21-2004, 03:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jensenpark:
Hey: can someone translate what the sign on the seat says?

http://images.ucomics.com/images/doonesbury/strip/thecast/duke2.jpg

"Death before unconsciousness" - Uncle Duke<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I essence it says that the canopy will be removed by explosive charges in case of an emergency. Don't touch the lever that triggers the fuse. The firing mechanism must be set to "safe" before testing.

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Steven190
02-21-2004, 06:14 PM
GREAT PICS
Thanks

horseback
02-21-2004, 08:21 PM
Beautiful pics, thanks very much for sharing them with this community, many of whom would give their left...uh, dangly thing to have shared the experience.

However, I would think for a Formal Occasion such as this, that black socks would be more appropriate. Don't they have a "Miss Manners" column in your local newspaper to instruct you in proper etiquette?

Cheers

horseback

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Glassess
02-21-2004, 09:42 PM
Maybe you should talk to this guy his daddy might have known a thing or two about the FW-190.

http://www.flugwerk.de/new/diary/bild7.shtm

DynamicBass
02-22-2004, 01:16 AM
Rivercube, nice pics and thanks for sharing them with us!!

I also have some pics from my visit to the South African war museum in Johannesburg.

I arrived as they were busy moving the 2 seater Me 262 nightfighter and the Fw 190 (I carnt remember the variant but it also has radar aerials on the wings and fuselage)

They stopped me after two photos and wouldn't let me take any more.

I got talking to them though and they told me that as someone who was realy interested that I could make an appointment to visit and take as many detailed photo's as I want and sit in the cocpits ect.(I have done this before)

They then opened the engine cover of one of the 262 engines for me and I must say it is in pristine condition! I was amazed to see that nearly every part has it's own werk nommer plate stuck on!

The question is though that should I get all these photo's would you be happy to put them on your website? The only condition would be that you acknowledge the S.A. war museum.

If you want I am happy to send the 2 pics that I mentioned earlier.

Cheers,

DynamicBass

rbstr44
02-22-2004, 05:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DynamicBass:
I also have some pics from my visit to the South African war museum in Johannesburg.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Another fellow who frequents the forums, Cirx, has a website in which he chronicles in photos a museum (or private collection?) FW-190 somewhere in South Africa. Could it be the same one? He is reorganizing his website at the moment, but you might wish to save this link for future reference. http://www.triplane.net/

I thank JG4 for putting these pics on their website, especially, for those of us who have not seen the FW-190 in person, yet.

Xnomad
02-22-2004, 05:41 AM
Hey!!! How did you get to sit in the cockpit, when I was there they wouldn't let me even climb up to have a look! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I forgot to add that this plane was restored from a complete wreck and that the Revi position in it is completely wrong!

http://www.xnomad.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/sig.jpg

Xnomad
02-22-2004, 05:58 AM
Damn you even got to sit in the G-2, that was the reason I went to that museum in the first place, to see the G-2. I'm going to cry out of jealously now!

By the way lovely photos!

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Franzen
02-22-2004, 06:26 AM
Hey Guyz,
I have to go to Germany later on this year. I want to get in contact with a few museums prior to my visit to make appointments for photo ops. I know about the 109 in Munich and the 190 in Hannover. Got any suggestions for other museums?

Fritz

Franzen
02-22-2004, 06:30 AM
BTW, had an idea. What if one person took photos looking through the gunsight while someone held a model plane in front, as if set to shoot. Would this help end the debate? Just an idea.

Fritz

clint-ruin
02-22-2004, 06:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
Would this help end the debate? Just an idea.
Fritz<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In a word, no.

At one point people were throwing "blueprints" [line drawings] of the 190 around ... one day Oleg drops by the thread, and says, hey, nice line drawings, they look just like the ones I have except mine haven't been photoshopped.

:&gt;

It is less like beating a dead horse and more like poking a dog in its nutsack with a sharp stick - a topic that never fails to bring out whining howls from those affected.

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Franzen
02-22-2004, 06:55 AM
Cool, then I won't waste my time with it. I don't understand what the big fuss is any way. Give me an La, Yak, or a Lagg and the aces flying the 190's or 109's still kick my @ss. I like to fly the 190's and 109's because when I get good with those, I'll be awesome with the others. I think of it as a personal challenge and less effort then beating that dead horse. At least I have an obtainable goal. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz

Jirozaemon
02-22-2004, 04:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
Hey Guyz,
I have to go to Germany later on this year. I want to get in contact with a few museums prior to my visit to make appointments for photo ops. I know about the 109 in Munich and the 190 in Hannover. Got any suggestions for other museums?

Fritz<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You should check out the "Deutsches Museum" in Munich. They have a Me 109, Me 262, Fokker Dr. I , and V2 among many other historical planes in their aircraft section.

Greets

Jiro

robotech
02-22-2004, 04:55 PM
The Panzer museum might be interesting as well even though it is not airplane related but hey who cares. If I remember correctly somewhere in my Panzer Elite game manual the Panzer museum is also found in Munich. Post some pics. Will ya??!! Thanks.



[QUOTE]Originally posted by Franzen:

I have to go to Germany later on this year. I want to get in contact with a few museums prior

JG4_Bendwick
02-22-2004, 05:27 PM
In Berlin is also a large Luftwaffen-museum.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
Hey Guyz,
I have to go to Germany later on this year. I want to get in contact with a few museums prior to my visit to make appointments for photo ops. I know about the 109 in Munich and the 190 in Hannover. Got any suggestions for other museums?

