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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 07:25 AM
I had a 9700 in one of my gaming computers ,I just put an nvidia 5900 in it and it is a world of difference ,the 5900 is so stable,the 9700 crashed my computer every time I played fb ,even tho I put in an extra fan in the case , left an extra space, ect.the colors in the 5900 are really nice,good frame rates too,I am totally sold on the 5900!the 9700 was the last ati card I will ever buy.the 9700/9800 look great on paper but in the real world I dont agree.this was just my opinion,and my experience,and when you have to pay to talk with customer service (with ati) if you have a problem(after you have it more than 30 days) that is purely not a company I ever want to deal with again.

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 07:25 AM
I had a 9700 in one of my gaming computers ,I just put an nvidia 5900 in it and it is a world of difference ,the 5900 is so stable,the 9700 crashed my computer every time I played fb ,even tho I put in an extra fan in the case , left an extra space, ect.the colors in the 5900 are really nice,good frame rates too,I am totally sold on the 5900!the 9700 was the last ati card I will ever buy.the 9700/9800 look great on paper but in the real world I dont agree.this was just my opinion,and my experience,and when you have to pay to talk with customer service (with ati) if you have a problem(after you have it more than 30 days) that is purely not a company I ever want to deal with again.

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 07:26 AM
Here we go again.....

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Zayets
10-13-2003, 07:28 AM
Yep

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 07:30 AM
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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 07:31 AM
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Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 07:36 AM
White,

You'll probably get accused of being me. Just ignore them../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 07:38 AM
Glad it works for you /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Not a valid statement to say ati's cards are worse though.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 08:06 AM
RBJ Is that You ?

And since I have both cards I do know that this is a Lie !

"the colors in the 5900 are really nice,good"


Both are great cards but this troll statement only comes from someone who never used both cards on the same computer because, The colors of a 5900 are washed out compare to a 9700 !

Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 08:10 AM
No there not, and I did try both cards on the same system.

If you think the colors are washed out on the 5900. You didn't try the latest drivers.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 10:40 AM
I can sniff he never owned an ATI card really /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Good flame bait /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Be happy with your 5900

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 02:37 PM
The 5900 is more aimed at the ATI 9800Pro. Its hard to compair the two cards in a feature for feature, frame per frame kind of way. The 9700Pro was out some five or six months before the FX 5900.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 03:18 PM
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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 03:48 PM
white93 wrote:
- I had a 9700 in one of my gaming computers ,I just
- put an nvidia 5900 in it and it is a world of
- difference ,the 5900 is so stable,the 9700 crashed
- my computer every time I played fb ,even tho I put
- in an extra fan in the case , left an extra space,
- ect.the colors in the 5900 are really nice,good
- frame rates too,I am totally sold on the 5900!the
- 9700 was the last ati card I will ever buy.the
- 9700/9800 look great on paper but in the real world
- I dont agree.this was just my opinion,and my
- experience,and when you have to pay to talk with
- customer service (with ati) if you have a
- problem(after you have it more than 30 days) that is
- purely not a company I ever want to deal with again.
-
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I find sad to say this but i think that you are one of the spamers who work for Nvidia in Forums , your posts are always about the same in all forums with "one of my gaming computers " ,9800 look great on paper " ,9700 crashed my computer " you have to pay to talk with
- customer service (with ati)" , you guys never ask for Help for fixing your problems but only bash ATi .

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 04:06 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- White,
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- You'll probably get accused of being me. Just
- ignore them../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
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That is funny Buzz./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Aren't you just a misunderstood good-guy troller? All it takes is some real Joe Personality!

Another month from now when you have over a 1000 posts...there will be NO misunderstanding the real you. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 04:25 PM
Make no misunderstanding with me. I know you're above this poster.

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ZG77_Nagual
10-13-2003, 04:29 PM
He ain't you Buzz.

