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tsisqua
07-29-2004, 11:26 PM

tsisqua
07-29-2004, 11:26 PM

Dammerung
07-29-2004, 11:38 PM
Yes. Without a doubt. Seriously, WWI would be so fun... All Turnfights, wow... Do a 16 CR42 vs 16 Gladiator/I-153... so fun... Fire it up in the QMB now!

Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
The whole damn place is full of queers, navigators, and bombadiers...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...

ShadowHawk__
07-29-2004, 11:50 PM
Judging by the outstanding support they gave ED for Lock-On, I seriously doubt Ubi's interested in picking up and publishing another flight sim.

I'd buy it without a second thought though, I love WWI aviation, been too long since we've had a sim based on it. Some of the most fun I've had in AEP is flying the J8A around against other older aircraft.
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WUAF_Badsight
07-30-2004, 12:11 AM
ummmm . . . . . .

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WUAF_Badsight
07-30-2004, 12:12 AM
id buy 2 copies

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Dolemite-
07-30-2004, 01:05 AM
Would UBI pick up KOE? Are they considering it? If not then theres nothing anyone can do to save the game, end of the line for KOE.

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arcadeace
07-30-2004, 01:33 AM
I agree. If this is a hope to somehow help persuade UBI I'm very pessimistic, yet even though I'm sick of polls this one deserves honorable mention. I've voted yes. Without a doubt I would purchase it once it hit the shelves.

PikeBishop
07-30-2004, 02:07 AM
As.......I presume many of us (including myself) have already preordered BoB, I think it would be a good idea to get people to do the same for KOE, and if enough orders were made UBIsoft could then finish the game off and release it. I'm sure it won't be as simple as it seems but as a useful venture I cannot see how it can fail.

regards,

SLP

Dolemite-
07-30-2004, 02:33 AM
Alright, your all acting like a bunch of kids who just lost their pet or something and wont give up about it.

KOE is gone, and its not coming back! The doctor had to put her down......... KOE went to a better place, flight sim heaven.

Its best if you just try and keep your mind off it.

Alright?

KOE is gone and its never coming back, ever. So think about something else, like PF, you still have that to look forward too

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269GA-Veltro
07-30-2004, 02:52 AM
Waiting for a maddox WW1 sim. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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Kerosine18
07-30-2004, 03:20 AM
I just voted No for KOE, yet I wished there was an 'in-between' option.

To be honest, WW2 fighters interest me much more and I would be more glad if Ubi and Oleg focused on other WW2 important scenarios rather than changing gear and going to WW1. The Pacific theatre, BoB and Eastern Front show three very different aspects of WW2 and I feel like the Mediterranean scenario would please more people when contrasted with a WW1 sim.

This is obviously my opinion, especially being from Malta myself, I would opt for the Med pack rather than a WW1 sim. But since KOE is now a dream, I hope the Med idea is not scrapped at all. I'm 100% sure people would love it.

Kerosine (alistair)

RotGolem
07-30-2004, 03:51 AM
I'd buy it as soon as it hit the shelves!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

LeadSpitter_
07-30-2004, 04:43 AM
yes in a heartbeat i wanted oleg to make a wwi sim and add it into this great sim.

I have a bunch of books on wwi aircraft specs, pilots history, pilot photos from all nations, aircraft profiles, some cockpit photos and paintings.

If oleg needs it i will send what I have.

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Tooz_69GIAP
07-30-2004, 05:51 AM
yes

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
07-30-2004, 06:15 AM
you mean KOE ? uhm well i dont know
KOE=cow in Dutch http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif
dunno but does a UBI COW give extra milk?
if so yes in a heartbeat so i would sell it to a nice farmer and i would get some extra money out of it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif
heck i would buy the whole UBI stock if so lol

ok enough http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
yes ofcourse i would buy it ,a WW1 sim would be very nice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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SUPERAEREO
07-30-2004, 06:39 AM
I would rush to the shop and buy it if it was available.

We DO need a well-modelled WW1 flight sim...

