PDA

View Full Version : Use of the word Jap



XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 07:21 AM
Hi all,

I notice the word "Jap" is frequently used to refer to Japanese planes. I'm thinking maybe we shouldn't use this word, as it has insulting connotations. After all, nobody refers to German or Italian planes as Kraut or Eyetie planes. What does everyone think?



¿€¯ *, ¿€¯ *, ¿€¯ ¿¤ (´ ¿¤).

¿€¯ *, ¿€¯ *, µ³ ¿* €ç€ *.

(You will need the Korean character set to view this sig.)

Edit: ironically enough, the word "Jap" disappeared from the subject title the first time I posted this.

Message Edited on 11/06/0303:23PM by Llama_Croft

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 07:21 AM
Hi all,

I notice the word "Jap" is frequently used to refer to Japanese planes. I'm thinking maybe we shouldn't use this word, as it has insulting connotations. After all, nobody refers to German or Italian planes as Kraut or Eyetie planes. What does everyone think?



¿€¯ *, ¿€¯ *, ¿€¯ ¿¤ (´ ¿¤).

¿€¯ *, ¿€¯ *, µ³ ¿* €ç€ *.

(You will need the Korean character set to view this sig.)

Edit: ironically enough, the word "Jap" disappeared from the subject title the first time I posted this.

Message Edited on 11/06/0303:23PM by Llama_Croft

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 07:32 AM
Yes but we refer to Australians as Aussies and Americans as Yanks and the Russians as Ivan. AFAIAC Jap is a shortening for Japanese. There are other words for referring to the Japanese that I would find unacceptable, and I won't say them here.
Additionally, so many people here refer to the German aircraft as nazi planes (as though these machines had political views) that I think the use of the word Kraut would be less offensive.
You may have opened a can of worms here though

It's only funny til someone loses an eye....then it's hilarious

http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/nightschpanker/hurricat.jpg



Message Edited on 11/05/0310:48PM by Dubbo2

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 07:37 AM
its just a quick way of writing similer to when we write other comunity members names that are long they are often shortened..im going to misspell the names here but itll give you a idea... lexx luther=lexx..hunter82 is hunter..buzz_25 is buzz,milomorie is milo, huckibein=huckie( he dont like that though) australia =aussie.new zealand=kiwi. etc etc etc..

http://images.ar15.com/forums/smiles/anim_sniper2.gif
U.S INFANTRY 1984-1991

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 07:38 AM
well i'm a Yank, or a yankee if you're from the South, but it is true that Jap in American english generally carries a very negative connotation. And even though the expression issn't really known in Japan I don't thinkthey'd like it.

Plus if someone called my wife that i'd puch 'em.

So maybe add a period at the end at least. ?

Cheers

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 07:44 AM
You're right, there are some others words for Japanese that shouldn't be mentioned here.

What made me think of this was a little spat between Japan and North Korea at the UN yesterday. The North Korean Ambassador repeatedly referred to the Japanese as Japs, apparently because the Japanese Ambassador referred to North Korea as North Korea, instead of using its proper title the Democratic Peoples' Republic of Korea.

¿€¯ *, ¿€¯ *, ¿€¯ ¿¤ (´ ¿¤).

¿€¯ *, ¿€¯ *, µ³ ¿* €ç€ *.

(You will need the Korean character set to view this sig.)

Edit: This was in reply to Dubbo, but while I was typing it two other people got in. Wow, you've gotta move fast on these boards! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Message Edited on 11/06/0303:47PM by Llama_Croft

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 07:45 AM
It depends on the context it's used in as to whether it's insulting or not.

<center>http://www.uploadit.org/files/261003-NewSig_06.gif

"Any information that we receive concerning the real world is carefully controlled"

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 07:46 AM
I can agree with the Ivan thing. But Jap seems ok to me. Short for Japanese.

It may not be pc, but I'm sure just about everyone in the US and maybe the world is kinda sick of political correctness.

Also, can anyone Jewish enlighten me on when "Jew" became an insult? It seems that some moron gamers these days think that's a hard core insult or something.

I guess it's not offensive unless put in offensive context.



Message Edited on 11/06/0307:00AM by CrackFerret

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 07:54 AM
I agree with crackferret on both counts...

<CENTER>http://members.cox.net/pcpilot/images/flags.gif
A proud son of the South...


You wont see paradise if you dont pedal. Col. Fowler RAF</CENTER>

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 07:55 AM
Saburo_0 wrote:
- well i'm a Yank, or a yankee if you're from the
- South, but it is true that Jap in American english
- generally carries a very negative connotation. And
- even though the expression issn't really known in
- Japan I don't thinkthey'd like it.

You're right, I think expression isn't known much in Japan, as I'm from Tokyo. But I feel very insulting if someone calls me Jap, or even someone writing it on this forum.

When I was at school one of the donkey-face called my mate jap and they started fighting.

And the term aussie and Jap are very different. Word Jap's been used during or maybe post war. I can say ausse whenever I want. Everyone says it. It's not insulting is it?


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
"Flying is not dangerous, crashing is"http://www.airmodel.com/airmodel/Images/stuka_fly_md_clr.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 07:59 AM
Perhps someone can suggest better short form for "japanese".

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 08:05 AM
in Hawaii we don't say "Jap" any more than we say "ni**er"...

they're both as bad here.

basically it can be used in humourous context between private individuals who won't take offense... however it would be very bad/insulting to refer to the Japanese as "japs" in the open public.


I notice that a lot of mainlanders are unsympathetic to the idea that "Jap" is a racial slur, and I gave up trying to turn heads on the subject a long time ago.

It's not merely shortening the word, it is a racial slur to some people.

You guys in the mainland or wherever can do whatever you want, I'm noone to tell you what you should and should not do.

But if you ever visit Hawaii learn to say the whole word... most local Japanese Americans I know will be offended, including myself, would be offended if we heard someone using it like just another word.



Message Edited on 11/05/0309:06PM by UncleReiben

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 08:06 AM
If I don't use the word Jap because some white people tell me that its wrong to use it, even though Japanese people don't mind the word, then that is political correctness.

If I don't use the word Jap because my Japanese friends tell me they find it very insulting (keep in mind the importance of respect and decorum in Japanese society), then that is politeness and respect, not political correctness.

But if y'all wish to go on blindly using the term and justify yourselves with your own feelings of cultural superiority and "anti-PC" coolness, I'm sure only the Japanese members of the forum who you insult will be bothered...

--AKD

http://www.flyingpug.com/pugline2.jpg

T_O_A_D
11-06-2003, 08:06 AM
It just a manner of use is all.

If I say I was flying a Jap plane last night, and was having fun would you think I was being rude?

But If I said listen her you dang Jap/Yank/Limme/Ruskie/ECT! This I would feel is rude.

If it is being used as a abreviation for the country so be it.

We all say USA not the "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" Now don't we. Or what about USSR same goes for that.

I think it all just comes down to how its used, and aslong we treat each other with equal respect it will be just fine.

