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mike_espo
03-05-2004, 12:27 PM
I can't believe it. The AEP version is horrible. I would venture to say its as bad as IL2! Every source states the FW 190 was a superior aircraft. The AEP version frankly stinks. It overheats too easy, any slight elevator movement and it stalls. It can't climb worth a darn. VS the spitfire V which The FW was historically superior in every catagory except turning cirle, blows it away. Don't you get accurate source data in Russia? I have played every version of this sim and never has a historic Fw 190A appeared. Why??

mike_espo
03-05-2004, 12:27 PM
I can't believe it. The AEP version is horrible. I would venture to say its as bad as IL2! Every source states the FW 190 was a superior aircraft. The AEP version frankly stinks. It overheats too easy, any slight elevator movement and it stalls. It can't climb worth a darn. VS the spitfire V which The FW was historically superior in every catagory except turning cirle, blows it away. Don't you get accurate source data in Russia? I have played every version of this sim and never has a historic Fw 190A appeared. Why??

VW-IceFire
03-05-2004, 12:37 PM
Ok...well unless something drastically changed in AEP from 1.22 the A-4 and the A-5 are deadly machines. I've played quite a few co-ops with these planes...any slight advantage in altitude or speed over your opponent and they are either dead or you are gone before they can catch you.

Remember that the A-4 we have is actually an underrated Eastern Front version (Luftwaffe command didn't feel that the A-4 would have trouble against the VVS - all the higher rated ones were slated for combat against the Spitfire V).

Which Spitfire V did you fight against BTW? The Spitfire V F? The A-4 is likely superior to that Spitfire and probably climbs better than it does in some areas of altitude plus the A-4 is probably better than the V LF at high altitude. Most books just say that the A-3/4 was better than the Spitfire V except in turn...except that they never give specific details on at what altitudes. Usually once you look at numbers a more clear picture becomes available and you see that the A-4 may indeed be superior, even an Eastern front one...just not in all areas.

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blabla0001
03-05-2004, 12:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mike_espo:
Why??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because the radiator cowl flap is not automatic anymore.
You actually have to use the "R" key now.

FW190fan
03-05-2004, 12:48 PM
Dear Oleg:

I beg you.

Please do not listen this type of whining or consider it indicative of everyone who loves to fly the 190.

I love my Focke-Wulfs and love them more as even more planes are added. The Ta-152 is a dream come true for many of us.

There has been some discussion that the FW190A-4 may climb a little slow in relation to some planes but I have not had a chance to check this myself nor have I seen anyone else prove this conclusevely.

The numbers may not be absolutely perfect but I feel these are by far the most accurate FW190s that have ever been modeled in any sim and I've been flying them since the original Il/2 program came out.

I'm enjoying them immensely http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Thank You!

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Oleg_Maddox
03-05-2004, 12:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mike_espo:
I can't believe it. The AEP version is horrible. I would venture to say its as bad as IL2! Every source states the FW 190 was a superior aircraft. The AEP version frankly stinks. It overheats too easy, any slight elevator movement and it stalls. It can't climb worth a darn. VS the spitfire V which The FW was historically superior in every catagory except turning cirle, blows it away. Don't you get accurate source data in Russia? I have played every version of this sim and never has a historic Fw 190A appeared. Why??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you need to learn something. It was superior to some, but not to all Spitfies V.
I think you need to learn even more.

Oleg_Maddox
03-05-2004, 12:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Ok...well unless something drastically changed in AEP from 1.22 the A-4 and the A-5 are deadly machines. I've played quite a few co-ops with these planes...any slight advantage in altitude or speed over your opponent and they are either dead or you are gone before they can catch you.

Remember that the A-4 we have is actually an underrated Eastern Front version (Luftwaffe command didn't feel that the A-4 would have trouble against the VVS - all the higher rated ones were slated for combat against the Spitfire V).

Which Spitfire V did you fight against BTW? The Spitfire V F? The A-4 is likely superior to that Spitfire and probably climbs better than it does in some areas of altitude plus the A-4 is probably better than the V LF at high altitude. Most books just say that the A-3/4 was better than the Spitfire V except in turn...except that they never give specific details on at what altitudes. Usually once you look at numbers a more clear picture becomes available and you see that the A-4 may indeed be superior, even an Eastern front one...just not in all areas.

