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Bartsimpson-
01-26-2004, 05:03 PM
Yes the de haviland mosquito, The most fameous twin in the second world war also the fastest and built in their 1000's in recon ,fighter and tactical roles yet i don't see it given any consideration here .

Your thoughts please.

Bart .

Bartsimpson-
01-26-2004, 05:03 PM
Yes the de haviland mosquito, The most fameous twin in the second world war also the fastest and built in their 1000's in recon ,fighter and tactical roles yet i don't see it given any consideration here .

Your thoughts please.

Bart .

Mike_Green
01-26-2004, 05:42 PM
Bad idea.

I play this game too much as it is. Give me a Mosquito, and I will have NO time to spare for food, sleep, etc.

Previously known round these parts as mikeyg007

necrobaron
01-26-2004, 05:46 PM
It's sorely needed.

DONB3397
01-26-2004, 09:19 PM
High Speed bomber, nightfighter, recon, fighter-bomber...hard not to like this a/c. From sim perspective, this opens some interesting and historic missions. I haven't seen a description of the BoB sim that explained the time frame. The Mosquito didn't fly until Nov., 1940, but I think it was involved as a nightfighter before the LW stopped bombing London.

Perhaps we'll get it then. I've seen models of the Beaufighter in the forum, but not the Mossy. Not interested, however, if it isn't flyable.

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Oso2323
01-26-2004, 09:25 PM
I've seen some talk around Netwings of making one. Nothing's confirmed yet.

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01-26-2004, 09:40 PM
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tttiger
01-26-2004, 09:58 PM
Best and most versatile airplane of WWII and the fastest until Mid-1944. We had a dedicated Mossie (NOT mozzie) squad in WarBirds and it was a hoot. Below radar, hit and run. 400 mph at 40 feet over the Channel.

Anyone who hasn't read "Terror in the Starboard Seat" by Dave McIntosh, a navigator in the 418 RAF, has missed a treat. One of the best books of WWII IMHO. What those guys did, mostly at night without radar, was amazing!

The twin Merlins sound awesome (of course, nothing sounds awesome in FB).

I vote aye!

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p1ngu666
01-26-2004, 10:17 PM
yeah
in some pilot mag there was a clip from a flight test
"sitting between 2 merlins is very loud"
who cares man. 2 merlins http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif:http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
plus we can pee of the luftwhinners by pegging it a max throttle and leave em in the dust http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

ELEM
01-27-2004, 01:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bartsimpson-:
Yes the de haviland mosquito, The most fameous twin in the second world war <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Depends on your point of view. Ask any Russian (or me) and he'd probably say the Pe-2. Far more relevent to FB too, and we still dont have that yet!

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

Friendly_flyer
01-27-2004, 01:57 AM
Elm wrote:

&gt;Ask any Russian (or me) and he'd probably say the Pe-2. Far more
&gt;relevent to FB too, and we still dont have that yet!

In this day and age where we are to be given P-80 and Go-229, i find that comment wholly irrelevant. I would very much like a treat of Mosquito!

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Menthol_moose
01-27-2004, 02:11 AM
After watching 633 squadron on tv the other day, a mossie fix would do just the trick ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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01-27-2004, 02:12 AM
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Bartsimpson-
01-27-2004, 02:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ELEM:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bartsimpson-:
Yes the de haviland mosquito, The most fameous twin in the second world war <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Depends on your point of view. Ask any Russian (or me) and he'd probably say the Pe-2. Far more relevent to FB too, and we still dont have that yet!

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I tend to agree with you in some in regards to relevence to f/b but bare in mind we have the p38 comeing online as well as a few other dubious rareities , i presume it's more a case of too british and too fast .

Thanks for your input.

Bart .

panther3485
01-27-2004, 02:25 AM
Hi guys!

I think it's accurate to say that the Mosquito would be more famous AROUND THE WORLD than the Pe2, for the same reason that the Spitfire and Mustang are more famous AROUND THE WORLD than the Yak or Lavochkin.

Note: 'More Famous' doesn't necessarily always mean 'better'. It just means 'better known'. Some WW2 Soviet types were among the finest of their time but SADLY, they are little known to the general public, outside Russia/Eastern Bloc area. This is NOT the fault of the aircraft themselves, of course.