My 2 cents



<Left>
131st_VFW_CO_Toad (http://www.geocities.com/vfw_131st/index.htm)

<Left>
/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif MY Track IR Fix read the whole thread (http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_ts&id=zwqtg)


<Center>http://home.mchsi.com/~131st_vfw/Mad_toad.jpg </a>
<font size="1" color="black">After eating an entire bull, a mountain
lion felt so good he started roaring. He kept it up until a
hunter came along and shot him...
The moral: when you're full of bull, keep your mouth shut!</font>
<font size="0" color="#59626B">

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 08:07 AM
So the referee decides what is offensive?
If Aussies don't find it offensive, it's not and if the Japanese find it offensive then it is?

Do the English find 'Tommy' and 'Pommie' offensive? Do the Germans find 'Jerry' offensive?

BTW They can all be offensive if you add the word'basta#d' to the end of each.....whether it's said or not. It's all depends on what context it's used.

It's only funny til someone loses an eye....then it's hilarious

http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/nightschpanker/hurricat.jpg

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 08:10 AM
Regarding the spat between NK and the Japanese over the word "Jap".
I spend 3 years in Japan in the "Navy brat" program in 1970 and witnessed this one night. After the local police chased a burglar through a bunch of back yards they ended up near our house where we lived off base. The proceeded to bang him up pretty good and one of the other Americans who lived nearby asked one of the cops why they were beating him up.
He said "him Korean" and grinned.
When I was there the Japanese looked down on the Koreans and any who lived in Japan were treated as social outcasts.

Looks like they still aren't getting along.

As far as an abreviation, such as Jap, Aussie, Yank or whatever, all I can say is, "get over it".

Cyall,
Cuda


http://www3.telus.net/ice51/taipans/tpn_cudaguy.jpg (http://taipans.dyndns.org)

Buzz_25th
11-06-2003, 08:16 AM
I always wondered if the British are offended by being called Brits.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
25th_Buzz
<center>
http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/foto1/anderson3.jpg

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 08:27 AM
Dubbo2 wrote:
- So the referee decides what is offensive?
- If Aussies don't find it offensive, it's not and if
- the Japanese find it offensive then it is?
-
- Do the English find 'Tommy' and 'Pommie' offensive?
- Do the Germans find 'Jerry' offensive?
-
- BTW They can all be offensive if you add the
- word'basta#d' to the end of each.....whether it's
- said or not. It's all depends on what context it's
- used.
-
- It's only funny til someone loses an eye....then
- it's hilarious
-

The word "Jap" may have developed an offensive connotation for Japanese people because of it's use during WW2:

http://a1560.g.akamaitech.net/7/1560/34/d9726d3cca9577/tlc.discovery.com/convergence/pacific/photo

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:3RV6SEP4AfEC:www.gseis.ucla.edu/courses/

http://a1560.g.akamaitech.net/7/1560/34/8be7a29562df1f/tlc.discovery.com/convergence/pacific/photo

http://a1560.g.akamaitech.net/7/1560/34/cb306abb0fddf9/tlc.discovery.com/convergence/pacific/photo/gallery/pacific_prop05_vzoom.jpg


http://a1560.g.akamaitech.net/7/1560/34/3248abb50486b3/tlc.discovery.com/convergence/pacific/photo/gallery/pacific_prop06_vzoom.jpg


--AKD

http://www.flyingpug.com/pugline2.jpg


Message Edited on 11/06/0307:29AM by A.K.Davis

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 08:29 AM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- I always wondered if the British are offended by
- being called Brits.
-
I'm not offended by being called a Brit. Limey might be another matter though /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .

As far as abbreviations go, how about JAAF or JNAF for Japanese Army Air Force and Japanese Naval Air Force respectively, as we're talking about planes?


¿€¯ *, ¿€¯ *, ¿€¯ ¿¤ (´ ¿¤).

¿€¯ *, ¿€¯ *, µ³ ¿* €ç€ *.

(You will need the Korean character set to view this sig.)

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 08:32 AM
"Jap" is an offensive name for people, like calling people who are German a Nazi, or people who are mexican beaners, Im both of these, I dont find being called a beaner offensive, but a Nazi very offensive, I got in alot of fights when I was young because of it, but Ive learn to deal with it. But the point is, that racial slurs are never ok. Only if the other person finds it funny. Thats my 2 cents.

http://pilotosdelaluftwaffe.tripod.com/avi/erichhartmannsabre.jpg
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Out of all of my accomplishments, Ive never lost a wing man"- Erich Hartmann
He fought for hes country, not for hes leaders.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 08:33 AM
CrackFerret,

It depends really. The context is important. The term "Jew" if it is sort of spat out can be very offensive, just like the term Jap, or Yank, or Kiwi.. that sort of thing. In actuallity, the word Jew simply refers to someone who is Jewish. Some stupid little 10 year old on Counter-Strike or something decided that it would be funny to call someone a jew, just like calling someone Gay or what have you.. My response to them is usually, "Sure, yep, thats me" no matter what it is they are calling me.. Its a tremendous waste to get p!ssed at someone over a game. On the other hand, if someone said something like that to my face, well.. I am rather large compared to your average Jew (6'4 250 lbs) and you'd have to pry me off them with the Jaws of life.

Interesting but forgotten:

The term to "get jipped" is actually spelled "gyped" and is a racial slur for Gypsies (the meaning of the phrase remains the same, to be cheated). The other phrase, now much less commonly used is to "get jewed" which has the same meaning. Hold overs from the misconception that we all own banks or charge huge amounts of interest on loans... Though I don't remember that passage in the Old Testament.. "Thou shalt forever run banks, and build rockets and stuff..".. Anyway.

:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+

"Flying is more than a sport and more than a job; flying is pure passion and desire, which fill a lifetime."

RAF74_JazzMan
RAF No.74 Squadron
http://www.aircombat.ca/RAF74/ ( <A HREF=)" target=_blank>http://www.aircombat.ca/RAF74/</a>

http://www.hotel.wineasy.se/ipms/photos/profile_74sqn_06.gif


"Individual victories in the air should be subordinate to the overall sucess of the group....The most important principle is to insure that those under you feel that their commander understands their worries; that the commander can be approached by anyone in the group; that what he demands of the group is necessary, and that you would never demand of them more that what you are willing to demand of yourself."

:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+

:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+

"Flying is more than a sport and more than a job; flying is pure passion and desire, which fill a lifetime."

RAF74_JazzMan
RAF No.74 Squadron
http://www.aircombat.ca/RAF74/

http://www.hotel.wineasy.se/ipms/photos/profile_74sqn_06.gif


"Individual victories in the air should be subordinate to the overall sucess of the group....The most important principle is to insure that those under you feel that their commander understands their worries; that the commander can be approached by anyone in the group; that what he demands of the group is necessary, and that you would never demand of them more that what you are willing to demand of yourself."

:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 08:33 AM
Never, Buzz.

We Brits are to self-effacing to get stung over this kind of stuff (i generalise - there are always sad exceptions).

Doesn't mean we don't occasionaly dabble in the ridiculous dance of the P.C. brigade every now and again. I still remember clearly the days of having to order a 'non-white' coffee at the canteen where i was an apprentice.