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SUPERAEREO
07-30-2004, 06:42 AM
BUT is there anyone at UBI thinking about rescuing it...?

S!



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Bearcat99
07-30-2004, 06:44 AM
yes

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Kasdeya
07-30-2004, 07:21 AM
Damn straight I would.

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p1ngu666
07-30-2004, 07:33 AM
buy it whoever published it, like most of the guys here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Inadaze
07-30-2004, 07:35 AM
Definately. I love World War 1 sims. I used to play one helluva lot of Flying Corps. I miss clattering about the sky in a SE5a http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Come on Ubi, U know it makes sense!

Inadaze

PBNA-Boosher
07-30-2004, 08:00 AM
Without a doubt, I would own it the second it came on store shelves.

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Cajun76
07-30-2004, 08:09 AM
yep

Good hunting,
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269GA-Veltro
07-30-2004, 08:15 AM
Do you remember Red Baron II 3D? It had an incredible Dynamic Campaign, and it has been really a great sim.

SE5a is a marvellous bird!

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Mashie_Nibblick
07-30-2004, 08:21 AM
Well, I voted "Good god, yes, yes, a thousand times, yes!" (that was one of the choices, wasn't it?) Sadly, though, I can't see Ubi picking up this particular title, despite the fact they'd have a built-in audience with us lot here. It might be their loss in some small way, but it's OUR loss in a huge way.

269GA-Veltro
07-30-2004, 08:33 AM
This is a very good work for "the new" Red Baron II 3D": The Promise Land.

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Malik_VII
07-30-2004, 09:22 AM
In a heartbeat.

TgD Thunderbolt56
07-30-2004, 09:26 AM
Yup.

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Capt._Tenneal
07-30-2004, 09:32 AM
UBI has a chance to take on the mantle that used to be Microprose's (may it RIP) as the best simulation publisher . They already have IL-2 & LOMAC, as mentioned before. Knights of the Sea and SS III are coming for the naval simmers, KOE will be a nice addition.

CPS_Lav69
07-30-2004, 09:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Inadaze:
Definately. I love World War 1 sims. I used to play one helluva lot of Flying Corps. I miss clattering about the sky in a SE5a http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Come on Ubi, U know it makes sense!

Inadaze<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah Flying Corps by Rowan Soft was a great one for its time. Unfortunatly the one thing that makes this community great is also its biggest adversary. Its size. We are a niche market and it all boils down to money. There is not a big enough demand for flight sims, so this is always a hurdle in their development and quantity.

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tsisqua
07-30-2004, 09:45 AM
Keep in mind that the 3d models for many of the planes was completed. I do not know what program was used to create them, or if they are convertible to 3D Studio Max, but what a waste!

I posted this poll, yes, as a heads-up to Ubi about what could be the opportunity to cover all periods of arial combat, including the era when it began. Don't think for one minute that they are not aware of our interest in the sim. If Ubirazz could be persuaded to bring this to his people at Ubi, and at the very least, get some word on whether or not this is possible, it would be good.

I'm trying to do more here than just whine about the demise of what "could" have been a great title . . . the developement team are working people, with families just like us. To have put so much time and effort into this, only to have it yanked . . . very bad http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Tsisqua

JG7_Rall
07-30-2004, 09:58 AM
I'd buy it just for the planes. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the combat seems sorta limited to TnB only...but that's ok, I'm sure it would still be fun http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So that's a huge YES! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Dammerung
07-30-2004, 12:11 PM
Bumpin this shiz

Vote yes, Jesus, we'll all buy it if it comes out!

Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
The whole damn place is full of queers, navigators, and bombadiers...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...

tttiger
07-30-2004, 12:56 PM
Our whole squad would buy it. We are originally a Dawn of Aces squad and, frankly, many of our members have no interest in WWII and don't fly IL-2, although they stay on our newsgroup.

