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A.K.Davis
01-29-2004, 11:14 PM

A.K.Davis
01-29-2004, 11:14 PM
Which Craplanelicious theatre would you like to see added to FB?

--AKD

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FltLt_HardBall
01-29-2004, 11:18 PM
Bring it on. I love Crap Planes. I Love the Thirties!

waterinthefuel
01-29-2004, 11:59 PM
Crap planes? I vote for the 109, 190, uh the entire Mig or Yak lineup, oh nevermind they are already in there. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WUAF_Badsight
01-30-2004, 12:52 AM
go look

it will probably be more detailed than FB is now

http://www.aspectsimulations.com/Prod_KOE.htm

JaVA_nijssie
01-30-2004, 01:28 AM
Yeah lets have those pretty one's in.( pretty forgotten that is)
All those french stuff to begin with.

Storm_Bird
01-30-2004, 01:49 AM
I'm enjory to dogfight with A6Ms, but I don't know why my friends told me, if Gemany use A6M in early WWII, Gemany will win the war.

http://www.moxing.net/ww2/plant/german/he162-4.jpg

Domar2
01-30-2004, 01:56 AM
We need the Winter war! Finland had small, but good airforce which protected finland from russian bombers! I wan´t to fly that Focker D.XXI and C.V and so on. We already got the map (Only few changes to number of airfields), and we only would need the planes to Finland side and some models to russian side, like I-15 and maybe some TB bomber models.

SpinSpinSugar
01-30-2004, 04:15 AM
Personally, France 1939.

Hurris, Battles and Blenheims plus a whole HOST of exotically crap French planes vs early Emils and 110s. And the usual Luftwaffe twin bombers.

If not, I'll vote for your Malta.

PB0_Roll
01-30-2004, 04:56 AM
same as spinspinsugar http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

F19_Olli72
01-30-2004, 05:46 AM
I voted SCW, but actually im divided between that and the Winter war.

Capt_Haddock
01-30-2004, 06:13 AM
Brillaint idea http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hard to decide to be honest.

I voted for the Spanish Civil War as it has by far the most varied collection of crap planes, but I wound also love to see the Winter War or Malta properly done. Good thing is that the winter war is not that hard to get with the current planeset, and the Gladiator it's alrady on its way http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Sagittario
01-30-2004, 06:16 AM
I voted Malta 1940 but also Spanish Civil War would be nice

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owlwatcher
01-30-2004, 06:24 AM
Voted Spanish Civil
This theate was the testing grounds for the 2ndWW.

Fornixx
01-30-2004, 07:30 AM
Love the crap planes, just love them.

Why settle for one wing when you can have two, or three, or four.

S!

Bogun
01-30-2004, 08:23 AM
It is very tough call between Nomonhan/Khalkin Gol and Spanish Civil War. I would love to see both of those...

Love this game!

Regards,

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- Walter Wolfrum

SeaFireLIV
01-30-2004, 09:04 AM
Hmmm. Interesting. Most of the others I hardly know except for the Finnish and Spanish Civil war.

I guess it would have to be the Civil war. It would be interesting since I only ever play allied/Russian. So I`d basically be fighting a conflict I`m destined to lose (the guys opposing the Axis forces did lose, didn`t they? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif)

SeaFireLIV...

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GT182
01-30-2004, 09:06 AM
I know Oleg is working on BoB but I would love to see a map of the UK and Europe for the ETO in FB now that the B17s are in. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I voted Malta.

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DuxCorvan
01-30-2004, 09:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I guess it would have to be the Civil war. It would be interesting since I only ever play allied/Russian. So I`d basically be fighting a conflict I`m destined to lose (the guys opposing the Axis forces did lose, didn`t they? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

History says that Spanish Republican forces -supported by communist URSS and foreign volunteers- lost the war against Spanish Nationalist forces -supported by nazi Germany and fascist Italy.

Actually, BOTH foreign opposite forces WON the war -gaining both military experience and reputation- and BOTH Spanish sides LOST it -the Republicans being bound to persecution and exile, and the 'winners' languishing under a 40 years dictatorship.

I voted for SCW for three reasons:

- The first is obvious: I'm a Spaniard.
- Second: My brother & me having invested LOTS of hours since kids in knowing so much about SCW air warfare, and constructing nearly all model kits available even of the weirdest birds.
- Third: You'll never find a better example of air warfare evolution. In three years you are witness of the progress from near WW1 stuff -fabric covered biplanes like Breguet XIXs and so- to the amazing power of the all metallic cantilever Blitzkrieg Luftwaffe and Reggia Aeronautica against the early WW2 soviet stuff you can see in Il-2 sims.

SCW+FB technology: O that would be the GAME for me...

