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Willey
04-12-2004, 06:25 AM

Willey
04-12-2004, 06:25 AM

CouGar_01
04-12-2004, 06:57 AM
bump

JtD
04-12-2004, 08:11 AM
I totally agree with this one. Much mor detailed loadouts are a lot of fun.

I desperatly miss loadouts on my Bf 109F, like the MG 151/20 option for the F-2.

-luwi-
04-12-2004, 12:29 PM
Options are unbalanced and without alternative choices. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

-luwi-
04-12-2004, 12:32 PM
Options are unbalanced and without alternative choices. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

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Bobsqueek
04-12-2004, 01:36 PM
Bombs for the hurricane!!!!!

please!!!!

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04-12-2004, 03:32 PM
Three wishes:

1) Allow co-op and DF hosts to force weapon loadout. (e.g. if the mission calls for gunpods, then everybody is stuck with gunpods)

2) Hurribomber!

3) Napalm! In real life any aircraft that can carry releaseable fuel tanks can easily carry napalm.

Bobsqueek
04-12-2004, 03:41 PM
oh yes

napalm and HVARS

please!!!

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Willey
04-13-2004, 02:27 PM
bump

jagdmailer
04-14-2004, 08:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Willey:
I'm starting this poll because I know many players would like more, and of course, more realistic loadouts for their favourite planes in FB. I'm going to ask butch2k some questions about the loadout lists he posted already, and I ask hin to make similar lists for 190A/F/G and other LW planes that he hasn't made such lists of. Then I'd try to pick some choices not to overload FB with thousands of combinations. I'll send it to Maddox then as a suggestion to overhaul the armament options in FB/AEP/PF. I'm just going for the LW planes, so I'd like you all to send Oleg some loadout suggestions and material about loadouts that are wrong or completely missing on other planes (Hurricane comes to my mind instantly). IMHO, overhauling the loadout options in FB is at least as valuable as adding new planes. How would you, for example, like a 109G-6 early without that MK 108, and a separate /U4 variant for the latter ones that could have a 108? This would enable you to restrict planesets with even more detail. Or imagine the Bf-110G-2. Seriously there should be 4 variants. One with MG-17s and MG-151/20s, one with MK-108s instead of MG-17s, one with BK-3.7 instead of MG-151/20s and one with BK-3.7 and MK-108s. That and several loadouts that are missing now, would enhance that single plane much. For instance I can't take MK-108s and 2 AB-500 at the same time. Or MK-108s, 2 SC-500, 2 SC-250 (on the racks where you can have drop tanks right now) and 4 SC-50. That's the maximum loadout it could carry, 1800kg of bombs. All those options would fill up the list quite much, so it's wise to have several types of the same plane with different gun armament. I'm also going to ask for things like 190D with loadouts, 109F-x/B and such. I just want to know whethe the community wants such improvements for FB, so we could get this stuff more probably.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thouroughly supported !

As long as the loadouts are realistic ie. were available for use by front line units on that particular aircraft. I do not personally care if it was little used, limited used, or not popular loadout with crews. If it was indeed available, then please give it to me in the game.

Another issue that I have with current loadouts if I could name only one is Mk 108 30mm only as motor kanone for Bf 109G-10 & G-14.

I have also posted yesterday about several large LW bombs missing, although some of those were done by Xanty for sure and sent to Maddox/1C circa fall 2003:

SD1000
SD1700
PC1000
PC1400
SC2500

And still absolutely nothing for the Bf 109F series. Nadda http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Thanks Willey for pushing this issue forward!

It's getting better, but there is still some work that needs to be done.

JagdMailer

Gryphonne
04-14-2004, 10:47 AM
FW-190 A4/A5 without MGFF would be a welcome addition for some extra performance. (And WITHOUT the friggin bombrack!!)