But I do agree 100% that the Pe2 is more relevant to IL-2/FB (even if I do so dearly love the Mossie!)

By the way, although the Beaufighter saw action as a night fighter during the German night-bombing effort known to the British as the 'Blitz' (generally held to be from October 1940 to May 1941, but considered by some historians as a continuation of BoB), the Mossie didn't.

Of course, smaller scale night attacks did continue after the 'Blitz'.

The Prototype Mosquito FIGHTER was rolled out on 15 May 1941. The first Mosquito night fighter squadron was No. 157, formed in December 1941 and receiving their first machines in late Jan and early Feb of 1942. Their operational debut came on 3 April '42.

So, my favourite twin is not a BoB plane by any stretch, but lets hope the future BoB sim will have campaigns extending into later periods of the air war over Europe. Then you won't keep me out of my Mossie - if we get one!

Best regards to all,
panther3485

LEXX_Luthor
01-27-2004, 02:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>outside Russia/Eastern Bloc area.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
And China. That's alot of people.

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Arms1
01-27-2004, 02:37 AM
i agree with tttiger "Terror in the Starboard Seat" is a must read, very well written an quite humorous!

x6BL_Brando
01-27-2004, 03:03 AM
Along with the qualities that made the Mozzie one of the best, I have a personal reason for wanting the chance to fly one.
After the horrors of Dunkirk my late father-in-law was 4F'd out of active service and, because of his pre-war trade, was sent into the aircraft industry. Jack was a skilled carpenter/joiner so he ended up building mainly Mosquitoes...and Horsa gliders in the build-up to the invasion.
He reckoned the Mossie was an excellent design and a pleasure to construct. The workers took great care & pride in their "babies".

Old Jack hated the Luftwaffe and all it stood for after seeing the tactics at Dunkirk, and many a Mossie rolled out with some rich epithet concealed under the paintwork.

He spent his last years working in the aerospace industry, still as a carpenter! He carved lignum vitae into the cores round which the Harriers' thrust nozzles were formed. Those pattern-cores had to break into about six pieces in orderto be removed from the finished piece and be reassembled for re-use, all within tolerances of "a few thou, son"

Sorry to go off topic, but I thought a word or two for the unsung heroes might be appropriate. I hope we get one to fly in some time.....

Willthisnamedo
01-27-2004, 04:06 AM
Yup: Mossie and Beaufighter both rock (check out the amount of 'stuff' a late model beau carries, in addition to its 4 cannon and 7 machine guns...), and I want 'em.

In addition, I want one of the great 'unsung' aircraft of all time: the single seat long range fighter version of the mossie: the De Havilland Hornet. Now that WOULD be a blast. Insanely fast, twin engine, long range, heavy cannon armament, and good looks. (and before you all start, i know it's not actually a version of a mossie, it just looks very similar and comes from the same stable...) These are serious gentlemen of the prop world. Oh, and a Hawker Sea Fury to shoot down all these jets that are coming along.

SpinSpinSugar
01-27-2004, 04:16 AM
x6BL_Brando - coincidence there.

My grandfather was also named Jack, and was a fitter on Mosquitos in the north of England. A couple of the items I inherited from him after he passed away were an incredibly detailed Mosquito model carved from wood, and a small piece of a Messerschmitt 110 shot down over Barnard Castle in 1943.

I'd love to fly a Mosquito, it's the only reason I bought CFS3 (which was sold on Ebay within a week in disgust). Oh, to have it in a proper sim.

Cheers,

SSS

MiloMorai
01-27-2004, 04:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ELEM:

Depends on your point of view. Ask any Russian (or me) and he'd probably say the Pe-2. Far more relevent to FB too, and we still dont have that yet!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unlike the Mossie, for which there is a wealth of info, the Pe-2 does not. So when you come up with some cockpit info "we" can get a "flyable" Pe-2 Elem.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Relevent to Il-2 but not FB.

The first LW a/c, a Ju-88 did not fall to a RAF NF Beaufighter IF, using AI assist, until the night of Nov.19 though #219 did get a 'kill' on Oct 25. The first night sortie was flown by a FIU Beau(R2059) on the night of 4/5 Sept. There was 12 EA destroyed in the next 6 months.