We've been looking forward to KOE with great anticipation.

ttt

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tsisqua
07-30-2004, 01:58 PM
Well, so far 97% are voting yes. As for this being a niche market . . . yes, I know, but I'm sure that IL2 has made some money, the greatest profit being realized by Ubi Soft. IMHO, KOE would do VERY well among the same people . . . once again, that is imho, perhaps even better than LOMAC. I have LOMAC, and even though WWII combat aviation is my favorite genre, I do enjoy it once in awhile. I would want KOE more, and would play it more than LOMAC, I'm sure. Keep posting your votes, and we will at least be heard here, even if nothing is ever done, at least we tried to show Ubi that it would be worth it.

Tsisqua

darkhorizon11
07-30-2004, 02:04 PM
Personally I'm leaning in the maybe/no direction. But thats just my preference obviously. My only issue is that I wouldn't want to see the BoB and Pacific Fighters release dates pushed back 3 months to so Ubi can accomodate for KoE. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

tsisqua
07-30-2004, 02:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
Personally I'm leaning in the maybe/no direction. But thats just my preference obviously. My only issue is that I wouldn't want to see the BoB and Pacific Fighters release dates pushed back 3 months to so Ubi can accomodate for KoE. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

KOE is a seperate development team from 1C, and would have no effect on any IL2 development, any more than Prince Of Persia, or any other Ubi title that was released this year. It is a completely different project.

Tsisqua

P.S. PT sent to UbiRazz, linking this thread, as well as the thread started by ArgonV about this.

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IV|JG51Flatspin
07-30-2004, 02:49 PM
Not only "Yes, in a heartbeat!" but I might just fly exclusively there. WWI flying is the best IMHO. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

What a dissappointment the scrapping of the project http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I was looking very forward to it. But, it took so long, I'm not suprised they gave up on it.

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IV|JG51Flatspin
07-30-2004, 02:49 PM
Not only "Yes, in a heartbeat!" but I might just fly exclusively there. WWI flying is the best IMHO. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

What a dissappointment the scrapping of the project http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I was looking very forward to it. But, it took so long, I'm not suprised they gave up on it.

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RACFrankenstein
07-30-2004, 02:52 PM
I started out in a RB3D squadron before I got into IL2. I know that there are many members still active in the WW1 sim community (my squadron has 30+ active members and there are at least another 15+ squadrons out there with the same or more) I could pretty much guarentee that each and every one of them would buy a UBI/KOE based sim for WW1. So I vote YES!

PS. WW1 fighting isn't all turn and burn, it depends on the plane. Try turn fighting with a Spad and you'll understand http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

GAF_Hartmann
07-30-2004, 03:11 PM
I would love to see UBI go with a WW1 sim. The best case scenario would be if they made it an expansion or standalone so the whole interface is the same as IL2 is now. UBI would rule the skies. The WW1 sim community is still alive and kicking with RB3D and many of the players that have moved on are in the skies of IL2 now. I am certain there would be a huge resurgence of players wanting to fly the older aircraft. I would be waiting at the front steps of the game store the day it was released. Imagine logging onto HL and seeing WW1 and WW2 servers available... Holy Cow!!! I would be in heaven.

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PraetorHonoris
07-30-2004, 03:45 PM
Of course I would not refuse flying with that generation of German aces. Oswald Boelcke, Max Immelmann, Ernst Udet, Manfred v. Richthofen... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif these names sound goooood.

I'd buy KOE, be sure-

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WUAF_Badsight
07-30-2004, 04:21 PM
is their a email address that we can mail to UBI about this ?

i mean if they got enough requests they are likely to talk about it maby

oh & if i wasnt clear enough the first time

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warweapon2
07-30-2004, 04:26 PM
Yes we nee someone to get this game on the shelves.. NOW :|

capt_frank
07-30-2004, 04:34 PM
hey, like, count me in! would be a definate purchase!

ubi, i hope ur reading this thread... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Airborn_
07-30-2004, 05:50 PM
@Tsisqua: I voted option No.1, thx for the opportunity!

@Xeidos2:

Or/and come up with any kind of a decent plan for the further development1) and financing2) of your promising product and I'll be prepared to shell out $50 in the form of a prepay as well as, I'm sure, are others.


