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LimaZulu
03-03-2004, 02:53 PM
Just so you guys don't forget one of the latest toys, try out the Bf-110 with the R3M1 loadout.

Gib and I have a little contest to see who can shoot down the most Me323 beasties in the QM. Set it for at full-real settings and load up 16 Me323 against your lone Bf-110. Set your fuel level and convergence to taste but leave everything else in the QM at default.

We are currently tied at 3600 points for our top scores, he's obviously got better gunnery but I think I am setting up my passes better. I'm thinking someone here should be able to get a MUCH higher score.

LZ

LimaZulu
03-03-2004, 02:53 PM
Just so you guys don't forget one of the latest toys, try out the Bf-110 with the R3M1 loadout.

Gib and I have a little contest to see who can shoot down the most Me323 beasties in the QM. Set it for at full-real settings and load up 16 Me323 against your lone Bf-110. Set your fuel level and convergence to taste but leave everything else in the QM at default.

We are currently tied at 3600 points for our top scores, he's obviously got better gunnery but I think I am setting up my passes better. I'm thinking someone here should be able to get a MUCH higher score.

LZ

JG26Red
03-03-2004, 03:01 PM
try the 109Z

LimaZulu
03-03-2004, 03:06 PM
That's what Gibbage said too until he tried the Bf-110 at my urging. It is really obvious that the concentrated firepower in the centerline (nose & chin) of the Bf-110 make it far more deadly to the big lumbering Me323 than the 109z.

Try both in the QM I described above and see which results in high scores.

LZ

Slammin_
03-03-2004, 03:31 PM
That BF-110 takes quite a bit of damage while still dishing it out too. You definitely do not want to be on the business end of that monster because it takes out B-17's like childsplay.

Anyone else notice just about all bullets seem more deadly now, also they dont fall off as soon and even 108 cannon shells are faster? I'ts driving me nuts tryng to find good convergence again, but I welcome this change too!

Magister__Ludi
03-03-2004, 03:35 PM
How would you rate Me-110 performance? Is it a reasonable climber? Bf-110C did 3000fpm with much weaker engines. I hope Bf-110G is still capable of that (though it should be better).
Me-110 was also had also a decent turn rate, better than most late war fighters. Is this represented in AEP?

Slammin_
03-03-2004, 03:43 PM
I can definitely see differences, for the better too. But I really think a lot of it is directly attribitual to bullet modeling too. I have'nt had time to try any of the existing a/c and have only been messing with the new ones but I am seeing types of damage that I don't think I've seen before, such as losing about 18" of a wing tip, and the a/c feels like it lost 18" of wing though still flyable.

I seem to be hitting the B-17 bombload more often than not now too, but quite often, they go down without blowing up. I assume there is damage to controls that you can't see. So far it all feels pretty good to me.

boohaa
03-03-2004, 03:55 PM
I cant put my finger on it but there seems to be alot of global changes.Take offs seem way more realistic with more torque and the AOA to generate lift seems like its higher.Lots of stall now feel more realsitic and holy cow alot of planes get into unrecoverable spins:))))

Try ditching in different planes also.I dont know if its just me but they seem more realistic too!!

Magister__Ludi
03-03-2004, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by boohaa:
I cant put my finger on it but there seems to be alot of global changes.Take offs seem way more realistic with more torque and the AOA to generate lift seems like its higher.Lots of stall now feel more realsitic and holy cow alot of planes get into unrecoverable spins:))))

Try ditching in different planes also.I dont know if its just me but they seem more realistic too!!

Stalling and spinning more often is not necesarely an improvement. They were exagerated in the past, you could get a stall at very small AOA. Just pitching up a little bit in heavy wing loaded aircraft like Fw-190 threw you in a spin - this was incorrect, heavy wingloaded fighters do not stall at smaller AoA, they stall at higher speed, that's all.
I hope someday they'll fix those stalls&spins.

Zayets
03-03-2004, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by LimaZulu:
It is really obvious that the concentrated firepower in the centerline (nose & chin) of the Bf-110 make it far more deadly to the big lumbering Me323 than the 109z.


Well, that means P-38 will rule the skies , no need for so precise lead shooting.Point and kaboom. I really look forward to the P-38.Thanks Gibb!

Zayets out
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LimaZulu
03-03-2004, 04:18 PM
Zayets; except the spray of the P-38 is pretty wide. I wish it had been as tight as the pilot reports indicated, but whatever. I am happy to have it regardless.

