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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 04:55 AM
Hey does anyone know about this german DO-335? It looks like a really interesting plane, anyone know if someone may be workin on a model of it? I've also seen an american aircraft that has somewhat of the same design but looks a lot better, anyone know the name of that aircraft?

XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 04:55 AM
Hey does anyone know about this german DO-335? It looks like a really interesting plane, anyone know if someone may be workin on a model of it? I've also seen an american aircraft that has somewhat of the same design but looks a lot better, anyone know the name of that aircraft?

XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:03 AM
P-55 Ascender,perhaps? Even though I'm American, I personally like the Dornier design better. The P-55 was notoriously unstable(if that's what you're referring to,of course).The U.S. had several other similar designs...but I don't can't remember enough about them off the top of my head./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 08:10 AM
There has been quite a lot of discussion about that plane here.

As for modeling it for FB add-on, it is probably the unluckiest plane of them all - it seems cursed !

Several modellers went to make it, taking over the work of previous one, but all of them failed for bizarre reasons. IMO, we will never see it in this sim.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 09:44 AM
Too bad.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 10:59 AM
Wath's about that??
http://www.flugzeugwerk.net/do335plane.htm

Gruß BR

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 11:00 AM
http://www.nolin.net/PfeilInfo.htm


Only has a couple of pictures, but pretty good description/history. I'm still trying to find info on the similar American plane... I'll edit here when I do.

http://www.ixpres.com/ag1caf/usplanes/
here you go. Wonderful site, with tons of x-planes and planes you may never have heard of, including the XP-55, which is very similar to the D0335. Even if you're not a fan of the Dornier, you should check this site out... I've bookmarked it, too


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Kunsan AB, Korea

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-Accept Follow-on Shifts!
-Take the Fight Upstairs!


Message Edited on 07/13/0310:06AM by Aardvark892

XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 02:44 PM
Aardvark892 wrote:
- Wonderful site, with tons of x-planes
- and planes you may never have heard of, including
- the XP-55, which is very similar to the D0335.

One is a pusher canard and the other is a conventional layout though pull and push.

XP-55

http://sfstation.members.easyspace.com/xp-55.jpg


Do335

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/images/do335mu_2.JPG


http://www.stenbergaa.com/stenberg/crandall-stormclouds2.jpg

XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 02:53 PM
Hristos wrote:

- Several modellers went to make it, taking over the
- work of previous one, but all of them failed for
- bizarre reasons. IMO, we will never see it in this
- sim.


That really sucks. I would pay for an add-on if it featured this plane alone.


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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 02:56 PM
wow those planes are ugly

http://www.world-data-systems.com/aerofiles/albums/userpics/hurricane_01sm~0.JPG

XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 04:35 PM
man those planes are sweet, i definatley think there should be one in the game

XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 05:35 PM
to bad they hardly seen combat the shiden x55 and do335, I rather see more flyable ai then prototype a/c but thats just me.

A friend of mine gave me the do-335 from simtech and its one of the best models i have seen

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/reviews/do335/d3.jpg


http://www.simtechflightdesign.com/images/models/DO-335/do335-open.jpg


http://www.simtechflightdesign.com/images/models/DO-335/2d-panel.jpg


The polys wouldnt pass olegs requirements


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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 06:47 PM
Also on this link you could find it

http://www.flugzeugwerk.net/do335plane.htm

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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 06:52 PM
LeadSpitter,

too bad that Do is for "the sim that shall not be named" it looks like someone put ALOT of time and energy into it- the pilot and open engine cowlings are sweet eye candy!

Don't really care for that plane myself though- great to take down Strategic bombers but it's not really a fighter is it?

Anyhoo... maybe the curse will be lifted and it will get finished some day /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

CG

XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 08:14 PM
it was more of a interceptor not a dogfighter at all, unfortunatly with cfs's shottie community this bird is 30 bucks, i got mine for free from a friend when it first came out, i think i flown it 5 times tops offline and in a few freeflights online. but still its extremely rare for you to find someone with it in fs2002 or cfs2 just like with any payware 1 plane addon.

Its ashame too it looks better then cfs3's do 335.


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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 09:16 PM
Well hey, i'm not worried about performance since i'm not real serious about the game just looking for something to have fun with even if its not realistic. So if someone makes it unrealistic its cool with me. I'm only in it for the looks. THats all i care about. That and the damage model cause its cool.

XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 11:46 PM
hmm... wonder what it'd be like to bail out from one of those?
*CHOP CHOP SLICE CHOP*
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Yea if she wasn't a nazi and she was still alive,

I'd hump her.


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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 12:13 AM
Actually the real plane had a jettisonable rear prop in case bail out was required. Would have to check my resources but it may have been equipped with an ejection seat as well.

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 12:19 AM
HOLY ****!!!

The US was experimenting with an A/C fighter with SIX!!!

SIIIIIX!!!!! 37mm cannons!!!! AAAA!!!!! CAN YOU . . . . *pant* . . . *cough* . . . . *sputter* *wheeze*

and. The. Other. Version. Had. A. Seventy. Five. Millimeter. Cannon. I. Would. Like. This. Plane. Seeing. As. My. Current. Fix is the Yak-9K.

Man. I WANT IT SO BAAD!!

ok, I think my blood pressure is back down to about twice normal. I'll be OK.

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 12:26 AM
You mean this? The Bat? Ya. Devistating firepower.

http://sfstation.members.easyspace.com/xp67.htm

Maybe a future project? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Gib

Aflak wrote:
- HOLY ****!!!
-
- The US was experimenting with an A/C fighter with
- SIX!!!
-
- SIIIIIX!!!!! 37mm cannons!!!! AAAA!!!!! CAN YOU . .
- . . *pant* . . . *cough* . . . . *sputter* *wheeze*
-
- and. The. Other. Version. Had. A. Seventy.
- Five. Millimeter. Cannon. I. Would. Like. This.
- Plane. Seeing. As. My. Current. Fix is the
- Yak-9K.
-
-
- Man. I WANT IT SO BAAD!!
-
- ok, I think my blood pressure is back down to about
- twice normal. I'll be OK.
-
-



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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 01:45 AM
It was.... it utilized 2 X blank 20mm cannon cartridges fitted in the base rail of the seat and when the pilot hammered the eject handle they would fire him out and away. I believe this or possibly the He-219 UHU was the first aircraft to have this system. The aircraft NEVER saw combat in the ETO and was capable of 474 mph. It was according to documentation captured from the germans at the end of the war, THE fastest piston driven fighter of WW2. but this was unsubstantiated according to allied forces. However I believe Britian tested one and was glad it never reached production with front line units after their evaluation so what does that tell you? It had no torque offset becuase the engines spun oppisite of one another so it was extemely manueverable...It was tall, ugly and absolutely gorgeous in my opinion...

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 02:19 AM
What kind of uber 20mm blanks were used?/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

The Do335, as well as the He219, used compressed air to drive the piston for the ejection seat.

"Hammered" the ejection handle? Better look at the real button that had a cover over it.

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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 02:53 AM
The one thing about the Do-335 was how big it was. I have done alot of models and at 1:48 scale it looks like a 1:32 next to a 109 or 190 it's huge.I also like the shinden if it was anything like some sims have modelled it it was a true killer.

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 08:22 AM
no the first seats were a 20 mm gun cartrige and when the handle was pulled it fired the cartridges.....

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 09:44 AM
I think a testing pilot got killed in this one, after
bailing out.

They discovered that he broke his neck, because
when the glass dome (don't know the correct word in english)
got off sideways, it hit the pilots head.
They then built some guiding rail for the "glass dome", so
that it went off correctly...
...beside the other two deadly things they had to think about ("Leitwerk" and prop)...


Dornier Do 335 "Pfeil" ("Arrow")
also called "Warzenschwein" ("Warthog")

fluke39
07-18-2003, 10:24 AM
brtnstrns wrote:
, anyone know the
- name of that aircraft?


i think it was called the DO-335 Pfeil (meaning arrow)
and was one - if not the fastest prop plane in WW2

EDIT - whoops openend this thread the other day when it was first posted and forgot to refresh just now - threfore only saw the first three or four replies -
& sorry i thought you were asking for the name of the 335 not the american version - D'oh!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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Message Edited on 07/18/0310:28AM by fluke39

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 11:02 AM
Do 335 had ejection seat and jettisonable rear prop and lower tail section, so it could safely ditch.

