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WARHorse82
04-12-2004, 11:26 AM
I'm getting this game soon and have been interested in getting it for a LONG time.What I want to is what kind of things I should look forward to when I take to the skies for the first time.I plan on going on-line and what not.Just want to know what a newbie is to expect for his first time.

WARHorse82
04-12-2004, 11:26 AM
I'm getting this game soon and have been interested in getting it for a LONG time.What I want to is what kind of things I should look forward to when I take to the skies for the first time.I plan on going on-line and what not.Just want to know what a newbie is to expect for his first time.

BSS_Goat
04-12-2004, 11:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WARHorse82:
I plan on going on-line and what not.Just want to know what a newbie is to expect for his first time.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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WARHorse82
04-12-2004, 11:36 AM
Well,undoubtedly I expect to meet a pathetic death my first time out.But,whats the on-line like...

BSS_Goat
04-12-2004, 11:41 AM
I dont fly online that much ..... but when I do I see some very good pilots and some very bad pilots. The good ones will make you say "How the hell did he do that?" and the bad ones will make you say "Why the hell did he do that?"

Just make sure you can take off and land you'll learn the rest online.

LilHorse
04-12-2004, 11:43 AM
Be sure to get a firm grasp of things offline first. The more you know about these a/c (flight physics, engine management, etc.) the more it'll help you. I'm only saying this since I don't know where you're coming from. Some ppl used to jet sims buy this one and wonder why they pancake on the runway when they are trying to rotate on takeoff. Or they wonder why their engine is smoking when they get above 5000 meters (oops! forgot to lean out the fuel mixture.) Then once you get the hang of things offline you should then prepare to have your a$$ handed to you for a while online. Don't get discouraged. It happens to everybody when they are new to online. Hell, I still have periods when I'm a target drone online http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif But it's worth it when you have those moments of success.

Anyway, welcome to the community that flies the best WWII combat flight sim in the world. People here are a nutty bunch but most are willing to answer any questions and give any tips they have.

Tully__
04-12-2004, 11:44 AM
The first thing to look forward to is a steep learning curve.

Before you do anything else, play the training films and practice what they teach (though you can usually ignore the advice about using flaps on takeoff if you want). Do this before applying any patches, as the training tracks don't work right after patching.

If you buy the Forgotten Battles gold pack, don't apply the expansion before at least viewing the training tracks for the same reason.

Online will be very daunting at first, particularly if you've never flown in other sims online before. Humans are so much more versatile and unpredictable than AI, no matter how good the AI. We all had to learn at some stage though, so don't be discouraged.

Get to know the people in the lobby. Many will be glad to assist with demonstrations.

Get voice comms. The common ones are Teamspeak2 and Ventrilo, if you have those two you're mostly covered. Though there's a voice comm function built into the game, very few use it.

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carguy_
04-12-2004, 11:48 AM
My personal advices:

1.Stay out of dogfight servers.There are 2-3 that are really worth playing on.Most servers have stupid settings and bad-whiner pilots.

2.Fly only full difficulty realism settings,well maybe with icons or speedbar on.Everything besides those is a waste of time if you want to learn.

3.Fly online wars such as VOW and VEF.I have met most elite pilots there who are always willing to teach n00bs.Basically everything that`s best in FB resembles online wars.

4.Join an online squadron.Look if they fly in your time zone and are well organised.Don`t pick the first one you see.Every sqad wants new pilots but only few will make you enjoy this game even more.That includes knowing tactics,lots of squad team training,internal squad vs squad wars and many more.

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nickdanger3
04-12-2004, 01:40 PM
My advice would be to practice with the Quick Mission Builder. When you can shoot down a plane in real time (ie. not on halfspeed) and with limited ammo, then do 1 entire pilot career, ALL the missions. Doesn't really matter which nation or plane(s) you pick, but fighters are probably more fun for the beginner. By the end, you'll know how to take off, fly, shoot, land, and navigate. Then get online and the learning process can start all over again.

LEXX_Luthor
04-12-2004, 03:21 PM
Wellcome to the Forgotten Board. You will first need to train offwhine, and several aircraft are very good self starters for the flight sim Newbie and are easy to fly. The first two below very easy to fly, and almost take off by themselves.

TB~3 early 1930s 4 engine bomber
IL~2 ground attack
Polish P11 1930s fighter

Then just learn only how to load a mission file and (File - Open - Run )in the mission editor (Full Mission Builder) and ask others here to provide you with a small training mission (we can post missions here and you can cut~n~paste em to your mission folder....the "Quick Mission Builder" does not let you take off from the ground but drops you into the air.

...if you like doing that you can join the mission builder cult.

And you download millions of airplane skins and stuff from http://www.il2skins.com they are Awsum. We can give tips to maximize grafix and gameplay and stuff even if you have integrated Trident motherboard video like I used to when I bought the FB.

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horseback
04-12-2004, 07:57 PM
1. Get a decent joystick-it will need a Point of View (POV) hat switch, a throttle, and a twist rudder feature, with at least 8 buttons. Most people will advocate a Saitek model, or if you can find a Micro$oft stick for a reasonable price, grab that. They are also well thought of here. Once you're hooked, you can start saving for a Couger or CH Products HOTAS setup.

2. Read the manual, and keep track of the Control Assignments you make for each pilot career. You can reassign joystick buttons or keyboard keys to commands and points of view you prefer. As you learn the fine points, feel free to innovate with your control assignments.

3. Don't give up. This game/sim is hard to master. Every aircraft has a different Flight Model (FM), and each requires a different approach. It takes time and practice to master most types. You can't expect to learn them overnight.

4. First, use the individual Missions to set your convergences to something like 200 meteres for your cannon and machine guns. The Default setting is 500m, which makes MGs almost useless, and cannon a bit slow. The ballistics in this game are optimized for the Real-Life tactic of shoving your guns right into the enemy's rudder before pulling the trigger.

5. Use the Quick Mission Builder to set up big friendly targets at first, then fighter sized friendlies, and as you've learned how to move and shoot, start on the hostile bombers and move up the scale as your skills improve. The satisfaction of tearing into some AI's fuselage with your cannon can never be overstated, especially after you've spent a couple of days getting your @ss shot off by them.

6. This is supposed to be fun. Don't go all anal on us after we've been so nice to you. Learn the difference between top speed and accelleration, understand that hamhandedness leads to stalls at any speed, and just because the plane you're flying on-line is supposed to turn tighter than that other plane doesn't mean you have the skill to make it do so ...yet. It isn't cheating to be good at something you've worked at for a couple of years.

On the other hand, remember that the AI does cheat, and get over it (or get even- the b@stards are pretty predictable).

cheers

horseback

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Lunix
04-13-2004, 01:25 AM
Online community is about as good as it gets. Online you will find a variety of scenarios ranging from no cockpit "fur-ball" arcade style action to historical missions with period aircraft. Most of us are totally friendly and will be glad to give a hand to a new player. Of course in the background we are starting to drool at the prospect of an easy kill http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Experten: "Yup and gently pull the stick at 200Kmph"
N00b: "Hey why are all those planes circling overhead?"
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Dolemite-
04-13-2004, 01:35 AM
Use Hyperlobby. And when you you do, stay away from me, Im moody.... Grrr!

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WARHorse82
04-13-2004, 10:48 AM
Thanks guys http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifHopefully I can follow all the great advice you've given...I'm really excited about getting this game because I've wanted a straight up air combat sim.My biggest reservation was that I wouldn't get any suggestions as what to expect,but you guys have been extremely helpful.Thanks again.

DuxCorvan
04-13-2004, 11:17 AM
Learn to insult and flame all people around.

Then, you have to fly in a 109 and protest it cannot reach a P-80 in level flight, because it is cool, and damn, a plane so cool has to be the best.

Then boast about your victories vulching parked aircraft while their pilots had gone to pi$$. Say it's not historically accurate that your gun rounds cannot down twenty B-17s just by passing near, and post many data graphs about this.

Go to "Oleg's Ready Room" and continue the fight against other onliners there. Post many requests there, and always title them "Oleg, please, do this" and "Oleg, please, do that". Tell him constantly that a feature he likes, just 'sux', and make him happy.

Remember to call all the planes you don't use "œber" "UFOs" and "nOOb planes". Fly coops and start suicidal manoeuvers, follow the enemy to their bases, come back for more even if you lack a wing, and steal all your comrades' kills, even if you have to shoot them, because, why do they get in the middle?

Finally, don't forget not to use capitals, commas or pauses in your posts, because that is only for offliners. Even better, use only capitals, because you must be always very angry, and don't forget to put things such as 'sux', 'crap', '*******' and '******ed' every five or six words.

If you follow these instructions closely, you'll be admired for generations, for ever and ever, or just till we get tired of it and forget the whole theme.

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WARHorse82
04-13-2004, 11:30 AM
Should I start taking notes about this now or later http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

LilHorse
04-13-2004, 11:47 AM
One more thing. Someone suggested certain stick types (Horseback I think). People have their preferences but I would say to get a set of rudder pedals rather than a twisty-stick if you can swing it. I think it helps alot. And not just for co-ordinated flight. It really helps make takeoff/ landing, gunnery and spin recovery so much better. Plus there is the immersion factor of using pedals.

