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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 11:36 PM
Why has the Hurricane Mk IIb got Bomb Racks but no Bombs?

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 11:36 PM
Why has the Hurricane Mk IIb got Bomb Racks but no Bombs?

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 11:44 PM
What is also pretty funny is that in the plane sections it says that the Hurricane MKII Field Mod was used as ground attackers if there were not enough IL2's around and could use Rockets and Bombs, yet they cannot carry either one in the game.

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 11:51 PM
I don't think Oleg has thought this one out.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:24 AM
From what I understand, it could use rockets and bombs, just not the Russian ones. That was the explanation I've heard for why the Hurricain can't mount any bombs or rockets; the Russians never had the correct type, and never used them on their Hurricains.

It's gun firepower is pretty good for ground attack, even without the bombs. The 12x.303 set up is excellent for clearing soft targets, and the IIC's cannon did pretty well against light armour.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 06:38 AM
But in the object viewer appears 8x.303...
and I clearly see 2 MGs spaced off the initial 4 in the wind, but they don't shoot /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 12:01 PM
F1NaZZ1 wrote:
- But in the object viewer appears 8x.303...
- and I clearly see 2 MGs spaced off the initial 4 in
- the wind, but they don't shoot.

They work here.

The MK I has 8x.303 and the MK II has 12x.303.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 12:05 PM
HarryVoyager wrote:
- From what I understand, it could use rockets and
- bombs, just not the Russian ones. That was the
- explanation I've heard for why the Hurricain can't
- mount any bombs or rockets; the Russians never had
- the correct type, and never used them on their
- Hurricains.

This comes from the Aircraft section on this website:

"Also, the modernization program called for four to six RS-82 underwing rockets.
The new armament significantly improved Hurricanes capabilities in both air combat and ground attack. It should be noted that it was used as a Sturmovik rather often. Hurricane with modernized armament could easily carry two FAB-100 bombs without any significant impact in performance"

This is info on the Russian Field Mod.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:10 PM
Is Oleg gonna fix this in the Patch?

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 07:42 PM
i certainly hope so, i was most disappointed to see that i could not use a Hurribomber in game.

P.s. all 12 of my .303's are working fine, i think i press both triggers to get the outer 4 going

XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 08:19 PM
Yeah. It took me awhile to figure out that you need to press both tiggers.

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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 01:41 PM
Why does the Fieldmod only have 2 UBS + 2 ShVAK?? I think it's not worth taking it instead of the IIc.

<hr>In March of 1942 Soviet high command ordered a complete overhaul of their Hurricane fleet to bring it to modern standards. Pilot armor was increased, and some other minor changes were proposed. The most significant changes were in the armament. Three variants were suggested: four 20mm ShVAKs, twin ShVAKs complemented with two 12.7 UBK machine guns, and four UBTs. The last variant had the best performance due to the guns low weight, however the first two were ordered into production due to their better firepower. Also, the modernization program called for four to six RS-82 underwing rockets.<hr>

Just again the 3 variants:

1. 4 ShVAK
2. 2 ShVAK + 2 UBS
3. 4 UBT ? (UBT is turret, should be UBS)

We've got #2. #1 would be more punch... Oleg should let us decide what we take like in the 109s (20mm/30mm nose gun). And of course, the rockets /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif . I also noticed that there is *VERY* little ammo in the field mod. Is that right? Even the UBS are empty much quicker than you can say "Universalnyi Berezin" lol.


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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 02:11 PM
The 4x20mm Hispano's have 120 rounds per gun if I recall correctly.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 05:03 AM
were the hispanos more powerful or less powerful then the russian 20mm ,shVAk is it? and same goes for the browning .50cal, is that less powerful then the 12.7mm UBS? im asking because the hurrimkII field mod has (basically) the same armorment as the Spitfire mkIXe x2 20mm x2 .50cal.

XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 08:18 AM
90 rpg for the 20mm Hispano on the Hurri 2C

Hispano is considerably more powerful than ShVAK, it is however rather slower firing and heavier.

.50 Browning is almost identical in power to Beresin, it is a bit slower firing (a lot slower when synchronised) and heavier.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 01:45 PM
http://airforce.users.ru/lend-lease/english/articles/golodnikov/part1.htm

A. S. Nikolay Gerasimovich, if you compare the Hispano-Suiza 20mm cannon and the ShVAK, which was better in your opinion?

N. G. Ours, without a doubt. The ShVAK was twice as reliable. The Hispano simply required an unbelievable amount of maintenance. The smallest exposure to dust, congealed lubricant, or any other kind of little thing, and the gun would not fire. Very unreliable.