Single Beau IFs, to test AI effectiveness, were issued to #25, #29, 219, and 604. #600, a specialized NF unit, recieved its first Beau IF on Sept 8.(according to S/S #1153)

There won't be many coming back "safely" in a Beau that has an engine out &gt; probably the worst, if not the worst, to land.



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ELEM
01-27-2004, 05:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MiloMorai:

Unlike the Mossie, for which there is a wealth of info, the Pe-2 does not. So when you come up with some cockpit info "we" can get a "flyable" Pe-2 Elem.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Relevent to Il-2 but not FB.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not true. There is a wealth of infomation available for the PE-2 cockpit from the various survivors in museums, and pictures have been posted here many times. Indeed, I understand that Oleg had reserved it to do himself but is obviously too busy with higher priority work. If any of "our" dream birds are going to be created now, it's going to be down to the 3rd party guys, Gibbage et al. So it all depends on what their priorities are. In the mean time we'll all just have to dream!

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

patrat618
01-27-2004, 05:15 AM
i for one would really love having the mossie in the game. im new to the game and was slighty disappointed that it wasn't already in.

one of the reasons i want to be able to fly it, is because in the second world war my father was in the 8th airforce in england. he was a officer in charge of a ground crew that worked on mossies, they used them for weather recon. to this day if the subject of aircraft comes up he mentions the mossie and what a beutiful plane it was. in fact for his 80th birthday my brother spent about 2 weeks of painstakening work building a large model of the mossie to give to him.

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MiloMorai
01-27-2004, 05:22 AM
OK Elem, but there is a VVS a/c (bomber maybe) that there is a lack of info on.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Speaking of models, my brother has an aluminum Mossie (~6" ws) that my father 'carved' while overseas - fantasic rendition. He was a master tool & die maker by trade.

Long live the Horse Clans.

ELEM
01-27-2004, 05:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MiloMorai:
OK Elem, but there is a VVS a/c (bomber maybe) that there is a lack of info on.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, the Pe-8.

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

MiloMorai
01-27-2004, 05:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ELEM:


Yes, the Pe-8.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A twin engine a/c as well, isn't there? Tu-2????



Long live the Horse Clans.

Erbriac
01-27-2004, 06:00 AM
Does anybody have a good 3-view drawing of a Mosquito Mk.VI or Mk.II (preferably with crossections)? I searched all the web, but found only Mk.IV (the unarmed bomber) or very low quality of Mk.VI. The problem is, the Mk.VI is of thinner profile than Mk.IV, has smaller bomb bay because of the 4 20mm Hispanos, different nose and cockpit and maybe something else.

I may give it a go. Better have 2 modellers thinking about it than none at all. I presume I can work on 2 models simultaneously. Or at least I'll find out http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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MiloMorai
01-27-2004, 06:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Erbriac:
Does anybody have a good 3-view drawing of a Mosquito Mk.VI or Mk.II (preferably with crossections)? I searched all the web, but found only Mk.IV (the unarmed bomber) or very low quality of Mk.VI. The problem is, the Mk.VI is of thinner profile than Mk.IV, has smaller bomb bay because of the 4 20mm Hispanos, different nose and cockpit and maybe something else.

I may give it a go. Better have 2 modellers thinking about it than none at all. I presume I can work on 2 models simultaneously. Or at least I'll find out http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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RAF Museum Series #6 The Mosquito Manual
Author(s):
Publisher(s): Arms and Armour Press (UK)
Hippocrene Books Inc. (USA)
ISBN: 0853683913 (UK)
0882544462 (USA)
Date Published: 1977
Format: Hardback, 351 pages.
Notes: Technical specs, no narrative.

early Mks, I and II????

Other books on the Mosquito

http://www.mossie.org/Mosquito_books.htm



Long live the Horse Clans.

NorrisMcWhirter
01-27-2004, 06:19 AM
Hi,

Indeed - why not the Mozzie? One of the most versatile multi-role a/c used in WW2. Extensively used for pathfinder and low-level high speed strikes, this would cause the FW190 boys some fun.

More historically accurate/useful than, say, the P-80 although no disrespect intended to the modeller(s).

Cheers,
Norris



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MiloMorai:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Erbriac:
Does anybody have a good 3-view drawing of a Mosquito Mk.VI or Mk.II (preferably with crossections)? I searched all the web, but found only Mk.IV (the unarmed bomber) or very low quality of Mk.VI. The problem is, the Mk.VI is of thinner profile than Mk.IV, has smaller bomb bay because of the 4 20mm Hispanos, different nose and cockpit and maybe something else.