Regards,

Gryphon

Willey
04-14-2004, 04:59 PM
I'm going to suggest separate 109s depending on the engine cannon (a 109G-10 and a 109G-10/U4 as separate planes for example), and the same for the 110 guns.
As well as 190As with either MGs, outer wing cannons or both removed, without bomb rack. All of these possibilities were seen as fieldmods AFAIK. So maybe we can have an A-9 with 2 20mm and 2 30mm only, or with the same armament the Dora has - those were quite numerous IIRC.
There are still some bombs missing, that's right. But I'd rather have all the existing stuff corrected before adding these. The 2000er is already quite big, and those others don't differ that much from SCs anyway (at least that's what I noticed in FB, except the PC1600 which seems pretty weak against ships). More important would be some loadouts like PB II for a 190F-8/PB or AB24t SD-2 containers (they're like 70kg bombs) as well as SD-2/XII loadout set on ER-4 bomb rack - that's the one Germans used quite much in the beginning of the war, that's 96 single SD-2 bomblets on the ER-4 rack, that also can carry 4 50 or 70kg bombs. 109s and 190s could carry one of these, 190s probably even 3 (with wing racks), and 110s 4 of them (they were dropped in 24 pieces "salvo", 4 drops per ER-4 - 384 bomblets, that can be dropped in up to 16 runs).

I'm also wondering about the Spit V... weren't it able to carry some bombs? I think it was... jsut like the Hurri http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. The Hurri is probably one of the planes that needs loadouts most, as it has already those racks waiting for some shipment http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. The russian field mod for example carried something like 8 82mm rockets + 2 FAB 100 or so for example. I don't have good stuff about all those planes. If you (@all) have some, pls send it to il2beta-at-1c-dot-ru. Everything info on loadouts that are either implemented incorrectly or completely missing should help them out. And the more they get from different users, the earlier they notice that they need to do something about it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

FliegerAas
04-15-2004, 07:55 AM
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TgD Thunderbolt56
04-15-2004, 08:06 AM
The last patch gave us a very healthy addition of loadouts for a number of birds. There are still, however, some loadouts that are glaring in their exclusion. 109F, Hurri are the most obvious, but there are a few others I'd still like to see that figured prominently in the conflict.



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Willey
04-15-2004, 08:12 AM
Didn't the P-51D-20 have those 5" rockets? For the P-47 I know they were first used with the D-30.

No601_Zulu
04-15-2004, 08:21 AM
Bombs For:

Hurricane Mk11b
and
All Spitfires from Mkv upwards

Please.............Please...........Please

We Brits need our Bombs

Monty_Thrud
04-16-2004, 10:01 AM
Please can we have more ordnance for planes, it would add so much more to the game for missions online and off.
I will be sooo gutted if the Hurri-Bomber dosent get its bombs/rockets/extra ammo pods and ditto for the Spitfire and of course all the other aircraft that have none...thanks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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WereSnowleopard
05-30-2004, 06:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Willey:
I'm going to suggest separate 109s depending on the engine cannon (a 109G-10 and a 109G-10/U4 as separate planes for example), and the same for the 110 guns.
As well as 190As with either MGs, outer wing cannons or both removed, without bomb rack. All of these possibilities were seen as fieldmods AFAIK. So maybe we can have an A-9 with 2 20mm and 2 30mm only, or with the same armament the Dora has - those were quite numerous IIRC.
There are still some bombs missing, that's right. But I'd rather have all the existing stuff corrected before adding these. The 2000er is already quite big, and those others don't differ that much from SCs anyway (at least that's what I noticed in FB, except the PC1600 which seems pretty weak against ships). More important would be some loadouts like PB II for a 190F-8/PB or AB24t SD-2 containers (they're like 70kg bombs) as well as SD-2/XII loadout set on ER-4 bomb rack - that's the one Germans used quite much in the beginning of the war, that's 96 single SD-2 bomblets on the ER-4 rack, that also can carry 4 50 or 70kg bombs. 109s and 190s could carry one of these, 190s probably even 3 (with wing racks), and 110s 4 of them (they were dropped in 24 pieces "salvo", 4 drops per ER-4 - 384 bomblets, that can be dropped in up to 16 runs).

I'm also wondering about the Spit V... weren't it able to carry some bombs? I think it was... jsut like the Hurri http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. The Hurri is probably one of the planes that needs loadouts most, as it has already those racks waiting for some shipment http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. The russian field mod for example carried something like 8 82mm rockets + 2 FAB 100 or so for example. I don't have good stuff about all those planes. If you (@all) have some, pls send it to il2beta-at-1c-dot-ru. Everything info on loadouts that are either implemented incorrectly or completely missing should help them out. And the more they get from different users, the earlier they notice that they need to do something about it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's stuff I would like to see them add into next patch also I wish for Bf-109F-4/B to be add that what RHAF flew them.

Functio
05-30-2004, 06:55 AM
The field-mod Hurricanes also need an option to carry RS-82s.

