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GAU_8
01-18-2004, 01:11 PM
hopefully this works. there are way too many threads about sticks on the forums.

if you you have a question about a joystick/HOTAS, or its programming,
please leave it here.. someone will get back to you.


FOR SAITEK X-45 owners- many of you complain about the "cup" under the stick getting sticky, and twitchy. instead of using candle wax (rubs off eventually) or using WD-40 (will dry up, and get worse) or anything else. try this
UNDER ARM DEODORANT- you may laff buut try it. wont break down like other chemicals...well it does, bet gets even slicker.

big hands ? remove the "pinkie" trigger leaves a prebuilt "U" groove for pinkie to rest in.
PUSH TOWARDS, and UP. (toward the knuckle guard)
you wont break it....allthough you might think otherwise.. after you do it the first time, youll understand.

all joystick questions welcome here.

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GAU_8
01-18-2004, 01:11 PM
hopefully this works. there are way too many threads about sticks on the forums.

if you you have a question about a joystick/HOTAS, or its programming,
please leave it here.. someone will get back to you.


FOR SAITEK X-45 owners- many of you complain about the "cup" under the stick getting sticky, and twitchy. instead of using candle wax (rubs off eventually) or using WD-40 (will dry up, and get worse) or anything else. try this
UNDER ARM DEODORANT- you may laff buut try it. wont break down like other chemicals...well it does, bet gets even slicker.

big hands ? remove the "pinkie" trigger leaves a prebuilt "U" groove for pinkie to rest in.
PUSH TOWARDS, and UP. (toward the knuckle guard)
you wont break it....allthough you might think otherwise.. after you do it the first time, youll understand.

all joystick questions welcome here.

http://imageshack.us/files/Tugs%20Siggy.jpg

Mr.Airbrake
01-18-2004, 01:59 PM
Hello everyone,
I was wondering if anyone is using the
CH Products Flight Yoke and/or Rudder Pedals.
If so, have you encountered any problems
and what ini settings do use for both items?

Thanks in advance,

Brian

GAU_8
01-18-2004, 02:23 PM
i dont have them, but many people are using the rudder pedals. for the price. i believe they are proly the best in the biz for what they offer.(i have NEVER heard a complaint yet of CH products)
as for the yokes, im thinking thats more for FS2004 (private/commercial aircraft) or something of that nature, not relagated to combat sims.

many here use the MS force feedback stick, with the saitek X-45 (throttle base only), and CH pedals. and they are very happy with the set-up

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horseback
01-18-2004, 03:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mr.Airbrake:
Hello everyone,
I was wondering if anyone is using the
CH Products Flight Yoke and/or Rudder Pedals.
If so, have you encountered any problems
and what ini settings do use for both items?

Thanks in advance,

Brian<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have both, as well as the combatstick and Pro throttle. I found the yoke a little clumsy for my style (borderline frantic), but the stick/throttle combo is very good with the rudder pedals. The only issue I've had is that the pedals tend to slide around on the carpet, so it's a good idea to find a means of anchoring them before entering "combat."

I've been kicking around the idea of adding the yoke to the stick profile so I can make use of the extra axes for prop angle settings & trim, et c. My current profile in CH manager uses a lot of the 4-way hats for view adjustment of one sort or another (you can NEVER see enough in a fight), and one of my two POV hats as a trim button bank (elevator and rudder), because easy trim is extremely useful.

If you haven't already mastered the CH Control Manager program, I'd recommend printing out the Help files & How Tos, and putting it into a loose leaf binder(I don't know about you, but I find it easier to digest information printed on a page than on a screen) and then going through the procedure step by step until you get the hang of it, building a variety of profiles until you find one that best matches your needs and priorities.

Cheers

horseback

"Here's your new Mustangs, boys. You can learn to fly'em on the way to the target. Cheers!" -LTCOL Don Blakeslee, 4th FG CO, February 27th, 1944

Kampfmeister
01-18-2004, 07:18 PM
I'm interested in upgrading to a force feedback stick. I'd like to get a hold of the now discontinued MS FFB2 but as of yet I haven't had much luck in finding one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif What do you guys recommend as the next best thing in FFB?