I may give it a go. Better have 2 modellers thinking about it than none at all. I presume I can work on 2 models simultaneously. Or at least I'll find out http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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312. (Czechoslovak) Fighter Sq. RAF
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RAF Museum Series #6 The Mosquito Manual
Author(s):
Publisher(s): Arms and Armour Press (UK)
Hippocrene Books Inc. (USA)
ISBN: 0853683913 (UK)
0882544462 (USA)
Date Published: 1977
Format: Hardback, 351 pages.
Notes: Technical specs, no narrative.

early Mks, I and II????

Other books on the Mosquito

http://www.mossie.org/Mosquito_books.htm



Long live the Horse Clans.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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Erbriac
01-27-2004, 06:25 AM
Thanks Milo, but this is not what I want. I need only drawings. One good quality with crossections will be enough for the start. I don't want to buy whole book only for one drawing. And I ordered some things in the past from diff. online stores. Majority of them never arrived, some arrived half a year later, when I already found some replacement and in the rest I was supposed to pay $100 shipping and handling because Czech Republic as a destination was not in their list, thus considered as an interstellar trade. I won't do the same mistake again. At least not until we are in the EU (May 2004).

One good drawing...hope somebody here has one which can be scanned and sent by email.

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eiffel68
01-27-2004, 08:21 AM
I agree with Elem. Having nothing against the Mosquito, I think that this game shamefully lacks something without the Pe-2/3 and the Bf-110 flyable.

http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/images/antn45.jpg

p1ngu666
01-27-2004, 08:29 AM
erbriac, if u have paypal ill happily send stuff on from the uk to czech http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
ive done it before for a friend http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

darkhorizon11
01-27-2004, 09:16 AM
Pretty good for a plane with a cement and wood fuselage (except for the engines and cockpit of course). I'm sure the tracers from a Mosquitos machine gun were the last thing many Germans saw.

Erbriac
01-27-2004, 09:17 AM
Sorry, no paypal here m8. Don't know why but our banks does not support it. Only Visas, Master Cards etc. But thanks for your concern.

It's like 3 months ago on Netwings. There was a modeller willing to do the Mossie. He asked about the same thing as me now - the drawings, better would be free. No single reply. So he disappeared.

Guys, if you want help from me (or any other modeller, if I shall speak for them), you must first help us by providing us with all the necessary material about the plane you wish to have. Simple as that. We invest a lot of our free time making the models so advising us also to buy the necessary books is not very good.

Visit your libraries, ask your friends or perform some dark rituals...it's up to you if this thread will die after a time, full of posts like "gimme,gimme", "Why there's not a Mossie?", "Such important plane is not yet in FB?" and similar or someone will actually provide me with some material and I will see what I can do for you (and me as well).

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Salfordian
01-27-2004, 09:19 AM
A Beaufighter with the 4 50cals instead of 6 303s, like the Aussies used in the pacific would be a sweet ground attack plane

SpinSpinSugar
01-27-2004, 09:55 AM
Jeez, somebody help this Erbriac fella out. I'm frantically Googling for Mosquito schematics as we speak! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'd love any FB Mk Mossie, such graceful curves.

Cheers,

SSS

MiloMorai
01-27-2004, 10:16 AM
Erbriac, well I would help you out but I gave my book to a friend. The book is well worth the money. Iirc there was external drawings and internal drawings as well as detail cockpit drawings.

Maybe someone in GB could buy it for you and then send it to you, saving some shipping charges.

I have some drawings by Bjorn Karlstrom of the DH98 Mk19. This is the export NF used by the Swedes. I have another book, but it has no external drawing but much other detail stuff you would need.

I also have some drawings of the MK II, IV and VI as well. (by A.A. Lloyd)

I am gone for a few days but send me a PM where to send them, if you want the info.



Long live the Horse Clans.

p1ngu666
01-27-2004, 11:05 AM
ill ask my dad if hes got any info on it
he might have some model planes for rc aircraft

Erbriac
01-27-2004, 11:29 AM
Excellent, guys http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SpinSpinSugar: Hope you will have better luck than me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I found lot of photos, but scarcely any usable drawing.