Lixma,

Blitzpig.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 08:44 AM
hey im so sick of this PC world I live in a Jap is a Jap is a Jap who cares its the tone its used in if I said you fin jap ya thats wrong if i said i saw a jap zero at my 1 o'clock who gives a rats arse. Its crap like this that made it take 3 months and 2 tries later to get my Class A license to carry a firearm here in Massachusets all this PC liberal crap is sicken this world deeper in the toilet. For example Affirmitive Action. My grandfather was a Boston Cop shot and killed, if i go and take the police exam and I get a 99 and a minority gets a 89 hell get the job before me if that isnt crap I dont know what is. Personaly im German/Portuguese call me a goose or a Kraut i could care less if your not sayin it in a deragatory manor. as for sayin jap......The Ki-84 is one hell of a Jap plane WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 08:44 AM
Americans get called Yanks
British get called Brits
Russian get called Ruskie or Ivan
Austrailians get called Aussies
And Japanese, Japs

on and on and on

Its really just a short name, derived from unknown roots. They can have both affectionate and derogative meanings depending on the context and tone they are used in.

In text it is very hard to convey tone of a statement. I use to always refer to Black people as Negro or African Americans (like they where all born in Africa or every black person is an American, geeze) , but one day I just accepted that PC is just not possible every single moment of every day. If I don't take offense to being called White why should someone that is Black takes offense to their skin tone?

Nationalities are much in the same way, I don't take offense to being called a Yank, (even from being from the 'south'). Unless its in improper context that is meant to be insultive which takes a carefull eye or ear sometimes.

Alot of the time offense is only taken because it is being looked for or trying to be inticed. Such as your example at the UN, I'm guessing the represetative refered to the DPRK as North Korea because he didn't want to say The Democratic People's Republic of Korea over and over.

However, the North Korean represetative was probably searching for any chance to cite offense given their current attitude towards the United States and the countries it is close with.

http://www.redspar.com/redrogue/CraggerUbisig.jpg

About after 30 minutes I puked all over my airplane. I said to myself "Man, you made a big mistake." -Charles 'Chuck' Yeager, regards his first flight

Buzz_25th
11-06-2003, 08:45 AM
So what else is acceptable besides Japanese? They have no nick that I know of.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
25th_Buzz
<center>
http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/foto1/anderson3.jpg

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 08:48 AM
When the Japs own up to their history of atrocities and general barbarity during WWII, a history that to this day is expunged from their textbooks, I'll stop using the term. My father and my uncle had to fight those brainwashed imperial automatons all the way from the Marianas to the home islands. Serving in Pearl Harbor and seeing the Arizona Memorial everyday, or even going to Tokyo and seeing that Tojo is honored at the Yasukuni Shrine is enough for me to determine that the Japanese right wing whitewash of their "Pacific War" merits no politically correct rapproachment yet. They still haven't come to grips with what they did as a people.

Offhand, I can come up with a half dozens terms for the Japanese that Pacific vets have handed down that really are slurs compared to "Jap."

I look forward to virtually blasting them in FB.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 08:52 AM
oh ya Nip is a good one whats that stand for anyways.

and the previous poster is right you never hear about there bio-chemical medical experiment attrocities like you do the Nazis only because we recruited them after the war. They were just as bad if not worse. History is so one sided sometimes.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 08:57 AM
Look, worms everywhere. How we ever gonna get them back in the can?

I think Nip is short for Nippon, no?

It's only funny til someone loses an eye....then it's hilarious

http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/nightschpanker/hurricat.jpg

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 08:59 AM
nips stand for nipponese.. japanese word for japan.........ppl are whaaaay to touchy these days

http://images.ar15.com/forums/smiles/anim_sniper2.gif
U.S INFANTRY 1984-1991

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 09:02 AM
tenmmike wrote:
.........ppl are whaaaay to touchy these days


Indeed. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


It's only funny til someone loses an eye....then it's hilarious

http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/nightschpanker/hurricat.jpg

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 09:04 AM
say that again.....
I can move ahead in line if im a certain ethnicity
but I cant say Jap

whats the world comin to

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 09:17 AM
Us English dont mind being called Brits. Its quite nice being reminded that you come from a particular background, its just a shame that my country does'nt really celebrate being British any more, what happened to St.Georges day???
I think this P.C. stuff is like the Emporers new clothes type thing.......everyone jumps on the bandwagon leaving individualism a thought crime!!!

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 09:21 AM
That's easy mate, St George's day is an English holiday, not a British one. St David's day is celebrated in Wales, St Andrew's day is celebrated in Scotland and St Patrick's day is celebrated just about everywhere.

Basically, the English are boring in comparison to their celtic neighbours. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

(short answer: I don't know why, but you should)

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 09:26 AM
I think that the word "Jap" does have a slight pejorative connotation in the United States. But then, so does the word "Japanese." Sorry, I don't see much to choose from here.

It might be fun, though, to go through the same kind of PC evolution in terminology that we have with Negroes/Colored People/Blacks/People of Color/Afro-Americans/African Americans, if only to see the the issue degenerate into the sort of "how many angels" discussion that characterizes PC doctrine.

I understand that one should not intentionally offend people on any ground. What I do not understand is why so many fail to see how I could be legitimately offended by the sort of political indoctination and mind-control that requires me to use particular terminology and to eschew other forms of expression, and establishes tangible penalties for my failure to conform. America's universities have become disgraceful indoctination centers where students have been castigated, discliplined, or expelled for conduct that is at most simply rude or thoughtless, but is often innocent or harmless in context.

I personally don't want to live in a world where neighbors monitor others and report their slightest transgressions from the politically-approved norm to the Thought Police. It's called totalitarianism, folks, and I think that's a greater danger to human happiness than the possibility that someone might be offended by a boorish remark made by an idiot.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 09:31 AM
I've seen this come up before, and asked this before.
Why is it offensive to a Japanese person? it's an abreviation, get over it
Do they find any association with the Japanese millitary of WWII offensive? Why?



Now...why shouldnt we use it in this WWII game?
My grandfathers didnt fight nice respectable oriental gentlemen, they fought Japs.
One of them was killed at Tol Plantation in cold blood, by a Jap.
I wont dishonour his memory by reffering to the WWII Imperial Japanese forces or their equipment as anything but the term he would have used.

Two sides to this coin mate.

By the way, this is in the context of WWII millitary, I fully understand that the Japanese folks now are not responsible for the actions of their wartime armed forces, and I wish them no ill, nor offence.
But we are playing a WWII flight sim, dealing with WWII forces and equipment, and I have absolutely zero (no pun intended) respect for the barbaric ways of the WWII Jap and I refuse to validate his actions in the pacific by not using a word which may remind people of what actually happened less than a human life span ago.

If seeing the word Jap used in the context of WWII combat bothers you, perhaps millitary history isnt really a good thing for you to be interested in.

