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dazza9806482
06-06-2004, 12:14 PM
I just had a great time on HL, playing with the P63. i am a bit of a plane ****, and cant stick with one for long.

However this bird really impressed me. My new force feedback joystick has elimnated suprise stalls and i found this to be a class plane.

why dont more people fly it?

am i missing something?

dazza9806482
06-06-2004, 12:14 PM
I just had a great time on HL, playing with the P63. i am a bit of a plane ****, and cant stick with one for long.

However this bird really impressed me. My new force feedback joystick has elimnated suprise stalls and i found this to be a class plane.

why dont more people fly it?

am i missing something?

CaptainGelo
06-06-2004, 12:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dazza9806482:
I just had a great time on HL, playing with the P63. i am a bit of a plane ****, and cant stick with one for long.

However this bird really impressed me. My new force feedback joystick has elimnated suprise stalls and i found this to be a class plane.

why dont more people fly it?

am i missing something?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I fly it, great plane...... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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jensenpark
06-06-2004, 05:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dazza9806482:
I just had a great time on HL, playing with the P63. i am a bit of a plane ****, and cant stick with one for long.

However this bird really impressed me. My new force feedback joystick has elimnated suprise stalls and i found this to be a class plane.

why dont more people fly it?

am i missing something?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wonder that myself...there are so many great P39 pilots out there, I was expecting them to simply migrate "up" to the '63.
Maybe not as sexy as the Mustang?

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LubricatedGoat
06-06-2004, 06:01 PM
Hey, I just discovered it too! I've been flying the off-line campaign with it, though. Haven't tried it on-line. But I was also very impressed.

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Mitlov47
06-06-2004, 06:10 PM
I used to like it a lot. It's very much a jack-of-all-trades plane. And you can't beat the cockpit visibility. But in the end, I preferred the six .50s of the Mustang to that 37mm cannon. Plus, as an above poster said, the Mustang IS sexier--looks better, sounds GREAT, and unlike the KingCobra it has a cult of history around it.

Its tendency to flat spin probably turns many folks off.

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FI-Aflak
06-06-2004, 06:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EMitton:
I used to like it a lot. It's very much a jack-of-all-trades plane. And you can't beat the cockpit visibility. But in the end, I preferred the six .50s of the Mustang to that 37mm cannon. Plus, as an above poster said, the Mustang IS sexier--looks better, sounds GREAT, and unlike the KingCobra it has a cult of history around it.

Its tendency to flat spin probably turns many folks off.

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I love the Jug tops, and mustang, but when I want to mix it up dogfight style I take the P-63. It has a wicked turn, and doesn't flat spin unless you are a ham-fisted moron. One thing I never really liked about the American planes are the brownings. I love big cannons. I like the one hit one kill thing. P-63 has that.

I was playing online recently, on one sortie I stumbled across an I-153 (hahaha) and hit him with one single shot from the cannon, of course causing catastrophic damage. I killed a messers pretty easily, but then a Frank, the C model, bounced me, and I ran to a pair of friendly Franks before I got killed (the enemy landed only a few 20mm rounds on me, which porked my engine). So I head back to base, damaged. An I-153 is waiting there, same guy I shot down earlier. The only time he would be dangerous is when I slow down to land. So I attack him instead. Again, one shot one kill.


Its easy to land, too. I mean, I almost always overshoot, and then I have to play the "brake as hard as you can without nosing over" game. With the P-63 just hold that brake down and you stop right away. Its a fun ride. I think the P-51D has it beat on visibility, though, the Kingcobra has all sorts of doors and struts and whatnot that makes it into a freaking mesh of thick pieces of metal.

VW-IceFire
06-06-2004, 07:05 PM
P-63, unlike the Mustang, is great for the short and sweet dogfight servers because the 63 climbs and accelerates well, has good firepower, turns very well, and is overall a very responsive plane.

Its a bit tricky to land sometimes and aim can be a problem but its very good.

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T_O_A_D
06-06-2004, 07:24 PM
Was it ever used in the Pacific?

Also what FFB stick do you get?

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Mitlov47
06-06-2004, 08:08 PM
I'm pretty good at avoiding stalls--I cut my teeth in the original IL-2 with an I-16--but I think that's why *most* people avoid the P-63.

I generally don't fly the P-63 for a different reason. At the end of the day, I can't hit s--- with that 37mm cannon, but I can easily hit planes as far as 500m away with wing-mounted Brownings.

And of course, the P-51 is the best-looking and best-sounding plane in the game in my opinion, and I take subjective stuff like that into account http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Mitlov47
06-06-2004, 08:10 PM
Oh, a question about the P-63. I know that this info is in the object viewer, but that isn't always right. In GAMEPLAY terms (not historical), which is faster, the P-63 or the P-51? I know the 63 accelerates better, but does it have a lower top speed?

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WUAF_Co_Hero
06-06-2004, 08:33 PM
P-63 is the second or third fastest a/c on the deck, only beaten by the I-185, and possibly the La-7 (don't think so though).

Above 8k, the P-51 will be faster though.
EDIT:
Although the P-51 may sound really nice, it's also louder than a 747 on approach... you can hear it coming miles away.

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CaptainGelo
06-06-2004, 11:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Co_Hero:
P-63 is the second or third fastest a/c on the deck, only beaten by the I-185, and possibly the La-7 (don't think so though).

Above 8k, the P-51 will be faster though.
EDIT:
Although the P-51 may sound really nice, it's also louder than a 747 on approach... you can hear it coming miles away.

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Set a man on fire, keep him warm for the rest of his life.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

and it does some nice upsidedown stalls http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Gibbage1
06-06-2004, 11:59 PM
The P-63 is faster then the P-51 down low. A lot faster. Me and a P-51 were chasing a Run-09 and the 09 was trying to climb away. I passes the P-51 and he was like "WTF?". Lol. The 109 was also like "WTF". Thats one thing I hated about the P-39 is that almost EVERYONE was faster then you. In the P-63 I can chase down almost anyone now. The problem is the P-63 CANT turn as good as a P-39 low and slow. You need to addopt more of an energy fighting stance since it can retain its energy well.

Gib

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EMitton:
Oh, a question about the P-63. I know that this info is in the object viewer, but that isn't always right. In GAMEPLAY terms (not historical), which is faster, the P-63 or the P-51? I know the 63 accelerates better, but does it have a lower top speed?

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Korolov
06-07-2004, 12:06 AM
I think the P-63 is quite a good aircraft; it makes a exceptional opponent for the Ki-84s and works quite well against the late war axis opponents. My only gripe is it has only two .50 cals in clean config and the 37mm that takes a sacrifice to the devil in order to score a hit.

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Mitlov47
06-07-2004, 12:08 AM
Why didn't they ever make a P-63 with just 6 or 8 Brownings? That would have been one heck of a plane.

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T_O_A_D
06-07-2004, 12:10 AM
Well while researching my question I found this.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>About 300 P-63s were turned into RP-63 flying targets for dogfight practice with frangible bullets. All armor and armament were removed from these planes, and a skin of duralumin protected the wings, fuselage and tail. Bulletproof glass was installed, steel grilles were put over the air intake, and a steel sleeve protected the exhaust stacks. A propeller with thick, hollow blades was also installed. When a hit was scored, a red light came on in the cockpit to indicate where the P-63 had been shot.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And this link of a resoration http://www.asdl.gatech.edu/people/nborer/caf/p-63/p-63_rest.html

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Mitlov47
06-07-2004, 12:25 AM
Oh, and another question about the P-63's weaponry. For the P-63 fans here, how the devil do you use the guns? Do you link both the Brownings and the 37mm to the main trigger? Or do you use the Brownings as tracers to line up a quick burst from the 37mm? What convergence numbers do you use for each?

Many thanks! I'm gonna have to take another look at this baby. I quit using it when I tried playing online, because brief bouts of lag during a turn would send me into flat spins--and I lag a lot because I'm on 56k. But I don't play online anymore, so maybe I should try it again.

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WUAF_Badsight
06-07-2004, 04:10 AM
the P-63 is a Monster A/C

very awesome performer

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GreyBeast
06-07-2004, 07:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EMitton:
Why didn't they ever make a P-63 with just 6 or 8 Brownings? That would have been one heck of a plane.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I´m not 100% sure about this, but it´s a fact that the P-39 was conceived as "an aircraft built around a cannon". Because of this, the engine was moved aft of the cockpit. Designing the P-63 without a cannon would have rendered these changes unnecessary. Since it was intended as "the next generation" of P-39´s, it too was built around the cannon.

dazza9806482
06-07-2004, 09:05 AM
Ive actually got a saitex cyborg rumble force, so i suppose its not fully force feedback, but it rumbles enough so i can feel the stall coming. i find it pretty good, quite precise

the cannon is a bit hard to hit with, but then u get loads of ammo and can usually cripple the enemy with the machine guns first. its quite rewarding to snipe off a wing, and against bombers its formidable. also it seems to have a high velocity and long shot, unlike the mk108 grenade launcher

i find it a good compromise between sniping and spray and pray.

also whilst i like externals i prefer wonder woman off, and the cockpit is pretty cool and visiblity is high.

glad to hear from some plane ****s too. i feel so cheap sometimes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

however the stall can be catasrophic and but keep the speed high and your cool

Art-J
06-07-2004, 09:44 AM
I'm an poor-to-average pilot and what I don't like in P-63 are two things:
a) Cannon. P-39 veterans might be familiar with such a weapon, but I can't hit a sh*t with it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
b) Visibility. I don't know what You guys are talking about when describing visibility in this bird as a good one. It is not bad in forward direction, only average on Your sides (because of this massive cockpit framework), and this HUGE armor plate behind Your head is terrible - especially when You know someone might be behind You. It takes many fancy manouvres to check Your six!. When I sit in it, I feel like sitting in a tank! I wish it had a mirror at least... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Anyway, It seems to be a formidable plane for an experienced flyer, but these two mentioned complaints may be common for average/poor flyers trying to fly on FR/almostFR servers. As a result - we don't see many of them fighting online.

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BpGemini
06-07-2004, 09:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
Was it ever used in the Pacific?

Also what FFB stick do you get?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Yes.
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dazza9806482
06-07-2004, 09:53 AM
That is true, however the amount of plating and such is a good indication of the massive amount of damage this plane can sustain. it is a tank!

also im using externals so the visibility aft isnt such a problem.

my main concern is visibility when tracking a target, i got really sick of losing it in the fw's massive cockpit bars!

i hear what your saying art-j, on the rare occassion i fly full real (whatever that means!) i would probably use the mustang.

still i do love the massive cannon

which by the way i set on 500 m con.

machine guns 250m, (although they remain effective outside this i think)

Art-J
06-07-2004, 10:26 AM
500m conv for cannon? Sounds interesting, I think I'll give it a try and do some experiments/tests. All these Mustangs, Spits and Lightnings flying around servers are sometimes boring (of course, I am behind their controls usually http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif). This bird is more exotic and unique. I think I'll try to learn to use it effectively.

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BpGemini
06-07-2004, 10:39 AM
MGs: 250m
Cannon: 100m

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Baltar
06-07-2004, 11:02 AM
I'm mystified as to how anyone ever thought a cannon with such low muzzle velocity was a viable aerial combat weapon, much less build an entire airplane 'around' such a cannon.

p1ngu666
06-07-2004, 11:07 AM
mk108? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
100 for cannon
is like magic on 100 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
gibb i think u said in the past it should turn better than the p39. i have googled but ive found nothing about its handling http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif. maybe u could shed some light on it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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dazza9806482
06-07-2004, 11:16 AM
Really? 100 for cannon?

im surprised, although i wasnt sure how convergence affected a single weapon.

i assumed it was only in the vertical.

how does 100 make such a difference?

does it render long range sniping harder?

dazza9806482
06-07-2004, 11:18 AM
by the way pingu, i see u have a 9800se

me too, i thought it was a big con

fooled me, but then i am a muppet!

cant soft mod mine either http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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06-07-2004, 11:39 AM
plane **** http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif I rather enjoy this plane but I cant hit a darn thing either, guess I should practice it more often then just always in my Hurri.

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Gibbage1
06-07-2004, 11:54 AM
First off, the 37MM was never ment to shoot down fighters. It was ment as a bomber distroyer. The thinking before the war was to stand back out of the bombers defensive firepower and lob a bunch of shells into the formation. There were quite a few designs based around this gun as a "stand off" weapons. P-39 and P-38 were the only ones that were produced. The P-38 changed to the 20MM later on, but some were armed with the 37MM.

I have gotten rather goot at hitting with the 37MM in the P-39/63. The trick is to lead them a mile and let them hit the shell and not you hit them with the shell. Dont try to hit them dead-6. Use the .50 cals to "encourage" them to bank, and when they do, nail them. They present a nice big target that way. Aim for wings or body. Dont bother with the engine or pilot.

100M convergance will help lob the shell up and compensate for the arc. The P-63 uses a differant gun with a much higher velocity so you need to ajust your aim. When attacking bombers, never go for the body. Go for the wing tips.

The 37MM gun is amazingly underpowered even in the recent patch. It sometimes takes up to 4-5 hits to kill a fighter. But after 1 they are hurting and are less likley to pose a threat.

Gibbage

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Baltar:
I'm mystified as to how anyone ever thought a cannon with such low muzzle velocity was a viable aerial combat weapon, much less build an entire airplane 'around' such a cannon.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

BpGemini
06-07-2004, 12:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dazza9806482:
Really? 100 for cannon?

im surprised, although i wasnt sure how convergence affected a single weapon.

i assumed it was only in the vertical.

how does 100 make such a difference?

does it render long range sniping harder?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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dazza9806482
06-07-2004, 12:31 PM
Ah Rayban Jockey

i have heard a lot about him, from his posts he seems ok.

what happened to him?

anyone worried by his absence?

BpGemini
06-07-2004, 12:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dazza9806482:
Ah Rayban Jockey

i have heard a lot about him, from his posts he seems ok.

what happened to him?

anyone worried by his absence?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ray's ok when he's not trolling.
Heck Ray's ok when he is trolling only because it's fun to pwnz him and chuckle.

He's hanging out at CWoS.
I have a link in my sig.

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Cold_Gambler
06-07-2004, 01:06 PM
I like it (P63); nice all-arounder.

I usually have my mguns set to 200 and cannon at 400 or 500. Cannon for long-range sniper shots, mg for head on spray passes or scissors/dogfighting.


Hey Aflak- I notice you're with a squad now, still flying the Yak-9K? (I've given up- too much of a pig now)

Mitlov47
06-07-2004, 03:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
The 37MM gun is amazingly underpowered even in the recent patch. It sometimes takes up to 4-5 hits to kill a fighter.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I noticed that in QMB last night. Not only did it have little effect on fighters (once or twice I severed a wing, but most often it would only start a fuel leak), but bombers were remarkably resilient to it. The He-111 shrugged off 37mm shells like water off a duck's back. Very frustrating, especially since it's so hard to score a single hit to begin with.

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p1ngu666
06-07-2004, 04:00 PM
100 convergance
and single shots also
gib, can u shed light on the turning ablity of the p63?
from a previous post i think it was meant tobe better than p39
oh ive lost my touch with this bird http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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p1ngu666
06-07-2004, 04:03 PM
ah dazza http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

i bought a pretested one off a friend http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

oh ctrl g turns off the wing guns for sniping http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Gibbage1
06-07-2004, 04:07 PM
In the book, America's 100,000, it list's the P-63 as the 2nd best US turner. I think the F4F was #1, with the P-61 in #3. I asked Oleg about this and he said the P-63 can only out-turn P-39 at high speed, not low speed. I tested this and it seems that even at high speed, the P-39 has quite the edge over the P-63 because the P-63 wants to stall more, and without warning due to its laminar flow wings. So I have addopted a high speed slashing manuver in the P-63 were in the P-39 I will turn-n-burn.

I asked Oleg about this.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
gib, can u shed light on the turning ablity of the p63?
from a previous post i think it was meant tobe better than p39
oh ive lost my touch with this bird http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
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Gibbage1
06-07-2004, 04:09 PM
The wing guns slow you down a LOT. Test your top speed with and without wing guns. I dont think the loss in speed justify's the added firepower. If it was 2 20MM or the .50's were actually accurate, yes. But not for 2 .50's that spreay all over the place.

Gib

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
ah dazza http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

i bought a pretested one off a friend http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

oh ctrl g turns off the wing guns for sniping http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Locust_
06-07-2004, 05:38 PM
Personaly I think its a great ac Most people wont fly it cause it cant turn like a yak3 I guess, anyway its fast as HECK has a wicked cannon & can pack plenty Bombs to Blues Base be sure http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif & its very tough too...

I asked this same question a while back & I come to the conclusion that because it takes alot of guning skill to shoot ac down with it many wont fly it.....

If they would spend 2 weeks flying & shooting with it they would get the aim down you can fly around @ 700kmh & shoot the gun at targets you have to wait untill they make a mistake normaly then clean there clock with a deflection shot...

All in All its a great ac

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T_O_A_D
06-07-2004, 05:44 PM
Ok I beleive you but do you have documentaion. Working on a pacific server and want only what was there in it. The two Islands aree so close that allied needs something to deal with the ki-84

Oh I am a full blown stut aswell, jack of all master of none http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BpGemini:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
Was it ever used in the Pacific?

Also what FFB stick do you get?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Yes.
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CV8_Dudeness
06-07-2004, 10:40 PM
actually Locust if you are in scync with the plane it will perform very good tight turns

but yes it is a easy plane to stall & flying it in T&B fights is not easy

Aaron_GT
06-08-2004, 12:19 AM
The biggest negative aspect of the P-63 is the muzzle flash. It causes temporary but drastic frame rate slow downs which makes combat with it more difficult than it shuold.

Mitlov47
06-08-2004, 01:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
The biggest negative aspect of the P-63 is the muzzle flash. It causes temporary but drastic frame rate slow downs which makes combat with it more difficult than it shuold.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not to mention obscuring the entire effing gunsight...

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GAU-8
06-08-2004, 01:44 AM
i dont have the luxury in a lot of servers to take up a YAK-9K, so if given the chance, i take the P-63..

shes a fine aircraft, but im so used to a slooooow firing cannon, that in the 63, im almost always "overleading" my target when firing the cannon. completely different reaction, and twist. I have to get used to that.. muzzle flash is no concern compared to the 9K... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif a plus on my side

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06-08-2004, 01:50 AM
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p1ngu666
06-08-2004, 02:00 AM
cool, ill give it a try
the p63 has longer wings and the tips are rounded like 109, woulda thought that would give it better handling than a p51. all things being equal http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Gibbage1
06-08-2004, 02:03 AM
I just showed TOAD how lethal the P-63's 37MM is. Sent a 37 into his tail from 500M when he was closing in on a P-38 on my team. He lost controles in his Ki-84 and never got the shot off on the P-38. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Gib

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WOLFMondo
06-08-2004, 02:28 AM
I think the P63 takes more skill to be successful in combat than most a/c as that 37mm takes allot of practice to get good with.

My gunnerry skills aren't bad, there not that great either but I can't hit the side of a barn with that 37mm cannon.

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dazza9806482
06-08-2004, 02:40 AM
I take it the 37mm cannon fires non explosive shells, does that account for the damage- the shells fly straight through?, Even one hit will seriously reduce the enemies combat ability.

i tried 100m con, however i think il stick with 500m, maybe im just used to it, but i find i can pull off some pretty long range shots with a long convergence. doubtless tho the mk108 is an infinitely better armament.
but then the P63 looks class imho, muscular like the fw190, but not such a dog to fly.
i like the rear mounted engine.

BpGemini
06-08-2004, 08:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dazza9806482:
I take it the 37mm cannon fires non explosive shells, does that account for the damage- the shells fly straight through?, Even one hit will seriously reduce the enemies combat ability.

i tried 100m con, however i think il stick with 500m, maybe im just used to it, but i find i can pull off some pretty long range shots with a long convergence. doubtless tho the mk108 is an infinitely better armament.
but then the P63 looks class imho, muscular like the fw190, but not such a dog to fly.
i like the rear mounted engine.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Convergence is mainly what you're accustomed to. I think you'd have more options getting used to 100m but if you're comfortable with 500m then more power to you.