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Ad 2) Here I'd like to hear how to kill all the lawyers involved.. I mean.. how to get rid of the "opponent's" with as little a cost as possible. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Ki_Rin
07-30-2004, 06:25 PM
YES I would....but only if I can have a Fokker D VII made of deltawood carrying mk108s http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

for those of you who are interested, SDOE has a patch not only to allow you to drive ground vehicles, but also to turn the game into WWI sim..

TAK A TAK TAK A TAK A TAK A TAK A

Be nice to get gun jams and be able to clear them, too

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BennyMoore
07-30-2004, 09:46 PM
I'd buy at least one copy, and probably two or three, as I did with IL-2 and Forgotten Battles. I've four copies of IL-2, one of Forgotten Battles, and one of Aces Expansion Pack). And I would try to convince Doomsayer to buy Knights over Europe as well, as I convinced him to buy Forgotten Battles and Aces Expansion Pack.

So, as you can see, people like us can make for a lot of sales.

However, I'd hate to see it finished by 1C. I'd much rather have whoever was working on it originally finish it, unless the company in question happened to be Microcough.

heywooood
07-30-2004, 11:10 PM
http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Bri/SopTripe/Shuttleworth//keh/Avro3RDSCF4851.jpg

count me in - KoE must continue in some form.



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Glazier
07-31-2004, 03:00 AM
I would buy a decent WW1 sim without hesitation. My first flight sim was Knights of the sky on the Amiga. We've not had a decent WW1 sim since RB3d. Long overdue.

butakup
07-31-2004, 06:59 AM
yes I would buy the ww1 sim or even a il2 addon

LW_Icarus
07-31-2004, 07:41 AM
abssolutely,but would be hppier if one of the other developers/publishers picked it up rather than Ubi. they really did shoot themselves in the foot by abandoning lomac before it really had a chance.


but yes. I would love a WWI flight sim. if it were 75% the sim that Il2 was itd be awesome.

DuxCorvan
07-31-2004, 07:57 AM
And the answer is: yes, oui, s*, ja, da, hai, s. Right now.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dammerung:
Yes. Without a doubt. Seriously, WWI would be so fun... All Turnfights, wow... Do a 16 CR42 vs 16 Gladiator/I-153... so fun... Fire it up in the QMB now!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

All turnfights? No.

Sopwiths, Nieuports and Fokker Dr.I were TnB fighters. SPADs, Bristols, Ansaldos, and Albatros work better as BnZ fast fighters, with D.VIIs as good all-round performers.

Effective tactics are more or less the same, only speeds are much lower, distances are much shorter, guns are much weaker, and DM are much more fragile.

Some aircraft were so hard to handle, I doubt a modern pilot would be able to pilot them without a complete conversion. In fact, most casualties were caused by accidents. Early, unreliable, wonderful young machines... when aeronautics were still a science full of mysteries. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

DONB3397
07-31-2004, 08:25 AM
Yes. I think most of us are hard core simmers and combat simmers. Given the versatility of flight models now, and the quality of graphics...the members of this community would buy just to try the experience, even if WW I wasn't a major interest. Who do I write?

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tsisqua
07-31-2004, 10:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>. . . However, I'd hate to see it finished by 1C. I'd much rather have whoever was working on it originally finish it, unless the company in question happened to be Microcough.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I couldn't agree with you more. The loss of livelihoods of the team that has been currently working on this project is the main reason that I posted this poll. I also (selfishly) want a copy on my PC.

I saw what happened to Jane's attack squadron when Looking Glass, the original development team, wasn't the team who finished the sim. Nothing against Mad Dock, who finished it (no relationship to 1C Maddox), but it was like handing a half finished heart-surgery over to another doctor, then leaving the operating theatre. Odds are that he patient will die.

Since it is Saturday, and everyone is home from work, then please keep bumping this thread to the top with your votes, if you haven't voted already. ArgonV, in his post over at SimHQ, expressed doubt about a big publisher picking up the unfinished title. I, however, think it is the only chance that we have of seeing this finished as it was intended to be. Why not Ubi? They already have LOMAC, and the IL2 series. What a tremendous opportunity to cover the entire combat flight market!

