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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 05:24 PM
Hi everyone.
I'm thinking of upgrading my PC.
Specs at present time:
DELL8200
P4 1,8 GHz
GF 3 Ti 500 64
21" monitor
1024 Mb RDRAM

Now here's my problem, should i go for the GF 4 series or the ATI 9700? I dont think the newer cards is an option because to much "Buck For The Bang" issues. My mobo only supports AGP 4x but i'm thinking that buying with support for 8x is an "investment" for mobo changing in the future (am i right?) Also i have the Zalman heatpipe cooler installed and if i still want to use it, it points towards the GF4 card. Don't think i can use it on radeon or can i?
128 Mb DDR is a must (does 256 exist?) cause i want to run LOMAC on it aswell as FB (with max detail?).

Please give your advise, thanks in advance.

Fly safe!

XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 05:24 PM
Hi everyone.
I'm thinking of upgrading my PC.
Specs at present time:
DELL8200
P4 1,8 GHz
GF 3 Ti 500 64
21" monitor
1024 Mb RDRAM

Now here's my problem, should i go for the GF 4 series or the ATI 9700? I dont think the newer cards is an option because to much "Buck For The Bang" issues. My mobo only supports AGP 4x but i'm thinking that buying with support for 8x is an "investment" for mobo changing in the future (am i right?) Also i have the Zalman heatpipe cooler installed and if i still want to use it, it points towards the GF4 card. Don't think i can use it on radeon or can i?
128 Mb DDR is a must (does 256 exist?) cause i want to run LOMAC on it aswell as FB (with max detail?).

Please give your advise, thanks in advance.

Fly safe!

XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 05:31 PM
Definately go for the radeon. In the latest cards theyve been doing better than NVidea. My 8500DV Pro can hang with my friends GeForce 4 (the good one). Im not sure what specs are of the 9800/9700 but me pops has one and it blows Geforce out of the water.

Mike

XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 05:41 PM
WHat the hell do u want a new card for?? U have a GF 3 TI500 already... ahh well if u really wanna throw money away then....


best buys at the mo....

Bang for Buck/Mid Range
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GF 4 ti420 cheap and powerful but not THAT much better than your GF3 :/

Radeon 9500 , possible flash of bios to 9700 , mid range price/ powerful

Radeon 9600 not as fast as a 9500 but still good deal for the money.

Top End
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Radeon 9700 non pro/pro is the only real best buy here as the GF 5900 and 9800 are so expensive and therefore not worth it.

The GF 4 ti4600 is still a very fast card blowing away both the GF5 FX 5200 and GF5 FX 5600 by big amounts, the only thing is its not a real DX 9 card but what do u need DX 9 compliancy for at the moment? To run 3d mark 2003 and w*nk over the results??


PS can I buy your GF3 ??

XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 05:48 PM
If you want to improve your simming experience 10-fold, get a Matrox Parhelia. I replaced my TI4600 with it, got three 21" monitors, and can't now imagine flying on one screen.

I'm honestly quite surprised more hardcore simmerrs haven't gone this route.



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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 06:08 PM
Big money there dex /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Don't get a g4-get a 9700.

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 08:07 PM
Get a 9700. Also AGP 8x is useless, at least for the time being, and even in the future since we are getting PCI Express. BTW Irish how are you going to say that the 8500 is as good as GF4? The GF3s have almost the same performance as the 8500s, and the GF4s are much faster then the GF3s. The GF4s are almost par with 9500/9600 (np, p).

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 08:14 PM
yes GF4 Ti line is on-par with r9500/9600 if you dont use AA/AF and using low-res, but if you do use it its a whole different story

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 08:17 PM
^ Ok, I said almost on par. It's a lot closer to the 9500 pro then to the 8500. Also GF4's handle AA pretty good (I use 4x on all of my games), it's AF that they suck at.

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 08:23 PM
I've found a Radeon 9600Pro 128 MB Fireblade Edition from Saphire for 200 Euro.
I Live in Sweden so prices here are a little expensive. The 9700 NP costs about 270 Euro and the GF 4 4800SE 220 Euro so of these cards which in your oppinion is most "Bang for the Buck"?

XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 08:24 PM
1. 9700 np
2. 9600 pro
3. GF4 Ti4800SE (which is basically a Ti4400 with AGP8x)

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 09:24 PM
New processor, around 2.0-2.5 GHZ, new vid card Radeon 9700, Ram's fine, don't need 8x, 4x is fine. As far as an "investment", 8x really isn't that great. you'd probably see no difference maybe one or two FPS difference. Anyway, you've got a good system, just get a new processor over the 2 GHZ range, a Radeon 9700 is much better than any G4, don't get a new mobo yet, with that processor, RD RAM is the best you can get, and you have a lot of it.

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 09:32 PM
Get the 9700 pro.

XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 09:37 PM
Get da Radeon. I have one and it works almost flawlessly. You might want to check your processor though. My computer has almost the same specs, but it is a 4550 model (discontinued) and has half the RAM of yours.

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 10:00 PM
If you want a new system for Loc-ON wait till it comes out! By then you'l be able to get a Radeaon 12000 Pro for the price of the 9000 now!!! /i/smilies/16x16_robot-very-happy.gif S!

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ShadowHawk__
07-12-2003, 10:22 PM
My 9700 pro is working wonders for me, 4x AA and 16x AF at very good frames, I don't run anything without AA and AF anymore because it makes such a big difference. AGP is pretty negligable when you're looking at cards with 128mb of video memory. The 9800 pro is probably the best if you're looking to spend hardcore amounts of money and want nothing but the best, but a 9700 pro is nearly as good and a lot cheaper and will definitely get the job done effectively and will be good for a long time. Especially when you're considering that your bottleneck will be your CPU and not your video card if you upgrade to a 9700 pro.

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 11:23 PM
First of all if you have the money then definetly go for a FX5900 Ultra, but that is beside the point. The best card around $200 is definetly the 9700np. BTW Shadow, what is the maximum AA that the 9800 can do, is it still 4x?

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 12:37 AM
I have the ATI Radeon 9700Pro 128Mb RAM, probably the best buy I've made so far and that was when it was introduced a little more than six months ago, guess it should be affordable by now. Just remember to upgrade the driver!

XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 12:49 AM
also at $400 a 9800 will stomp a 5900 regular and even a pro when AA and AF are enabled at the correct settings.

rogo

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 01:05 AM
^ Ok, we were talking about the 9800 pro 256mb vs. the 5900 Ultra 256mb which are both around $500. Oh, and do please provide the benchmarks for the 5900 NU, I haven't seen any yet, and am very intrested in them.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 02:07 AM
I would tell you to get the Nvidia GF4ti card just cause their more dependable. But if you want to beef up your game with better filters or what ever then go for the 9700 or 9800.

One thing though!

If you think your gonna be able to run this game with perfect settings with a new card then your wrong. No card right now can run this game with perfect settings and get good enuff FPS. If you can play the game at 15-20 Fps then have fun, but it aint all that great. Ive heard some people say they can play it with perfect settings and get good FPS so ask around about that before you go out lookin for a card.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 02:15 AM
a 4200 being "more dependable" than a 9700 is a load of hogwash, I've owned three Geforce 4 ti series and had to rma 2 of them (one msi and one gainward), and I've owned two 8500s and a 9700 and haven't had to rma any.

Plus the cat series drivers are wonderful and equal to or better than any of those dets.

rogo

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 08:26 AM
Well, a new idea:
upgrading from 1.8 GHz to 2.6 GHz and buying the Saphire Radeon 9600Pro FE with 2.8 Samsung mem (128) is this a good compromise since i cannot afford the latest video and a CPU upgrade?????

This will be (in Sweden) about 430 Euro. Do you think this is to expensive or a bad call considering the DELL specs (look at first post)?

XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 08:35 AM
Dang Dex,,,3 21" monitors...trackIR...What`s next?? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 08:40 AM
First of all no card is more dependable then the other, it's just a matter of luck. Second of all the recent Cat drivers have been lacking, and the performance actually decreased in the newest drivers (Cat 3.5). Still a choice between a GF4 and a 9700 is a no brainer, and only a person which is uneducated (or a fanboy) will tell you to get a GF4 over the 9700.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 08:42 AM
9700 PRO seems like logical choice.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 09:01 AM
While in the past I would have said just go with the Nvida card, I cannot say that now. The ATI Radeon cards are really just better. especially when handling th highest AA etc.. levels, that is where it outpaces the Nvida cards. IMHO.


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