NN_EnigmuS
05-30-2004, 07:27 AM
Bump

-Panzerblitz and fuel tanks for FW190F8
-Sc500 and fuel tank for Fw190D9
-Wgr21 rockets for Bf109G6
-Mg151/20 for Bf109G14/G10
-bombs for hurri

and other i forgot,for Mk5 you need a Spit Mk5c for bombs and loadouts

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NN_EnigmuS
05-30-2004, 08:08 AM
also fuel tanks for Fw190A8/A9
109F series loadouts

using Butch2k list
will help a lot for Lw loadouts.

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Willey
06-01-2004, 06:08 AM
EDIT: I better split it into 2 posts... quite much stuff http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Willey
06-01-2004, 06:14 AM
Here's butchs list so far:

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">Bf 109E-4
Wing weapons: 2x MG-FFM (60rpg)
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-17 (1000rpg)
Options:
none

Bf 109E-4/B
Wing weapons: 2x MG-FFM (60rpg)
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-17 (1000rpg)
Options:
- 96x SD2 or
- 4x SC50 or
- 1x SC250 or
- 1x SD250


Bf 109E-7/B
Wing weapons: 2x MG-FFM (60rpg)
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-17 (1000rpg)
Options:
Options:
- 96x SD2 or
- 4x SC50 or
- 1x SC250 or
- 1x SD250 or
- 1x Type D droptank


Bf 109E-7/Z
GM-1 seems not to be working
Wing weapons: 2x MG-FFM (60rpg)
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-17 (1000rpg)
Options:
- 1x Type D droptank
note : the other loads should have been possible, but most probably not used
since the aircraft was designed as a high altitude fighter rather than a Jabo.


Bf 109F-2
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-17 (500 rpg)
Engine mounted weapon: MG-151 (200 rounds)
Options:
- R1 : 1x SC250
- R1 : 1x SD250
- R1 : 1x AB250-1
- R2 : 4x SC50
- R2 : 4x SD50
- R2 : 4x SD70
- R2 : 4x AB24t SD2 (48x SD2 bombs in total, different from the R4 system)
- R3 : 1x Type D droptank
- R4 : 96x SD2 (4x 24 SD2 bombs = 96)

Bf 109F-4
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-17 (500 rpg)
Engine mounted weapon: MG-151/20 (200 rounds)
Options:
- /R1 : 2x MG151/20 Gondolas (135rpg) (most probably /R1 was used to distinguish
aircraft which could actually use the Rüstsatz VII : the MG151/20 gondolas, from
aircraft which couldn't)
- R1 : 1x SC250
- R1 : 1x SD250
- R1 : 1x AB250-1
- R2 : 4x SC50
- R2 : 4x SD50
- R2 : 4x SD70
- R2 : 4x AB24t SD2 (48x SD2 bombs in total, different from the R4 system)
- R3 : 1x Type D droptank
- R4 : 96x SD2 (4x 24 SD2 bombs = 96)

Bf 109G-2
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-17 (500 rpg)
Engine mounted weapon: MG-151/20 (200 rounds)
Options:
- R1 : 1x SC250
- R1 : 1x SD250
- R1 : 1x AB250-1
- R2 : 4x SC50
- R2 : 4x SD50
- R2 : 4x SD70
- R2 : 4x AB24t SD2 (48x SD2 bombs in total, different from the R4 system)
- R3 : 1x Type D droptank
- R4 : 96x SD2 (4x 24 SD2 bombs = 96)
- R6 : 2x MG151/20 Gondolas (135rpg)


Bf 109G-6 (Early)
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-131 (300 rpg)
Engine mounted weapon: MG-151/20 (200 rounds)
Options:
- /U4 : replace the MG151/20 engine mounted cannon by an MK108 (65rounds)
- /BR21 : Under wing 21cm rockets
- R1 : 1x SC250
- R1 : 1x SD250
- R1 : 1x AB250-1
- R2 : 4x SC50
- R2 : 4x SD50
- R2 : 4x SD70
- R2 : 4x AB24t SD2 (48x SD2 bombs in total, different from the R4 system)
- R3 : 1x Type D droptank
- R4 : 96x SD2 (4x 24 SD2 bombs = 96)
- R6 : 2x MG151/20 Gondolas (135rpg)