Willey
04-13-2004, 04:27 PM
So many horses over here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

JG7_Rall
04-13-2004, 05:03 PM
S!

Welcome. I'd recommend getting a good stick, practicing in the QMB (quick mission builder) and learning to fly whatever plane you like and shoot with it, and then getting online as FAST as possible. The humans are sooo much better than AI and you'll have wasted so much time learning to master AI and then going online and getting spanked if you do.

As for practicing offline:

1) Set up QMB

2)Select any plane you like, I'd suggest the Hurricane to start

3)Load 4 IL2's with no ammunition for the rear gunner to shoot back at you with

4)Learn to fly your plane and shoot with it. Also practice taking off and landing and you should be all set to fly online...skill will come with time my friend.

S!

Hutch

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Bearcat99
04-14-2004, 12:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Learn to insult and flame all people around.
Then, you have to fly in a 109 and protest it cannot reach a P-80 in level flight, because it is cool, and damn, a plane so cool has to be the best.
Then boast about your victories vulching parked aircraft while their pilots had gone to pi$$. Say it's not historically accurate that your gun rounds cannot down twenty B-17s just by passing near, and post many data graphs about this.
Go to "Oleg's Ready Room" and continue the fight against other onliners there. Post many requests there, and always title them "Oleg, please, do this" and "Oleg, please, do that". Tell him constantly that a feature he likes, just 'sux', and make him happy.
Remember to call all the planes you don't use "œber" "UFOs" and "nOOb planes". Fly coops and start suicidal manoeuvers, follow the enemy to their bases, come back for more even if you lack a wing, and steal all your comrades' kills, even if you have to shoot them, because, why do they get in the middle?
Finally, don't forget not to use capitals, commas or pauses in your posts, because that is only for offliners. Even better, use only capitals, because you must be always very angry, and don't forget to put things such as 'sux', 'crap', '*******' and '******ed' every five or six words.
If you follow these instructions closely, you'll be admired for generations, for ever and ever, or just till we get tired of it and forget the whole theme.
Welcome! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

Welcome aboard..... my 2 cents? I would suggest you start out with rookie AI and start dogfighting in older planes. Then move up to the more "modern" ones. You only need do this for about a week.... or less if you like...but its a lot of fun and it helps you get used to the FB flight models which are unlike any you may have experienced. I would also suggest you fly with unlimmited ammo untill you can hit the enemy 80% of the time with short bursts.... I said hit the enemy not neccessarily shoot him down. Use short bursts so you dont develope the bad habit of holding down the trigger which can come back to haunt you later once you start using limited ammo. Once you can get those 80% strikes I suggest you start to go to limited ammo so you can get used to the load outs and concentrate on getting more accurate with your shots. After that you can go from limmited to unlimmited... just remember that online for the most part you will find limited ammo... especially in the DF servers. Some coops offer unlimmited ammo simply because of the amount of targets... LOL. You might want to try coops too... they are different from the shootemup DF servers in that there are clerly defined mission goals... bomb the bridge, escort the bombers, stop the trains etc. You might also want to practice take offs and landings too. Set up a QM with no enemy... and just land and take off. Go from one airfield to another and another etc. Fly several planes but try to settle on one....and one that is competitive.... even if it is difficult.. if you like it fly it and learn its ways. I recommend a Spit, Hurri, La-5, P-40,Ki-84.... even a P-39.. All these planes have good handling and they have decent armament. The Spits and Hurris are somewhat limited but they are nice to fly. If a challenge is what you want then a FW-190 or a 109 is for you. They are good planes but they take skill to master. That only comes with lots of practice. Start out in the QMB. You dont want to use friendly planes as targets because they wont try to evade you too much and you want to learn the pursuit tecniques. You also dont want to use no ammo in the AI because you also want to have something to avoid.... you learn bad habits when you dont have an enemy that will fight back. Im no ace by any stretch... I thin I have been shot down by 75% of the people on this forum who play online at least once. The thing is though...forget about points and kills and all that stuff.. Just have fun and that will come. I must warn you though... online is totally different from off line. Once you get used to the rookie AI kick it up a notch. You will find this sim will suck up a lot of your time and a lot of your disposable cash too trying to get it to run better and better... no matter how good it is its never good enough..... its a grat sim and probably the most bang for buck in a piece of software you will ever get.... for now anyway. Good luck.

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