- Dux Corvan -
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Capt_Haddock
01-30-2004, 09:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Actually, BOTH foreign opposite forces WON the war -gaining both military experience and reputation- and BOTH Spanish sides LOST it -the Republicans being bound to persecution and exile, and the 'winners' languishing under a 40 years dictatorship.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That it's by FAR the best description of the Spanish Civil War I've ever read. Thanks so much Dux http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Mogster
01-30-2004, 12:24 PM
Malta gets my vote. I spent quite a few summer holidays there when I was small. I'd love to see a Malta map in FB.

MOG

guderian_ente
01-30-2004, 12:53 PM
AK Davis, you are a sadist! Making me choose between all these wonderful crap plane scenarios, so hearbreaking and so unfair...

In the end it had to be the Spanish Crap Plane War (http://www.zi.ku.dk/personal/drnash/model/spain/did.html) though, with Nomohan (http://world.std.com/~Ted7/altcamp5.htm#cNomonhan) in second place and the almost totally forgotten Chinese theatre (http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v2/v2n2/china30s.html) in third.


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[This message was edited by guderian_ente on Fri January 30 2004 at 01:26 PM.]

XyZspineZyX
01-30-2004, 03:19 PM
Yer sayin' the Chinese war planes were "crap planes"???

Bite your tongue!!! The Ki-27 Nate was kicking butt until 1942. The A5M4 Claude didn't see as much action as the Nate, but was probably the equal of it's Army brother. On the other side, the I-16 was not a slouch for its time period.

The Chiinese and Far East theatres did have some crap planes (Dutch Wildebeests, Wirraways, Hudsons and American Buffaloes), but the entire area was not a "crap plane theatre".

A.K.Davis
01-30-2004, 03:22 PM
You entirely miss the point Stiglr. Go be a grumpy old man elsewhere.

--AKD

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Capt_Haddock
01-30-2004, 03:47 PM
We should work on a "Crap Plane FAQ" someday http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Stiglr, the name comes as an alternative movement against the "Uber-Plane" obsession so usual around here in the old IL2 days.
For the Crap Plane lover flying faster, higher, and with more guns is not necessarily better. Challenge = fun http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Agreed that some of those planes were state-of-the-art when they were designed, but most of them share the honour of being obsolete by the time they joined front line units.

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KG26_Alpha
01-30-2004, 07:00 PM
Malta Map for me

Yea bomb that "lookie lookie" man on the beach selling bloody elephants !!! that used to pester me when i was there in the 70's

CantabCommie
01-30-2004, 07:17 PM
Well, I voted Winter War, but I would like to add a write-in ballot for France 1939/40.

A.K.Davis
01-30-2004, 08:25 PM
I left France 1939/40 and Poland 1939 off the ballot because both are projects underway for BoB add-ons (they were originally for FB, but the teams decided to go for BoB instead).

--AKD

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Tooz_69GIAP
01-31-2004, 08:37 AM
I went for Spanish Civil War as it was the testing ground of most nations new fighter planes, and was the birth of "modern" aviation. Not to mention the amount of nations available, the planes available, the tie-ins that can be made to IL2 and FB via Russian aces and German aces would be very interesting.

And it would be a nice change to have hot sandy tomato orchards as opposed to the cold frozen steppes of Russia!!

Tooz

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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Bobsqueek
01-31-2004, 08:56 AM
put all of them in one sim

LEXX_Luthor
01-31-2004, 01:27 PM
Bobsqueek:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>put all of them in one sim<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Good Thinking. All of the 1930s Theater ideas here will have Soviet aircraft anyway--Finland, Poland, China, Mongolia, SPAIN, etc... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



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Bobsqueek
02-01-2004, 05:15 AM
and no moaning about luft 46 planes either

no banned jets

just pure dogfighting http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

F19_Olli72
02-01-2004, 06:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bobsqueek:
and no moaning about luft 46 planes either

no banned jets

just pure dogfighting http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, no...we shouldnt forget the crap bombers! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

owlwatcher
02-01-2004, 06:34 AM
Those bombers with hanging baskets for gunners stations. Talk about a good view!?!?

Bobsqueek
02-01-2004, 06:53 AM
ahhh the bombers....

they had more protection for their bombs than the crew

Mike_Green
02-01-2004, 08:52 AM
My crap planes shopping list:
Gloster Gladiator
Hawker Fury

Bombers:
Wellington
Hampden
Stirling

Others:
Westland Lysander (Does this count as crap? slow, difficult to fly, and gloriously pointless in online fragfests)

Tiger Moth (bomb racks were prepared for the Tiger Moth in anticipation of the German invasion of the UK, but were never used. Put the bomb racks on and you've got crap plane heaven)

Obviously my Brit bias is showing here, but I'd also love a P26.