Message Edited on 11/06/03 08:36AM by BluedogKG200

Message Edited on 11/06/0309:37AM by BluedogKG200

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 09:41 AM
TommyTroy wrote:
- I think that the word "Jap" does have a slight
- pejorative connotation in the United States. But
- then, so does the word "Japanese." Sorry, I don't
- see much to choose from here.
-
- It might be fun, though, to go through the same kind
- of PC evolution in terminology that we have with
- Negroes/Colored People/Blacks/People of
- Color/Afro-Americans/African Americans, if only to
- see the the issue degenerate into the sort of "how
- many angels" discussion that characterizes PC
- doctrine.
-
- I understand that one should not intentionally
- offend people on any ground. What I do not
- understand is why so many fail to see how I could be
- legitimately offended by the sort of political
- indoctination and mind-control that requires me to
- use particular terminology and to eschew other forms
- of expression, and establishes tangible penalties
- for my failure to conform. America's universities
- have become disgraceful indoctination centers where
- students have been castigated, discliplined, or
- expelled for conduct that is at most simply rude or
- thoughtless, but is often innocent or harmless in
- context.
-
- I personally don't want to live in a world where
- neighbors monitor others and report their slightest
- transgressions from the politically-approved norm to
- the Thought Police. It's called totalitarianism,
- folks, and I think that's a greater danger to human
- happiness than the possibility that someone might be
- offended by a boorish remark made by an idiot.
-
-
IMHO best post in this thread yet....

Sums it up nicely /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Tully__
11-06-2003, 09:43 AM
I'll be considering it on a case by case basis, based on context. There is clearly to much that is vague in the issue to have a hard set rule that will work.

<center> ================================================== ========================= </center>

<center> <img src=http://members.optusnet.com.au/tully_78th/Corsair.jpg> </center>

<center> Forum Terms of Use (http://www.ubi.com/US/Info/TermsOfUse.htm) </center>
<center> Sig size limits (http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=yzrgs)</center>
<center><font size="-2" color="#88aadd">IL2 Forums Moderator</font></center>


Salut
Tully

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 09:43 AM
- IMHO best post in this thread yet....
-
- Sums it up nicely

Couldn't agree more /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
"Flying is not dangerous, crashing is"http://www.airmodel.com/airmodel/Images/stuka_fly_md_clr.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 09:51 AM
This is international forum and it could be important to think before we post. Much of our simming language comes from reading about the WAR. Here in USA we read about "Japs" in our Pacific Ace stories. And cos we sim the Aces, and only the Aces, and wear Their FB skins as our own, we want to talk like the Aces.

On the other hand, the language used could be considered Full Real and certainly a part of air war history from the soldier's view. Anyway the Real Aces of all sides could meet and Party after the WAR even if they once did things like call each other names, or worse.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:03 AM
Would an american be insulted if called him a seppo or would a south african be insulted if called a yarpy?

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:04 AM
pudsterIV wrote:
- Would an american be insulted if called him a seppo
- or would a south african be insulted if called a
- yarpy?

seppo - heard that before, does that mean septic tank?

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
"Flying is not dangerous, crashing is"http://www.airmodel.com/airmodel/Images/stuka_fly_md_clr.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:15 AM
nips the brits called them nips till this day so do i

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:15 AM
Seppo is indeed septic tank.
Rhymes with Yank, and they are short, round, and full of ****. <no offense Yanks, just explaining the slang>
Entirely differant thing though, it isnt an abreviation of anything but an insult.
Jap is the common abreviation of Japan, or Japanese.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:16 AM
I look at it like this,if you say to me "how you going Aussie". I would probably say back "Good mate and you"followed by a smile.

On the other hand if you say to me "how you going Aussie" and then spit on the ground I would most likely kick your *** into next week,see it all depends on your tone of voice or body language.

The differance between a punch in the throat and a hand shake is only a smile away.

Time to get over yourselfs people.


Call me what ever you like just dont call me late for drinks /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

No1RAAF_Pourshot
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~andycarroll68/CA-15%20Kangaroo.jpg

No1_RAAF

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:17 AM
"nips" the brits called them nips , so do i - sometimes little blighters

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:19 AM
Political Correctness is rapidly disappearing up its own ar$e hole in my opinion, i mean what is offensive about it, if you name was Michael or something it is quite frequently shortened to mike or something or Gavin to Gav. So anyone who finds a shortened name offensive really does need to join the real world and grow up. Why on earth would i write Japanese when i can just as easily and without prejudice write Jap.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:21 AM
sloopie is another one
best one i heard was for a chinese comunnist durin the korean war
Chicom
love that one

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:35 AM
BluedogKG200 wrote:
- Entirely differant thing though, it isnt an
- abreviation of anything but an insult.
- Jap is the common abreviation of Japan, or Japanese.

And did you know that it's informal/often offensive? Check your dictionary. And I'm sorry to hear about your Grandfather with respect.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
"Flying is not dangerous, crashing is"http://www.airmodel.com/airmodel/Images/stuka_fly_md_clr.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:52 AM
What I dont understand though avi8or, is WHY?
How, just by removing two letters from the end of a perfectly acceptable word, and using the shortened version instead, with no change of meaning whatsoever, does it suddenly become offensive?
Thats just plain strange to me, I honestly dont get it?.
I'm an Australian, you could call me a filthy colonial for all I care and it wouldnt bother me a bit, I would laugh at you, what is there to get offended about?


Answer that honestly, and you will do a whole lot more than anyone has been able to on the subject in the past.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 11:30 AM
When we play this game (yes, a game ! ) we immerse ourselves in the make believe world of the 1940's. The terms used then fit in to this game's era. Lets not take ourselves too seriously. If the British can laugh off being called Limies by the Yanks, and Poms by the Aussies, then the I see no reason why Jap should be so offensive to the Japanese.

fluke39
11-06-2003, 11:51 AM
Bulls-eye wrote:
- When we play this game (yes, a game ! ) we immerse
- ourselves in the make believe world of the 1940's.
- The terms used then fit in to this game's era. Lets
- not take ourselves too seriously. If the British can
- laugh off being called Limies by the Yanks, and Poms
- by the Aussies, then the I see no reason why Jap
- should be so offensive to the Japanese.


good point and one i was going too make - i think the term "Jap" gets thrown around alot in here due to two reasons

1) the fact this is a 1940's combat sim - and as bulls eye wrote above - due to this alot of the terms used by people then are used by people who play this game/ post on this forum.

2) the fact that internet forums etc - generally cause people to abbreviate things as much as possible - as we all want to say alot but don't want to spend years typing it in immpeccable english



As for whether certain words are offensive or not - i would test it by thinking to myself - "would i say it to the face of a person it applies to..." in the case of Jap - the answer is no, i wouldn't - therefore i consider it offensive to use.

Granted, the level of offence caused is dictated by the context - but i would generally refrain from use of any word, that i would not say to someones face.