MiloMorai: You got PM...err..PT

p1ngu666: Really appreciated. Thanks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Note that I will give it a go. I also know Gibbage announced a few weeks back he would like to model it too, after he finishes the PBY and the Do-335 and now the Ki-43 as well. Doesn't matter who will do it, but the first step - materials - must be gathered. You don't have to buy anything, just look at your local libraries. If the book was issued in the US or UK, you will have better chance to find it than me here. Borrow it and scan the drawings.

Thanks to all willing to help!

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312. (Czechoslovak) Fighter Sq. RAF
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theknightsofni
01-27-2004, 02:40 PM
i think i have the instruction sheet of a hasegawa model of a mossie, itl have pictures for the decals would that be any good? id have to hunt for it but could u scan it?

p1ngu666
01-27-2004, 04:08 PM
hey. ive spent ages looking thru stuff my dad got down from the loft.
gonna scan some of the mossie stuff now.
also got pe2 article (no cockpit pics) and MUNT loads of other stuff

got a wealth of info for the bearcat f8f or whatever
ill scan the rest on thursday. itll take awhile cos theres TONS :\

Erbriac
01-27-2004, 04:30 PM
knightsofni: No. I can't scan it if it is in your possession.

p1ngu666: Good job! Welcome to my Private Topic where you can get my email to send it to.

When I have all I need I'll contact Gibbage to sort the modelling things out.

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312. (Czechoslovak) Fighter Sq. RAF
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Lucius_Esox
01-27-2004, 05:59 PM
"He carved lignum vitae into the cores round which the Harriers' thrust nozzles were formed"

There's a name I havent heard in a very long time, Lignum Vitae. Used to work in a saw mill and used that as runners for the re-saws (big enough to chop trees up). You could hit em when they where out with a hammer and hardly dent em, wood!! Sorry I digress.

Zatorski
01-27-2004, 08:31 PM
I'd love to fly the Mosquito. I'm looking forward to more dual engine planes, P38 PE2 JU88, and BF110.
In fact, I'd run a server allowing only them, imagine it!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/upload/2/24/Mosquito.inflight.250pix.jpg

tttiger
01-27-2004, 09:41 PM
"MOSQUITO The Wooden Wonder" by Edward Bishop has very nice cutaways of both the bomber and fighter versions. The book is $30 US.

May come as a shock to you, but not ALL useful information is available one the web...yet. Some of us still have libraries with actual books in them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

www.mossie.org (http://www.mossie.org) is the best starting point for research. It lists every book, movie, web site, etc. available on the Mossie. You'll see some book reviews and other stuff in there from Mark Huxtable, an Aussie who used to be in our WarBirds Mossie squad. He's a walking encyclopedia on Mossies. Just click on his name on any of his book reviews and you can email him.. Tell him Tiger said G'Day http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif He'll gladly give you whatever you need. Great guy!

As to what's relevant, I don't think anyone argued louder than I did to keep FB an Eastern Front sim. I've run up the white flag on that issue and now consider it a WWII sim rather than an Eastern Front sim.

BTW, Brando (who happens to be a squaddie of mine through several sims now), you probably know from your uncle they built the Mossie in two halves and glued 'em together just like a plastic model kit http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I love that plane...bring it on. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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rugame
01-27-2004, 10:31 PM
cant be stuffed reading all the replys but, i thinks that a mossie is as needed as a live in house keeper who is a super model on the side http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif,

For all those to junior for the concept, dont worry with age brings wisdom http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SpinSpinSugar
01-28-2004, 06:10 AM
Note pingu666's thread here (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=326100371) for some nice Mossie pics. Although I presume that's already been conveyed by private topic. But just in case http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cheers, SSS

p1ngu666
01-28-2004, 06:52 AM
im gonna have a look in town for a cheap mossie book today http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
if i cant find any then ill organise a donation thing with paypal.
im not tight but poor :P

p1ngu666
01-28-2004, 12:15 PM
didnt find anything worth buyign :\

Erbriac
01-28-2004, 02:47 PM
I think I will have all the materials I need. I emailed Mark Huxtable as tttiger advised, let's hope he won't let us down. And MiloMorai promised some scans too. It will be good after all.