LZ

Zayets
03-03-2004, 04:22 PM
Darn!
Just read the other accounts over the P38 "issue". Dunno if it was porked , wait to see if the IAR flies like the specs.Don't have lot of them , but still is a starting point. Now, for P-38 , my intention was to use this plane in mud moving only missions, sometimes scarink the crap outta those bomber gunners , but never in fighting . I suck. Period. Gimme a P11 or I153 and I'll evade any mofo flying a late Bf or FW. Of course , I will not even scratch the paint on them , but I'll still be alive.

Zayets out
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Gibbage1
03-03-2004, 04:23 PM
Well with the 109Z, it was no compatition. It was like shooting fish in a berral with hand grenades. But with the BF!!! 110, it takes a little more skill then just pulling the trigger in the general direction.

But damn those gunners will pick you appart if your not careful.

Gib

LimaZulu
03-03-2004, 04:26 PM
Don't let the P-38 whiners deter you. With pratice, the fork-tailed devil will not only devastate ground targets but dogfight with the best of the planes from its year.

LZ

Gibbage1
03-03-2004, 04:26 PM
Just to clerify, Lima and I take up the 2 MK-108 and 4 Mg-151 loadout. That is quite a bit more firepower then the P-38 ;)

P.S. The Me-323 is very resistant to MG's and 20MM. Only the 30's will take them down. So dont try it with the P-38. I did, and I had my A$$ handed back.

Gib

Weather_Man
03-03-2004, 05:14 PM
The BF110 is simply incredible with the firepower. I love that beasty!

The P38 is a no-show. You won't see many people flying it in two weeks.

WhiskeyRiver
03-03-2004, 05:28 PM
of course it wasn't flown by the right countries

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CARBONFREEZE
03-03-2004, 07:25 PM
Bf-110 is alot of fun. P-38 is alot of fun. They should both be flown like a P-47/Fw-190.

Most people that fly online that are used to the Fw190 will have no problem migrating inbetween these birds.

Russian aircraft require skill to fly.
German aircraft require ten times that skill, and one hundred times the patience!

If guns are responsible for crime, my keyboard must be responsible for my spelling!

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JG27_BLACKHART
03-03-2004, 08:13 PM
May I ask what the role of the 110 was .. was it more of a bomber or fighter in the war? Or could we consider it a German version of a bigger P-38?

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tenmmike
03-03-2004, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by JG27_BLACKHART:
May I ask what the role of the 110 was .. was it more of a bomber or fighter in the war? Or could we consider it a German version of a bigger P-38?

http://home.earthlink.net/~eaglz/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/bh.jpg it failed at its designed for mission but found itself a pretty darn good night fighter very sucessful in that job

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I_JG78_Max
03-03-2004, 08:36 PM
Originally it was designed as a heavy fighter. During the Battle of Britain it suffered heavy losses against single seaters and was withdrawn from the fighter role and modified to carry bombs and a lot of other loadouts. It was temporary used on the eastern front as a groundattack plane, but most 110 were used as nightfighters. It became the backbone of the nightfighters for a long time and did very well in that role.

That was just a short summary, of course. Just wait for the experts to tell you more details.


Gruß,

I/JG78_Max

Magister__Ludi
03-03-2004, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by JG27_BLACKHART:
May I ask what the role of the 110 was .. was it more of a bomber or fighter in the war? Or could we consider it a German version of a bigger P-38?


Bf-110 was designed as a heavy multirole fighter, so it could do missions ranging from long range escort fighter, bomber destroyer, attack, light bomber, etc. At the time it appeared Me-110C was fast and maneuvrable as the best fighters of its time (except roll, but there were not many fighters with better roll at that time anyway) had better firepower, was more durable and was protected with a rear gunner. Therefore it was assigned to best pilots in fighter duties, which was a mistake - Bf-110 was a big target easy to hit and having a poor roll meant difficulties in doing or countering evasive maneuvers. Lack of proper escort fighters tactics compromised its effectiveness in BoB. It should have been used the same way USAAF used its P-47. LW used it very agressively but with poor results - keep in though that Bf-110 did not operate in the same conditions of total air supremacy as USAAF fighters did, it had a much tougher job.

Later models were not developed as fighters at all, they were whether destroyers, light bombers or night fighters (later). Bf-110 pilots were not trained in ACM after BoB, and generally they were forbidden to attempt maneuvers with enemy fighters. LW replaced Bf-110 in fighter role with Fw-190, and in bomber role with Me-210/410, both replacements being was much better adapted for those roles.

[This message was edited by Magister__Ludi on Wed March 03 2004 at 07:55 PM.]