<center><img src=http://mysite.freeserve.com/Angel_one_five/flukelogo.jpg>

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 11:59 AM
Bluedog, what your not understanding is the japanese culture, which while slowly becoming looser, so to speak is some many ways still as rigid as it was 150 years ago during the tokagawa era, this is a culture that you can speak japanese perfectly, tone/accent the lot but if your white you have a decent chance of being ignored (if your a stranger), this culture also would say the time is "approx x" meaning it is exactly that time and not approx that time. a culture that loves items/sports from other cultures but doesnt like the people, a culture where its OK to be a hentai (aka a pervert), the list goes on. And yes you probably are a filthy colonial, but comong from a two headed taswegian, i cant exactly speak

Konigwolf

PS does your mum still wear army boots?

"Well, then, I confess, it is my intention to commandeer one of these ships, pick up a crew in Tortuga, raid, pillage, plunder and otherwise pilfer my weasely black guts out!"

Captain Jack Sparrow
Pirates of the Carribean:Curse of the Black Pearl

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 11:59 AM
BluedogKG200 wrote:
- What I dont understand though avi8or, is WHY?

Sorry, I was watching TV series Mayday, it was agreat show/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Anyway, as I already said it's an offensive word in dictionary. There ya go, you still don't get it? Well I've been living here for 10 years since 11 and I have many Australian friends here, but they never call me a jap. But they can if they want to cause they're my friends you see? Because if they do, I'll take it as a joke.
And the word Jap GENERALLY is informal, and rude. Why would you wanna say 'japs' to those tourists? It's rude isn't it? I hope that explains a bit. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
"Flying is not dangerous, crashing is"http://www.airmodel.com/airmodel/Images/stuka_fly_md_clr.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 12:00 PM
Saburo_0 wrote:
- well i'm a Yank, or a yankee if you're from the
- South, but it is true that Jap in American english
- generally carries a very negative connotation.

well I'm a Hillbilly from Ky and I agree with Saburo.....in America it is derogatory. Maybe we should try not to use that word. just my 2 cents.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 12:02 PM
As others have said, with this kind of thing context is everything. An example that springs to mind is that in my native Britain, the term 'paki' to refer to someone of south Asian descent is usually deemed to be pretty offensive, even though you could argue that it's simply short for 'pakistani'.

IMHO it doesn't matter what the derivation of a term is - what matters is whether the people it's used to describe are offended by it or not. So if Japanese people don't like being called 'japs', that's good enough for me.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 12:11 PM
will someone please lock this thread this is ******ed..OH sh&^! im SORRY DID I SAY ******ED! BAN ME

Jap
Nip
******
Sloop
Paki
Yankee
Brit
Redneck
Honky
******
Kyke
List goes on.....................
THERE JUST WORDS WORDS DONT HURT PEOPLE PEOPLE HURT PEOPLE STOP THIS PC BULL...
Man ive seen so many posts get locked or moved for being off topic so why is this tree hugger BS still going on.. OMG DID ISAY TREE HUGGER OMG!!!! Gays can become Bishops but I cant say Jap.... whatever

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 12:23 PM
I agree with you. My ancient father in law refers to people of Jewish descent as Jewboys which I find offensive. On the other end of the scale though, one of our cricketers recently got in a lot of trouble for referring to an opposing player as a black Pr##@. The Pr##@ was not deemed innofensive but the black certainly was. I thought that was crazy.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 12:58 PM
Guys, GUYS!!!
After what the "warriors" of the Imperial Japanese Forces did in China,Korea,Burma,Malaya,New Guinea and The Pacific, and unless the word Jap effect the dm and/or fm the sim, who bloody cares.
You PC freaks think that maybe the sons of Nippon care what we think when they call us round eyes or any other of their xenophobic crap?
I offer a deal to all Japs and their supportors; forget "Jap", I'll forget the Kakoda Track,.....NOT!



Ian Kaiser.
Australian.
Just my opinion.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 01:02 PM
I currently live and work in Japan, and I hate political correctness. However, the biggest difference in usage of such things as yank, brit, kraut, etc is the fact that your refering to a Country of origin. The Japanese are an ethnic group who live in Japan. Using Jap is not just shorthand, it's also a way of refering to the vast majority of the people who live here. Something like 99.4% Most countries are far more diverse in their populations. I never use Jap over here, and I never hear it used at work or off base. When referring to people over here to my family and freinds back home, I always use Japanese or J (jay) , never Jap as I think the people (my girlfreind included) would be offended. Many J would too polite to tell you that they did not like your usage. BTW, Nippon is what the J call their country, Nihongi are Japanese people. Just because *you* do not see how this would offend someone, dosen't mean it dosen't , or that it's just PC garbage.

Good hunting,
Cajun76

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
-Aristotle

Meanwhile, in the 13th century:

BOOM! Yeah, Alright you primitive screwheads, listen up. See this? This is my BOOMSTICK!! It's a 12 gauge, double-barreled Remington. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about $109.95. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right, shop smart, shop S-Mart. YOU GOT THAT!? Now I swear, the next one of you primates, e-ven Touches me..... BOOM!

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 01:06 PM
jap



im gona say it every other post till this thread gets locked
this thread is a disgrace

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 01:09 PM
did you use to post on the sim outhouse? Jap isnt ment as an offensive word like the other guy its just a shortened nickname like

brit
yank
kraut
jap
aussie
pole


<center>http://www.geocities.com/leadspittersig/LS1.txt
Good dogfighters bring ammo home, Great ones don't. (c) Leadspitter
<a HREF="http://www.il2skins.com/?action=list&authoridfilter=:Leadspitter:&comefrom=top5&ts=1068087655"> LeadSpitters Skins
</center>

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 01:13 PM
I'll start typing it all the way out - I did not realize I was insulting someone, just using it in shorthand.

However, instead of half a million posts on people trying to change the world, I'll support your post and refer only to Japanese made aircraft as 'Japanese'

Thanks for making us aware of this possible negative connotation


Salute!

S!
609IAP_Recon

Forgotten Skies Virtual War
Forum: http://fogwar.luftwaffe.net/forums/index.php
Website: http://www.forgottenskies.com
Visit 609IAP at http://takeoff.to/609IAP

http://www.leeboats.com/609/sig/609_recon3.jpg

Agnus Dei, Qui Tollis peccata mundi, Miserere nobis. Dona nobis pacem

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 01:14 PM
jap

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 01:18 PM
Hi,


Perhaps there are Japonese guys amongst us.What do they think themselves?

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 01:28 PM
Some of them have posted already, and said that unless used by a friend *jokingly* or used in a negative connotation, it's ok. However, I don't care for it, even if a freind of mine refered to my girlfriend as a Jap. Diab182 is equating this subject with some personal isuues. Personally, I disagree with AA. It's wrong. Many people don't find anything wrong with using Jap, just as many people used to think nothing of the word ni**er.

Casual slurs are still slurs.

Good hunting,
Cajun76

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
-Aristotle

Meanwhile, in the 13th century:

BOOM! Yeah, Alright you primitive screwheads, listen up. See this? This is my BOOMSTICK!! It's a 12 gauge, double-barreled Remington. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about $109.95. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right, shop smart, shop S-Mart. YOU GOT THAT!? Now I swear, the next one of you primates, e-ven Touches me..... BOOM!

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 01:28 PM
Diab182 wrote:
- im gona say it every other post till this thread
- gets locked
- this thread is a disgrace

You are disgrace then? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Cheers

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
"Flying is not dangerous, crashing is"http://www.airmodel.com/airmodel/Images/stuka_fly_md_clr.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 01:41 PM
Recon_609IAP wrote:
- I'll start typing it all the way out - I did not
- realize I was insulting someone, just using it in
- shorthand.
-
- However, instead of half a million posts on people
- trying to change the world, I'll support your post
- and refer only to Japanese made aircraft as
- 'Japanese'
-
- Thanks for making us aware of this possible negative
- connotation
-
-
- Salute!
-
- S!
- 609IAP_Recon


The only sensible response to a post like this. It is pretty painless to type in 5 more letters as opposed to potentially offending even one person. It has less to bo with beiong PC than with being courteous. We dont hold the Germans who come here accountable for the attrocities of WW2, nor the Russians, nor the Americans...so why should we retain such a derrogatory term in reference to the Japanese. Good post Llama. I know thwere are certain terms that I find offensive, even if said jokingly by my peers (even though some may disagree), and these terms never leave my mouth, even jokingly.



<CENTER>http://www.world-wide-net.com/tuskegeeairmen/ta-1943.jpg <marquee><FONT COLOR="RED"><FONT SIZE="+1">"Straighten up.......Fly right..~S~"<FONT SIZE> </marquee> http://www.geocities.com/rt_bearcat

<CENTER><FONT COLOR="ORANGE">vflyer@comcast.net<FONT COLOR>
<Center><div style="width:200;color:red;font-size:18pt;filter:shadow Blur[color=red,strength=8)">99th Pursuit Squadron

Message Edited on 11/06/0307:43AM by Bearcat99

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 01:49 PM
If the abbriviation is used in a friendly and mature tone then i can't see a problem. I'm a Brit/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif while being English, i dont mind if i'm called a Tommy, pom, limey, Brit, hell you can call me susan if it makes you feel happy

Abriviations are endearing terms as well, like we call Americans, yanks, its friendly banter, just as they call us Limeis. I came across a gaggle of American tourists and ave them a friend "evening yanks", i received a "evening ya limey" which made me smile

If these terms are used gest, fun and friendlyness then theres no problem imo /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 01:51 PM
it has nothin to do with animosity and everything to do with people telling people what to say what to do and its bull. Japanese dont like being called jap thats cool i respect that and i would never be like hey you jap whats up BUT if im NOT talking to a person of that ethnicity and I wanna say a Ki-84 is one hell of a jap plane screw you screw them and screw everyone else im gona say what i want when i want this is like the rest of liberal america thinkin there doin the right thing my friends gay and when i asked him about the new all gay school in newyork he shrieked (like a girl) and it made perfect sense . these idiots who want them to be safe and bla bla bla just pushed them even farther away from the rest of society , morons. This is just the straw that broke the camels back. Affirmitive action is bull, if your good eneough who cares about race or color...PC words are bull .Afro-american? African American? who the F*&( cares if I was black id be like ya im black so what, half the brothers I know dont run around sayin I trace myself back to the congo ..there Americans not Afro, not African, A M E R I C A N S..this country is goin down the tubes fast.



Jap

Hawgdog
11-06-2003, 01:53 PM
Avi8or wrote:
-
- When I was at school one of the donkey-face called
- my mate jap and they started fighting.

Whats a "donkey-face"

<center></script>When your computer goes to hell, tell 'em HawgDog sent it!
http://users.zoominternet.net/~cgatewood/assets/images/sharkdog.gif

There are no stupid questions,
but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots

Hawgdog
11-06-2003, 01:57 PM
pudsterIV wrote:
- Would an american be insulted if called him a seppo
- or would a south african be insulted if called a
- yarpy?


WOW, never heard those either, where does the jargon come from?
Seppo? I cant even guess its origins.
Interesting

<center></script>When your computer goes to hell, tell 'em HawgDog sent it!
http://users.zoominternet.net/~cgatewood/assets/images/sharkdog.gif

There are no stupid questions,
but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 01:59 PM
Tully should really lock this tread

<center>http://www.geocities.com/leadspittersig/LS1.txt
Good dogfighters bring ammo home, Great ones don't. (c) Leadspitter
<a HREF="http://www.il2skins.com/?action=list&authoridfilter=:Leadspitter:&comefrom=top5&ts=1068087655"> LeadSpitters Skins
</center>

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 02:00 PM
I am japanese and for me Bearcat summed up this issue pretty well.


Bearcat99:
The only sensible response to a post like this. It is pretty painless to type in 5 more letters as opposed to potentially offending even one person. It has less to bo with beiong PC than with being courteous. We dont hold the Germans who come here accountable for the attrocities of WW2, nor the Russians, nor the Americans...so why should we retain such a derrogatory term in reference to the Japanese. Good post Llama. I know thwere are certain terms that I find offensive, even if said jokingly by my peers (even though some may disagree), and these terms never leave my mouth, even jokingly.



I think its true that there are worse names for Japanese people but i also think that to say jap is just an abbreviation is a little naive. "Jap" has a definite meaning for many people and that it isnt positive. Therefore i think that it if possible its worth avoiding.

Hanshintiger

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 02:02 PM
I wonder if we should not all chant together ..

"sticks and stones may break my bones but ... you know the rest right ??

just never call me late for dinner !!!


One of the resons the relationship is so special between the Japaneses and Koreans might have something to do witth the fact that the Japanese had enslaved them to build the war machine .. not only that, but took every tree they could for lumber .. to this day you can travel in Korea and not find a tree older than 50 years.

Funny I noticed a comment made by a Jew to the effect of "compared to the average Jew" ....HAHAHA .. somewhat stereotypical no ?

CC

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 02:09 PM
haah ever see southpark me and my jew friend are like them to its so funny hes like shutup you Nazi im like screw you jew hes like lest I didnt kill hall the jewish race im like whatever ann frank got a free train ride out of it ..he got mega pised at that one though so i let him call me hitler for week or so...see what I mean though WHO CARES HES A JEW IM OF GERMAN DECENT AND WE MAKE FUN OF EACH OTHER ALL THE TIME BUT WHO CARES!!!! in the end were best friends and when i get mad I do say it in a bad way but WHO CARES the best was when me and his family where earin Yom Kipur dinner and he wouldnt pass the monkey brains (matza soup) and by accident i told him to stop bein a jew hahaha his mom was like Pass the SOUP TO YOUR FRIEND!

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 02:10 PM
Tully__ wrote:
- I'll be considering it on a case by case basis,
- based on context. There is clearly to much that is
- vague in the issue to have a hard set rule that will
- work.
-
- Salut
- Tully
-


Agreed & therefore I wouldn't use the word unless I really knew the person I was communicating with simply because taking offence is a very subjective thing. I would never use it over the internet as I have no knowlegde of the other (perhaps Japanese) gamers attitudes or feelings towards it. It can be difficult to interpret the context & to know exactly if it was said/written/chatted with love & respect. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

S!

M0NS (authorized P39 pyrotechnician)



"Blow up the outside world"

http://www.flugwerk.de/images/01k.jpg
My garage!

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 02:12 PM
I'm Japanese too. I'm only bothered by the term if someone means it in a mean spirited way. Some of the justifications here are ridiculous though. Because you are playing a WWII sim, it's OK to call us Japs because that's the term they used in WWII? So, if I start playing the new Back to Bagdad game in MP as an Iraqi, am I justified in calling Americans baby killing terrorists? After all, that's the view of the Iraqis.

As for the post about Tojo and others at the Yasikuni shrine, yes, I think it's a shame that certain people were allowed to be enshrined there. However, you must remember that it was MacArthur who allowed that to happen in the first place by refusing to prosecute anyone connected with the Imperial family. Instead, he railroaded and executed General Yamashiita(sorry for second i, stupid editor), perhaps Japan's best general and certainly the most honourable.

Anyway, if you want to keep using the term "Jap" or "Nip", it's not like I can't stop you. Just don't get angry when I call you an Imperialistic war monger.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 02:15 PM
haha right on well spoken call me what you want as long as your not hurtfull who cares!

let me start ..is anyone here irish?? my friend said somethin about you guys havin a curse?

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 02:17 PM
Llama_Croft wrote:
-
- ¿€¯ *, ¿€¯ *, ¿€¯ ¿¤ (´ ¿¤).
-
- ¿€¯ *, ¿€¯ *, µ³ ¿* €ç€ *.
-
- (You will need the Korean character set to view this
- sig.)

Llama_Croft, let me correct your sig.

µ³ ¿* €ç€ * -> ³¿* ¦€ *

Hope you enjoy Korea. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

We got good substitude for 'Jap' in Korea, uhh.. you can ask your friends. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


-------------------------------------------------------------
<font size = 1>
=815=Squadron in South Korea
http://cafe.daum.net/il2sturmovik
</font>

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 02:27 PM
sukebeboy wrote:


So, if I start playing the new Back to Bagdad game in MP as an Iraqi, am I justified in calling Americans baby killing terrorists? After all, that's the view of the Iraqis.


No ... you would only be justified if you called them, school building, plumbing restoring, bridge building liberators of a highly oppressed people... the view you mention is that of the few bathist thugs loyal to hussien who now no longer enjoy living in hte lap of luxury at the cost of their nieghbors


Funny .. I was in a bar near Tokyo in the early eighties, this drunken Japanese ( to young to have been around in WWII ) guy comes over and asks me .. "do you remember Hiroshima ??" .. my response with a smile was "sure ... you remember Pearl Harbor ??


CC

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 02:29 PM
whatever we saved them a lot on there electric bills with all the glowin japs after ahhahaha joke joke joke joke

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 02:33 PM
Wow, you guys really are like lemmings. The USSR propaganda machine had nothing on the US one. You really do believe in the innate wonderfulness of the good ol' US of A, don't you? I'm so glad I went to Canada to study English instead of the US.

Incidentally, I read that the US might be starting the draft again. Hope you are called up so you can go "liberate" some Iraqis in the name of God, Country and Haliburton.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 02:35 PM
the best was when during a cnn briefing during the war a chinese reporter said this is great ! the staff officer said ya he gives a good brief chicom says hah no no no i mean we could learn alot about propaganda from you! hahah luv that one true story to



jap

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 02:36 PM
I'm sure the mods are watching this thread carefully. Good opportunity for anyone looking to get banned by telling off color jokes. I find it better to not offend someone, than to disgrace myself and say something that may deeply offend another person and then try to apologize for something that I shouldn't have said in the first place.... I'm all for free speech, but I don't yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater.... My words and actions have consequences, even if I don't see them directly.

Good hunting,
Cajun76

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
-Aristotle

Meanwhile, in the 13th century:

BOOM! Yeah, Alright you primitive screwheads, listen up. See this? This is my BOOMSTICK!! It's a 12 gauge, double-barreled Remington.
S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about $109.95. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right, shop smart, shop S-Mart. YOU GOT THAT!? Now I swear, the next one of you primates, e-ven Touches me.....

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 02:37 PM
Aww, you guys is just sour... If you'd contributed to the campaign, you'd have a lucrative contract in Iraq too!

Bruno Weiss

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 02:39 PM
We are allowed to (virtually) shoot down all the Japanese we want. We can bomb their installations, shoot their convoys, even mow shoots when the bail out of their planes. We can (virtually) kill them by the thousands.

But please use the correct language when refering to and discussing how we are going to (virtually) kill them.

I love this planet.



"Official Lancaster Whiner"

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 02:39 PM
banned? ever hear of routing through another ip? wow musta never got banned from a forum before huh? are you guys all French or somethin? oh im sorry did i offend someone?



Jap
Frog

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 02:40 PM
oh and btw jap also means jewish american princess i should know I banged one.



Jap
Frog
Towel Head

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 02:46 PM
If a person were to get banned, dosen't anyone think that that person was probably either breaking forum rules, or offending someone? If one dosen't have the sense to realize that they are being offensive, then they should shut up until they have some. Kinda like if you didn't shower, and you're smelling kinda ripe, but you don't realize it until your buddies clue you in.

Good hunting,
Cajun76

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
-Aristotle

Meanwhile, in the 13th century:

BOOM! Yeah, Alright you primitive screwheads, listen up. See this? This is my BOOMSTICK!! It's a 12 gauge, double-barreled Remington.
S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about $109.95. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right, shop smart, shop S-Mart. YOU GOT THAT!? Now I swear, the next one of you primates, e-ven Touches me.....

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 02:47 PM
sukebeboy wrote:

- Incidentally, I read that the US might be starting
- the draft again. Hope you are called up so you can
- go "liberate" some Iraqis in the name of God,
- Country and Haliburton.

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt .. dont believe all you see or read .. how far have you traveled from your birthplace ?? just curious ??

CC

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 02:47 PM
i think this whole post is in violation this is so off topic its ******ed...oops there i go again

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 02:49 PM
Hmm, I also understood that the majority of Japs were actually descended for North Koreans, so aren't they all one big happy family just having a squabble like siblings do? And hey, isn't that true of us all? I'm African (I was born in Uganda now in UK) but I'm white. Would people be insulted if I called myself African British - or more correctly African Welsh? If I lived in the US would I have more of a right calling myself African American than, say, any black person there? I call myself Welsh because I'm proud of my heritage and laugh at all welsh sheep jokes (some of you will know what I mean) because I find them funny. I am a member of the human race so call me what you will, and I'll call you what I want to because if I cause offence knowing that I will or meaning to, doesn't that lessen me?

I'm not trying to be controversial or provoke/continue an argument, but this discussion is all rather pointless. It comes down to this. If you are upset over something someone says, think about whether or not you are being upset because you think you ought to be, or if you can say "whatever" and shrug it off. If you are genuinely upset say you are upset in a polite way. If you are the person being (inadvertently) the cause of the upset, understand the other point of view and do not respond impolitely. Simple.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 02:53 PM
This is very strange.
I fail to understand why adult people get offended by being called names, their countries being called names, their mothers being called names...