It was abig plane, I have 1/48 scale and it is twice the length and wingspan of 109 or 190.

Looks quite mean and powerful /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 11:24 AM
Cdn.401BADGER wrote:
- no the first seats were a 20 mm gun cartrige and
- when the handle was pulled it fired the
- cartridges.....
-
-


NO.

The pilot of the a/c had 3 buttons to push: #1 to blow off the prop, #2 to blow off the upper fin and rudder, #3 to arm the ejection seat.

Compressed air only was used for propelling the ejection seat, and that included the WNr 230xxx prototypes.

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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 02:32 PM
Cdn.401BADGER wrote:
- It was.... it utilized 2 X blank 20mm cannon
- cartridges fitted in the base rail of the seat and
- when the pilot hammered the eject handle they would
- fire him out and away. I believe this or possibly
- the He-219 UHU was the first aircraft to have this
- system. The aircraft NEVER saw combat in the ETO and
- was capable of 474 mph.


Some sources indicate that there may have been very limited combat use. I suppose we'll never know for sure but I did find this reference To combat:


"...Plagued by mechanical unreliability and lack of aviation fuel, the operational career of the Do 335 is rather obscure. Do 335A-0 and A-1 aircraft are thought to have flown a number of operational missions with EK335. Some were also used by III/KG2 in the Spring of 1945. There is no evidence of the type being met in combat, so it seems likely that all the operations were high speed interdiction missions - many taking place at night... "


And there is also this alleged Do-335 sighting by Closterman:

"...An aircraft became visible at tree-top level, approaching rapidly. A curious one, which I couldn't identify. He saw us only at the last moment, because we were just below the cloud base, in the shadows. He broke very quickly and for a moment I had a very full view of him. He was obviously a Jerry - he had black crosses on the wings - but what an odd sort of bird!

Throttle full open, I tried to cut inside his turn, but he was moving astonishingly fast. Longley was better placed, and fired at him, but without effect. The strange aircraft completed his turn, and flew off at full speed. He really was an extraordinary looking customer..."

Prof.Wizard
06-04-2004, 02:00 PM
Two versions are must:
~ Do-335 A-1 Fighter-Bomber (1x 30mm, 2x 15mm, 1000kg bombload)
~ Do-335 B-2 Heavy Fighter (3x 30mm, 2x 20mm)

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Doug_Thompson
06-04-2004, 02:43 PM
By pure coincidence, I recently studied up on this airplane at the library. I could find the book again if you need a reliable source listing.

Dornier had been interested in the "push me, pull you" configuration for years and used it in very successful flying boats of the 1920s and 30s. In those boats, the engines were housed in a structure above the wings instead of in the fuselage.

The enormous advantage of the arrangement was that you had two engines for the price of one in terms of frontal area and drag.

The flying boats showed other big advantages. The torque from the two engines cancelled each out, making the plane easier to fly. Also, you could use all the available engines for take off and then turn some of them off for cruising once you'd gained altitude. You could do this without creating serious yaw problems that you get with most multi-engine arrangements when you shut off some of the engines. (Edited note: Even with all the engines on, you were safer if you lost one to breakdown. That would be an important consideration on long-distance flying boat trips, especially over water.)

Dornier was so impressed that he advocated the arrangement for a fighter through most of the 1930s, but found no takers in the Luftwaffe bureaucracy. He kept experimenting and never gave up, though. He believed -- correctly, as it turned out -- that having both engines on the same axis would allow a good rate of roll.

Once the Luftwaffe realized it was in a long war -- and that conventional "heavy" fighters like the Bf110 were dog meat in a dog fight -- Dornier's idea suddenly looked pretty good.

Dornier built prototype Do 335s. Test pilots were very impressed with the plane's good manueverability for a twin-engined plane. They were also impressed that the plane could lose a whole engine and keep flying without suddenly becoming hard to handle. This was an advantage in both air-to-air and ground attack. On a minor note, the tricycle landing gear gave pilots an excellent forward view while taking off. Add that to the "cancelled out" torque, and the plane had outstanding ground-handling qualties even though it was enormous for a single-seat WWII fighter.

Most of all, however, everyone was amazed at the speed. The plane easily surpassed 400 mph in level flight. The 474 mph was only attained with "War Emergency Power" and a chemical additive boost, although it was the same "boost juice" used in German fighters of the time.

On the down side: Visability to the rear was simply awful, which is something that could easily get you killed in WWII. You'll notice that production models of the airplane have little "bumps" in their canopy. Those bulges have small mirrors in them.

Bailing out of the plane was also impossible. There was no point to even wearing a parachute and bailing out in the conventional sense. Even if the prop wasn't spinning, the tail structure would kill you. So, unless I remember wrongly, this was the first plane in history to have a design-installed ejector seat. It also had explosive bolts to blow off the rear prop and at least the top horizontal stabilizer, I believe.

A production line was set up and some units of the plane were assigned to operational units before the war ended, but they never saw combat.

As for a similar American plane, the only one I know of was a private plane built by Cessna, I think. The fusalage had a rear engine that was very high. It was a twin-boom arrangement on the tail, too.

[This message was edited by Doug_Thompson on Fri June 04 2004 at 01:56 PM.]

[This message was edited by Doug_Thompson on Fri June 04 2004 at 02:14 PM.]

[This message was edited by Doug_Thompson on Fri June 04 2004 at 02:42 PM.]

Doug_Thompson
06-04-2004, 03:10 PM
By the way, several people mentioned the American "Ascender" in this thread. That is believed to be the only airplane where the designers got a naughty pun past war-time military censors -- becasue the plane flew "***-end" first.

Perrazi
06-04-2004, 03:12 PM
the cessna aircraft was flown extensively in se asia as a fac and spotter. the do335 had explosive bolts that blew away the rear prop and entire rear tail section to allow the pilot a chance of survival during ejection.

Prof.Wizard
06-04-2004, 03:23 PM
Good read Doug, thanx. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Doug_Thompson
06-04-2004, 03:37 PM
Prof. Wizard.

You're welcome, and thanks in turn.

BinaryFalcon shed much light on these issues when I raised them in another thread where the Do 335 is mentioned:

Re: Manueverability and a "single axis":

"This isn't exactly true. There will likely be more weight on either side to overcome (assuming a conventional twin layout), but with large enough control surfaces you can create and sustain roll rates just as well as single engined craft. Further, if you have counter rotating props (such as in the P38), the aircraft won't have a roll bias or preference like a single engine aircraft will. Basically most single engine planes (unless they're special and have counterotating props on one hub) will roll in one direction more quickly and easily than in the other. Twins will do equally well either way."

(Later, on roll rate)

"Again, I don't really think that was much of a consideration, as it's not going to make a whole lot of difference either way.
Even if it did, you'd be trading roll speed for pitch speed, as you'd now have two large masses at the front and back of the fuselage instead of halfway out on the wings."

Re: Frontal area and speed:

"Frontal cross section is a very important thing, and that, probably more than anything else, is why they went for an inline twin rather than the conventional side by side design. Less frontal surface area (generally) gives you less drag and greater speed and lower fuel flows for a given amount of power. Definitely desireable in any aircraft, fighter or not."


Re: Offsetting torque:

"Again, not so much of a factor, as any twin can be set up this way, and most during the war were. From a practical standpoint, it's the best way to go, especially if handling qualities are important to what you intend to do.
"However, with that said, you can probably do it cheaper with an inline twin than you can with a conventional, because you should be able to use just one type of engine to create counter rotating props instead of having to keep right and left hand engines (and parts) in stock. The act of turning the engine around and mounting it "backwards" automatically makes the prop turn in a direction opposite the one in the front.
"Definitely a maintenance bonus (at least in theory)."

Re: Yaw problems lessened when an engine went out.

"This is true. It's also why (trivia time) that if you get your multi-engine rating on an inline twin (such as a Skymaster), you are not authorized to fly a conventional twin. Inline twins with an engine out handle pretty much like any single, except for the performance loss. Conventional twins with an engine out can range anywhere from moderately annoying to impossible to fly, depending on the conditions."

Re: Shutting off one engine

"Eh, I'll give this one a definite maybe. It may have been possible at times, but overall, you wouldn't want to do it. Losing an engine in a twin removes half of your power, but can take up to 80% of your performance. It's not a 1:1 ratio. Lots of piston twins can't keep on going if they lose an engine, and there's a good chance that even the best of them will be coming down once an engine is gone. It just may take a while. But again, that will depend a lot on the aircraft in question and the conditions. In any case, you certainly won't be able to maintain altitude nearly as well, and your service ceiling will be considerably lower.
It's nice having some flyable twins in FB, but I've found the single engine performance modeling to be extremely tame, overall."

Sounds like Dornier used the "push-pull" arrangement in flying boats for safety. They were crossing long stretches of water.

[This message was edited by Doug_Thompson on Fri June 04 2004 at 02:48 PM.]

Prof.Wizard
06-04-2004, 03:49 PM
I still wanna see this bird in a future patch. It's a shame no one is working officially on it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

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Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
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Red_Russian13
06-04-2004, 03:54 PM
What is wrong with this post? Some of the links aren't working, and some of the photos you guys put in aren't showing up...at least not to me. But other members' stuff is fine...Strange.

Red Russian

Prof.Wizard
06-04-2004, 04:09 PM
My bad, Red Russian, I couldn't find my initial Do-335 thread so I dug up this one from a year ago.

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BBB_Hyperion
06-04-2004, 04:22 PM
Remember a bet story was posted a while ago where after the war a do335 pilot was needed to transfer this plane to france. The German Pilot said he could escape the mustangs even with only 1 prop. As the english raf guys were mostly sportsman they accepted. The do335 arrived far earlier than any of the mustangs. So cant be that slow with just 1 prop. When anyone has a link to the complete story pls post a link or source.

Regards,
Hyperion

Chanel505
06-04-2004, 04:34 PM
The Do 335 was a very fast fighter-bomber better speed-bomber with a topspeed of 756 KM/H.

Engine 2xDaimler-Benz DB 603 A-2 with 1750 HP startpower entirely 3500 HP.

Sealevelspeed 580 KM/H
5500 meter 692 KM/H
6000 meter 703 KM/H
7100 meter 732 KM/H

Range with a 500 KG bomb was 1230 KM with 550 KM/H at sealevel.
Range with 633 KM/H at 6000 meter high was 1600 KM.
Range with 703 KM/H at 6600 meter high was 1380 KM.
Landingspeed at 185 KM/H or 200 KM/H ?
Climb to 1000 meter with 9500 KG was 1,3 min,
Climb to 2000 meter 3,0 min with 9500 KG.
Climb to 4000 meter 6,0 min with 9500 KG.
Climb to 6000 meter 10,0 min with 9500 KG.
Climb to 8000 meter 14,5 min with 9500 KG
All climb and speeddata with 9500 KG !!
Max high with 9500 kg was 9500 meter whitout bomb over 10000 meter.
Max high with one engine was 6800 meter.

Weapons: 2 x MG151/15 with 400 rounds
1 x MK 103 (30 mm) with 70 rounds
1 x SC 500 in a pit

Emptywight was 6530 KG with equipment.
Take-off weight was 9510 KG.
Tanks with 1850 l fuel

Bailing out was posible, it has a ejection seat, vertical stabilizer and airscrew was blown off.
First flight was on 26. October 1943,
the Do-335 was designed by Professor Dr. Claudius Dornier.

Hope all Do-335 H0 data is correctly.

[This message was edited by Chanel505 on Sat June 05 2004 at 12:48 AM.]

Willey
06-04-2004, 04:40 PM
Man I want this plane in FB... The last one who took it was Gibbage... but I haven't seen anything about it for ages. Looks like he dropped it :sad2:. I would have liked it much more than the 229 and YP-80. Now it's up to the FB development. Either PF becomes a separate thing and FB won't be supported anymore this fall or they pack FB into PF and sell it as standalone as FB when it came out, so there will still be some support for the old sceneries. The Do would have no chance if they just worked on enhancing the PF until BoB is ready. FB would be left as is even while they have the same engine and could be plugged together, and that wouldn't be good.

Prof.Wizard
06-04-2004, 04:57 PM
Perhaps Gibbage might be persuaded to return to it? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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Red_Russian13
06-04-2004, 05:34 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Prof.Wizard:
My bad, Red Russian, I couldn't find my initial Do-335 thread so I dug up this one from a year ago.

No, it's cool that it's here. I would love to fly this plane. I was just wondering why some of the links and smiley's, etc weren't working. I guess cause the original post is old, right?

I would like this plane!

Red Russian

Gibbage1
06-04-2004, 06:05 PM
Its the Do-335 or flyable PBY and I think the PBY has a MUCH bigger fanbase http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Prof.Wizard:
Perhaps Gibbage might be persuaded to return to it? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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JG53Frankyboy
06-04-2004, 06:10 PM
ask snorri about his done jobs about the P38, Go229 and PBN skins http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DarthBane_
06-04-2004, 06:13 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Its the Do-335 or flyable PBY and I think the PBY has a MUCH bigger fanbase http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Well i would take PBY for a ride, but canot compere it to joy and happines of having do335 in FB. Not even close.

Prof.Wizard
06-04-2004, 06:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DarthBane_:
Well i would take PBY for a ride, but canot compere it to joy and happines of having do335 in FB. Not even close.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What Darth said. Please reconsider Gibbage. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
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Atzebrueck
06-04-2004, 07:07 PM
If I would have to choose between a PBY and a Do335, I'd take the 335 :P, anytime.

The fanbase of the Do335 is not as small as you may think http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Additionally the PBY is more work to do and it definately won't be flown very often.

http://c.f.hahne.bei.t-online.de/signatur.jpg (http://www.vow-hq.com)

JG53Frankyboy
06-04-2004, 07:11 PM
all day mate, all day http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Prof.Wizard
06-04-2004, 07:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
all day mate, all day http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Although I find Catalina an extremely interesting plane, I really can't believe you prefer to concede design priorities to a "flying boat" instead of the fastest piston-engined bird in history... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
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Gibbage1
06-04-2004, 07:33 PM
Well #1, if the Do-335 were to be done, it would be AI only. The cockpit is not even started and I dont have time for it. It would need to be done NOW to make it into FB/Aces. You still would not get to fly your Do-335.

#2, PBY cockpit and gunner positions are almost 50% done and I told Luthier I would have it done for him.

If someone is willing to complete the Do-335, they can have my model. But I cant finish it and the PBY in time.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

JG53Frankyboy
06-04-2004, 07:37 PM
i wanted support Atze's

"If I would have to choose between a PBY and a Do335, I'd take the 335 :P, anytime." http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

im not interested ,sry, in a flyable Catalina at all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
such planes (Catalina,Ju52,C47...) have their place in FS2004 , sure, where you have a complex flight and engine management. the CEM in FB is just to easy. FB is more a combat game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Doug_Thompson
06-04-2004, 07:53 PM
I'd love to see the plane, even as an AI opponent. If I had the skills, I'd take up the offer of the model.

I'm as big a fan of the Do 335 as anyone, but will acknowlege that "Black Cat" night torpedo missions or some of the pilot rescue missions flown by real Catalinas in the war -- I think one Cat even landed in Rabaul Harbor during a raid to pull pilot out of the drink -- could be quite hair-raising.

Not as much fun as shooting stuff down, though.

wayno7777
06-04-2004, 09:22 PM
There is a sim that has this plane in it and I've flown it, but I can't remember which one. CFS2? WW2 Fighters?

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Over 70 planes including a P-38 (hopin' for GG)
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Any landing you can walk away from is a good one!

Chanel505
06-04-2004, 10:34 PM
Bump, i hope the Do 335 comes flyable, i realy hope for this plane. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LEXX_Luthor
06-04-2004, 10:55 PM
PBY is far more important.

Player landing and taking off from water will be a *First* for the FB.

Gibbage....Stay Focused http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif



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Prof.Wizard
06-05-2004, 01:51 AM
RGR LEXX,
so I guess they are both equally important.

Who's willing to take Gibbage's model?

(if there's no one I still wanna see the AI version, at all costs!!) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif

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Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
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Franzen
06-05-2004, 02:48 AM
As much as I'd love to fly the Do-335 I think the PBY is much more important. Officially there doesn't seem to be any record of the D0-335 in combat action. But look at the PBY, so much action. I do appreciate all the planes we get, realistic or fantasy, but I dislike the idea that the missing planes have been sacrificial lambs. Too many planes, not enough modellers. I really wish, as most do, we had the talent to help out and contribute, but we don't. I'd hate to sacrifice the PBY for another YP-80, Go229, Stubby Rocket Plane, or a 109z. BTW, I do enjoy those.

Gibbage, I'm really looking forward to flying the boat, not because it's pretty, but because it was there. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz Franzen

Gibbage1
06-05-2004, 03:25 AM
Dont worrie. PBY has my priority.

Its funny though. I model the P-80 and I got a bunch of flack because "it never served combat". I model the Go-229 and I got a bunch of praise. Now they want the Do-335? Luftwhining at its finest http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
As much as I'd love to fly the Do-335 I think the PBY is much more important. Officially there doesn't seem to be any record of the D0-335 in combat action. But look at the PBY, so much action. I do appreciate all the planes we get, realistic or fantasy, but I dislike the idea that the missing planes have been sacrificial lambs. Too many planes, not enough modellers. I really wish, as most do, we had the talent to help out and contribute, but we don't. I'd hate to sacrifice the PBY for another YP-80, Go229, Stubby Rocket Plane, or a 109z. BTW, I do enjoy those.

Gibbage, I'm really looking forward to flying the boat, not because it's pretty, but because it was there. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz Franzen<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

ImpStarDuece
06-05-2004, 03:38 AM
*Chants*
PBY
PBY
PBY

Do-335 looks cool but id much rather have flyable 'realwar' aircraft that saw considerable service (Dornier bombers anyone?) than the experimentals and 'oneoffs' we seem to be getting. No disrespect to Gibb though. The yp-80 and the go-229 are a HOOT, as well as being beautifully modeled, and i fly them (usually against each other) when i'm looking to airquake it in QMB.

PBY for PF is a must have. More power to Gibbage for modeling the bugeyed bird. An essential addition, unlike the do-335.

Flying Bullet Magnet... Catching Lead Since 2002

"There's no such thing as gravity, the earth sucks!"

JG53-Falkster
06-05-2004, 03:44 AM
Well, you said always you're a man of his word, well this isn't valid anymore, gibbage.

You started the Do335 because Snorri, he wanted it as manner of "Thank you" for his great work with the skins for a lot of your planes. For sure it takes more time to model a plane in Max3d but a good skin don't take many less hours...Now we can see how gratefully you are opposite to snorri....

Finally it's up to you thats sure, but believe my im really disapointed of you. And i think i'm not the only one.

regards falkster

Franzen
06-05-2004, 04:50 AM
I think the greatful outweigh the disappointed by far. I think the work involved in modelling a plane cannot be compared with making skins. I have made skins and it's not so complicated. Besides, although the modellers do have some freedom of choice I think it's very limited. I can't even complete a plastic model of a G2 simply cause I can't find the right info. Imagine what these guys have to look for. How much research? Far more than detail than I need.

Maybe Gibbage and the guyz need to make a documentary so some people might understand just how complicated their tasks are. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz Franzen

Prof.Wizard
06-05-2004, 05:32 AM
The Dornier didn't see combat but it was there. Even in two combat variants A-1 (fighter-bomber) and B-2 (heavy fighter).

I guess most who fly Allied here will vote for Catalina and most who prefer Axis will go for the Pfeil.

It's funny though, albeit I am member of a squad which flies Allied planes (don't pay attention to avatar/sig) I really want to see what-if planes making part of this fine simulation.

IMO the Catalina will be a fine bird cause we don't have flyable hydroplanes so far, but if you really want to invest to the 'fun factor' go create a fighter-hydroplane, not a hog. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Instead the Dornier will be a real match for later Allied planes, especially when so many DF servers don't allow for jets.

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Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
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Franzen
06-05-2004, 05:44 AM
I fly Luftwaffe only. I really dislike the Allied planes and prefer a challenge. I'd like to see every imagined plane but there are just too many. We need more modellers. The Do-335 would be sweet. He he he, I'd love to fly through allied smoke and debri at 800kph. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif But I think attacking a PBY would be more historically accurate. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz Franzen

Prof.Wizard
06-05-2004, 06:40 AM
Another question... how will the Catalina take-off from dogfight server with the "Takeoff and Landing" option on? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Is there a workaround for it?

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Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
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Doug_Thompson
06-05-2004, 08:08 AM
There's no point to an argument between Catalina and Do 335 fans, because there's no threat to a finished PBY. The work is too far advanced.

The real topic here is: Is there anybody out there who can complete a Do 335 so we can all have both, at least in an AI version?

As for "Luftwhining," I'd like to point out that I always fly Allied.

The Do 335 may have been innovative, but it was an unconventional arrangement of "off the shelf" technology. It's not nearly as "pie in the sky" as use of the Gotha flying wing, for example.

D-XXI
06-05-2004, 08:54 AM
In 1939 Fokker had a prototype flying with similar configuration but with twin booms. It was the Fokker D-XXIII. With 2 engines of only 520pk it achieved 521km/h in level flight. Armament consisted of 2 23mm cannons and 4 7,9mm machineguns. The germans captured it in may 1940. It is said that Dornier got the idea from the plans of this Fokker.

gombal40
06-05-2004, 09:13 AM
http://www.pegasusmodels.com/d23a.jpg

nice piece of work isn't it

Prof.Wizard
06-05-2004, 11:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D-XXI:
In 1939 Fokker had a prototype flying with similar configuration but with twin booms. It was the Fokker D-XXIII. With 2 engines of only 520pk it achieved 521km/h in level flight. Armament consisted of 2 23mm cannons and 4 7,9mm machineguns. The germans captured it in may 1940. It is said that Dornier got the idea from the plans of this Fokker.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not accurate. Claude Dornier has been working on tandem-engines since the 20s.

http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/profile/d335hist.htm
read

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ForkTailedDevil
06-05-2004, 02:41 PM
Are you guys kidding me?? I would sell one of my kidneys my soul and anything else to get the Do.335. Sure the PBY was a important aircraft in the war but I am by no means willing to sacrifice the D0.335 for it. How bout a flyable DO-335 and a AI PBY? I can't belive this is even a debate we are talking about one of the most significant propeller powered aircraft in history and comparing it to a flying boat. I love allied and axis aircraft and fly both as often as I can but this seems to be a trivial debate.

"You can teach monkey's to fly better than that"

Doug_Thompson
06-05-2004, 03:11 PM
DXX-I and gombal40:

Thanks for the info on the Dutch plane. Hadn't heard of it before.

D-XXI
06-05-2004, 03:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Prof.Wizard:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D-XXI:
In 1939 Fokker had a prototype flying with similar configuration but with twin booms. It was the Fokker D-XXIII. With 2 engines of only 520pk it achieved 521km/h in level flight. Armament consisted of 2 23mm cannons and 4 7,9mm machineguns. The germans captured it in may 1940. It is said that Dornier got the idea from the plans of this Fokker.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not accurate. Claude Dornier has been working on tandem-engines since the 20s.

http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/profile/d335hist.htm
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I've read this rumour somewhere but of course you're right. I believe that Dornier used the tandem-configuration on some of his flying boats like the Do-18.

Chanel505
06-05-2004, 03:24 PM
Dornier make a patent (copyright) for his concept of aircraft in 1937, so i dont think the Do 335 idea was stolen.

Gibbage1
06-05-2004, 11:25 PM
I have made a promis to two sets of people here. #1, the PBY Catalina fans, and #2, the Do-335 fans and Snorri. I can regretably only fill one promis. I pick the PBY because of many many many reasons. I got a lot of donated money, it played a much bigger part in the war in ALL theaters, it has a much bigger fan base, the work has progressed a lot further, and because I want to. The latter being the most important reason I can possibly think of. Remember, this is HUNDREDS of hours of MY time I am DONATING to this comunity. Its my choice of what I do and when I do it. If you disagree, go spend 15,000$ for an education in 3D Studio's, 6,000$ for the software, 3000$ for a PC to run it, and then spend the next 5 years of your life modeling and then model it. Its really that simple http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

For all you Do-335 fans (I have given you the loving nickname of "Do-Do birds" lol), here is a little gift. A nice wallpaper. Also, if any skilled 3D modeler wants to complete it (skin and LOD's/DM) then they can E-mail me and I will send them the model.

http://www.gibbageart.com/images/do335-35.jpg

Gib

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

heywooood
06-05-2004, 11:47 PM
WOW Gibbage!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

I am one of the faithful. The Pfiel would be my bird of choice to be sure... if only.

Here's hoping that someday we will have it.

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Goin'fishin'

Franzen
06-06-2004, 04:07 AM
Maybe you won't want to answer this Gibbage but I have to ask. Do you have any plans of continuing the D0-335 project in the future? I know you have other priorities now and I fully understand that. I'm just curious.

Fritz Franzen

Jagdgeschwader2
06-06-2004, 04:21 AM
"The Dornier didn't see combat but it was there."
********************************************

The Bearcat didn't see combat either but it was there also. So can we have it now? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

It would be nice to see the Do335 and the Bearcat but I want the PBY. The PBY was not originally going to be flyable in PF. We should all be very thankful that Gibbage1 put all that excellent work into it. I really look forward to flying this machine. Hopefully
some other modeler will take up these other projects. And if we do get the Do335 we had better get the Bearcat becasue even though the Bearcat didn't see any combat it was there.

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/corsair.jpg

A speck of dirt on your windscreen could turn into an enemy fighter in the time it took to look round and back again. A little smear on your goggles might hide the plane that was coming in to kill you.
Derek Robinson
From the book Piece of Cake.

LEXX_Luthor
06-06-2004, 04:37 AM
Gibbage if you were modding Flyable Ar~196 floatplane, "They" would want Ar~196 more than Do~335. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



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"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

gombal40
06-06-2004, 08:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chanel505:
Dornier make a patent (copyright) for his concept of aircraft in 1937, so i dont think the Do 335 idea was stolen.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes but that was for engines place up on wing in tandem config. IIRC even the exploding bolt for the back engine was in the Fokker D-XXIII.

Chanel505
06-06-2004, 09:13 AM
&gt;yes but that was for engines place up on wing in tandem config&lt;

Simply wrong.
The patent number 728044 was the basic for the Do-335. It was a idea to pleace the pilot between two engines, this patent was made by Dornier 3rd August 1937.

Look here:

http://www.nefkom.net/elektroflug/geschichte_e.htm

p1ngu666
06-06-2004, 09:31 AM
well, ive asked gibbage for model and skin so i can skin it atleast http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
i can ask other modelers i know but i owe them really, so i cant expect too much
btw a model completed is really lots of work
i know cos ive seen http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

gib wanna give us a rundown of whats done on model and what isnt?

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p1ngu666
06-06-2004, 09:32 AM
well, ive asked gibbage for model and skin so i can skin it atleast http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
i can ask other modelers i know but i owe them really, so i cant expect too much
btw a model completed is really lots of work
i know cos ive seen http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

gib wanna give us a rundown of whats done on model and what isnt?

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Prof.Wizard
06-06-2004, 11:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If you disagree, go spend 15,000$ for an education in 3D Studio's, 6,000$ for the software, 3000$ for a PC to run it, and then spend the next 5 years of your life modeling and then model it. Its really that simple http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

For all you Do-335 fans (I have given you the loving nickname of "Do-Do birds" lol), here is a little gift. A nice wallpaper. Also, if any skilled 3D modeler wants to complete it (skin and LOD's/DM) then they can E-mail me and I will send them the model. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Bastard... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

You show us the oasis and don't let us drink... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
(still thanx for making the model avail!)
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Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
http://www.mihailidis.com/images/HWK109509.jpg

Prof.Wizard
06-06-2004, 11:09 AM
http://www.nefkom.net/elektroflug/images/do335_flug.jpg
Just look at this beauty... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif


BTW, I asked that before, how will the Catalina take-off in multiplayer dogfight sessions if "Takeoff and Landing" setting is enabled?
Has it be forseen by IL-2 programmers or are you just wasting time on a flyboat which will be on the parking area? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
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p1ngu666
06-06-2004, 11:14 AM
i think/hope gib will model the ampfibian one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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gombal40
06-06-2004, 11:17 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chanel505:
&gt;yes but that was for engines place up on wing in tandem config&lt;

Simply wrong.
The patent number 728044 was the basic for the Do-335. It was a idea to pleace the pilot between two engines, this patent was made by Dornier 3rd August 1937.

Look here:
http://www.sphynx.de/Dornier/assets/images/Do-wal_xg.jpg
Above wal fly boat
i did patent was for |( read the site) this kind of plane. quote"This engine arrangement was subsequently adopted for the highly successful Dornier Do Wal flying boat of 1922.
The idea of placing the pilot between the two engines in such an arrangement obviously occurred to Dornier. Indeed, on 3rd August 1937 he filed patent number 728044 for an aircraft of just such a configuration. It was on the basis of this patent that the Do 335 came to be developed."end qoute
difference with the fokker are obvious

Prof.Wizard
06-06-2004, 11:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
i think/hope gib will model the ampfibian one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
He will... but as I said...

BTW, I asked that before, how will the Catalina take-off in multiplayer dogfight sessions if "Takeoff and Landing" setting is enabled?
Has it be forseen by IL-2 programmers or are you just wasting time on a flyboat which will be on the parking area? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif


ANYONE CAN ANSWER ME?! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
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p1ngu666
06-06-2004, 12:34 PM
amfibain has gear/wheels and can float http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

i dont know how it will cope with gear and the lil wingtip floats
maybe manual gear ah la i16 for the wingtip floats http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
now, gib wanted the toliet seat to move aswell http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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Gibbage1
06-06-2004, 01:52 PM
Im modeling the PBY Catalina 5A with landing gear. That model will be in PF and not the PBN-1 since only about 10 PBN-1's were flown in the Pacific. The PBY-5a will be in PF as AI off-the-shelf, and the cockpit will be added in a later patch (I hope the first patch).

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Prof.Wizard:
http://www.nefkom.net/elektroflug/images/do335_flug.jpg
Just look at this beauty... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif


BTW, I asked that before, how will the Catalina take-off in multiplayer dogfight sessions if "Takeoff and Landing" setting is enabled?
Has it be forseen by IL-2 programmers or are you just wasting time on a flyboat which will be on the parking area? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
http://www.mihailidis.com/images/HWK109509.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

p1ngu666
06-06-2004, 03:11 PM
how about replying to my email with some tastey do335 action gib? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://www.pingu666.modded.me.uk/mysig3.jpg
&lt;123_GWood_JG123&gt; NO SPAM!

Gibbage1
06-06-2004, 04:19 PM
Unless your a skilled and experanced 3D modeler, then no. I am only going to give my model to someone who can complete it.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
how about replying to my email with some tastey do335 action gib? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://www.pingu666.modded.me.uk/mysig3.jpg
&lt;123_GWood_JG123&gt; NO SPAM!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

JG53Frankyboy
06-06-2004, 04:45 PM
let it dy.
nobody needs it , like Go229, YP-80, Bf109Z etc.....

close the prototype pandorras box http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

p1ngu666
06-06-2004, 04:55 PM
aw
but id like to skin it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://www.pingu666.modded.me.uk/mysig3.jpg
&lt;123_GWood_JG123&gt; NO SPAM!

p1ngu666
06-06-2004, 04:59 PM
i think gibb enjoys the pandorra's box a lil bit http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
i can see the attraction of winding ppl like stiglr up http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

http://www.pingu666.modded.me.uk/mysig3.jpg
&lt;123_GWood_JG123&gt; NO SPAM!

Gibbage1
06-06-2004, 07:27 PM
Im willing to upload you the skin and let you texture it. You upload it back to me and I will render a few screenshots for you.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
aw
but id like to skin it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://www.pingu666.modded.me.uk/mysig3.jpg
&lt;123_GWood_JG123&gt; NO SPAM!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Franzen
06-06-2004, 10:19 PM
Another question for Gibbage. Has anyone ever started or are there any plans in the works for an IL-10? I heard it was much better than the IL-2.

