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ZenBearV13
08-26-2016, 07:51 AM
It's been brought to my attention that apparently it's unclear if flails were ever used in real medieval combat. I did a bit of searching and found that the wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flail_(weapon)) article confirms this, but I also found a YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGf7n7iUF_k) video by username scholagladiatoria who claims that flails were in fact used (1:32 (https://youtu.be/AGf7n7iUF_k?t=1m32s)) and that you weren't actually at much risk of hitting yourself as long as you used it correctly (https://youtu.be/AGf7n7iUF_k?t=7m24s); ie follow through so the force of the swing keeps the ball moving in the desired direction even after it deflects. Now I can't speak to this guy's credentials, but he does provide images of medieval tapestries as evidence, and I thinik he's at least as reliable a source as wikipedia. :p

MisterWillow
08-26-2016, 08:54 AM
It's been brought to my attention that apparently it's unclear if flails were ever used in real medieval combat. I did a bit of searching and found that the wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flail_(weapon)) article confirms this, but I also found a YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGf7n7iUF_k) video by username scholagladiatoria who claims that flails were in fact used (1:32 (https://youtu.be/AGf7n7iUF_k?t=1m32s)) and that you weren't actually at much risk of hitting yourself as long as you used it correctly (https://youtu.be/AGf7n7iUF_k?t=7m24s); ie follow through so the force of the swing keeps the ball moving in the desired direction even after it deflects. Now I can't speak to this guy's credentials, but he does provide images of medieval tapestries as evidence, and I thinik he's at least as reliable a source as wikipedia. :p

In my estimation, you'd be hard pressed to find a more reliable youtube source pertaining to these sorts of subjects. He's very heavily involved in Hema and not only does he cite historical sources, but he's also got videos of him and his group sparring, which are almost always fun to watch (only seen a couple that are boring, because the opponents are having a virtual staring contest because they're playing so defensively).

Not to derail the thread right out of the gate, but he's also got a whole series on dual-wielding---and not rapier/saber & main gauche, either, but full size arming swords and the like ---which I would encourage everyone to check out. (here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZNZyhNFSaE), here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1R-xZy-Gb4), here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rewvqm4pdw), and here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2aCr5YfYKE))

On topic, if he says the flail was legitimately used in combat (and I watched the video, so I know he said they were, but very rarely or only in certain contexts), I'd trust him.

handheld brando
08-27-2016, 02:59 AM
It's been brought to my attention that apparently it's unclear if flails were ever used in real medieval combat. I did a bit of searching and found that the wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flail_(weapon)) article confirms this, but I also found a YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGf7n7iUF_k) video by username scholagladiatoria who claims that flails were in fact used (1:32 (https://youtu.be/AGf7n7iUF_k?t=1m32s)) and that you weren't actually at much risk of hitting yourself as long as you used it correctly (https://youtu.be/AGf7n7iUF_k?t=7m24s); ie follow through so the force of the swing keeps the ball moving in the desired direction even after it deflects. Now I can't speak to this guy's credentials, but he does provide images of medieval tapestries as evidence, and I thinik he's at least as reliable a source as wikipedia. :p

Flails like in this game were debated as being actually used.

However Peasant flails were a real thing and are very different from normal flails. Flails like in this game are seriously debated though.