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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 02:44 AM
Is Level Stabilizer in the Controls section supposed to work on all planes as it does now?

It levels any plane completely, even when there aren't any manual trims for them. It's probably using the regular pitch, roll and yaw axis inputs, but I thought this type of feature was only on bombers?

Anybody know otherwise?

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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 02:44 AM
Is Level Stabilizer in the Controls section supposed to work on all planes as it does now?

It levels any plane completely, even when there aren't any manual trims for them. It's probably using the regular pitch, roll and yaw axis inputs, but I thought this type of feature was only on bombers?

Anybody know otherwise?

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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 03:15 AM
I think it's only there to help us fly straight and level on long flights. It's not easy to trim an online airplane, and that helps alot.

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 03:40 AM
It definitely does help. I was just curious of it's original intention and if it's meant for all planes.

I assigned it to a button and it makes a nice addition to escape maneuvers when you've got a persnickity bandit on your six and you're yanking and banking and just when he gets too close, hit it and the plane instantly levels and he either goes by or tries to stay behind you.

Click it back off before he can adjust and make a move to get away./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Message Edited on 09/24/0310:41PM by SlickStick

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 03:49 AM
Eh... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif .

SlickStick wrote:
- It definitely does help. I was just curious of it's
- original intention and if it's meant for all planes.
-
- I assigned it to a button and <u>it makes a nice
- addition to escape maneuvers</u> when you've got a
- persnickity bandit on your six and you're yanking
- and banking and just when he gets too close, hit it
- and the plane instantly levels and he either goes by
- or tries to stay behind you.
-
- Click it back off before he can adjust and make a
- move to get away.

You actually do that? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

-

OT: That is one thing a certain person was trying to get across in regards to this sim and certain 109s plane performance. I am not going to get into right or wrong about the specifics, but, the point...

people are always going to 'game the game'.

(That is kind of a silly expression, IMO.)

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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 04:22 AM
Actually, I just found the Level Stabilizer today and was trying it on AI enemies and it works well. Humans may be different, as they are always unpredcitable. Not sure how effective it would actually be in combat online.

Sorry to burst anybody's bubble, but ALL the top competitive squads "game the game" and use everything within the game's means to gain a possible advantage. I've never been one to worry about what a person uses in-game as long as it's there for everybody else to use.

However, my quirk is bringing these types of advantage tactics to light, so they don't remain dark, foreboding secrets and everybody can use them if they choose to./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

That's just me, though. I also feel that no-pit is more exciting than pit because seeing everything your enemy is doing and him seeing everything you're doing and you STILL take him down really makes for some exciting and rewarding dogfights in my gaming world.

Gaming the game has been a fact of online gaming since Day 1. It's just that certain "honorable" pilots use them in the dark and like to pretend in the light./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 04:26 AM
As far as I know, its intention was to hold bombers level while adjusting the bombsight. Probably a quick fix due to the fact the autopilot locks the controls. I would like to see the bomb sight and autopilot integrated. I would not want to use level stabilizer in a dogfight. Most people I fly with only need a second to get in a shot. Something like that would be offering up your azz lol.

It just doesnt make sense Admiral. They had everything going for them. Are we better than they are or just lucky?

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 05:23 AM
If someone uses the level stabilizer, it just makes them an easier shot.

About the only good use for it in dogfights is high G pullout moves.

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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 05:58 AM
Probably so, RBJ. However, no tactic, no matter how unconventional, should be discounted. A great pilot uses his tactical knowledge and makes things up as he goes along. I can see this working against an over-aggressive opponent.

But, it does seem impractical at this early stage of testing./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 08:09 AM
Sorry, SlickStick. I did not answer you original question.

Yes, as Redwulf__55 said, it is for level fight while bombing.

BTW, no bubbles burst over here. I knew about 'gaming the game' a long time ago. About bringing 'it' (level stabalizer/gaming the game) into the light, I think you are a tad bit late on that. I am sure most people know about that.

Gaming the game. - I always find it amusing how some people will try to find anything to use in a game, and then rationalize it. Maybe I think different from some people, but I feel a great pilot would not even attempt to learn to use that for anything other than its intended purpose. A great pilot would use , yes, his/her tactical knowledge, and skill, to get themselves out of trouble. Not some rinky-**** 'trick'.

Anyway, SlickStick, you backed the wagon up a little, no? From, "It definitely does help", to "it does seem impractical". If you are starting to feel it is not worth you effort, then good for you, because it surely will not help you get better using silly things like that, in that manner. And yes, a person probably would wind up being just ordinance fodder using that online.

CYA /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

EDIT: Clarification.

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Message Edited on 09/25/0302:33AM by RealKill

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 08:33 AM
Good points, RealKill. My main point was that I feel that there is nothing wrong with keeping up with the Jones'.

Of course, this "Level Stabilizer" thing isn't really a big deal, but it could certainly come in handy in a variety of situations, offline and online. I was just curious if it was intended to be a game function or not. There is sooooooo much that goes on behind the scenes of this game and all we can do is just roll with the punches and attempt to retain the competitive edge.

I just wanted to bring up this issue and see what others thought about it. I'm glad to see positive banter being generated. I was a bit hasty in assessing this function for it's online value and I admit that it's probably not much of a help.

However, should it work for all planes? I'm not too sure about that one, since there aren't too many planes that can auto-trim every control surface with one button.

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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 09:38 AM
It might as well work for all planes. It's just supposed to simulate the pilot holding the controls level. It does not change trim at all. Suppose you are in a mission in a I16 and you are going to an objective and you have to take a wiz in thre other room. Of course people who only play full real would say use a tube but level-headed people would choose otherwise.

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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 09:47 AM
If that is it's intention, RBJ, then it does it well. I'll just file this away under the topic of "Interesting FB Controls That May Come In Handy In A Critical Dogfight One Day".

And just fer you:

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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 10:11 AM
What the heck does full real have to do with this?

Anyway, you have to go, put the darn thing on level and go. (I doubt you will get anyone on your line with that one.)

Of course, if your plane is not there when 'you ' get back, 'cus we all know a person has to hit the kitchen, too, oh well, just hit refly. (Or, head back to the can.)

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