Btw nice scans p1ngu666 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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312_Wraith
312. (Czechoslovak) Fighter Sq. RAF
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p1ngu666
01-28-2004, 04:05 PM
hehe good http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
i bought a book on stalingrad to justify my trip to the outlet village, got snowed on, and fell in a small puddle on the way there :\
spent some time with my mate gaye tho http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
currently upping some more scans. ill tell u what they are when there done http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Erbriac
01-28-2004, 11:50 PM
Good News boys!!! I already received a couple of excellent drawings from MiloMorai and Mark Huxtable (from Mossie.org) answered my email and sent me some excellent drawings too!!! And he wrote he will be glad to help me with specific technical details for different marks of the Mosquito as well as with the FM (I will point him at Oleg, when the time comes). All around - EXCELLENT NEWS!

..and tttiger, this is for you:
"Pass on my best wishes to tiger. He worked really hard to get us functioning as a squad, just as most of us developed "other priorities."

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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312. (Czechoslovak) Fighter Sq. RAF
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DeerHunterUK
01-29-2004, 05:28 AM
I've got the Pilot Notes for the Mossie Mk VI FB if you need them.

No1_Moggy
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In memory of 'The Few'
http://www.lima1.co.uk/Sharkey/spitfire.jpg
The Tangmere Pilots - http://www.tangmerepilots-raf.co.uk/
Know your enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles, you will never be defeated.

SpinSpinSugar
01-29-2004, 05:46 AM
Fantastic news, very glad you have the materials you require! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cheers, SSS

MB_Avro
01-29-2004, 12:16 PM
BUMP...

or fairing..

both work..

Hi Bart_Simpson ! Good topic.

Regards
MB_Avro

tttiger
01-29-2004, 01:09 PM
How nice! I guess I better email him myself and say hello http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hux really is an expert on the Mossie and if you get him involved you'll have a wonderful resource person.

May even talk him into flying FB. His "other priority" that caused him to leave our WarBirds Mossie squad was a new baby (he used to fly with RW on so he could listen but he couldn't transmit because he'd wake up the baby). That kid's gotta be a couple years old and pottie trained by now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ttt

"I want the one that kills the best with the least amount of risk to me"

-- Chuck Yeager describing "The Best Airplane."

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CRSutton
01-29-2004, 01:17 PM
Nope, I would rather see the beaufighter come first. Just a personal preference. It just looked mean.

SpinSpinSugar
02-11-2004, 07:41 AM
Shameless bump for any news.

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SSS

Erbriac
02-11-2004, 07:49 AM
Lol, you don't expect completed model do you? Either way it would be up at Netwings, not here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif It's coming along pretty nicely, in the meantime we (me and Mark) are solving mossie riddles, like how the wheels retracted etc. Quite funny moments. I will post news after I finish the LOD_0, not from the middle of modelling.

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LeadSpitter_
02-11-2004, 08:17 AM
I would like to see the mossie too, cfs3 has one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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SpinSpinSugar
02-11-2004, 08:33 AM
Wasn't expecting anything Erbriac, just keeping the dream alive http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Seeing all the Pe-2 news in ORR reminded me of the Mossie project. Had trawled Netwings this morning to no avail. Thanks for the response, good to hear you're having fun with it!

Cheers, SSS

roachclip
02-11-2004, 09:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Erbriac:
Lol, you don't expect completed model do you? Either way it would be up at Netwings, not here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif It's coming along pretty nicely, in the meantime we (me and Mark) are solving mossie riddles, like how the wheels retracted etc. Quite funny moments. I will post news after I finish the LOD_0, not from the middle of modelling.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did you solve your retraction riddle?

It is very simple. The main pivot point is at the top of the compression struts. The rear braces pivot in the middle, which when retracted, the cross piece at the pivot point ends up approx. at the 11 o'clock position with respect to the tyre.

Erbriac
02-11-2004, 09:31 AM
Yes, it was solved. We used some logic, an RC model and lastly a short movie clip for reference. We were only unsure about the position of the mudguard in the wheelwell. Sorted now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Bo_Nidle
02-11-2004, 02:06 PM
The Mosquito must rank as one of,if not THE,most versatile aircraft of WW2.About the only thing it couldn't do was dogfight...or could it and I'm wrong.

Fast,manouverable,well armed, a classic.IMHO it ranks second only to the Spitfire as a work of art.