If someone uses dirty words while adressing another person, it is not the addressed person who should feel hurt... It is the author of the "offending" statement who just lets the rest of the world judge his niveau... If I drive a car and a small dog tries to bite the tyre, the dog gets hurt not the car...

So if someone is calling names, he is punishing himself in the eyes of the other, by demonstrating his own misery and lack of arguments... Banning/punishing on the base of someone's ways of expression is very close to censorship, IMHO. If someone calls you names, well, just don't listen to him and you feel much better.

Repeating the same word intentionally, despite being aware of its emotional side effects, falls however IMHO into the cathegory of calling names - it is just extremely low level.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 02:59 PM
Your dumb if you let yourself be affected by the words of an idiot.


Jap is just a word. If it offends you, its because you want it too.


<font face="Courier New">

_____ | _____
_\__(o)__/_
./ \.

</font>

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 03:05 PM
WTE_Konigwolf wrote:
- Bluedog, what your not understanding is the japanese
- culture, which while slowly becoming looser, so to
- speak is some many ways still as rigid as it was 150
- years ago during the tokagawa era, this is a culture
- that you can speak japanese perfectly, tone/accent
- the lot but if your white you have a decent chance
- of being ignored (if your a stranger), this culture
- also would say the time is "approx x" meaning it is
- exactly that time and not approx that time. a
- culture that loves items/sports from other cultures
- but doesnt like the people, a culture where its OK
- to be a hentai (aka a pervert), the list goes on.
- And yes you probably are a filthy colonial, but
- comong from a two headed taswegian, i cant exactly
- speak
-
So, this culture which is so exclusive to outsiders, and that doesnt like other peoples, expects those other peoples to change the way they speak/type because it might offend them?? Err, OK, that makes sense.
It's the whole double standard that Im talking about.
Run amok in the Pacific and China, massacre a heap of people, enslave others, mistreat the rest,as a nation/people never even show remorse, then ,60 years later get upset because people on the internet dont show the propper respect to the men who did those things....c'mon, get a grip.
It offends me that the lives of so many people and their sacrifices are being asked to be forgotten, because to me, that is what is being asked.

- -
- PS does your mum still wear army boots?

Nope, still struts about in her regiment T shirt occasionally though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 03:13 PM
I had a buddy in the Navy (in the 70s) that was from Alabama and 100%
jap ..He had a thick southern drawl and drove a pickup had a C.B. and his handle was Jabber Jap...

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 03:27 PM
hah,so funny,Jap is little Jap,Jap is the aggresser!

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 03:33 PM
Diab whatever..........seriously ..........dude............SHUT DA F**K UP!!! I've been reading your dumb @ss sh!t for the past 3 pages and you obviously got issues, loser *******.


And I personally can't understand a lot of the tone of this board. ..who gives ya'll the right to decide WHO gets offended by WHAT. Any idiot knows wars have started over mere words. The word "Jap" might seem like just abbreviation, but during WWII it took on negative connotations that still linger today...as shown by many posts today. Coming from Americans it is a putdown. That's generally why certain words offend people, not just the frickin letters on the page, but the history represented by those words(and the people using them). A person suggests something as a gesture of respect, and ya'll just start flippin.

This isn't an issue about PC, it's just about respecting people who visit our online community. If you can't understand that, its probably because you've never been in a situtation where you were tremendously outnumbered.





Message Edited on 11/06/0302:35PM by jollies

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 03:46 PM
(This isn't an issue about abbreviated word useage to make typing less a chore, it's just about respecting people who visit our online commune. If you dont wan't to understand, its probably because you'll never be in a situtation where you are tremendously outnumbered.)

Jap will always be easier to type than Jappanese. Any sane and intelligent person will be able to conclude whether its use is offensive or just shorter.

361st Shrek




Message Edited on 11/06/0302:47PM by mudder_fudder

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 03:46 PM
Funny,,,,it's prefectly acceptable to call people you are at war with anything you want....'politically correct' has no meaning in war. Once the war is over then all the offensive names we call the past enemy are now "politically incorrect".....funny because these are the same people yesterday we were calling all kinds or offensive names.
What really get's sticky is when you are fighting for one side in a divided country---Korea, Vietnam....what you call the enemy then should be offensive to the people fighting with you......I believe there is a line in the movie "Steel Helmet" (Korean War) where the American soilders are about to shoot someone who yells at them, "Don't shoot...me no **** me South Korean".....now that's ironic.
In the end I think it's just best not you use terms that are known to be offensive because it serves no good purpose and promotes unnecessary bad feelings.

"Nothing difficult is ever easy"

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 03:49 PM
I call um Jap AC No offence ment

I just dont feal like typing Japan or Japanese Sorry


We could call um RB= Rice Burners /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



<CENTER> http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_109_1065290873.jpg </center>

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 04:01 PM
BluedogKG200 wrote:

- So, this culture which is so exclusive to outsiders,
- and that doesnt like other peoples, expects those
- other peoples to change the way they speak/type
- because it might offend them?? Err, OK, that makes
- sense.

Bluedog,

I think this is more of an issue for Japanese-Americans than it is for Japanese nationals. For Japanese-Americans, I would imagine the word has very negative connotations, following the war, mass internment, post-war racism etc. The fact that they find the word offensive, should be reason enough to avoid it. They never killed any of your relatives in the Pacific.

Now, as far as Japanese nationals go, respect goes both ways. Japanese society is about as xenophobic as they come. So in this particular debate, I don't see how they get a vote. Sorry, but if you're a pot, you don't go calling the kettle black.

It is curious that people argue about which words are acceptable to use, instead of focusing on the intent behind the words. Any racist can easily make any word sound offensive. Having a list of "approved" words can never solve the problem of racism.


--
Joques
Ok, so you've got a Yak
That don't impress me much

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 04:08 PM
it brit/yank/jap are used in a way such as "you dirty ****" or get out of hear you ***" then they should be got rid of and not allowed but it its a i like flying this jap plane than thats ok.

also i dont like when people say that all the japanese were brainwashed and so on i dont want to start an argument but they were fighting for thier countries survival and with propaganda made them think that americans were evil then it was still the same the other way around with propanganda to us in thewest all germans and japanese were evil

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 04:16 PM
Hey Pall Americans are Evol take it from me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

j/k

<CENTER> http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_109_1068129235.jpg </center>

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 04:17 PM
fiestapower wrote:

- also i dont like when people say that all the
- japanese were brainwashed and so on i dont want to
- start an argument but they were fighting for thier
- countries survival and with propaganda made them
- think that americans were evil then it was still the
- same the other way around with propanganda to us in
- thewest all germans and japanese were evil

Dont want to fuel an argument that you do not want to start, but ..

The Japanese were hardly "fighting for their survival" .. they were attempting to conquer the pacific rim .. and until the US got involved, were doing a pretty damned good job of it.

CC

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 04:19 PM
As I understand, the US cut the Japanese oil supplies off. Japan treated this as an unprovoked aggression and answered with war.