I wish that I were the president of Ubi. I'd have called a meeting of the board of directors yesterday!

Tsisqua

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Aaron_GT
07-31-2004, 11:27 AM
"I saw what happened to Jane's attack squadron when Looking Glass"

Boy was that a stinker.

Aaron_GT
07-31-2004, 11:29 AM
Actually by the sound of it Oleg has a very small team. If he could take on more staff some of the KOE team would probably be good recruits. I am not sure how Oleg would be set up for managing a geographically dispersed mutlilingual team, though, but extra programming/engineering knowledge to build up Battle of Britain and then diversify that into WW1 would be a great idea, if unlikely to ever happen.

WUAF_Badsight
07-31-2004, 05:51 PM
oh man this has to stay on the 1st page for at least a little while . . .

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tsisqua
08-01-2004, 08:34 AM
I can't bring myself to allow this to slide to page 2, at least just yet, so . . . .


BUMP

LuckyBoy1
08-01-2004, 09:19 AM
I really think Oleg could bring this game to life in ways that no other developer can. I don't know who got the idea we wouldn't want a WWI flight sim. Jets hold no charm for me at all and I think I'm not alone in feeling that way.

My Grandfather joined the French Foreign Legion at the beginning of WWI, so I have a historic interest in WWI flight sims. However, that is not the main attraction I would have to the game. The challenge of flying the old string-bags is what excites me! Yes, I'd buy it and support it.

Now with an actual index & more fiber! It is newer & and even more improved! It's Luckyboy's Guide For Complete Users!...

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Sturm_Williger
08-01-2004, 10:24 AM
I'd buy it in a heartbeat too. Or a 1C:Maddox WWI sim ... or any WWI sim ( except one I tried recently which turned out to be arcade-only - ugh ! Not even Joystick support http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif )

Just imagine taking up an Eindekker against a recon plane armed with a rear gunner - I can hear the gunner shouting "Uber plane !" over the engine ... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Space_Hippy
08-01-2004, 11:00 AM
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BUMPBUMPBUMPBUMPBUMPBUMPBUMPBUMPBUMPBUMPBUMPBUMP
BUMPBUMPBUMPBUMPBUMPBUMPBUMPBUMPBUMPBUMPBUMPBUMP! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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JAS_Gripen
08-01-2004, 11:23 AM
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123-Wulf-JG123
08-01-2004, 11:25 AM
Just to show how much interest there is in the community here is a poll I posted a couple of years ago at SimHQ:

http://www.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=93;t=006590

F19_Ob
08-01-2004, 01:22 PM
I have loved crapplanes all my life. I guess the rattling, shaking and squeeking sounds affects me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif

The leatherhelmet, goggles and the scarf are appealing too. Beatiful and stupidlooking at same time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

PBNA-Boosher
08-01-2004, 01:33 PM
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I want my SE.5a and D.VII!

Please consider it UBI staff!

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ednew
08-01-2004, 05:00 PM
I've wanted a WW I flight sim with the quality of IL2 since the second day I owned IL2.

Woof603
08-01-2004, 05:04 PM
Yes sir, yes sir, yes sir! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Oilburner_TAW
08-01-2004, 09:17 PM
yes yes yes.. i've been playing a mod for bf1942 called battlefield 1918 www.battlefield1918.de (http://www.battlefield1918.de) just to get my ww1 fix in. Forget the TB3, I want the Gotha!

609IAP_Recon
08-01-2004, 09:23 PM
depends on if it's any good or not.

if so, sure, I'd try it out http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Dawg-of-death
08-01-2004, 10:05 PM
YES. And I would possibly even change my dawgs name to Snoopy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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WUAF_Badsight
08-01-2004, 10:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i know Boosher , i know

it was looking sooo good in the Dev Updates too

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Tooz_69GIAP
08-01-2004, 10:53 PM
Oleg has said a few times in the past that he wouldn't do a WWI sim coz of lack of research material for it. But if UBI were to take on the KOE staff to finish the game, then that would really be awesome!!!!