As to its relevance to FB...I think this sim has expanded past the Eastern Front now and is rightfully starting to encompass all theatres.

Best of all,like the Spitfire,Hurricane and Typhoon (the latter also sorely in need of inclusion!) which were all excellent aircraft,it was British!!!!!

Bo_Nidle

"You've got to treat your kite like you treat your woman.Get inside her five times a day and take her to Heaven and back"
Lord Flashheart RFC 1917

Bartsimpson-
02-11-2004, 10:42 PM
Bo_Nidle

"You've got to treat your kite like you treat your woman.Get inside her five times a day and take her to Heaven and back"
Lord Flashheart RFC 1917[/QUOTE]

You've been watching too many episodes of black adder sonnie .

Thanks for your positive contribution to the post . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bart .

Lucius_Esox
02-12-2004, 11:30 AM
Yes the Mossie,
She represented economy of thought, a fantastic plane!

Woody_418
01-05-2006, 10:51 PM
tttiger - er slight mistake - it should be 418 RCAF and not RAF. I know, picky, picky http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

By the way - anyone start a 418 squadron here?

woody.

mhuxt
01-06-2006, 03:21 AM
Heya woody:

Long time! You see anything of drover these days?

I don't actually play FB / etc yet - just lurk here from time to time pending the mossie.

Cheers,

Mark

jimDG
01-06-2006, 07:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Willthisnamedo:


In addition, I want one of the great 'unsung' aircraft of all time: the single seat long range fighter version of the mossie: the De Havilland Hornet. Now that WOULD be a blast. Insanely fast, twin engine, long range, heavy cannon armament, and good looks. (and before you all start, i know it's not actually a version of a mossie, it just looks very similar and comes from the same stable...) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Except that it didnt see combat in WW2, and even if it had - it would have been in the pacific - it's a carrier a/c. We might as well ask for a Douglas Skyraider A1, the Ryan FR-1 Fireball, and quite a few others.
Sure is a cool looking a/c though - a big brother to the Whirlwind kinda thing.
So, I propose to write to Oleg about a new expansion pack "Aircraft that were too late for WW2" (we throw the Do335 there as well - it would chew the Hornet to pieces http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Woody_418
01-06-2006, 02:10 PM
Heya Mark.

Been a while, eh?

I was doing a lot of flying in WB3 with Ronnbo last year, (saw id online as well) but couldn't get IEN to fix the flawed Mossie FM - so I decided to come over here and see how Prangsters model shapes up.

Need a Mossie fix bad http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hopefully we can do some flying together again.

Per ardua ad astra.

Frank.

VW-IceFire
01-06-2006, 03:13 PM
Question: Everyone knows that there is a Mosqutio FB.VI thats been completed and in the process of implementation according to one of Oleg's last updates a few months ago?

Everyone also knows that there is a Norway map being put together by Ian Boys which would see an excellent battleground for the Mosquito?

WOLFMondo
01-06-2006, 03:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jimDG:
I propose to write to Oleg about a new expansion pack "Aircraft that were too late for WW2" (we throw the Do335 there as well - it would chew the Hornet to pieces http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good idea...but I hate to tell you how wrong you are about your last statement:P

mhuxt
01-06-2006, 08:47 PM
Cheers Frank,

Yeah, would be neat to get some of the old gang together for some mossie fun.

Don't know how the IL-2 servers work though. If the bad guys know Mosquitos are about, they may just hang about low. The real pleasure over in WBs was they didn't know the mossies were there until ... they were gone!

All the best,

Mark

p1ngu666
01-06-2006, 10:44 PM
theres coops, which is most realistic, where its co operative play, like a single mission but with many players, u cant respawn tho.

and theres dogfight, where u spawn at random and chase others about in hero dogfighter planes

Woody_418
01-06-2006, 11:29 PM
I hear you Mark.

Ronnbo is also still out there, and just about desperate enough to go back to WB3. You think he'd be abit more patient after passing the 40 year mark http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Later.

Frank.

mhuxt
01-07-2006, 03:10 PM
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goshikisen
01-07-2006, 04:08 PM
A couple composites I made using some of Prangster's screenshots of his models.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/pf20.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/pf22.jpg

Low_Flyer_MkII
01-07-2006, 04:11 PM
Good stuff, goshikisen. The second shot's a belter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif