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beyondtron
06-02-2004, 03:29 PM
I'm looking into getting a force feedback controller, particularly the Wingman Force 3D Joystick. Any one have any experience with it, versus the Sidewinder or other FF manufacturer that you'd recommend? Thanks!

beyondtron
06-02-2004, 03:29 PM
I'm looking into getting a force feedback controller, particularly the Wingman Force 3D Joystick. Any one have any experience with it, versus the Sidewinder or other FF manufacturer that you'd recommend? Thanks!

Agamemnon22
06-02-2004, 03:43 PM
I have the fancier model of the Wingman Force, the Strike Force. It's ok, but it's not spectacular. The big issue is centering, sometimes if I let the stick go, it tries to return to center but ends up jerking wildly all over the place until I stop it. I don't know whether other sticks do that. I heard theres a new Saitek FFB stick coming out, supposed to be good.

carguy_
06-02-2004, 04:23 PM
Don`t buy Logitech,period.

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beyondtron
06-02-2004, 04:39 PM
any alternatives?

Bearcat99
06-02-2004, 04:56 PM
At the moment no. The MSFFB2 is the best FFB stick around and MS is out of the stick business. Id try a Saitek if FFB is what you want. You might also want to try online.. maybe you can find a MSFFB stick somewhere but it would probably be a bit pricey.

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Odranoel1
06-02-2004, 05:00 PM
I used to have a Logitech Wingman Extreme 3d and recently bought a Microsoft force feedback 2.
- The MS has two drawbacks, it has not enough buttons and ffb effects are too weak. This said, it is a very accurate stick and feels very nice. I got used to the weak ffb.
- The logitech is far less accurate (enough to get it eliminated) and feels clunkier and less smooth generally. Its FFB effects are stunning (very powerful and nice), but I also noted the weird behavior mentioned above (funny centering, jerks around with no reason). It also offers enough controls to keep me happy.

If I had to buy again I would go MS, no hestitation, despite me being no MS fan, and a Swiss resident, just like Logitech.

Hope it helps u and good flying.

SeaFireLIV
06-02-2004, 05:01 PM
I recently got the MSFFB and like it a lot. It was a bit weird with the bumps at first but it makes taking off exciting for me. I particularly like the way I can FEEL the edge of a stall when flying, especially in the Spitfire - it feels like I`m being gently coaxed along a kind of rails... hard to explain, but it makes fighting really enjoyable.

Also, compared to my previous Logitech sticks, I`ve had to do very little adjustments to the stick for aiming etc.

Get it if you can!

beyondtron
06-02-2004, 07:50 PM
Thanks for all the feedback guys, I think i might be able to find a ms ffb 2 on ebay, and i'm gonna look into those saiteks... thanks again!

DD_NL
06-03-2004, 03:41 AM
Here ya go:

http://search.ebay.com/microsoft-force-feedback-2_W0QQfromZR10QQsatitleZQ20microsoftQ20Q22forceQ20 feedbackQ22Q202QQsosortorderZ1QQsosortpropertyZ1QQ sospellrecommendationZ1

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ASM 1
06-03-2004, 04:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Odranoel1:
I used to have a Logitech Wingman Extreme 3d and recently bought a Microsoft force feedback 2.
- The MS has two drawbacks, it has not enough buttons and ffb effects are too weak. This said, it is a very accurate stick and feels very nice. I got used to the weak ffb.
- The logitech is far less accurate (enough to get it eliminated) and feels clunkier and less smooth generally. Its FFB effects are stunning (very powerful and nice), but I also noted the weird behavior mentioned above (funny centering, jerks around with no reason). It also offers enough controls to keep me happy.

If I had to buy again I would go MS, no hestitation, despite me being no MS fan, and a Swiss resident, just like Logitech.

Hope it helps u and good flying.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dunno why you think the FFB on the MS FFB2 is "Weak" mine practically rips the stick out my hands - had a sore wrist after using it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif HAve noticed there is a difference between having the MS sotware installed (v4.0) and running it under XP alone - the XP force IS "weaker". Installed the software cos I wanted profiles and it is Great! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


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DuxCorvan
06-03-2004, 05:30 AM
I have a Wingman Force 3D. It works well for me. The only fault seems to be the weak point of all Logitech 3-axis joysticks: the z-axis -the one that makes the stick turn- that I use for rudder, just has lost sensitivity, works better anti-clockwise than clockwise, where it also makes some nasty bouncing effects.

Apart from that, the throttle slider, buttons, and normal X & Y axis work perfectly. The FFB effects are wonderful. And if you are bad-tempered, it's good to know that it's really solid.

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Inadaze
06-03-2004, 05:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by beyondtron:
I'm looking into getting a force feedback controller, particularly the Wingman Force 3D Joystick. Any one have any experience with it, versus the Sidewinder or other FF manufacturer that you'd recommend? Thanks!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've a Saitek cyborg ffb. It's the first FFB I've had so I can't really compare it to anything. It seems nice and precise with a smooth action. The FFB is good and easily configurable for strength.

Overall the stick feels well made and comfortable. It calibrates itself automatically as you use it. You plug it in, wiggle the stick in a full circle and its calibrated.

So far, I'm very pleased with the stick. The real test is how long it lasts, I've had too many joysticks pack up after a few months, if it lasts and lasts like my old MSprecision2 I'll be a very happy chappy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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AirBot
06-03-2004, 06:44 AM
I have a Logitech Wingman Force 3D. It's a fairly good stick - accurate enough and FFB effects are good. Can't complain really.
The two main pros that made me buy it:
- Cheap, compared to other FFB sticks.
- Small. No other FFB stick would even fit on my desk, but this one does without a hitch.

If these two points don't matter to you, perhaps look into getting something a bit more high-end. I don't know what the MS stick is like compared to it, but rumour has it it's more pleasant to use. In any case, the Logitech isn't a bad stick at all.

One point however: Logitech sticks are renowned for their clunky pots, particularly on the twist axis. It's nothing serious, but you might have to pull it apart from time to time to lubricate the twist pot a bit. That, I suspect, is the cause of DuxCorvan's problems.