Fritz Franzen

Gibbage1
06-07-2004, 12:24 AM
That is an interesting story. The IL-10 was done! This is what I remember. Just the external model and nobody had the cockpit. Oleg had the files but suffered a hard drive crash and lost the model. I think the guy who did the IL-10 lost contact and can no longer be reached. Im not clear on that part. The IL-10 was used in Korea, but I am not sure if it saw service in WWII.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
Another question for Gibbage. Has anyone ever started or are there any plans in the works for an IL-10? I heard it was much better than the IL-2.

Fritz Franzen<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

LEXX_Luthor
06-07-2004, 12:52 AM
http://www.boardy.de/images/smilies/kopfpatsch.gif


__________________
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif Flyable Swedish "Gladiator" listed as J8A ...in Aces Expansion Pack

"You will still have FB , you will lose nothing" ~WUAF_Badsight
"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

"The IL-10 was done! ...Oleg had the files but suffered a hard drive crash and lost the model." ~Gibbage1 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Franzen
06-07-2004, 12:56 AM
Thx for the reply Gib, but honestly, if it wasn't in WW2 I really wouldn't want to see in the the plane set. I think there are so many missing planes that everytime we get a "what if" or "almost" or "was tested" plane we lose the real thing. I really do appreciate all the work the modellers have done but being historically correct and somewhat accurate is what keeps this sim different from the rest. I wouldn't want to lose that.

Fritz Franzen

ImpStarDuece
06-07-2004, 02:36 AM
Il-10 did fly in WW2, both against the Germans and the Japanese. It was also supplied to the Koreans before and during the Korean war.

Prototype flew in April 44. Prduction began in October of the same year and by VE day it had replaced the il2 in many regiments. It saw action in the last months of the war gainst Germany and considerable service against the Japanese in Manchuria and Korea.

Flying Bullet Magnet... Catching Lead Since 2002

"There's no such thing as gravity, the earth sucks!"

WTE_Ibis
06-07-2004, 03:03 AM
Try this link.http://uploadit.org/gallery/11342/35058
Hope it works. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/Ibissix-schmile.JPG
www.uploadit.org/Ibissix/MOSSIE.jpg

WTE_Ibis
06-07-2004, 03:05 AM
Can someone tell me how to place a link or
photos here? please.

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/Ibissix-schmile.JPG
www.uploadit.org/Ibissix/MOSSIE.jpg

WTE_Ibis
06-07-2004, 03:09 AM
2nd try

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/Ibissix-schmile.JPG
[img].http://uploadit.org/gallery/11342/35058

WTE_Ibis
06-07-2004, 03:11 AM
once more

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/Ibissix-schmile.JPG
[img].http://uploadit.org/gallery/11342/35058[img]

WTE_Ibis
06-07-2004, 03:12 AM
Sorry guys they were good photos of 335 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/Ibissix-schmile.JPG
[img].http://uploadit.org/gallery/11342/35058[img]

gombal40
06-07-2004, 03:23 AM
when u reply right of the smilie u see 3 symbols.press the middle one and paste ur link in....so show us the goodie's http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ASM 1
06-07-2004, 03:29 AM
alternatively if you are impatient (like me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) just copy and paste the link into your browser - I did.

Anyways

http://uploadit.org/Ibissix/Dor335.jpg

I think this is what we are after http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

S!

Andrew

http://home.comcast.net/~nate.r/ta152Hns-2.jpg

ASM 1
06-07-2004, 03:37 AM
http://uploadit.org/Ibissix/Dor335.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~nate.r/ta152Hns-2.jpg

WTE_Ibis
06-07-2004, 04:42 AM
http://www.uploadit.org/gallery/11342

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/Ibissix-schmile.JPG
[img].http://uploadit.org/gallery/11342/35058[img]

WTE_Ibis
06-07-2004, 04:44 AM
Damn still won't work!www.uploadit.org/gallery/11342

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/Ibissix-schmile.JPG
[img].http://uploadit.org/gallery/11342/35058[img]

ASM 1
06-07-2004, 04:46 AM
the url u want is

http://uploadit.org/Ibissix/Dor335.jpg

yours doesnt work cos you were trying to link to the page rather than the file itself

hope this helps

S!

Andrew

http://home.comcast.net/~nate.r/ta152Hns-2.jpg

DuxCorvan
06-07-2004, 04:47 AM
I WANT IT!!! I WANT IT!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

- Dux Corvan -
http://www.uploadit.org/DuxCorvan/Altamira2.jpg
Ten thousand years of Cantabrian skinning.

WTE_Ibis
06-07-2004, 04:48 AM
ASM1 If you look below that photo you will sea sign that says back. if you click on that you should get another photo.
Sorry but I guess I'm not good at this . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/Ibissix-schmile.JPG
[img].http://uploadit.org/gallery/11342/35058[img]

ASM 1
06-07-2004, 04:50 AM
http://www.uploadit.org/Ibissix/Do335-A02-91s.jpg

This one?

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

Andrew

http://home.comcast.net/~nate.r/ta152Hns-2.jpg

ASM 1
06-07-2004, 04:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
I WANT IT!!! I WANT IT!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

- Dux Corvan -
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah me too mate - more I see it, more I want it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

S!

Andrew

http://home.comcast.net/~nate.r/ta152Hns-2.jpg

WTE_Ibis
06-07-2004, 04:57 AM
Yea team,thanks ASM1.that is it .
Cheers m8. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/Ibissix-schmile.JPG
[img].http://uploadit.org/gallery/11342/35058[img]

ASM 1
06-07-2004, 04:57 AM
http://www.compsoc.man.ac.uk/~wingman/pics/do335_7.jpg

I'll stop now if ya want http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

Andrew

http://home.comcast.net/~nate.r/ta152Hns-2.jpg

ASM 1
06-07-2004, 05:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kneebonejockey:
Yea team,thanks ASM1.that is it .
Cheers m8. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/Ibissix-schmile.JPG
.http://uploadit.org/gallery/11342/35058[img]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehe no problems [img]http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif - just out of interest who are the bods in the second pic? Is it the dorinier team? They look a bit old - or have they been invited back to see it - is this the one dornier got fully restored to flying condition about 25 years ago?

S!

Andrew

http://home.comcast.net/~nate.r/ta152Hns-2.jpg

WTE_Ibis
06-07-2004, 05:03 AM
Cool man, thankya,thankya very much, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I am now leaving the building.

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/Ibissix-schmile.JPG
[img].http://uploadit.org/gallery/11342/35058[img]

WTE_Ibis
06-07-2004, 05:08 AM
Not sure, I've had it in my files for quite a while but I think you are right that it is a restoration,the people appear too well dressed,ie,clothes seem too modern for war period.

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/Ibissix-schmile.JPG
[img].http://uploadit.org/gallery/11342/35058[img]

ASM 1
06-07-2004, 05:18 AM
Cool!

I think I read somewhere that Dornier AG (or whatever they are called now) restored a prototype - think its an A0, to full working (flying) order (yes even the guns but obviously no ammo in them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif). Notice (if it is the same plane in the two pics and I think it is) that it has ben de-nazified (if thats what you could call it) between photopraphs - first and third ones I posted looks much more recent - its had a new coat of paint! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

What were the engines again? 2x DB603G's at 1800hp each? Now that WOULD be interesting http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

S!

Andrew

http://home.comcast.net/~nate.r/ta152Hns-2.jpg

WTE_Ibis
06-07-2004, 05:53 AM
Can you imagine flying this baby,of course it
wuold be banned as "uber"on the servers but what an experience to be able to try it.I reckon it would go well against the early jets. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/Ibissix-schmile.JPG
[img].http://uploadit.org/gallery/11342/35058[img]

ASM 1
06-07-2004, 05:57 AM
Oh yeah would be lovely http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

Andrew

PS if you want that plane as your sig do this

http://uploadit.org/Ibissix/Dor335.jpg

without the space between the two http://uploadit.org/Ibissix/Dor335.jpg

ASM 1
06-07-2004, 05:58 AM
hope that helped http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Although the initial image is a bit big for a sig - limits are:
500 wide x 200 high maximum dimensions
- 40KB file size maximum
- 3 lines of additional text

So you might want to tweak the photo just a wee bit to fit within these guidelines.

S!

Andrew

http://home.comcast.net/~nate.r/ta152Hns-2.jpg

WTE_Ibis
06-07-2004, 06:08 AM
S! Roger that m8,thanks for your help.