GAU_8
01-18-2004, 07:30 PM
just a bump.

someone will get to you soon http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Cajun76
01-18-2004, 07:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kampfmeister:
I'm interested in upgrading to a force feedback stick. I'd like to get a hold of the now discontinued MS FFB2 but as of yet I haven't had much luck in finding one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif What do you guys recommend as the next best thing in FFB?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is not a recommendation, as I don't have it, but just for awareness sake. I currently fly FB with a Thrustmaster Top Gun Afterburner. Good stick for FB, imo. It dosen't have FFB, but a new version does. Try to find some reviews, you may like it.

Good hunting,
Cajun76

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
-Aristotle

Meanwhile, in the 20th century:

BOOM! Yeah, Alright you primitive screwheads, listen up. See this? This is my T-Bolt!! It's has 8 .50cals and 2000lbs+ worth of bombs and rockets. Republic's top of the line. You can find this in the Kick A$$ department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Farmingdale, Long Island and Evansville, Indiana. Retails for about $82,997.95. It's got a turbo-supercharger, all metal control surfaces with blunt nosed ailerons, and a hair trigger. That's right, shop smart, shop Republic. YOU GOT THAT!? Now I swear, the next one of you primates, E-ven TOUCHES me..... - Anonymous http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

GAU_8
01-19-2004, 02:26 AM
well if you cant find that, why not try a HOTAS set-up. they dont take up THAT much desk space.

instead of settling for just a stick, you can have the trottle quadrant as well. that way your not nearly on the keyboard as much. but as far as FF is concerned, i dont know of any that are on a HOTAS,..but i can be wrong.

a decent hotas can br picked up NEW for under $80 (depending where you live)

.THRUSTMASTER COUGAR- modeled after the F-16 flight control- each unit weighs 8 lbs each. all metal construct. bout $200-$300. (for the actual unit) UP to another grand for upgrades.

.CH PRODUCTS- each unit costs about $100 independantly(stick, throttle, rudder) the best in the biz i believe for build quality. ive never heard a complaint yet... but i could be wrong

SAITEK x-45- a great plac to start with a full function HOTAS..for $80. not bad. some people love the looks, some dont. has rudder action, but is located underneath the throttle grip.

hope that helps.

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Cajun76
01-19-2004, 04:11 AM
Oh, sorry I wasn't clear. The TM Top Gun is a HOTAS, and so is the new, FFB model. It's not on the same level as the Cougar, or X45, but good for someone wanting a HOTAS. You can keep the throttle attached to the stick, or detach them (prefeable, imo). Also has the option of twist stick for rudder or a rudder rocker on the throttle. (prefered, imo) If this is not where you were wanting to go with this thread, GAU_8, I'll delete my posts, no problem.

Good hunting,
Cajun76

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
-Aristotle

Meanwhile, in the 20th century:

BOOM! Yeah, Alright you primitive screwheads, listen up. See this? This is my T-Bolt!! It's has 8 .50cals and 2000lbs+ worth of bombs and rockets. Republic's top of the line. You can find this in the Kick A$$ department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Farmingdale, Long Island and Evansville, Indiana. Retails for about $82,997.95. It's got a turbo-supercharger, all metal control surfaces with blunt nosed ailerons, and a hair trigger. That's right, shop smart, shop Republic. YOU GOT THAT!? Now I swear, the next one of you primates, E-ven TOUCHES me..... - Anonymous http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

KPAX_2003
01-19-2004, 11:00 AM
Hello,

For CH products users, there is a new site :

http://www.ch-hangar.com

GAU_8
01-19-2004, 06:24 PM
lazy bump

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kyrule2
01-20-2004, 01:19 AM
My MSFF2 finally bit the dust after abusing the hell out of it. Tried Logitech Wingman Force and hated it. Smooth handle was slipperery and I couldn't get it to center properly.

Took that back and got Saitek Cyborg Evo. I really like this stick, shame its not force feedback. The one thing I can't figure out is what the hell they were smoking when they put the throttle down at the bottom of the base. The positioning is awful, but the rest of the stick is great so it's likely a keeper. I wanted to go X45 and money wasn't really the issue, I just can't see myself getting used to not having a twist throttle and not having both hands firmly on the joystick.

Anyway, just wanted to say I am very pleased with Saitek Cyborg Evo (except for the throttle).