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RCAF 412 Falcon Squadron - "Swift to Avenge"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Except changes to historically correct manual control of cowl flaps and complex damage model in performace is all from 1.22

This pazan above is something I think that try to tell me abount my faviorite design of aircraft of WWII that I hate it...http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oleg_Maddox
03-05-2004, 01:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mike_espo:
Why??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because the radiator cowl flap is not automatic anymore.
You actually have to use the "R" key now.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif thank you.

Oleg_Maddox
03-05-2004, 01:01 PM
Lets wait what he will say about Italian aircraft. It seems he is from Italy.
Also interesting where he downloaded it... if he is from Italy

[This message was edited by Oleg_Maddox on Fri March 05 2004 at 12:16 PM.]

JG26Red
03-05-2004, 01:05 PM
i have always when in a DF opened up my radiator to full open... so i shouldnt have a issue with overheats... eventhou i do find the TA to be a hot runner... but i probably wont be in that U2 spy plane that much... i would prefer a C or maybe a later more heavily armed D series say the D11?

[This message was edited by JG26Red on Fri March 05 2004 at 12:15 PM.]

faustnik
03-05-2004, 01:19 PM
I hate statements like the opener of this thread. They take away from legitimate questions.


Oleg,

I wish you wouldn't even respond to this stuff. I sure would like to have moderatot power to delete these threads ASAP. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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Oleg_Maddox
03-05-2004, 01:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
I hate statements like the opener of this thread. They take away from legitimate questions.


Oleg,

I wish you wouldn't even respond to this stuff. I sure would like to have moderatot power to delete these threads ASAP. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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Simply this user think that FW should be betrer all because it is his favorite aircrat http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Usual story. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Recon_609IAP
03-05-2004, 01:32 PM
I like FW190 - I had good success against both spitfires and p38's.

I flew it very fast though - had to LOL.

Seems a bit bouncy though - that is all I see - maybe it was bouncy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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faustnik
03-05-2004, 01:37 PM
But it's not that simple Oleg. I have a legitimate question about climb rates in the 190A4, but, threads like this make me not even want to ask it. Baseless whining like this benefits nobody, it just brings down all of us.
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I'm glad you don't let it get to you though. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[This message was edited by faustnik on Fri March 05 2004 at 12:46 PM.]

robban75
03-05-2004, 01:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FW190fan:

There has been some discussion that the FW190A-4 may climb a little slow in relation to some planes but I have not had a chance to check this myself nor have I seen anyone else prove this conclusevely.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Check this out FW190fan! Hope you like it! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://members.chello.se/unni/chart.html

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JG26Red
03-05-2004, 01:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FW190fan:

There has been some discussion that the FW190A-4 may climb a little slow in relation to some planes but I have not had a chance to check this myself nor have I seen anyone else prove this conclusevely.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Check this out FW190fan! Hope you like it! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://members.chello.se/unni/chart.html

http://members.chello.se/unni/D-9.JPG

When it comes to aircombat, I'd rather be lucky than good any day!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hey robban, what was the other D series plane you wanted? i was looking at some info and find the D11 most interesting...

mike_espo
03-05-2004, 01:53 PM
I am sorry if this post upset anybody especially Oleg. I have great respect for you. This sim is great. This post is very mild compared to some Ive saw. Anyway. I apologise to Oleg. Sorry.

WUAF_Closter
03-05-2004, 02:09 PM
Well advised... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Thanx alot Oleg and Team... Greatest sim, (for me greatest game), and this expansion pack pushes even farther its qualities... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Continue with the great work, and do not mind the Trolls.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

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Zen--
03-05-2004, 02:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FW190fan:
Dear Oleg:

I beg you.

Please do not listen this type of whining or consider it indicative of everyone who loves to fly the 190.

I love my Focke-Wulfs and love them more as even more planes are added. The Ta-152 is a dream come true for many of us.

There has been some discussion that the FW190A-4 may climb a little slow in relation to some planes but I have not had a chance to check this myself nor have I seen anyone else prove this conclusevely.

The numbers may not be absolutely perfect but I feel these are by far the most accurate FW190s that have ever been modeled in any sim and I've been flying them since the original Il/2 program came out.

I'm enjoying them immensely http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Thank You!

http://people.aero.und.edu/~choma/lrg0645.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Gotta agree, thanks for the Ta152 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

We're pretty far from the modelling in IL2 original FW190's these days. I'd say on the whole I am more than a happy camper and have no major complaints.

-Zen-

robban75
03-05-2004, 02:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG26Red:
hey robban, what was the other D series plane you wanted? i was looking at some info and find the D11 most interesting...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hi Red! All the later D's are very interesting, but I think that the D-13 is the favourite. It would be great to have it implemented. But Oleg said that it is hard to find good blue prints of it. There's no time to make it anyways. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

The D-11 has an awesome arament though! An A-9 with high alt capability! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://members.chello.se/unni/D-9.JPG

When it comes to aircombat, I'd rather be lucky than good any day!

JG26Red
03-05-2004, 02:16 PM
The D-11 has an awesome arament though! An A-9 with high alt capability! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


YEP!!! iam not a good shot, so the A9 with those wing cannons really help with my poor shooting, normally makes my shots, when i do hit count.

dux-1
03-05-2004, 02:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
Lets wait what he will say about Italian aircraft. It seems he is from Italy.
Also interesting where he downloaded it... if he is from Italy

[This message was edited by Oleg_Maddox on Fri March 05 2004 at 12:16 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oleg, I'm from Italy too.. I do not think is appropriate to make this kind of comments.. Sorry

269GA-Maxmars
03-05-2004, 02:46 PM
FWIW, I know that dux-1 is from Italy and lives in the USA, maybe Mike Espo is in the USA too? I think AEP is already out, there.

Or perhaps he's american with italian heritage? I never saw his name in the italian il2 community forums.

I think you're working too much, Oleg. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Sagittario
03-05-2004, 03:51 PM
I'm italian and I bought both Il-2 and Il-2 FB from a store, there is something wrong here? I'm going to buy also AEP, even if I have a DSL connection...
Now I feel really disappointed.
Sorry

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crazyivan1970
03-05-2004, 04:06 PM
Please try not to slide into this "offended nation" direction... It just plain silly. why are you trying to find context when there isn`t one...jeez.

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BuzzU
03-05-2004, 04:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sagittario:
I'm italian and I bought both Il-2 and Il-2 FB from a store, there is something wrong here? I'm going to buy also AEP, even if I have a DSL connection...
Now I feel really disappointed.
Sorry

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The point is if Mike is living in Italy, he couldn't have AEP legally.


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clint-ruin
03-05-2004, 04:11 PM
OLEG WHY DO YOU HATE ITALIANS SO MUCH??!!?? ;&gt;

Nothing in these forums surprises me anymore.

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Abraxa
03-05-2004, 04:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:

Also interesting where he downloaded it... if he is from Italy

[This message was edited by Oleg_Maddox on Fri March 05 2004 at 12:16 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe he downloaded it from a Russian hacking server? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
C'mon let's not take it too seriously http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Pesaola
03-05-2004, 04:20 PM
hi, i'm italian, i live in italy and unfortunatly i've not AEP.

italians are strange people, we want all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

if oleg hear only us, now there where only italian planes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

i don't think that oleg hate italian people!!!

(ok, now you can put the mc205 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ).

piracy it's in all part of world!!

and.....little question.
who is the real piracy\robber???

the man's that download the file (in this case all nn us people), or the man's that share the files?????

i buy (but until 18 march i cann'ot have)the AEP only because it is a good game!!!

Sagittario
03-05-2004, 04:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
The point is if Mike is living in Italy, he couldn't have AEP legally.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Excuse me, misunderstanding...

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SUPERAEREO
03-05-2004, 04:45 PM
Guys and girls,

Mike Espo might well be Italian but I have never seen him on the Italian forum, so I think he might well live elsewhere.

He was maybe a tad impulsive in his posting, but he then apologised, so I guess it's OK in the end.

I don't believe for a second that Oleg meant any disrespect to us Italians: he was simply wondering how could anyone outside the States have got hold of AEP legally, which is after all a fair question.