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Gibbage1
06-08-2004, 11:29 AM
All P-39 and P-63 shells are HE's.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dazza9806482:
I take it the 37mm cannon fires non explosive shells, does that account for the damage- the shells fly straight through?, Even one hit will seriously reduce the enemies combat ability.

i tried 100m con, however i think il stick with 500m, maybe im just used to it, but i find i can pull off some pretty long range shots with a long convergence. doubtless tho the mk108 is an infinitely better armament.
but then the P63 looks class imho, muscular like the fw190, but not such a dog to fly.
i like the rear mounted engine.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Mitlov47
06-08-2004, 02:16 PM
AN OPEN LETTER TO THE P-63:

Dear Mr. KingCobra:

I'm sorry I was so mean to you. You didn't deserve it.

I'm sorry I said I couldn't hit s--- with your cannon. Clearly I had never set convergence to 100m before.

I'm sorry I said your cannon was underpowered. He-111s still seem to have a magic immunity, but of the 12 hits I just scored against fighters, 11 severed either a wing or the tail section. Brownings have never given me so many fiery, splintering kills, and it was wrong of me to doubt you.

I'm sorry I didn't fully appreciate your flight abilities. The ability to outrun a Focke-Wulf is truly wonderful. I like flying at treetop-level, and you do that beautifully like no other USAAF plane. I feel awful for the things I said behind your back.

I'm sorry I called you ugly. In my defense, you are one hell of a funny-looking SOB.

Apologizing like American Idol's Reuben,
EMitton

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p1ngu666
06-08-2004, 02:19 PM
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Mitlov47
06-08-2004, 04:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EMitton:
I'm sorry I called you ugly. In my defense, you are one hell of a funny-looking SOB.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Revision to above open letter:
I'm sorry I called you ugly. In my defense, you ARE one hell of a funny-looking SOB. In your defense, you look 500 times better with invasion stripes. Then again, what plane doesn't?

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Mitlov47
06-08-2004, 05:14 PM
Dang it dazza9806482, look what you made me do to my sig image by starting this whole thread...

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Istreliteli
06-08-2004, 07:52 PM
ive always wondered with all airplanes, however especialy with P-39/63, how different convergence for guns and cannon both work...gunsite is the gunsight is the gunsight, not two gunsights...yeah...any answers?

Ya sizhu i smotru chuzhoya neba iz chuzhoya okna, i ne vidyem ne odnoi znakom iz zvezdiy,ya hodil po vsyem dorogo iz tuda i suda, a vernusya i ne smog, razgredyet sledi, no isli yest karmane pachka sigaret nachat vsye ne tak uzh plocha na syevodnachniy dyen-Victor Tsoi, Kino (Gruppa Krovi)

Gibbage1
06-08-2004, 08:02 PM
When you set the 37MM to say like 500M, it will shoot the shell UP so that it arcs. It will fall down at the 500M mark. When you set it at 100M, it fires straight as an arrow. If your right behind someone at 200M, and fire with your canon at 500M it will pass over the target. At 100M setting it will hit. The shell will stay flat for about 200-300M and then start to fall. But you must remember to aim high at distant targets.

Gib

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Istreliteli:
ive always wondered with all airplanes, however especialy with P-39/63, how different convergence for guns and cannon both work...gunsite is the gunsight is the gunsight, not two gunsights...yeah...any answers?

Ya sizhu i smotru chuzhoya neba iz chuzhoya okna, i ne vidyem ne odnoi znakom iz zvezdiy,ya hodil po vsyem dorogo iz tuda i suda, a vernusya i ne smog, razgredyet sledi, no isli yest karmane pachka sigaret nachat vsye ne tak uzh plocha na syevodnachniy dyen-Victor Tsoi, Kino (Gruppa Krovi) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

dazza9806482
06-09-2004, 01:59 AM
Sry Emitton, I can see that your heartfelt apologetic and i think King Cobra forgives you!

And even tho it looks a wee bit naff, the 63 really has a class name. a bit like 'Har Mar Superstar'.

its a shame u dont play online, p63 tag team!

Gibbage thanks for the convergence explanation, totally refutes my reasoning, i guess ive been lucky so far. I will try 100m, makes sense

does this convergence apply only to nose mounted guns?

Locust_
06-09-2004, 02:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Istreliteli:
ive always wondered with all airplanes, however especialy with P-39/63, how different convergence for guns and cannon both work...gunsite is the gunsight is the gunsight, not two gunsights...yeah...any answers?

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