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ulriktham74
03-24-2004, 03:55 AM
It's with a heavy heart I discovered the shortcomings of my venerable fighter favourite. Yes, it's faster than heck and packs a 30mm cannon and twin 13mm machineguns but, alas, it has little ammo and can't really outmaneuver many other fighters.

I am considering switching to another high quality Luftwaffe bird, the Fockewulf 190. It can turn and burn, packs lots of 20mm and MG ammo...and it's cute.

So - timeout for the Bf109 and welcome to Fw190 fighter/bomber school for me!

"See ya in the air!"

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ulriktham74
03-24-2004, 03:55 AM
It's with a heavy heart I discovered the shortcomings of my venerable fighter favourite. Yes, it's faster than heck and packs a 30mm cannon and twin 13mm machineguns but, alas, it has little ammo and can't really outmaneuver many other fighters.

I am considering switching to another high quality Luftwaffe bird, the Fockewulf 190. It can turn and burn, packs lots of 20mm and MG ammo...and it's cute.

So - timeout for the Bf109 and welcome to Fw190 fighter/bomber school for me!

"See ya in the air!"

//U.Th

bodaw
03-24-2004, 04:12 AM
{"....I am considering switching to another high quality Luftwaffe bird, the Fockewulf 190. It can turn and burn...",}

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IIJG1_Rudi
03-24-2004, 04:37 AM
What bodaw is perceptively hinting at, ulriktham, is that the wonderful 190 is anything BUT a turn and burn aircraft. Do a search on this forum...you'll read that plus some great hints on how to really fly this aircraft. It's deadly...so long as you don't pull the stick too drastically.

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vicloc
03-24-2004, 04:47 AM
Hi Ulrik,

If you think the G6-late is a poor turner, believe me the 190 is worse! However the 190 & any of the 109, if flown correctly and handled properly, it can be deadly. The key is BnZ :-)

I use to like TnB planes like the LAs, Yaks, but soon find it boring. I have been practicing BnZ with the German planes and having great fun with it. You got to practive those high speed high deflection shots.

609IAP_Recon
03-24-2004, 05:11 AM
Maybe a 190A6 would be better.

I would like that as well as a 109G4

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ElAurens
03-24-2004, 05:16 AM
I still find the F4 the most satisfying LW bird.

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VW-IceFire
03-24-2004, 07:08 AM
G-6 A/S is the best turner/firepower 109 you can find. If you go to the FW190 looking for a turner you're not about to find it (except at very high speeds). What you do have in the FW190 is immense firepower, excellent roll manuverability, and impressive speed and power. If you find your target turning, extend, pull back up and gain some altitude.

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Zen--
03-24-2004, 07:14 AM
For a limited duration the Ta152 will turn with anything. Til your speed runs out. And then you might be in trouble.



I would think the 109G2 would be a better choice for Luft TnB, if one simply has to fly that way. D9's do great in furballs but that doesn't mean they are good at TnB either.

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DHFS_dagger
03-24-2004, 07:37 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by vicloc:
However the 190 & any of the 109, if flown correctly and handled properly, it can be deadly. The key is BnZ :-)
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DuxCorvan
03-24-2004, 08:19 AM
Fw 190 is extremely unpleasant to fly TnB. If you pull it too much you'll find youself head down and near stall. Its amazing roll rate is more a pain than an advantage, for it makes it very unstable.

But it is a superb BnZ fighter, it earns energy easily -as easily as you can drain it by overturning- and it has incredible firepower.

You ain't nowhere turning in a LW fighter -unless you're in a SCW He 51 fighting sluggish Hispano-Nieuport Ni.622 fighters...

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JG27_Arklight
03-24-2004, 08:21 AM
Next time you think that the 109AS can't turn with the other fighters in this game go fly against JG27_Aristo and then come back here and report your experiences.

You will see that you aren't flying the 109AS to the best of it's abilities.

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ulriktham74
03-24-2004, 09:13 AM
Me answering myself - feedback to all repliers:

Thanx for the initial responses. I have some experience with 109s and 190s AND since I am flying keeeyboooard I am truly gentle with the keys - no stick to pull. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

So - Yes, I'll be careful in my new butcher bird.

Now I need to find a good template for Fw190A4 that has both fuselage/engine sides Clearly Marked Out (they're reversed in the original bmp skins), the Bf109 was sooo easy to paint - just 'color range' select all over... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

BlitzPig_DDT
03-24-2004, 12:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DHFS_dagger:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by vicloc:
However the 190 & any of the 109, if flown correctly and handled properly, it can be deadly. The key is BnZ :-)
QUOTE]

couldn't agree more http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
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Not anymore. Go fast enough to actually be able to zoom and you don't have the elevator to do so anymore in the 109.

Seems as if it's a combination of linear stick force "curves" and possibly working off of TAS rather than IAS.

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FI_Deathsledge
03-24-2004, 12:30 PM
keep your speed up http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

TooCooL34
03-24-2004, 12:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ulriktham74:
Me answering myself - feedback to all repliers:

Thanx for the initial responses. I have some experience with 109s and 190s AND since I am flying keeeyboooard I am truly gentle with the keys - no stick to pull. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
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sambar
03-24-2004, 12:57 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ulriktham74:
...AND since I am flying keeeyboooard...


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KGr.HH-Sunburst
03-24-2004, 01:34 PM
keybord and a FW190 ? now thats something a wanna see http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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Vortex_uk
03-24-2004, 03:04 PM
If anything,the only 190 that can do 'some' TnB is the A-4 or A-5. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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03-24-2004, 03:55 PM
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The 109G6AS is all over the 190A5 for turn rate and climb. You need to be very disciplined to fight and win in the Fw series, e-retention is crucial.

LEXX_Luthor
03-24-2004, 04:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You need to be very disciplined to fight and win in the Fw series<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No, you need to wait till Bf runs out of gas and lands then use that bombload. Range and bombload is why Fw is the better WAR winning plane, while Bf is the better WAR losing plane (ie...short range intercept).

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kiteman_1
03-24-2004, 07:11 PM
did my transition from BF109 to FW 190
all i know about 109 dont apply to 190 especially the turn and burn thing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

but enjoying 190 so much, love flying low looking for convoy on the way back to airbase in single player

karost
03-24-2004, 10:18 PM
Hi, ulriktham74 and friends

I plan for switching for 109G2 to 190A4 but my reason not same like you.

For playing nock spit5 in 1942 period as west side because: -


1) Gun fire power in 109G2 less power HE then history record event rate of fire is very fast then I have to get very close enough to nock spit5
2) When I get close to spit5 and if I miss the chance to bounce at one time he will apply T&B tactic which I not west my time to play to follow but have to keep climb turn to maintain attitude advantage. But this situation will leak my energy gone if that action is 1vs1 that will no problem but if not, then it will become more badly.


In 190A4
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1) At initial point of attack start same like 109G2 by drive to turn my energy to advantage speed get close to spit5 event he saw me and break hard I still have a chance to deflect to make a major damage to him with 4x20 mm.
2) If I miss then I still have to choice to zoom climb or drive and go way same as hit and run tactic, coz drive speed of 190A better than 109G2/G6



For 1943-1944 periods I still love to enjoy my G6, G10, or K4 with mk108 30mm. : D

If use select 190A4 to play DF server with icon/on and have a small map, that is a bad choice to 190A4 and very hard work for you and T&B tactic with 190A4 is a wrong decision, same as other friends here share you his advice. But hit and run tactic in 190A4 every effective but boring.

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