All of these are 'Good crap'. In contrast, I would find Flying a Blenhein as a fighter, or a Fairey Battle, depressing as I thought of the senseless waste of life inflicted by putting them on the Front Line.

Previously known round these parts as mikeyg007

Afreaka
02-01-2004, 11:49 AM
Keystone B-3A http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/b3a-6.jpg
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/bomber1.htm

rbstr44
02-02-2004, 12:01 AM
SCW! SCW! SCW! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

masamainio
02-02-2004, 02:45 PM
It would be cool to have a hypothetical scenario with planes from late twenties to late thirties. Many of those real planes were stranger than Crimson Skies, especially some French flying greenhouses. Could have airships too....

Must have this

http://www.zi.ku.dk/personal/drnash/model/spain/Media/Br27.gif

[This message was edited by masamainio on Mon February 02 2004 at 01:57 PM.]

Pentallion
02-03-2004, 02:19 AM
I voted Malta because then you'd get to see all those Italian planes get used. And there were so many great battles in that small area.

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nearmiss
02-03-2004, 12:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Storm_Bird:
I'm enjory to dogfight with A6Ms, but I don't know why my friends told me, if Gemany use A6M in early WWII, Gemany will win the war.

http://www.moxing.net/ww2/plant/german/he162-4.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where the heck have you been. The Germans and Japanese won the friggin' war. They were nothing countries before WW2, 6 million dead and Germany and Japan are the now the 2nd and 3rd richest nations in the WORLD. Neither, Germany or Japan ever had the world stature compared to what they enjoy now.

I don't think an A6M2, etc. would have made a bit of difference....LOL

The Winning is obscured. Kinda like being stabbed in the heart, by a dude that is smiling at you all the time he's killing you. The victim just can't identify being stabbed with the killer's smiling face. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Winning can be obscure, the guy getting the accolades and trophies...just could be the loser http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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[This message was edited by nearmiss on Tue February 03 2004 at 03:41 PM.]

depalmer
02-05-2004, 12:05 AM
How about Oleg finishing IL2FB and making the Continuation and war fully possible for the Finns. Need flyable Curtis Hawks. Fokker DXXI early I15's and I16's added to the Aces pack. Frankly minimal work for Oeg and Company and they could charge us $19.95 more and we would gladly pay it.

Gato-Loco
02-05-2004, 01:05 PM
I'm for China pre-1939. Also a bizarre mix of old russan, french and american planes.

Bobsqueek
02-05-2004, 01:54 PM
hmm bundle them all into one sim

and call it:

"fracas (sp?) of the thirties"

rbstr44
02-07-2004, 10:58 AM
*bump*

RobertNighthawk
02-09-2004, 08:07 AM
SCW with Ernest Hemingway modelled as an ambulance driver. How about "Crap Planes of the Lost Generation"? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

S!
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A.K.Davis
02-09-2004, 11:13 AM
Hemingway drove an ambulance in Italy during the First World War...

--AKD

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SteelMag12
02-09-2004, 12:25 PM
yeah we need the bf-109b and bristol bulldog, hawker fury, cr 32, i-15, P-26, ki-26.......ahhh old planes rock!

RobertNighthawk
02-09-2004, 06:03 PM
Right on, ADK. A poor attempt at best by yours truy. Did you hear about them opening his room which was undisterbed for many years in Cuba?

http://www.cubatravelexperts.com/hemingway.html

PE_Sushi
02-10-2004, 04:39 AM
winter war would be fine : flyable Italian planes are on the way, Gladiator (?) and I-15 too and Fokker DXXI is under development, we just lack early I-16 and I-153

A plane I'd like to see is the Boulton Paul Defiant (aka the mother of all crap) but I don't know if it was used apart from BoB

CARBONFREEZE
02-12-2004, 04:45 AM
I think the Aleutian Chain/Alaska Peninsula would be nice. Lacking in any sim I have seen to date (worst flying weather in the world+ good navigation skill required).

P-40, P-38, PBY, Betty, Zero, B-25, B-17, and probly some others I forgot to mention (2am here).

It would be a large map (about 2x as wide as the Gulf Of Finland) but not much to model, about 20 islands, a large peninsula, and maybe go up to Kodiak; model Dutch Harbor and whatnot. Do a Google search on Aleutian WW2 History or somesuch lots of info.. A good read is "Thousand Mile War" by Brian Garfield.

Russian aircraft require skill to fly.
German aircraft require ten times that skill, and one hundred times the patience!

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CARBONFREEZE
02-12-2004, 04:47 AM
Oh ya, and what ever happened to Tully's Corsair and "Crap Plane Thread" link? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Russian aircraft require skill to fly.
German aircraft require ten times that skill, and one hundred times the patience!

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christopher65
02-12-2004, 05:47 AM
What about the Italian campaign in Ethiopia?That would be interesting.

Therr_
02-12-2004, 06:01 AM
Hallo all

My vote got Malta http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
why? simple.... much bombers, much ships, much fun for figher pilots and especially diving bombers and pilots of he111 and ju88

Spain? ok, I fly mainly on blue side http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
for me is ok too but i was able to vote only once http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

sorry for my English but...http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

A.K.Davis
02-12-2004, 11:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CARBONFREEZE:
I think the Aleutian Chain/Alaska Peninsula would be nice. Lacking in any sim I have seen to date (worst flying weather in the world+ good navigation skill required).

P-40, P-38, PBY, Betty, Zero, B-25, B-17, and probly some others I forgot to mention (2am here).

It would be a large map (about 2x as wide as the Gulf Of Finland) but not much to model, about 20 islands, a large peninsula, and maybe go up to Kodiak; model Dutch Harbor and whatnot. Do a Google search on Aleutian WW2 History or somesuch lots of info.. A good read is "Thousand Mile War" by Brian Garfield.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Blasphemy! Not a single one of those is a Crap Plane (TM).

--AKD

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Capt_Haddock
02-12-2004, 03:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by A.K.Davis:
Blasphemy! Not a single one of those is a Crap Plane (TM).
--AKD
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
LOL. Indeed. You don't get the Crap Planes (TM) title for nothing... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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F19_Orheim
02-12-2004, 04:24 PM
hehe so right .. not crap planes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

talking 'bout crap planes, we got a request for a P-35 (J9) over at Netwings mon Capitaine http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Must say, it has a great 30ish design, even though it's not a biplane...

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CARBONFREEZE
02-12-2004, 11:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by A.K.Davis:
Blasphemy! Not a single one of those is a Crap Plane (TM).

--AKD

http://www.flyingpug.com/pugline2.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

BAH! It is still a theater that needs to be done.

Russian aircraft require skill to fly.
German aircraft require ten times that skill, and one hundred times the patience!

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A.K.Davis
02-13-2004, 01:32 AM
Yes, but it is not a Crap Plane theatre. The Aleutians are hereby banished from my thread.

--AKD

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Capt_Haddock
02-13-2004, 10:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
talking 'bout crap planes, we got a request for a P-35 (J9) over at Netwings mon Capitaine http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Must say, it has a great 30ish design, even though it's not a biplane...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmmm. Lovely. It has that I-don't-know-very-well-how-to-stick-all-these-parts-together feel to it. So IMHO that makes it a legitimate memeber of the Crap Plane (TM) exclusive club.

And besides. It's Crap because it'll never fly! Just one set of wings?? Ha! What are they thinking of? Young people... Bah! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Urist
02-13-2004, 11:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nearmiss:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Storm_Bird:
I'm enjory to dogfight with A6Ms, but I don't know why my friends told me, if Gemany use A6M in early WWII, Gemany will win the war.

http://www.moxing.net/ww2/plant/german/he162-4.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where the heck have you been. The Germans and Japanese won the friggin' war. They were nothing countries before WW2, 6 million dead and Germany and Japan are the now the 2nd and 3rd richest nations in the WORLD. Neither, Germany or Japan ever had the world stature compared to what they enjoy now.

I don't think an A6M2, etc. would have made a bit of difference....LOL

The Winning is obscured. Kinda like being stabbed in the heart, by a dude that is smiling at you all the time he's killing you. The victim just can't identify being stabbed with the killer's smiling face. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Winning can be obscure, the guy getting the accolades and trophies...just could be the loser http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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[This message was edited by nearmiss on Tue February 03 2004 at 03:41 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know... An A6M with its massive range could have made life VERY miserable for the British during the Bob.

I doubt it would have done anything different in the east though.

F19_Orheim
02-14-2004, 12:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt_Haddock:

And besides. It's Crap because it'll never fly! Just one set of wings?? Ha! What are they thinking of? Young people... Bah! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well Captain... they are learning, they are learning. It's as with everything, they change good designs in hope to make better performance, but in the end they will go back to the original idea http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
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A.K.Davis
02-14-2004, 01:01 AM
ha, Americans are so far behind!

http://www.f4aviation.co.uk/Hangar/museums/southampton/quadroplane.JPG

--AKD

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Capt_Haddock
02-14-2004, 04:34 AM
Big LOL http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Tooz_69GIAP
02-16-2004, 05:44 AM
Bump!!

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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zugfuhrer
02-17-2004, 12:33 AM
I think Fall Weiss. The polish campaign 1939. Than the russians and the german can fly together aginst the polish airforce.