I don't think anyone should take offence: it's all too easy to have misunderstandings in English when it's not our first language.

The fact that people get so heated about this sim is after all a reflection on its excellence: only great works produce such passions.

Salute you all.

S!

VW-IceFire
03-05-2004, 04:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sagittario:
I'm italian and I bought both Il-2 and Il-2 FB from a store, there is something wrong here? I'm going to buy also AEP, even if I have a DSL connection...
Now I feel really disappointed.
Sorry

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The point is if Mike is living in Italy, he couldn't have AEP legally.


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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks for pointing that out. I was just about to do the same thing.

Nobody in Europe should technically have it. Heck I'm in Canada and don't have it yet although thats more to do with a really busy schedule. That will change http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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JimRockford
03-05-2004, 04:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
I hate statements like the opener of this thread. They take away from legitimate questions.


Oleg,

I wish you wouldn't even respond to this stuff. I sure would like to have moderatot power to delete these threads ASAP. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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Simply this user think that FW should be betrer all because it is his favorite aircrat http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Usual story. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think it's cool that Oleg is giving many replies to all types of posts. It makes him seem like 'one of the guys', and conveys that he really cares. Makes me happier playing IL2-FB (and soon to get AEP). I think game developers all over should look to Oleg as an example of how to present themselves to their public.

mike_espo
03-05-2004, 04:54 PM
My God, why all the comotion over my post. There have been post 100 times worse than mine. I already apologized for it. Forget it. I live in the U.S. What is the problem????????

plumps_
03-05-2004, 04:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
I hate statements like the opener of this thread. They take away from legitimate questions.


Oleg,

I wish you wouldn't even respond to this stuff. I sure would like to have moderatot power to delete these threads ASAP. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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_http://www.acompletewasteofspace.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=25_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Simply this user think that FW should be betrer all because it is his favorite aircrat http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Usual story. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or maybe he fell victim to a little oversight on the programmers' side?

If the screen still says "Auto/Closed" but the radiator is in fact closed all the time then this is a bug. The written message needs to be adapted to the changed settings. If this is hasn't been done yet (*) then maybe you can fix it in the upcoming patch?

You can't reproach anything to a person if all he does is believe what you have written onto his screen.

(*) I would send this as a bug report if I had AEP already, but I'm only one of those ******ed Europeans. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Forgive me if the message was changed already, I was reading about "Auto/Closed" in some posts.

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ZG77_Nagual
03-05-2004, 05:00 PM
HI. I do think we need more Italian planes - they are quite in line with one of FB's most fun features - bringing planes that are not so well known to the fore. (at least for us in the USA) And they are some of the very best fighters of the war.

As for the 190 - I've been flying the a4 almost exlusively now for a month or so against la7s, yak3s, p39s, p51s etc. (The A5 has been my fav since IL2 - for online fighting)on and offline. Unfortunately I do not have aep yet but I understand there is no real change to the flight models for these planes - other than damage.
Basically - the a4 rocks - it is an absolutely outstanding little dogfighter if you if manage it right. I'm sure the clipped spits are fantastic planes but If I'm able to regularly trounce reasonably well-flown la7s and yak3s and p51s online in the a4 it's hard for me to believe whe won't do reasonably well against any of her contemporaries. (it's true I do get shot down sometimes - but not so much that its bothersome http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

269GA-Veltro
03-05-2004, 05:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mike_espo:
My God, why all the comotion over my post. There have been post 100 times worse than mine. I already apologized for it. Forget it. I live in the U.S. What is the problem????????<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ciao Mike, non ti preoccupare. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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mike_espo
03-05-2004, 05:08 PM
Grazie Veltro. mi dispiace molto

kamakaze75
03-05-2004, 05:40 PM
just need to calm down a ltle nex time b4 comin in here and basically putting down the game

FW190fan
03-05-2004, 07:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mike_espo:
I am sorry if this post upset anybody especially Oleg. I have great respect for you. This sim is great. This post is very mild compared to some Ive saw. Anyway. I apologise to Oleg. Sorry.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Good to see you post this.

We all say things we regret, believe me I should know http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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FW190fan
03-05-2004, 07:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:

Check this out FW190fan! Hope you like it! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://members.chello.se/unni/chart.html

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Thanks robban75.

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WWMaxGunz
03-05-2004, 08:00 PM
Is it illegal to order from another country?
When IL2 first came out there were people here who bought from Britain because of the delay to the US.
Was that illegal?

I don't think the thread was a waste. I learned that the FW radiators must be managed manually. It saves me trouble later. It is more historic. Thank you!


Neal

Mc_Wolf
03-05-2004, 08:43 PM
Test result:

1942 Fw190A4 vs Spitfire VB
ACE 16 vs 16
Total: 10 turns
Score: 0 : 10
Fw190A4 have not any chance to win. It's real in history in 1942???? I thinks RAF pilot is good in that time, but I remember from what I read, FW190A4 is much more powerful than Spitfire in that time.

WWMaxGunz
03-05-2004, 08:58 PM
You are comparing AI tactics abilities to the same, not comparing the planes at all! AI does not do complex energy fighting. AI is much better with turn fighting.


Neal

Mc_Wolf
03-05-2004, 09:00 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gifWhen I replace Fw190A4 with Bf109G2, result is 10:0 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/354.gif

faustnik
03-05-2004, 10:20 PM
McWolf,

In AI vs. AI fights the better turner almost always wins, it's the way it is scripted. Online with humans it's frequently the opposite.

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Mc_Wolf
03-06-2004, 03:17 AM
Yes I know. Turn is rule.
But on line, There are fewer and fewer ones fly FW190A. That's truth. I take my most time to fly FW190A online and offline, so there is not a rookie question....

Capt_Harlock
03-13-2004, 11:20 AM
Oleg, i respect you a lot, but this time i think you went quite overboard.
There are tons of ways for an european to own AEP buying it in a titally legit way.
I am italian and live in italy, but my father is an airline pilot, he simply got it for me in the US.
I do understand that piracy can be a problem in europe, i don't condone it, but in an online community is quite understandable people don't like to see their american fellow pilots to be able to fly with AEP while they're still waiting for their copy.
Maybe Ubi should be blamed too, with their senseless politics of distributing a game born in europe in the US first, it's quite obvious that people that have to wait without a realistic reason can fall into temptation.

blabla0001
03-13-2004, 11:24 AM
"I do understand that piracy can be a problem in europe"

Eh, it's a global problem mate.

Capt_Harlock
03-13-2004, 11:28 AM
Oh i know, but it's europe we're talking about now, since euros have to wait while the yanks can fly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

VO101__Kurfurst
03-13-2004, 11:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mike_espo:
any slight elevator movement and it stalls. It can't climb worth a darn.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you should understand the strenghts of this plane, and what was the exact reason it was so much feared by the Brits... some hints : 1, It was new, nasty, and UNKNOWN - that`s how legends born
2, Multi-plane combat is different than single dogfights we have in Il-2

But your point about its slight elevator movements until stall... this is also true for *some* other planes of the war... but in AEP, it is not to be modelled for all planes. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

WWMaxGunz
03-13-2004, 11:56 AM
Yes, it is well known in some circles that the LW planes are all PORKED.

The Allieds have a conspiracy and meet weekly in an old abandoned hangar to plot further disrespect and damage on the LW planes to cover up the true superiority of German technology over all the world.

They are fearful of it. They also have ID cards and special hats with different Allied plane noses on the fronts over the bills that light up and say "The FW's are PORKED!" and "The 108's are INEFFECTIVE" when they nod and laugh about their success.

They even have snacks and drinks and then show movies of tracks where German planes can't get kills properly with 2 hits at most downing any fighter while with a single 30 cal hit the 190's are reduced to 300kph immediately... and they laugh and laugh and laugh.

Be Sure.

Then get yourself a good head shrink, you need one! Till then, whisper and recruit where possible, it is yourselves against them and it's not a game but really real. Boo!


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TX-EcoDragon
03-13-2004, 05:14 PM
I just wanted to say that I for oen think the A5 is excellent! Its still a deadly combat machine, that handles as one might expect from readings, In my eyes it has been enhanced in the recent updates/expansion to incorporate a more complex flight envelope which has made my and my team's aerobatic use of the 190 A5 all the more fun, most specifically the FM now allows outside snap rolls as well as inverted flat spins with fairly realistic behaviour in each!