Fritz<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

IVJG51Swein
02-22-2004, 05:28 PM
Great photos~S~

However, I if this is an A-8 it should have a Revi 16 gunsite. The one in the aircraft is a Revi 12 which means that it was placed in the aircraft later to make it look more authentic. That explains why it isn't mounted correctly, its very low. Great photos but its incorrect to make an assumption about the cockpit view since this probably isn't accurate.

Great shots again though, its neat to see one up close and personal.
Thanks for putting them up.

EPP-Gibbs
02-22-2004, 06:10 PM
Great pictures. Though I must say that the forward views that I've seen from photos like these and others look the same as that modelled in the game.

If I had all the money I'd spent on drink..I'd spend it on drink!

Franzen
02-22-2004, 09:26 PM
Thx for the info guyz. Actually Berlin and Munich were already on my stops lists. Actually the Panzer museum sounds really cool. Do you have anymore info on it? I'd be happy to get some pics of panzers and post them. Come and get me mods! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

DynamicBass
02-23-2004, 12:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rbstr44:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DynamicBass:
I also have some pics from my visit to the South African war museum in Johannesburg.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Another fellow who frequents the forums, Cirx, has a website in which he chronicles in photos a museum (or private collection?) FW-190 somewhere in South Africa. Could it be the same one? He is reorganizing his website at the moment, but you might wish to save this link for future reference. http://www.triplane.net/


Thanks rbstr44, his link is down (permanently It seems) but I have seen it before and yes it does seem like it was about the South African museum planes.

Jirozaemon
02-23-2004, 01:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
Thx for the info guyz. Actually Berlin and Munich were already on my stops lists. Actually the Panzer museum sounds really cool. Do you have anymore info on it? I'd be happy to get some pics of panzers and post them. Come and get me mods! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Another top-spot would be the "Technik Museum" in Sinsheim, near Heidelberg. They have lots of historical planes, tanks and a Concorde as well. It should be easy to reach this location from the airport in Frankfurt.

Have a nice one...

Jiro

DONB3397
02-23-2004, 02:54 PM
Thanks for sharing these pictures. What an experience.

But...umm...didn't they make the cockpit bars too wide?

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robotech
02-23-2004, 05:25 PM
Hey Fritz

I guess my memory was wrong on the Panzer museum thing. That museum is found in Munster
(at least i got the 1st letter right). Anyhoo here's the info from the game manual

Panzer Museum Munster
Hans-Kruger-StraBe 33
29633 Munster, Germany
phone +49 51 92 25 52

JG4_Bendwick
02-23-2004, 05:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DynamicBass:
Rivercube, nice pics and thanks for sharing them with us!!

I also have some pics from my visit to the South African war museum in Johannesburg.

I arrived as they were busy moving the 2 seater Me 262 nightfighter and the Fw 190 (I carnt remember the variant but it also has radar aerials on the wings and fuselage)

They stopped me after two photos and wouldn't let me take any more.

I got talking to them though and they told me that as someone who was realy interested that I could make an appointment to visit and take as many detailed photo's as I want and sit in the cocpits ect.(I have done this before)

They then opened the engine cover of one of the 262 engines for me and I must say it is in pristine condition! I was amazed to see that nearly every part has it's own werk nommer plate stuck on!

The question is though that should I get all these photo's would you be happy to put them on your website? The only condition would be that you acknowledge the S.A. war museum.

If you want I am happy to send the 2 pics that I mentioned earlier.

Cheers,

DynamicBass<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi DynamicBass,

we want pics, pics, pics! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
We have much web space and no problem with a link to the museum or other things.

S~

www.Jagdgeschwader4.de (http://www.Jagdgeschwader4.de)

[This message was edited by JG4_Bendwick on Mon February 23 2004 at 04:53 PM.]

GINNER_SK
02-23-2004, 06:30 PM
thank you. great great!!! only gunsight is not correct

DynamicBass
02-23-2004, 10:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG4_Bendwick:

Hi DynamicBass,

we want pics, pics, pics! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
We have much web space and no problem with a link to the museum or other things.

S~

http://www.Jagdgeschwader4.de

[This message was edited by JG4_Bendwick on Mon February 23 2004 at 04:53 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No problem in uploading the 2 pics I took in the meantime. I checked your site out, very nice!! But please help me a little as my German is rather poor. Where and how do I upload these pics???
Regards

Dynamicbass

JG4_Bendwick
02-24-2004, 05:35 AM
You can send the pics and the link to my email-adr.:

Master_Bendwick@gmx.de

and i do the rest for you.
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Franzen
02-24-2004, 06:46 AM
Thx for all the info guyz, I'll definitely clutter some websites with photos If you can't do it for your country, do it for IL-2
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

DynamicBass
02-24-2004, 08:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG4_Bendwick:
You can send the pics and the link to my email-adr.:

Master_Bendwick@gmx.de

and i do the rest for you.


Thanks Bendwick, I'll try to send them to you tonight.

Cheers,
Dynamicbass
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

JG4_Bendwick
03-01-2004, 09:29 AM
uploaded http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

rbstr44
03-01-2004, 10:44 PM
*bump* http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif