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249th_Harrier
07-08-2004, 08:48 PM
I have heard wildly contradictory stories about this event, which makes me curious about what really happened. I see there is a new book about it:

http://www.hikokiwarplanes.com/bodenplatte.htm

Has anyone read this book? Is there a reliable source of info on the web somewhere? Thanks!

249th_Harrier
07-08-2004, 08:48 PM
I have heard wildly contradictory stories about this event, which makes me curious about what really happened. I see there is a new book about it:

http://www.hikokiwarplanes.com/bodenplatte.htm

Has anyone read this book? Is there a reliable source of info on the web somewhere? Thanks!

Mad_Moses
07-08-2004, 09:27 PM
Along with ground offensive in the Ardennes it just hastened the end of the war for Germany. It was a last ditched effort to give the ground forces in the "bulge" some more time.

Operation Bodenplatte was effective in destroying many aircraft on the ground but this meant absolutely nothing to the Allies. They could be replaced in days but the pilots lost by the O.K.L. could never be replaced.

Here is a neat little link on about airfield Y-29 that was attacked. http://352ndfg.com/Home/Y-29/main.htm

I read a story about this particular event years ago. 12 Mustangs of the 352nd took off while under Jabo attack from nearly 30 German fighters and shot down 20 + with no losses. The ground crews watched and documented each kill. The first kill came even before the first Mustang had his wheels retracted.

Mad Moses

pcisbest
07-09-2004, 03:01 AM
Yeah, I have heard about this incident as well, as I am sure anyone interested in WWII air combat has. That "first Mustang" belonged to ace John C. Meyer if I remember correctly, he shot a 109 coming head on to him before he had wheels retracted fully, then proceeded to shoot down 3 more during the fight.

JRJacobs
07-09-2004, 05:45 AM
i currently have the virtual movie "The Legend of Y-29" in production. You can download the skins i made for it [four to a pack] at IL2skins.com

JG11 attacked Asch [NW of Liege] with 65 FW-190's and Me-109's and lost 40 of them

Lt.Col John C. Meyer flying P-51d HO-M "Petie 3rd" shot down 2 FW-190's, one wjile taking off;

However Three 487th pilots (Lt. Alden P. Rigby P-51d HO-R "Eleen & Jerry" , Capt. Sanford Moats P-51d HO-K "Kay III" , and Capt. William Whisner P-51d HO-W "Moonbeam McSwine" ) shot down Four planes each in the encounter.

[from the website]
65 FW190's and Me109's of the three gruppen of JG11 took off from their respective bases just before 8:30am and formed up over Aschaffenburg, Joining with two Ju188 pathfinders and headed for Asch. When the 11th Jagdgeschwader reached Y-29 they found 8 Thunderbolts of the 390th Fighter Squad, 366 Fighter Group circling the field and 12 Mustangs of the 487th Fighter Squad, 352nd Fighter Group just taking off.

The 390th claimed 7 enemy aircraft in this attack taking a loss of only one. 11 pilots of the 487th claimed 23 victories while sustaining no losses

Credited victories were the 487th (23), 390th (7), 391st (2), and ground gunners (7) along with at least one aircraft destroyed by friendly flak in route. None of JG11's flight leaders returned from this mission.

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