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/Ibissix-schmile.JPG
[img].http://uploadit.org/gallery/11342/35058[img]

ASM 1
06-07-2004, 06:18 AM
cool
no probs man http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

Andrew

http://home.comcast.net/~nate.r/ta152Hns-2.jpg

Doug_Thompson
06-07-2004, 08:29 AM
That story about the Il-10 and the crashed hard drive is a very sad story.

Thanks for all the photos, folks. Whatever else about the Do 335, it was beautiful. It was the WWII fighter version of a "muscle car."

dadada1
06-07-2004, 08:36 AM
Dont think this is an so called uber plane. It has good speed and climb but limited manouverability so it would'nt be a dogfighter, more of a destroyer.I don't really care if it were banned on DF servers I can still fly offline. It's a great aircraft and as far as I'm concerned would be a very welcome inclusion in the game. If others don't want this this A/C just because their particular favourite is already in game then thats a shame. I love the 109Z and Go 229 because they're interesting alternatives to the limited planesets we are usually sadled with in combat sims.

Franzen
06-07-2004, 09:05 AM
Wow, beautiful pics, thanx guyz. She really is a pretty one.
It would be great to fly through a million pieces of a PBY explosion. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

Sorry Gib http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif, although I agree with you I still had to say it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz Franzen

ASM 1
06-07-2004, 09:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
Wow, beautiful pics, thanx guyz. She really is a pretty one.
It would be great to fly through a million pieces of a PBY explosion. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

Sorry Gib http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif, although I agree with you I still had to say it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz Franzen<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh yeah! Bring it on!

it is a lovely, if rather deadly, looking thing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif Dunno so much about bits of a PBY - bits of B17's and B25's will do for me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif Sadly, and I hope it is not the case, but I kind of get the feeling that if we were going to get a DO 335, we would have had one by now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif &lt;sigh&gt; especially given that PF and BOB are on the horizon....

S!

Andrew

http://home.comcast.net/~nate.r/ta152Hns-2.jpg

p1ngu666
06-07-2004, 10:37 AM
lobby oleg for it tobe included?

perhaps u could group together and get paypal donations and pay to have it included, i dont know cost of adding aircraft to game

gib, be great if u could give me url of uploaded skin. i do have 3dmax aswell but i vaguly know howto use it to render, so if u gave me LOD_00 i wouldnt haveto pester u all the time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

i had some contact with guy who made IL10, it was on some of luthers webspace. ill try and contact him again
shame he didnt send me model tbh http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

http://www.pingu666.modded.me.uk/mysig3.jpg
&lt;123_GWood_JG123&gt; NO SPAM!

DarthBane_
06-07-2004, 01:00 PM
This is do335 whiners thread, i dont see point in mentioning potential irelevant flying expiriences (like flying boats and rest http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif). Do335 is unique fighter and certanly world of joy in flying and shooting http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif. Anyway since flying boat is making its way here at least i will satisfy myself by ripping it to peaces together with its large comunity who helped this thing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif to replace beloved http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif doo335. Argh lets form catalina destroyers squad http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Hope to met doners of this boat online(while flying the same) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/smileys-gun2.gif

Gibbage1
06-07-2004, 01:13 PM
Lol. Prime example of a Do-Do-Bird fan.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DarthBane_:
This is do335 whiners thread, i dont see point in mentioning potential irelevant flying expiriences (like flying boats and rest http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif). Do335 is unique fighter and certanly world of joy in flying and shooting http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif. Anyway since flying boat is making its way here at least i will satisfy myself by ripping it to peaces together with its large comunity who helped this thing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif to replace beloved http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif doo335. Argh lets form catalina destroyers squad http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Hope to met doners of this boat online(while flying the same) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/smileys-gun2.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

ASM 1
06-07-2004, 01:35 PM
heh yeah LOL!

somebody needs to take a chill pill eh Gib? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif seriously, I hope we do eventually get a 335 - also the PBY would be very nice, although perhaps it is more for PF ? Dont get me wrong - will be well cool if/when it comes to FB as well!

S!

Andrew

http://home.comcast.net/~nate.r/ta152Hns-2.jpg

Doug_Thompson
06-07-2004, 02:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Lol. Prime example of a Do-Do-Bird fan.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd reply with a quote from a Catalina fan -- if only there were any.

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://uploadit.org/Ibissix/Dor335.jpg

gombal40
06-07-2004, 02:07 PM
Do the Do, U wont,i know but darn...its a pretty bird.

Besides why isnt anybody talking to 1c/ oleg to make luft 46 happening?? just as an add on for aep? If Luthier can do it ( very silent lately on the pf front keeping fingers crossed)
why not somebody with a big mouth, a lot of talent, proven that his planes make the game
As a bonus he could do the realley weirdo's like
http://www.thefreedomeagle.com/large/pogo.jpg

and offcourse here http://www.luft46.com/

tempting not??

p1ngu666
06-07-2004, 02:07 PM
hehe
so its late war uber german aircraft vs flying boat
oo whats gonna bring more DIFFERENT and good gameplay?
besides cat nicer looking
and no email from gib, wonder if i have a pm http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

http://www.pingu666.modded.me.uk/mysig3.jpg
&lt;123_GWood_JG123&gt; NO SPAM!

Gibbage1
06-07-2004, 02:49 PM
I have found that people will only accept "luft46" aircraft only if its German.

Its a fact! I got so much hate mail from people when I announced the P-80. I kid you not, the same people who sent me hate mail sent me love letters for doing the Go-229.

95% of the complains I got was for the P-80, and nobody ever complained about the Go-229 except if they included it with the P-80. I also never got any complaints about doing the Do-335, but I bet you I would catch all sorts of flack for doing any US 1946 birds.

Its amazing how biest the members of this forum is.

The PBY will most likley be my last aircraft for the IL2 series. I have been modeling aircraft here for years. All good things must come to an end.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gombal40:
Do the Do, U wont,i know but darn...its a pretty bird.

Besides why isnt anybody talking to 1c/ oleg to make luft 46 happening?? just as an add on for aep? If Luthier can do it ( very silent lately on the pf front keeping fingers crossed)
why not somebody with a big mouth, a lot of talent, proven that his planes make the game
As a bonus he could do the realley weirdo's like
http://www.thefreedomeagle.com/large/pogo.jpg

and offcourse here http://www.luft46.com/

tempting not??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Gibbage1
06-07-2004, 02:53 PM
Im at work. I cent send you the texture till later tonight, if I remember. Chill dude. Its not like the Do-335 is going anywere.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
hehe
so its late war uber german aircraft vs flying boat
oo whats gonna bring more DIFFERENT and good gameplay?
besides cat nicer looking
and no email from gib, wonder if i have a pm http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

http://www.pingu666.modded.me.uk/mysig3.jpg
&lt;123_GWood_JG123&gt; NO SPAM!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

[This message was edited by Gibbage1 on Mon June 07 2004 at 02:13 PM.]

p1ngu666
06-07-2004, 03:05 PM
ah point hehe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
sorry, i got fried, stewed, cooked while in town http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
bloody hot
cooked brain
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Prof.Wizard
06-07-2004, 04:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
I have found that people will only accept "luft46" aircraft only if its German.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You already said that some posts ago. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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Gibbage1
06-07-2004, 04:26 PM
Ya. ITs funny how nobody disputes that fact hay? The truth can never be told too many times http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Prof.Wizard:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
I have found that people will only accept "luft46" aircraft only if its German.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You already said that some posts ago. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Ki_Rin
06-07-2004, 06:44 PM
Pfiels were long-range destroyers, fighter bombers and recon, with emphasis on speed (obviously!) and long range...they are NOT what-if type, they had limited service in combat zone, tho no recorded "fights"...but they were very troublesome in development...rear engines usually overheated and often caught fire...the ejection seat was not actually used first in the 335...the He 219Uhu was the first porduction aircraft to have ej seats (and UV lit instruments), the first ac to have a working ej seat was the He-280...(the He280 COULD have been in production almost a year before the Me 262...had a straight wing, twin podded engines, and twin fins, like a B25 or He162)

The real problem with having this brute in FB would be the fact it would suffer from having torque, like the 38...