I'm LOVING it!

And so are the spectators!

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blabla0001
03-13-2004, 05:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt_Harlock:
Oh i know, but it's europe we're talking about now, since euros have to wait while the yanks can fly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You mean the rest of the world will have to wait.
There are more continents on this ball of dirt then Europe and the USA.

FW190fan
03-14-2004, 11:14 AM
Wow EcoDragon, those screenshots are AWESOME.

I love the FW190A-5 as well http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Luftcaca
03-14-2004, 11:39 AM
"1942 Fw190A4 vs Spitfire VB
ACE 16 vs 16
Total: 10 turns
Score: 0 : 10"

hmmmm, very interesting
I thought the Fw had the upper hand over the VB so the Brits had the rush the production of the Mark IX...

but its been said already, you cannot rely on the AI to test the overall performances of a plane, even aces

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WWMaxGunz
03-14-2004, 12:56 PM
Having the upper hand does not mean must outperform in all regimens of climb. The inference does not hold. It's been shown about the climbs.

Where it matters as long as the speed of combat can be kept high by the LW pilot, the FW will outclimb the Spit. At speed the FW will do everything better but turning in the horizontal. That is having the upper hand provided you can keep it by not blowing it and getting slowed down. A good Spit pilot will work to slow you down and sucker you in to his game and then you will lose badly. The 1942 LW pilots tended to be better than that.


Neal

TX-EcoDragon
03-14-2004, 11:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FW190fan:
Wow EcoDragon, those screenshots are AWESOME.

I love the FW190A-5 as well http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://people.aero.und.edu/~choma/lrg0645.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Many more at http://www.vhvt.com/



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LuckyBoy1
03-15-2004, 01:15 AM
It's subject lines like this that make me wish I wasn't the same species as the character who posted it! I don't have a problem with your not liking this or that, just be civil about it! If you've got like, some scientific data to back all this up, come with it in your original post and leave the disrespect in the gutter where it belongs and you obviously live!

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Fehler
03-15-2004, 04:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
...They also have ID cards and special hats with different Allied plane noses on the fronts over the bills that light up and say "The FW's are PORKED!" and "The 108's are INEFFECTIVE" when they nod and laugh about their success...

...Till then, whisper and recruit where possible, it is yourselves against them and it's not a game but really real...
Neal<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

1. Damn I want one of those hats!
2. I am setting up a "Counter-conspiracy" net and we will distribute shirts and have a secret hand shake; possibly accented with a wink or something like that!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>BOO!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

3. Damn I jumped!

ROFLMAO! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif One of your better posts my friend!

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WWMaxGunz
03-15-2004, 06:34 AM
It's just a total ripoff of the Red Baron Allied/Axis Conspiracy topics from the old Delphi FSF days. BlueVoss and others started it and it grew and grew.

Well actually the ones who started it shall not be named but for them it was a serious matter that there was a conspiracy to turn all Axis planes into useless draones instead of the superior technology that they truely were.

I don't know if there was an Allied Conspiracy because I flew Axis when I took a side and I knew the community well enough to get the occasional message or be there in a chat where the complaints and coordination between certain Axis players did amount to as much as they accused the Allied players of. And the major part of the Axis side of the community either didn't want to deal with it or frowned upon it.

Any of that sound familiar?

I've seen enough of it with every sim. So many opinions both informed or not much and reasonable variance given the data to be had varies yet some people gather at each end of the spectrum and insist that it's all their way and group up for strength or mutual support and always seem to be led by the strongest paranoids they have.

I guess that's still pretty familiar?

So the rest who are sick of it make posts about ID cards, hats, badges and oh yes I love the secret handshakes part! For a really good flame you get the ones who pull out the lawnchairs and share popcorn, milkduds, coke or pepsi and beer while posting munch, munch, slurp and commenting on the highlights.

The Delphi board which took over from the original Compuserve Flight Sim Forum (same people, Shebop had started it and carried it over I'm told) had really good people who could take these things where they belonged, deeply into humor.


Neal