Bf 109G-6 (Late)
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-131 (300 rpg)
Engine mounted weapon: MG-151/20 (200 rounds)
Options:
- /U4 : replace the MG151/20 engine mounted cannon by an MK108 (65rounds)
- /U5 : add 2x MK108 Gondolas (35rpg)
- /U6 : like /U4 and add 2x MK108 Gondolas (35rpg)
- /BR21 : Under wing 21cm rockets
- R1 : 1x SC250
- R1 : 1x SD250
- R1 : 1x AB250-1
- R2 : 4x SC50
- R2 : 4x SD50
- R2 : 4x SD70
- R2 : 4x AB24t SD2 (48x SD2 bombs in total, different from the R4 system)
- R3 : 1x Type D droptank
- R4 : 96x SD2 (4x 24 SD2 bombs = 96)
- R6 : 2x MG151/20 Gondolas (135rpg)
Note : the MK108 gondola manual dates from July 1944 so I doubt earlier aircraft
would have been equipped with it, since it required some change in the wing
design. The most common version would have been the /U6, the manual clearly state
that the modification is to be applied to the /U4.


Bf 109G-6/AS
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-131 (300 rpg)
Engine mounted weapon: MG-151/20 (200 rounds)
Options:
- /U4 : replace the MG151/20 engine mounted cannon by an MK108 (65rounds)
- R1 : 1x SC250
- R1 : 1x SD250
- R1 : 1x AB250-1
- R3 : 1x Type D droptank
- R6 : 2x MG151/20 Gondolas (135rpg)
- Note : I doubt the /AS would have been fitted with rockets or underwing MK108,
but add them if you wish.


Bf 109G-10
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-131 (300 rpg)
Engine mounted weapon: MG-151/20 (200 rounds)
Options:
- /U4 : replace the MG151/20 engine mounted cannon by an MK108 (65rounds)
- R1 : 1x SC250
- R1 : 1x SD250
- R1 : 1x AB250-1
- R3 : 1x Type D droptank
- R6 : 2x MG151/20 Gondolas (135rpg)
- R7 : 2x 21cm BR rockets

Bf 109G-14
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-131 (300 rpg)
Engine mounted weapon: MG-151/20 (200 rounds)
Options:
- /U4 : replace the MG151/20 engine mounted cannon by an MK108 (65rounds)
- /U5 : add 2x MK108 Gondolas (35rpg)
- /U6 : like /U4 and add 2x MK108 Gondolas (35rpg)
- /BR21 : Under wing 21cm rockets
- R1 : 1x SC250
- R1 : 1x SD250
- R1 : 1x AB250-1
- R2 : 4x SC50
- R2 : 4x SD50
- R2 : 4x SD70
- R2 : 4x AB24t SD2 (48x SD2 bombs in total, different from the R4 system)
- R3 : 1x Type D droptank
- R4 : 96x SD2 (4x 24 SD2 bombs = 96)
- R6 : 2x MG151/20 Gondolas (135rpg)


Bf 109K-4
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-131 (300 rpg)
Engine mounted weapon: MK108 (65 rounds)
Options:
- R1 : 1x SC500 (possible with ETC-503)
- R1 : 1x SD500 (possible with ETC-503)
- R1 : 1x SC250
- R1 : 1x SD250
- R1 : 1x AB250-1
- R3 : 1x Type D droptank
- R4 : 2x MG151/20 Gondolas (135rpg)


Fw 190D-9
Wing weapons: 2x MG-151/20(inner 175 to 250 rpg most commonly 250)
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-131 (400 to 475rpg most commonly 450)
Options:
- 1x AB 500
- 1x SC 500
- 1x SD 500
- 1x AB 250
- 1x SC 250
- 1x SD 250
- 4x SC 70
- 4x SC 50
- 96x SD2 bomblets
- 1x Type D droptank

Ju 87D-3
Wing weapons: 2x MG-17 (1000rpg)
Rear gunner weapon: 1x MG87Z (1000rpg = 2000total)

Options:
- 1x 250kg
- 1x 250kg + 4x 65kg (for SC70 for instance but most of the time SC50)
- 1x 500kg
- 1x 500kg + 4x 65kg
- 1x 250kg + 2x 250kg
- 1x 250kg + 8x 65kg
- 1x 500kg + 2x 250kg (seems not to have been much used)
- 1x 500kg + 8x 65kg (seems not to have been much used)

The following loads seem to have been rarely used because of problems in
handling the bomb.
- 1x 1000kg
- 1x 1000kg + 4x 65kg

The following loads were possible but on very short ranges, and with strain
to the airframe:

- SC1400
- SC1800


He 111H-2

Options:
1. Internal bays : 2x 4 ESAC 250/IX
One 4 ESAC 250/IX could be loaded with :
. 4x SC 250 or
. 16x SC 50 or
. 16x SC 70 or
. a combination : 2x SC 250 and 8 SC50/70 for instance.