White - assuming you are for real - a normal person would've rma'd the card. ATI is very good about that - but I don't know if you even had an ati card. I've run the 9700 and 9800pro on about a zillion machines.

well,.. anyway..ever shaved a chipmunk?

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 04:35 PM
Does your board support 8X AGP? Are both cards running 128MB Ram? You should never leave an "empty space" if by that you mean a PCI slot cover open, it ruins the proper air flow.

I agree that the NVIDIA5900 is fantastic, but I am running a Radeon 9600 on a 4X AGP board with an AMD 1.1GHZ and only 512MEG DDR RAM. At 1024X768 with MAX graphics settings including "Perfect" ground detail, Forgotten battles runs smooth as silk on a baby's wet bottom on a Slip-N-Slide!

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 05:34 PM
"Radeon 9600 on a 4X AGP board with an AMD 1.1GHZ "


Similiar to my setup

is a Radeon 9600 better than a geforce 4 4200ti 128 (msi) ?

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 05:41 PM
VW-IceFire wrote:
- The 5900 is more aimed at the ATI 9800Pro. Its hard
- to compair the two cards in a feature for feature,
- frame per frame kind of way. The 9700Pro was out
- some five or six months before the FX 5900.
-

5800 was aimed at the 9700 PRO. 5900 is supposed to compete with the 9700 PRO, 5900 ULTRA with the 9800 PRO.

NV38 will compete with the 9800XT.

9700 PRO is in every way better than the 5900 (non ULTRA)

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 05:44 PM
Two questions,

1:- Do they both work, and more importantly

2:- Who really cares as long as "1" is met.

AHS_Kristorf

Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 05:47 PM
Buzz history.

Started IL2 with a GF4

Switched to 9700 Pro

Switched to 9800 Pro (it was free)

Switched to 5900 Ultra ( it was hardly free)

Switching back to a 9800XT Pro (yep it's free again)



Now you know i've tried them all, and i'm ending up with ATI. (sorry ray).


Stay tuned. Soap opera continues.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 06:10 PM
Well that was unexpected.

Say, you wouldn't happen to still have that 9800 Pro, by any chance?

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Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 06:11 PM
Sorry Harry. That went with my last system.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 06:21 PM
I have both cards ....
they are both good ...
are you sure your not "super RBJ"
lol just kidding .rbj

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 06:23 PM
Hans-57,

I have a setup quite similar to yours, but I can't push the graphics settings nearly that far and have it be playable.

Could you possible list your settings for the 9600 control panel and your settings inside fb, please? Which driver? What resolution? If you could give me some info, it would be a great help.

Thanks much.

pilgrim

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 06:30 PM
I have used ATI for years, and have not had the problems of which many speak. I have never been the first on my block to change drivers the instant they come out, I wait to see what others experience before making that decision, such as what just happened with the 3.8 change. 3.7 works nicely on my 9700pro, so no reason to change. My 7200 on my server comp works best with drivers that are now probably 2 years old, 'bout old as the card. I've had one Nvidia card, a T3-500, and did'nt care for it, but this would not prevent me from trying another, depends on the reviews it gets, and whats on top at purchase time. This seems to me to be the most sensible approach to this issue. Anyone who would refuse to consider all the possibilities when spending $300-500 is a fool IMHO, and this goes for ANY component in a gamer comp.
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ZG77_Nagual
10-13-2003, 06:32 PM
Buzz, please ship me your 9800xt immediately upon receipt - you should have to pay.

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Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 07:12 PM
In a way I did pay for it by overpaying for the Falcon to begin with. I'm just getting some of it back now../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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ZG77_Nagual
10-13-2003, 07:18 PM
Okay - well if guilt starts gettin the better of you I'll be happy to help you out /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 07:23 PM
Thanks for the offer, but Buzz doesn't do guilt../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 07:34 PM
Voodoo 2 cards still work.............. Does that mean you want one?

ZG77_Nagual
10-13-2003, 07:39 PM
So - back on track - Buzz - Falcon has like given you a subscription to whatevers the latest and greatest vid card? (speaking as a person who has spent exactly $242 on my home computers in the last five years)

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Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 07:45 PM
Not really. They gave me a 9800 on my first system, because the 9700 had a conflict with the MB. The 9800 used a different chip and didn't conflict.

On my present system they recommended the 5900 Ultra over the 9800. It was their decision so they have to live with it. With the problem nvidia is having with DX9 games, they see they made a mistake. To keep the customer happy. They will exchange a XT for anybody not happy with the 5900. I haven't made the decision to do this for sure, but I probably will.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 08:09 PM
HELLO, WHITE93 , HELLO ARE YOU STILL THERE ?

WHITE93 1 Post --------- Buzz 25th 7 Post

Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm ! - LOL

Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 08:13 PM
Where do you get 7 posts?

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 08:27 PM
Hey Buzz Im not flaming you Bud ,
I am wondering if old White93 is sitting back and Laughing at the ATI vs NIV. war he has started. And what I call Post you might call reply.

You used to be a Hell of a Nice guy Buzz , What happened ?

Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 08:33 PM
What did I say to change your mind?

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 08:33 PM
I'm staying out of this /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 10:52 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- Buzz history.
-
- Started IL2 with a GF4
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- Switched to 9700 Pro
-
-
- Switched to 9800 Pro (it was free)
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- Switched to 5900 Ultra ( it was hardly free)
-
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- Switching back to a 9800XT Pro (yep it's free
- again)
-
-
-
-
- Now you know i've tried them all, and i'm ending up
- with ATI. (sorry ray).
-
-
-
- Stay tuned. Soap opera continues.



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ZG77_Nagual
10-13-2003, 11:23 PM
hmmm. pretty good for falcon.
The xt will, I think, be basically an overclocked 9800 pro - with more stringent ram and gpu specs and a thermal sensor in the core. Should be very slick coupled with the overclocking utility they've built into their new drivers - which will run the core at maximum happy temp. I'll be interested to hear your opinion.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 11:54 PM
oeqvist wrote:
- Voodoo 2 cards still work.............. Does that
- mean you want one?
-
-

I remember when these cards first appeared. It was a leap forward for what we have now with OpenGL. 3dfx was a great company at that time.

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 11:57 PM
I just have to tell you guys what clocks I'm pulling from my little sapphire 9800nonpro: 440/380 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

stock except bios flash and a dual 80mm card cooler. all for $240 2 months ago.

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 12:01 AM
Nice! Now let's get some LOMAC shots! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 12:03 AM
I got some up on lomac in general phoenix /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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ZG77_Nagual
10-14-2003, 12:34 AM
Rogo - I'm getting 400/360 with no added cooling - tell me what kind of coolers you are using. (it does 425/360 np, just being safe - and its a pro)

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 12:40 AM
Nagual

I have this one (at the bottom-the dual 80s):

http://www.thecardcooler.com/shopcart/CardCoolers/CardCoolers.html

But I have a server chassis that is HUGE and I have 3 coolair 80mm intakes blowing through the HD bays (one HD per bay in the middle) and the bottom one blows the cool air directly over the VGA PLUS the two 80mm sitting directly over it so that air is moving over the HS, RAM, and basically the whole card ALL the time /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I just ran the develek 3d source for an hour and only had little white circular artifacts (hardly noticable) with no artifacts in game /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

and it was 444/390.

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Message Edited on 10/13/0305:00PM by Rogodin

ZG77_Nagual
10-14-2003, 12:50 AM
Wow! no ramsinks! That's great - I put ramsinks on my 9700 nonpro - and a zalman hp80a and was getting monster overclocks from it with no artis - 360 seems about as happy as the ram will get without some more cooling - I know I got nearly another 50mhz out of the ram on the 9700 - just with some little aluminum sinks (up around 375 or so) I havent' really hit a limit on the gpu yet. This card was a freebee - and I have the 9700 for backup (overclocked it matches the 9800 pro) I should push it some more. Maybe time to replace the old lian li case - had it about 3 years now - very nice big aluminum case but needs a few more holes. hmm.. I do have an old compaq 3000 server chassis at work - it's on wheels and about a foot wide - weight around 80lbs - most assuredly and excellent fan-farm.