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"Ice Warriors" by Nicolas Trudgian

Kiwiflyer
01-20-2004, 02:36 AM
I too purshased CH , combatstick, throttle and pedals, i think that they are the best, great contruction and good locattion of buttons. My question is , can anyone that has this setup tell me how to programe teamspeak or battlecom to the 'pinky' button on the combatstick.

cheers kiwiflyer

x6BL_Brando
01-20-2004, 03:25 AM
Kiwi,

If you're using the CH Control Manager then you can program any button to anything you like.

I use the pinky as the shift button, and Hat#2&gt;down&lt; as my RW transmit button

foxcub16
01-20-2004, 04:15 AM
hi iam using the original ms ffback joy stick and have not had any probs with it , i have had it for 3 years didnt like the 2nd version as i think the build quality was very poor

GAU_8
01-20-2004, 12:17 PM
bump

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progchallngd
01-20-2004, 12:38 PM
How do I use the ministick on the CH Pro Throttle as a mouse to enable me to look around the cockpit? For some reason, I can't get it programmed properly to be recognized as a virtual mouse.

Chuck_Older
01-20-2004, 05:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GAU_8:



FOR SAITEK X-45 owners- many of you complain about the "cup" under the stick getting sticky, and twitchy. instead of using candle wax (rubs off eventually) or using WD-40 (will dry up, and get worse) or anything else. try this
UNDER ARM DEODORANT- you may laff buut try it. wont break down like other chemicals...well it does, bet gets even slicker.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I haven't tried that, but when this happened to my X45, I tried a little bit of Pledge furniture cleaner on a paper towel. I forget the exact style of Pledge, but it's the one with the extra dust collecting, anti-static formula. Leaves the cup nice and slick for a long time, and it really picks up a lot of dust and crud. Worked great for me, give it a shot.

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westcoastphil
01-20-2004, 07:50 PM
Just an FYI on CH pro pedals. I recently noticed that I have had weird stalls happen and just general rough handling of aircraft (especially online at greatergreen) so I investigated my calibration and setup for my pro pedals. I noticed that there would be an intermittent interruption of signal, or bounciness when I would push in the right rudder pedal. Well I went ahead and email CH tech support and here's the response I got (btw, my system uses SiS USB chipset):

Sir,
We have heard of, and even tested on, the SiS chipset and the news is not good. The SiS chipset has a long and troubled past with Windows and is usually referred to as a "problem chipset"
http://www.usbman.com/Guides/SiS%20USB%20Tips%20and%20Tricks.htm&gt;http://www.usbman.com/Guides/SiS%20USB%20Tips%20and%20Tricks.htm
. We recommend the use of high quality chipsets (like Intel, NEC, Lucent,
and Opti) as our devices like to use the full five mA of power they are due
according to the USB 1.1 standards. They also like to communicate with
your PC in a consistent manner, SiS just does not let them.


So for those who have a SiS based chipset, you may want to look into the URL I posted for some work arounds. Hope this helps.

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westcoastphil
01-20-2004, 07:53 PM
Woops...the url should be:

http://www.usbman.com/Guides/SiS%20USB%20Tips%20and%20Tricks.htm

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XyZspineZyX
01-20-2004, 08:20 PM
This thread is an excellent idea! Thanks GAU_8!

Although a happy X-45 owner, I 'Googled" for the Thrustmaster Afterburner HOTAS. Here is the link:

http://us.thrustmaster.com/products/lookproduct.php3?skin=Joysticks&productid=71

For those who have considered a HOTAS but don't want to give up your ForceFeedback, this may be the stick for you. And...it offers two options for rudder control, a rocker and a twist stick. If you can't find a MSFFB, this could be your solution.

Hope this helps.



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Kampfmeister
01-20-2004, 09:47 PM
Thanks for all the information and input guys. Thanks Beebop 54 for the Thrustmaster site. If I can't manage to get my hands on a MS FFB2 stick then this one looks like the next best thing.

GAU_8
01-20-2004, 11:01 PM
i know this is very trivial but, something i encountered..hopefully ONE person can use this help

if you BUILD YOUR OWN COMPUTER. and you cant get your controller to work (USB type)..and tried everything else.

Make sure you enable "extra/external USB" or whatever the line is in your BIOS!

drove me crazy as to why, none of my USB ports worked..lol...