So loads would be :
. 8x SC 250 or
. 32x SC 50 or
. 4x SC 250 and 16x SC50 or
. 32x SC 70 or
. 4x SC 250 and 16x SC70
. or any combination



He 111H-6

Options:
Three sub variants !!!

1. 1x ETC2000 (left) and PVC1006(right) (first 500 aircraft) or 2x ETC 2000 (501th aircraft and up)
. 1x SC 2500 or
. 2x SC 1000 or
. 2x SD 1400 or
. 2x LMB or
. 2x BSB 1000
(no internal loads)

2. 1x ETC 2000 (Left I think) and 1x 4 ESAC 250/IX
External loads :
. 1x SC 1800 or
. 1x SC 1000 or
. 1x SC/SD 500 or
. 1x SC 1000
Internal load :
The ESAC 250 could be loaded with :
. 4x SC 250 or
. 16x SC 50 or
. 16x SC 70 or
. a combination : 2x SC 250 and 8 SC50/70 for instance.

So some sample loads for the H-6 would be :
1x SC 1800 and 4x SC 250 or
2x SC 1000

3. 2x PVC 1006B (this is the torpedoes carrier version)
External loads :
. 2x Torpedoes


Bf 110G-2
Nose mounted weapons (standard version):
- 4x MG-17 (1000rpg)
- 2x MG-151/20 (300 and 350rpg)

Rear mounted weapon :
- 1x MG-81Z (800rpg)

Options:
The rustsatze on the 110F and G are quite complex, the Mx rustsatze could be
mounted on any aircraft and combined (M2 and M3 for instance could be used on the
same aircraft).
The /Rx are for Rustzustand, in a perfect world aircraft so transformed should be
considered as another version like C-4/B is.

- M1 : 2x MG151/20 (200rpg) under fuselage
- M2 : 2x ETC 500/IX under fuselage :
o 2x 250kg bombs or
o 2x 500kg bombs or
o 1x SD1000 or
o 1x SC1000 and 1x SC250

- M3 : 4x ETC 50 (2 under each wing)
o 4x 50kg or
o 4x 70kg bombs

- M4 : 4x 24SD2/XII (2 under each wing)
- M5 : 4x BR21 rockets (2 under each wing)
- /R1 : 1x BK3.7 under fuselage with 66 rounds in 6x 11 rounds magazines and MG-151/20 removed
- /R3 : MG17s replaced by MK108 with 135rpg
- /R4 : 1x BK3.7 (66 rounds) under fuselage and MK108 (135rpg) replacing the MG17</pre>

Willey
06-01-2004, 06:14 AM
And mine about FW-190s I did quite some reseach making it, so I hope there are no errors http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif - asked butch for some 190 loadout lists but he didn't answer; maybe he's on his move right now, I think I read about something like that some time ago.

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">A-4 [16]:
- Standard (alle MGs)
- MG 17 + MG 151
- MG 151 + MG FFM
- MG 151
- R1 (ETC-501): SC / SD / AB - 250 / 500 [6]
- R1 (ETC-501): ER-4 4x SC50 / SD70 / AB24t / 24 SD-2 [4]
- R1: 300l Tank
- R6: 2xWGr.21


A-5 [18]:
- wie A-4 [16]
- /U11: 2x MK 103 [2]*


A-6 [32]:
- Standard
- MG 17 + MG 151i
- MG 151i + MG 151a
- MG 151i
- (ETC-501) SC / SD / AB - 250 / 500 [6]
- (ETC-501) ER-4 4x SC50 / SD70 / AB24t / 24 SD-2 [4]
- (ETC-501) 300l Tank
- R1: 2x Dual 151 [2]*
- R2: 2x MK 108 [2]*
- R3 (4 ETC-50): 4x SC50 / SD70 / AB24t / 24 SD-2 [4]
- R3 + ETC-501 Zuladungen** [8]
- R6: 2xWGr.21


A-8 [22]:
- Standard (ohne ETC, war schnell demontierbar :tongue:)
- MG 131 + MG 151i
- MG 151i + MG 151a
- MG 151i
- (ETC-501) SC / SD / AB - 250 / 500 [6]
- (ETC-501) ER-4 4x SC50 / SD70 / AB24t / 24 SD-2 [4]
- (ETC-501) 300l Tank
- R1: 2x Dual 151 [2]*
- R2: 2x MK 108 [2]*
- R3: 2x MK 103 [2]*
- R6: 2xWGr.21


A-9 [22]:
- wie A-8 [22]


D-9 [13]:
- Standard
- MG 151i
- MK 108 [2]* (ich mein, das h¤tt ich irgendwo aufgeschnappt,
bin mir nicht sicher ob auch außen 151er benutzt wurden)
- (ETC-504) SC / SD / AB - 250 [3]
- (ETC-504) ER-4 4x SC50 / SD70 / AB24t / 24 SD-2 [4]
- (ETC-504) 300l Tank
- R6: 2xWGr.21


F-1 [13] (A-4/U3):
- Standard (MG 17 + MG 151, ETC-501, st¤rkere Panzerung)
- (ETC-501) SC / SD / AB - 250 / 500 [6]
- (ETC-501) SC / AB - 1000 [2]
- (ETC-501) ER-4 4x SC50 / SD70 / AB24t / 24 SD-2 [4]


F-2 [13] (A-5/U3):
- wie F-1 [13]


F-3 [25] (A-5/U17):
- Standard (MG 17 + MG 151, ETC-501, 4x ETC-50 / 71, st¤rkere Panzerung)
- (ETC-501) SC / SD / AB - 250 / 500 [6]
- (ETC-501) ER-4 4x SC50 / SD70 / AB24t / 24 SD-2 [4]
- (ETC-501) SC / AB - 1000 [2]
- (ETC-50) 4x SC50 / SD70 / AB24t / 24 SD-2 [4]
- Flügelbomben + Rumpfbomben &lt;= 500kg ** [8]


F-8 [25] (A-8):
- Standard (MG 131 + MG 151i, ETC-501, 4x ETC-50 / 71)
- (ETC-501) SC / SD / AB - 250 / 500 [6]
- (ETC-501) ER-4 4x SC50 / SD70 / AB24t / 24 SD-2 [4]
- (ETC-501) SC / AB - 1000 [2]
- (ETC-50) 4x SC50 / SD70 / AB24t / 24 SD-2 [4]
- Flügelbomben + Rumpfbomben &lt;= 500kg ** [8]


F-9 [25] (A-9):
- wie F-8 [25]


G-1 [25] (A-4/U8):
- Standard (MG 151, ETC-501, 2x ETC-250?, st¤rkere Panzerung)
- (ETC-501) SC / SD / AB - 250 / 500 [6]
- (ETC-501) SC / AB - 1000 / PC-1600 / SC-1800 [4]
- (ETC-501) ER-4 4x SC50 / SD70 / AB24t / 24 SD-2 [4]
- Rumpfbomben &lt;= 500kg + 2x 300l Tank [10]


G-2 [25] (A-5/U8):
- wie G-1 [25]


G-3 [33] (G-2 mit A-6 Flügel):
- Standard (MG 151, ETC-501, 2x ETC-501 FW, st¤rkere Panzerung)
- (ETC-501) SC / SD / AB - 250 / 500 [6]
- (ETC-501) SC / AB - 1000 / PC-1600 / SC-1800 [4]
- (ETC-501) ER-4 4x SC50 / SD70 / AB24t / 24 SD-2 [4]
- Rumpfbomben &lt;= 500kg + 2x 300l Tank [10]
- Rumpfbomben &lt;= 500kg + Flügelbomben **** [8]





*
einmal mit und einmal ohne Rumpf MGs

**
SC-250 + 4x SC-50
SC-500 + 4x SC-50
SD-250 + 4x SD-70
SD-500 + 4x SD-70
AB-250 + 4x AB24t
AB-500 + 4x SC-50
AB-500 + 4x SD-70
AB-500 + 4x AB24t

****
SC-250 + 2x SC-250
SC-500 + 2x SC-250
SD-250 + 2x SD-250
SD-500 + 2x SD-250
AB-250 + 2x AB-250
AB-500 + 2x SC-250
AB-500 + 2x SD-250
AB-500 + 2x AB-250



PS: Bei den R Bezeichnungen kann durchaus was falsch sein :D.