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 01:02 AM
nagua

I mean 390 for the memory not 490!

now that would be a hell of an oc.

I used to have a sapphire 9700non pro with the 2.8ns and it NEVER oc'd as well as this 9800sapphire non pro with 3.3 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I believe that system temps are very very important and if there isn't enough cool air coming in through the chassis the vga is going to be HOT regardless of the crap on it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 01:13 AM
Popup OT question :

I'm planning to buy a Radeon 9700 pro VGA. Can I have average 50~60 fps in excellent mode?
(need resolution 1280*960. )
My GF4 Ti4200 is overall good but when I go down over big city or forest it drops to 28~32 fps. Ouch, it's a headache.
(Excellent in 1152*864)
I hope 9700 pro maintain at least 40 fps in this situation and if it does, I will buy it.

Need your experience 9700 pro users. Make another ATI fan boy. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 01:25 AM
Right now with teh 3.7s you might be able to pull 1024x768@32 with no aa and no af 50fps "perfect" with a 3+ghz P4 with an 800mhz fsb with some cooking RAM (this is benching though with the black death and you WILL get higher average fps just flying.

FOr example I get around 20fps average just flying @ 1024x768@32bit "perfect" with 4xAA and 16xAF-without perfect I get around 50fps.

My system

xp2100+ @1.9ghz
fsb of 150
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1 gig of pc2700 running 166
120gig WD
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hometheatre
22" viewsonic.


lada lada

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 01:53 AM
I did ask for help,and got every possible fix available,I tried all the drivers including the omega drivers,not one thing changed anything,I have a pentium4 2.0 640 mgs rambus,I just got fed up messing with it,I am just a little ticked off having spent $400 on a card that works very poorly with fb ,which is the reason I wanted a better card,ati released the card(in my opinion)before they had a good driver for it,the 9800 might be what visual orgasms are made of, but I dont trust them enough to take anouther $400 gamble,so I went with someone I do trust,I have always used nvidia cards before,and I am not disappointed again this time.

ZG77_Nagual
10-14-2003, 02:00 AM
Rogodin - I'm doing considerably better in perfect - avg is around 50, maybe a bit higher - at that res with 4xaa sx as - but that's on a 2.4c @ 2.8 - with 2 gig ddr 400 running fb off a dedicated WD raptor. Perfect is flyable online - though it does dip into the 20s low over trees and whatnot.

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ZG77_Nagual
10-14-2003, 02:02 AM
White93 - sorry you had a bad experience with your card - I wouldn't generalize though. Some of the early 9700s - particularly by brands other than saphire or ati - had issue. Mine is great - I have a 9700 non-pro - saphire - that is basically an underclocked pro. Never hesitate to rma a card if you are unhappy with it - and I think ati's warranty is three years.

I hate it when stuff doesn't work but alot of us have had great luck with these cards.

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 03:27 AM
Thanks for your answer.

But, OT Question again more specific.

1280*960@32bit
Detail : Excellent
Situation : some furball(8 to 16? it doesn't matter) at low alt over city or thick forest.

Could Any 9700pro user keep avg 40+ fps in this worst situation? I'm not saying overall average.

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 03:36 AM
Offline, I run at 1600x1200 with 16x AF, no FSAA, and my frame rates are around 30 fps, even over the forests in tight furballs.

Online, however, I have to turn the resolution down a good bit.

I haven't done any testing in 1280x960, however. My monitor is a bit old, and does odd things when I turn it to that resolution.

My computer is an AMD 1800+, 1GB system memory, Radeon 9700 plain with 128mb ram, running on Windows 2000 Pro.

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ZG77_Nagual
10-14-2003, 04:02 AM
I posted my specs earlier - I usually run 1024x768x32 just because with aa theres no reason to run it tighter - don't lose much at higher res however. AF I keep at two because I just don't see that much diff. At these settings in excellent I have no problems at any time. Perfect mode also works well online - but I don't like it when frames fall below 30 so I don't generally use it online.

Even with your rig I think you'd see a hit at that high a res over cities, low online. 9700 pro has alot of overclocking headroom if you cool it right though.

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 06:29 AM
As I have said a few times, I am looking hard at video cards. I will probably order my system upgrade tomorrow (AMD 2800 with Barton core, add another 256 of pc-2700 RAM {total 768), Asus MB with n-vidia chipset, and SB Audigy-2ZS non-platinum.

My question is, so far the best I have found for the 9800Pro is $325 from the place I want to buy from. It is a Powercolor, and I have read that they had some problems with the 9700Pro. Has anyone heard of any problems with Powercolor's 9800Pro? I saw on one review that it was the only 9800Pro that was clocked slightly higher, and it performed well. Is the Powercolor a good buy? The Hercules is around $390, and the ATI, Sapphire, etc. are around $350-360.

Second question; When might the next price drop be on Radeon cards? I would guess around the end of the month. And what is a typical price drop (or expected for 9800Pro series as the 9800XT will be pricey)?

Any help is appreciated, sorry for all the questions.

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 10:51 AM
BlackPhenix wrote:
- oeqvist wrote:
-- Voodoo 2 cards still work.............. Does that
-- mean you want one?
--
--
-
- I remember when these cards first appeared. It was a
- leap forward for what we have now with OpenGL. 3dfx
- was a great company at that time.
-

Exactly my point. It was great then. And it still works. I bet you can play IL 2 FB on it at 640x480x16 with no aa and no anisotropic but does that mean you want one today?

Noone benefits from video card makers straying of and trying to achieve their own standards. Glide was good then because it was so much better than directx and Open GL at that time and the voodoo cards had the power to use it.

But I think it´s better as we have it today with both Open GL and Directx being supported by all video card makers. nVidia just joined the ARB team which is good news for them in the future if they will have any.

Hopefully CG was the last effort to create a new Glide.

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 03:51 PM
oeqvist wrote:
- BlackPhenix wrote:
-- oeqvist wrote:
--- Voodoo 2 cards still work.............. Does that
--- mean you want one?

I am actually still using a computer with a Diamond Monster 3d 2(I think that was the name of it). Pentium Pro 200, 96 megs of ram... runs Quake 2 just fine. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


--
-- I remember when these cards first appeared. It was a
-- leap forward for what we have now with OpenGL. 3dfx
-- was a great company at that time.
--
-
- Exactly my point. It was great then. And it still
- works. I bet you can play IL 2 FB on it at
- 640x480x16 with no aa and no anisotropic but does
- that mean you want one today?
-
- Noone benefits from video card makers straying of
- and trying to achieve their own standards. Glide was
- good then because it was so much better than directx
- and Open GL at that time and the voodoo cards had
- the power to use it.
-
- But I think it´s better as we have it today with
- both Open GL and Directx being supported by all
- video card makers. nVidia just joined the ARB team
- which is good news for them in the future if they
- will have any.
-
- Hopefully CG was the last effort to create a new
- Glide.

I have to agree with Oeqvist on this one. Most of their current problems stem from their crap performance using standard dx9 code. They cant run 24 bit like ATi, and so have to use 32 bit(much slower) or 16 bit(lower quality). Not sure why the hell they didnt see it all coming, but they dropped the ball without a doubt.

On the positive side, their newest drivers are 'finally', about a year after they should have, making good use of the FX lines strengths; without the drop in graphic quality. And the programs I have seen that have used the cg language are pretty amazing.




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