The ballistics of our cannon were better. Our cannon had a flatter trajectory, which is significant for applying lead. When you talk about the Yaks, then one didn't even need a sight. The tracers were almost straight, take aim and fire, and where the nose is pointing is where the rounds struck.

Our ShVAK had a higher rate of fire.

Regarding the target effect, these two cannons were about equal. In either case, there was no difference that I could see with the human eye.<hr>

Interesting, isn't it? Why then is the Hispano so much more deadly even with lucky shots where not all 4 shells hit? IMHO the 3 B-20 in La-7 are also *at least* 2 times better than 2 ShVAK. Somehow I've got the feeling that all old weaponry which was in Il-2 is somehow porked. The new guns and loadouts are fine. They are Hispano, B-20 cannon, Bazooka rockets, 500lb & 1000lb bomb. Especially the "old" bombs are a joke compared to the american ones. 4 SC500 can't do what one 500lb does. But also the FAB250 of the P-39... it should be similar to the 500lb, but it's much weaker.



As for the ammunition: The british ones are fine. The IIc doesn't have that much, but it's enough for sure. But take a look at that field mod. Those UBS and ShVAK are dry very quick.

EDIT | Just checked it.

IIc | 4x Hispano 91rpg
IIb fm | 2 UBS 100rpg, 2 ShVAK 120rpg


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Message Edited on 07/15/0302:52PM by Willey

XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 01:56 PM
Interesting info Willey, hopefully it get's fixed in the patch.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 08:01 PM
Fingers crossed.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 09:51 PM
i hope it doesnt, i like the powerful hispanos/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 09:53 PM
We still need the bombs though - We have the Bomb Racks, but just no Bombs.

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 11:31 AM
I would love to see that 4x.50 Hurricane, then I might be considering flying one. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 12:29 PM
You should fly one now - Their pretty cool.

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 12:52 PM
Nah, I want speed and the Hurricane can't deliver in that department.

I am eyeballing the Tempest project for some time now as well as the Spitfires.

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 01:03 PM
I would love to have a Spit XIV, just to show the P-51 boys what life is all about.

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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 10:17 AM
hotspace wrote:
- Why has the Hurricane Mk IIb got Bomb Racks but no
- Bombs?
-
- Hot Space
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-

and why has the P-39 bombs but no bomb rack?

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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 10:18 AM
Dionysos1844 wrote:
- hotspace wrote:
-- Why has the Hurricane Mk IIb got Bomb Racks but no
-- Bombs?
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-- Hot Space
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- and why has the P-39 bombs but no bomb rack?
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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 10:47 AM
Willey wrote:
- The ballistics of our cannon were better. Our cannon
- had a flatter trajectory, which is significant for
- applying lead. When you talk about the Yaks, then
- one didn't even need a sight. The tracers were
- almost straight, take aim and fire, and where the
- nose is pointing is where the rounds struck.
-

I reckon this is modelled. Certainly seems easier to aim the field mod than the 4 x 20 mm Hurricane. There seems to be something about the tracer which makes it very easy to adjust your aim and hit the target. If I fire and miss it seems much easier to correct my aim in the field mod Hurri than in any other ac, where it's often hard to see where the tracer actually went.

As for destructive power, they seem about the same, although I'm comparing the effects of shots at fairly close range with close range convergence set. In those cases either armament ought to do the job. I've not noticed the Hispanos to be overly powerful. If I hit at convergence I expect the target to blow up. The only times I've taken wings off etc, with longer range, less concentrated fire, have been when those parts had already been hit.

Bombs and rockets will be great to have; I was expecting them with FB.

XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 12:38 PM
I have seen photo's of #3 with UBT. It had 2 UBT guns mounted in a turrete just behind the pilot just like the IL2 Field Mod.

Gib

Willey wrote:
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- Just again the 3 variants:
-
- 1. 4 ShVAK
- 2. 2 ShVAK + 2 UBS
- 3. 4 UBT ? (UBT is turret, should be UBS)
-
- We've got #2. #1 would be more punch... Oleg should
- let us decide what we take like in the 109s
- (20mm/30mm nose gun). And of course, the rockets
- /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif . I also noticed that there is
- *VERY* little ammo in the field mod. Is that right?
- Even the UBS are empty much quicker than you can say
- "Universalnyi Berezin" lol.
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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 05:05 PM
The Turret Hurricane was so slow (A Sopwith Camel would of beat it in a race!) That the Russian look at it....and just crapped themselves in fits of laughter.

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