PPS: die F-8, F-9 und G-8 waren NICHT st¤rker gepanzert, wie oft behauptet.</pre>

- i behind the MG 151 means it's the inner guns, a the outer guns.
As for the D-9 MK 108 I'm not quite sure about but I think I've read about it already.
- st¤rkere Panzerung means better armor; F-8, F-9 and G-8 did NOT have this additional armor.
- maybe some Rx designations aren't correct http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif, I just used the ones I found in FB.
- Rumpfbomen = Bombs on fuselage rack; Flügelbomben = bombs on wing racks
- the numbers in brackets would be the loadout count, quite big for some planes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif, that's why I suggest F & G instead of U3 and U8. * means it could be 1) with cowl MGs and 2) without cowl MGs.

NN_EnigmuS
06-01-2004, 06:23 AM
for 190 F8 panzerblitz information everything is here in german lol:

http://balsi.de/Waffen+Gebaeude/Sonderwaffen/panzerblitz.htm

http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugkorper/blitz.htm

also 2*Mk108 for He162 will be cool(even if i not fly it a lot lol)

a question willey does the loadouts for stuka D3 and D5 the same?

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VMF513_Sandman
06-02-2004, 05:35 AM
hvar's for p-51's, and p-47's. was used widely for tank/bridge busting. delete those drag enhancing bazooka's. bombs for all models of hurricanes; u cant tell me the hurricane couldnt carry them. if not, then why have the hardpoints on the wings. (btw, if not carrying bombs, bomb hardpoints should be removed).

the ability to drop fuel tanks as napalm bombs. u cant tell me dropping a fully loaded fuel canister wouldnt explode on a concrete runway; especially with high grade aviation fuel.

brighter tracer's for 50 cal gun's. currently, the tracer's disappear 300' in front....in the p-63 without gun pod's, all u see is muzzle flash. current hurricane .303's are double in brightness and can be seen up to 5-600 meters in front with practically no muzzle flash hinderance in visual with either the 303's or the 4x20mm version hurricane. american tracer's were either red or yellow in color. and they were not as faint as they are in fb. the zero's have 2-3x's the brightness. but they also have double the muzzle flash along with dense smoke where the 50's in the p-38 are not quite as bright but also not nearly as much muzzle flash or smoke.

exception to the nose mounted guns, wing guns shouldnt fire all at once...maybe this would help some of the dispursion issue. currently, all wing mounted guns fire simultaneously.

Willey
06-02-2004, 01:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NN_EnigmuS:
for 190 F8 panzerblitz information everything is here in german lol:

http://balsi.de/Waffen+Gebaeude/Sonderwaffen/panzerblitz.htm<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

my list still lacks it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. Would be a separate plane, F-8/PB I/II and F-9/PB I/II anyway.

http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugkorper/blitz.htm
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

also 2*Mk108 for He162 will be cool(even if i not fly it a lot lol)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be an option as well as 4 108s for the Go-229, although it's more an X-plane.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>a question willey does the loadouts for stuka D3 and D5 the same?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If I'm not mistaken, they've got the same load. Difference is 20mm cannons, larger wings and no dive brake for the D-5 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif (FB models just guns :sad2:, it has exactly the same FM as the D-3 and dive brakes still work)

Willey
06-02-2004, 01:21 PM
P-47 got 5" HVARS on the D-30 first, sad we do have a D-27 instead. But the 51D-20 should get 'em.

I'd like to have droppable WGr.21 tubes, and single drop mode for german bombs. 50kg bombs were dropped single in a row, not in pairs, as many other loadouts. Even the WGr. could be shot one by one, but usually they were fired all at once.

NN_EnigmuS
06-03-2004, 02:13 AM
for Fw190F8:youp they can also carry a drop tank and panzerblitz2,or a drop tank and 4Sc50 etc....why make a separate plane,it's just like american rocket

for Go229
don't made them waste their time on a "X-plane",Hs162 with 2*mk108 is accurate

for stuka D5:but in Aep dive brakes needed on stuka D5 because of the stuvi gunsight,anyway D5 could turn better and shorter than D3 because of extended wings

oh perhaps they can short the Mk108 in FwA8/a9 like the real one ,we have now 20mm tube when taking Mk108

bump

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