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
08-02-2004, 04:52 AM
Yes I would probably give it a shot I like old clunky aircraft and would love to do some 'what if' attacks on Zeps and similar.

But I think I would just rather see some more ww1 aircraft included in an il2 /aep type expansion. Other wise it would probably remain an even smaller niche market than this one if it was marketed as a stand alone game.

It would probably only ever hope to attain novelty status within this community and I just don't see people ditching il2 or other more established sims in order to tool about in a bi-plane.

Then again I could well be proved wrong.

Maybe it could be open sourced instead of scrapped ?

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ednavar
08-02-2004, 05:57 AM
It would be plain brilliant!

http://www.finn.it/regia/html/grande_guerra.htm

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nutt3r
08-02-2004, 07:04 AM
i'd buy it straight away http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
i had been looking forward to this game for some time wouuld be real fun to fly those old birds http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Rab03
08-02-2004, 07:47 AM
I voted Yes, but the question should go like this:
"Would you BUY KOE if it were picked up by Maddox games?"

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DuxCorvan
08-02-2004, 08:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Ob:
I have loved crapplanes all my life.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Crapplanes? Nope. They were state-of-the-art by then... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

choxaway
08-02-2004, 08:21 AM
I'd certainly be keen to see it completed and published. Apart from dogfights in the old stringbags, I can imagine attempting assorted ground attacks with all those troops firing up from the trenches, flak bursting all around, and even just competing against the weather where the exposed cockpits left the pilots wet, frozen and occasionally spattered in oil.
Bombs were primitive and occasionally hand-dropped, machine guns jammed, but at least everyone was in the same boat (so to speak).
Landings and take-offs could be tricky (if a strong sidewind was modelled, it could get really interesting) and you had no 'get-out clause'since parachutes,in the early years, were considered cowardly by the chinless wonders in command and weren't approved or issued. They really believed pilots would bail out at the first sign of danger . . .
I'd love to hear the wind whistling around my ears, scarf flapping wildly, spars and wires humming and creaking as I struggle to survive yet another mission when life expectancy was two weeks, tops.
Bring it on, chaps - what a wizzard wheeze . . .


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PBNA-Boosher
08-02-2004, 11:27 AM
Actually, in WW1 the armaments were just one or 2 MG's. So there was no real ripping off of wings unless there happened to be a collision. Most of the time the airframe had many holes in it, but it stayed well enough intact for the pilot to crash land on the ground. However, things like fires, especially in a wooden contraption like a WW1 plane, were deadly as hell, and if knew I was going to be burned alive by the fire before I got onto the ground, there probably would be a very good chace that I'd dive the plane down and either try to put out the fire, or just jump out. However in late 1917 pilots started to be issued parachutes.

In the VVS in WW2, with the 46th Taman Guards Bomber Regiment, (the all female one) parachutes only became mandatory for them in 1944. Most of the girls didn't wear them up to that point because they would have rather died than be captured. However, one crew was killed in 1944 when their plane caught on fire. They dove down to try to land, but within a minute, the fire reached the fuel tanks, and the plane exploded. If they had parachutes, they would have survived.
The same goes for WW1. The High Command realized it was a lot cheaper to keep their pilots and buy new planes, than keep nothing and buy new pilots and planes.

Boosher
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-Gandalf

PBNA-Boosher
08-02-2004, 11:36 AM
My poor, poor SE.5a....
http://www.aspectsimulations.com/Images/Products/KOE_Gallery/Image14.jpg

Boosher
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-Gandalf

tsisqua
08-02-2004, 01:28 PM
Five pages, and still going . . .


Keep posting, folks. If the 50 cal threads get a dozen, or more pages, this should be worth way more. We have no flames, or fighting, or whining here . . . Just a serious request to Ubi that would, in the long run (imo), be wonderful for everyone concerned.

Thanks for taking the time, everyone.

Tsisqua

Fox_4
08-02-2004, 03:00 PM
A WWI flightsim would be unspeakably excellent! A chance to relive all those Biggles memories http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

IV|JG51Flatspin
08-03-2004, 12:19 AM
I loved taking a DH2 up after eindeckers early in the war in Red Baron. Talk about rickety crates...and zipping along at a scary 80mph!!