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curahee.
01-21-2004, 04:54 AM
I've just bought the x45 but unfortunately I've just broken my wrist (insert you own joke it will b e funnier than what actually happened). Anyway I was wondering if I anyones setup a profile for it for the keys. I got il2-fb and the x45 for christmas and it has had little use due to my hand being in a cast.

Everyones help will be most appreciated as usual as I can't wait to take to the air once more

GAU_8
01-21-2004, 05:13 PM
bump

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GAU_8
01-22-2004, 04:27 AM
yup

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GAU_8
01-23-2004, 02:23 PM
bump

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Bearcat99
01-23-2004, 02:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kampfmeister:
I'm interested in upgrading to a force feedback stick. I'd like to get a hold of the now discontinued MS FFB2 but as of yet I haven't had much luck in finding one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif What do you guys recommend as the next best thing in FFB?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would highly recommend the Saitek FFB stick...and when you get some extra cash get the X45 anyway. FB supports multiple stick. I use my MSFFB2 with the X45. I only use the byttons on my X45 so it is off to the front of my throttle quad. My MS stick is the one for flying and weps. I imagine this setup would work with any combination of FFB stick and FB.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>prochallngd wrote:

How do I use the ministick on the CH Pro Throttle as a mouse to enable me to look around the cockpit? For some reason, I can't get it programmed properly to be recognized as a virtual mouse. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Go to the profile editor and go to the mouse button section. Look on the upper right hand corner of the little box for mouse controller and click it. You will see the option for setting it up as a 4 way hat, an 8 way hat or a mouse. Select mouse. Then you will see a slider on the box...this is for setting the sensitivity of the pan. If you use multiple modes make sure you have it set that way in all modes otherwise when you switch it will go bavk to the default.



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[This message was edited by Bearcat99 on Fri January 23 2004 at 01:58 PM.]

Kampfmeister
01-23-2004, 03:01 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bearcat99:

I would highly recommend the Saitek FFB stick...and when you get some extra cash get the X45 anyway. FB supports multiple stick. I use my MSFFB2 with the X45. I only use the byttons on my X45 so it is off to the front of my throttle quad. My MS stick is the one for flying and weps. I imagine this setup would work with any combination of FFB stick and FB.

Thanks Bearcat99. Your input is always welcome http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I was originally thinking about the Saitek FFB when I could no longer get a hold of the Microsoft stick, but I wasn't sure if anybody had any experience with it. I guess I will look into both the Saitek and Thrustmaster for now. I won't be getting an X45 though. I've decided to use the Nostromo game pad in place of the X45 throttle arrangement like so many of you have done.

Cajun76
01-23-2004, 07:30 PM
bump (answered a question "What is a HOTAS") consoldating with this good resource.)

A HOTAS is a Hands ON Throttle And Stick. It usually has a separate throttle from the joystick. The system also usually has multiple axes, and you can set these in HOTAS setup. For example, you can set the throttle to be your propeller pitch adjustment, instead of how fast you want to go.

Edit: HOTAS are availible in a wide price range as well as features. Click the links:

Thrustmaster (http://us.thrustmaster.com/products/bytype.php3?skin=Joysticks&selector=9) Top Gun Afterburner (one model has force feedback)
Saitek (http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/joysticks.htm) X45
Thrustmaster (http://us.thrustmaster.com/products/bytype.php3?skin=Joysticks&selector=9) Cougar
CH Products (http://www.chproducts.com/retail/usb_home.html) Stick and throttles

The Top Gun is at the lower end of the scale. ~$40-$50 USD
The Saitek is about the middle. Reconditioned ones for as low as ~$35 USD New ones a bit more.
The Ch Products you can mix and match for a wide price range and features. Might need rudder pedals.
The Cougar is near the top, but needs expensive modifications to the most out of it, as well as rudder pedals. Starts new around ~$250-$300 USD

Good hunting,
Cajun76

[This message was edited by Cajun76 on Fri January 23 2004 at 07:10 PM.]

GAU_8
01-25-2004, 01:34 AM
something i just found out..

X-45 hotas with programmed TEAMSPEAK key on XP os will not work.

either assign a key on the keyboard, or use voice activation.

win 98, with x-45 button programed for TS DOES work though..just not on XP

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GAU-8
02-24-2004, 11:26 AM
needs another bump.... apparently..