Mmmmm....please please please!!!

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PikeBishop
08-04-2004, 02:11 AM
What appeals to me is the close in fighting......I want a 'wave key' for when I or my adversary runs out of ammunition, since we'll all be close enough to see it probably. Navigating at low altitude by the pubs and churches.....great fun.
Pip Pip jolly good show.
regards,

SLP

J9-DeadMeat-DK
08-05-2004, 04:21 PM
Yes I want KOE. I currently still fly Red Baron 3D as do many others. Check out www.wings-of-valor.net (http://www.wings-of-valor.net) and www.sqhq.net (http://www.sqhq.net). There are many still intrested in WW1.

123-Wulf-JG123
08-05-2004, 05:06 PM
Nothing better.... Spads & Nieuports v Driedeckers and Albatross ....AWESOME!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
08-05-2004, 06:23 PM
I'd love to fly that Il'ya Murometz, and the Gotha bomber, oh man, ground pounding WWI styl-eeeee

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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AA_Trouble4u
08-05-2004, 08:43 PM
Well a couple of days ago I had hoped KOE would be completed by Aspect but now that it seems to be gone. Being a 6 year vet of RBII/3D I was really looking forward to a new WWI sim especialy all that I read early on about this one. Other than IL-2 and KOE being airplane sims I see little in similarities. The profitabily of UBI taking up KOE is probably slim considering they will either have to rewrite every thing to work on the IL-2 engine or pick up where Aspect left off and finish writing a code they are unfamiliar with.
If UBI put out a WWI sim either way I would buy since there's nothing else on the horizion.

I am having a very difficult time making the transition to IL-2 from RB3D, so many controls! difficult viewing system! and firepower! god lord! I feel like Rambo taking on a small town sherif! I love the simplicity of WWI.

But I am looking forward to PF. since I was a kid the battles and the aircraft of the Pacific have been my favorite war to study.

Tooz_69GIAP
08-05-2004, 08:57 PM
Well, I think what we are trying to do here is get Ubi to take on the Aspect staff, and fund them to finish what they have started.

You have to realise that Ubi is not 1C:Maddox Games. Ubi are a software publisher. They fund developers like 1C to create software which they market, and sell.

What we are trying to do is to get Ubi to take on the publishing or the KOE sim developed by Aspect.

Problems are mainly legal I would think, though. Aspect, as far as I am aware, is pretty much dead, mainly because of the dropping of KOE. Problem is, the rights of KOE are owned by Aspect, and unless Aspect reform as the same entity as they were before, and are able to continue on the KOE development, then getting the rights from Aspect may prove to be rather difficult.

Also, I think there may well be legal issues with the publisher who had signed with Aspect to publish KOE. They may well have some legal claim to the KOE process also. So getting the legalities all sorted could be rather complex.

I'm not entirely sure, but from what I understand, the game is somewhere in the region of 70% complete, and they were supposed to release the game in Q4 this year. So that would suggest if the development team had the funding, and the publisher was all ready to go, then it would only take around 6 months of work to get the sim done. I may be wrong, but that's what the numbers all suggest to me.

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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AA_Trouble4u
08-05-2004, 09:52 PM
According to John MacKay, Aspect simmulations still owns all the rights on KOE and are free to be picked up by another publisher. as I understand it the big problem is the team is all gone to new employment. If Ubi can pick this up the team will need to be reassembled or replaced.

I will start praying that Ubi pays attention to this thread http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WUAF_Badsight
08-05-2004, 10:51 PM
im sure this thread has been seen

if there was any glimmer of interest at all the forum manager might have given word by now either way

im so bummed about KoE

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tsisqua
08-06-2004, 12:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Well, I think what we are trying to do here is get Ubi to take on the Aspect staff, and fund them to finish what they have started.

You have to realise that Ubi is not 1C:Maddox Games. Ubi are a software publisher. They fund developers like 1C to create software which they market, and sell.

What we are trying to do is to get Ubi to take on the publishing or the KOE sim developed by Aspect.

Problems are mainly legal I would think, though. Aspect, as far as I am aware, is pretty much dead, mainly because of the dropping of KOE. Problem is, the rights of KOE are owned by Aspect, and unless Aspect reform as the same entity as they were before, and are able to continue on the KOE development, then getting the rights from Aspect may prove to be rather difficult.

Also, I think there may well be legal issues with the publisher who had signed with Aspect to publish KOE. They may well have some legal claim to the KOE process also. So getting the legalities all sorted could be rather complex.

I'm not entirely sure, but from what I understand, the game is somewhere in the region of 70% complete, and they were supposed to release the game in Q4 this year. So that would suggest if the development team had the funding, and the publisher was all ready to go, then it would only take around 6 months of work to get the sim done. I may be wrong, but that's what the numbers all suggest to me.

_whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!_

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The reason I posted your entire quote here is that you have so eloquently stated . . . much better than I could, what I was trying to get across from my first post, so it bears repeating. What a shame on us if we don't let our voices be heard about how bad we want this sim, if indeed we do want it.

From the results of this poll, the results overwhelmingly favor the majority of us wanting continued development, leading to completion.

Very nice writing, Mate. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Tsisqua

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ArgonV
08-06-2004, 01:18 AM
Yeah really is a HUGE bummer. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I was hoping that someone would come to KOE's rescure but alas nothing...

Well, time to get back to FS-WWI and Richthofen's Skies!

"Go Fly A Kite!"
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woofiedog
08-06-2004, 01:51 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gifI've been watch for this game since I saw it on the Sim's Web page last year. I thought it was coming along pretty good by the looks of the screen prints.
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gifI hope some how it get's a helping hand and back on track.
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gifIt would be a sad lost of all that Great Work going down the drain.

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repco
08-06-2004, 03:06 AM
Bump! I'd love a state of the art WWI sim, Flying Corps getting a bit long in the tooth http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Rab03
08-06-2004, 03:59 AM
Rare are things that would make me as happy as would the news that Oleg&team are engaged in KOE project http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif. As it is right now, only a light touch from above mentioned gentlemen and game turns to gold http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif.

Bump for this thread!

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tsisqua
08-06-2004, 09:11 AM
Bump.

Would be nice to have some good news on this. This has been the most awaited non-Ubi title that I can remember here on this forum. Grasping at straws, or not . . . doesn't matter . . . MUST . . . TRY . . .

Wanting a Spad . . . .
Real Bad . . . . . . .


Tsisqua

AA_Trouble4u
08-06-2004, 10:15 PM
Good news, well kind of. John MacKay posted today that they are not giving up on KOE. The company's president has said that they are getting busy on "Project A" (what ever that is) and once that is completed and released AND depending on its sucsess they will complete KOE. So all hope is not lost, it's just not time to get excited.

WolfOWinter
08-06-2004, 11:09 PM
Just one more BUMP


Completing KOE with out funds(or with limited funds) and with a new team? I guess its possible, but much easier with a full stream of funds....

Of course, I'm doing what I do best, Stating the obvious...

ddsflyer
08-06-2004, 11:38 PM
BUMP! What a terrible shame for everyone if this one falls through the cracks. I know we ALL would buy this one if someone would just finish and market it. Many years with RB3D has made me positively salivate at the prospect of KOE, now I just hope all hope is not lost.

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tsisqua
08-07-2004, 10:13 AM
Since I sent a PT message to UbiRazz, the PT has been viewed at least twice, but no reply. I linked this thread in the post, so it doesn't matter that I haven't had a reply. It HAS been seen.

BUMP

Tsisqua

BennyMoore
08-08-2004, 02:58 AM
Well, that's good to hear about its probable late future release. The bad part about it is that the graphics, already outdated, are going to be horrible by the time it's released.

Oh well... Graphics are not everything. I'm still going to buy it in a second.

WolfOWinter
08-09-2004, 10:01 PM
BUMP