"Consequences are for lesser beings; I am Ki-Rin...that is sanction enough"

Popey109
06-07-2004, 07:17 PM
Well I was glade to hear you'd decided to finish the boat, but I have to ask what practical purpose in FB it would serve? Online it would be fodder for fighter's looking for easy kills, off-line it would be key holed to recon, search and rescue or attacking ships, difficult to simulat and something in FB that would prove fatal for most PC pilots (my self included) part of what you see as Luftwhining is really a lack of material. We need more aircraft, 335 it did fly! And 219's, 410's 210's 129's I don't mind Allied aircraft the more the merrier, but more German variety would be nice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LEXX_Luthor
06-07-2004, 07:40 PM
Popey109:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>part of what you see as Luftwhining is really a lack of material. We need more aircraft, 335 it did fly! And 219's, 410's 210's 129's I don't mind Allied aircraft the more the merrier, but more German variety would be nice<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Excellent, and a point rarely admitted to. But you "forgot" something. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

You often see USA simmers cry out for P~36 or even P~26. You never have seen on this webboard LuftWhiners cry out for Bf~109B, C, or D, but only for more and more late WAR types, sub~types, and sub~sub~types, and the later the WAR the more the wailing, but never any desire for the Olde Ones before Fb109 Email. For me this is the most visible sign that LuftWhiners are more "arcadish" than other "groups" of simmers, Full Real or whatever. Not that there are not arcade elements in the other groups...SeaFire Whining and P~47M (or N whatever) Wailing are examples, but still you see them asking for non~arcade early or pre WAR planes more than LW simmers. We see VVS simmers very rarely ask for very late WAR Russian uber planes that never made it (and we have never got any), but mostly they Whine for something like Su~2 or, of all things, I~15. Probably very few people here even know about the non-produced late WAR uber Russian planes, mostly they only know what is in FB already. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
06-07-2004, 07:45 PM
That is just for fighters...Bombers are another story. Early WAR bomber Wailing seems to be equally shared across the board by all groups of FB~esque simmers...for those that like bombers.

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ImpStarDuece
06-07-2004, 07:53 PM
I know i'm not the biggest do-335 fan around but does anyone actually have any idea on the flight mechanics of the thing??

I remember reading that it had really unpleasent high speed characteristics, 'porposing' and 'snaking' at speeds over 450 mph, meaning that it was very difficult to hold steady in level flight. I think some of these problems were related to the airframe and others to the doubly disturbed airflow that the pusher puller combination created.

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Franzen
06-07-2004, 08:35 PM
Lexx-Luther, I would happily whine for more early 109 models, but I was already expecting those to appear in BoB. I also want a flyable Stork with a mounted camera for recon shoots. I want more flyable bombers too. We have battleships so I want to be lowered by a boom into the water and fly recon. I want Canadian skins, and I don't mean beaver, bear, or moose pelts.

But I don't like to whine cause I can hear myself. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Gibbage1
06-07-2004, 08:39 PM
Lol. And they said the PBY would be boring. Hehehe.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
I also want a flyable Stork with a mounted camera for recon shoots. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Franzen
06-07-2004, 08:43 PM
Ha ha ha, sorry Gib but I needed for an ongoing mission I've been thinking of. The Stork could add many possibilities to the game. My inspiration comes from "Battle of the Bulge" starring all the worst actors. I'm a little tired of d-fight missions. How much in Donations would you ned for that one? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Doug_Thompson
06-07-2004, 08:48 PM
The movie where Henry Fonda tells the pilot to -- wait a minute. Don't want to give your secret away, although I'm not sure anybody flying at tree-top level would have trouble finding a moving tank.

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Doug_Thompson
06-07-2004, 08:52 PM
Also, I take exception to being characterized as an un-American "Luftwhiner" because I think the Do 335 is an interesting design.

I don't know what kind of problems you've had with the pro-German fan base, Gibbage1, but I always fly allies and have said so before now.

I'm glad you're doing the P-80 and wish, frankly, somebody was doing the Do 335 instead of some of these near-suicidal German desperation planes that will soon lose their novelty. I don't see rocket rides as having much replay value or flexibility in mods once the initial thrill is gone.

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Franzen
06-07-2004, 09:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Doug_Thompson:
The movie where Henry Fonda tells the pilot to -- wait a minute. Don't want to give your secret away, although I'm not sure anybody flying at tree-top level would have trouble finding a moving tank.

http://uploadit.org/Ibissix/Dor335.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

or a tree top http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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Franzen
06-07-2004, 09:12 PM
I want a flyable V1 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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Doug_Thompson
06-07-2004, 09:19 PM
They did find a tree top, as I recall -- and a trunk, roots, several branches, etc.

As for the flyable V-1, forget that. I want a flyable V-2.

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Popey109
06-07-2004, 09:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Popey109:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>part of what you see as Luftwhining is really a lack of material. We need more aircraft, 335 it did fly! And 219's, 410's 210's 129's I don't mind Allied aircraft the more the merrier, but more German variety would be nice<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Excellent, and a point rarely admitted to. But you "forgot" something. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

You often see USA simmers cry out for P~36 or even P~26. You __never__ have seen on this webboard LuftWhiners cry out for Bf~109B, C, or D, but only for more and more late WAR types, sub~types, and sub~sub~types, and the later the WAR the more the wailing, but never any desire for the _Olde Ones_ before Fb109 Email. For me this is the most visible sign that LuftWhiners are more "arcadish" than other "groups" of simmers, Full Real or whatever. Not that there are not arcade elements in the other groups...SeaFire Whining and P~47M (or N whatever) Wailing are examples, but still you see them asking for non~arcade early or pre WAR planes more than LW simmers. We see VVS simmers very rarely ask for very late WAR Russian uber planes that never made it (and we have never got any), but mostly they Whine for something like Su~2 or, of all things, I~15. Probably very few people here even know about the non-produced late WAR uber Russian planes, mostly they only know what is in FB already. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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_"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..."_ ~Bearcat99
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Close this book forever and don't open anymore_!_"_ ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Don't get me wrong! I love the idea of the PBY but it doesn't appear to be coming to FB anyway, do I have this right? And I just don't see the use of it in campaigns? Except maybe on-line, my pilots career in the 109E-4 is pretty shot as is. I just miss badly at BOOM and ZOOM! My only point is too fly as fighter pilot for the LW you have jets, (you don't see on-line much) or 109's 110's and FW. Personally I like the 335, but would just as quick go for having cockpits for the 210, 410 and 129. And I was apposed to the 109z. It never flew!

Franzen
06-07-2004, 10:05 PM
I agree that we need more of a variety in the LW planeset but I must admit, I don't know what they should be. Many guyz have mentioned missing planes. If they were there and especially if they played a significant part I'd like to see them. Maybe part of the problem is a lack of datat. I know some planes will remain as AI only simply cause of a lack of data(cockpits for example).
Another problem might simply be a lack of interest from the modellers side. I can't blame them. As an artist I don't like to create what I have no interest in and if I try the quality would be poor. Just to add a little more, I don't think(don't know)that any of the modellers are fulltime employed to do this. I imagine they have other jobs and a life outside IL-2. Correct me if I'm wrong Gib.

Fritz Franzen

Doug_Thompson
06-07-2004, 10:13 PM
Thank Reichmarschal Goring for the real problem -- cutting off development of new types after 1940.

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Doug_Thompson
06-07-2004, 10:16 PM
Arrrgh. Just realized my latest signature has a swastika in it. Sorry about that.

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CV8_Dudeness
06-07-2004, 10:19 PM
the Do-335 deserves to be in FB because its so different

its a awesome plane & these different , special planes are what game developers shold make sure of including

the hum drum are all well & good but its the lesser knowen & lesser used planes that add to a games unique slant

the people who say onlythe more used planes allowed are stick-in-the-muds

the Go-229 ..... awesome

the MiG-3U ....... awesome

the Bf-Z ........ awesome

the I-185 ........ awesome

then again ...... you will never , ever not have complainers

just as i seem to be doing right now about the teasing shots og Gibbages Do-335 but knowing it wont ever make it in

CV8_Dudeness
06-07-2004, 10:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
I agree that we need more of a variety in the LW planeset

Fritz Franzen<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hello Franzen

i dont mind that its mainly the Bf & FW in FB but seeing as its only those two for fighters (jets & Z models aside) then why not even more models of both ?

people de-cried even more Yaks & LaGGs in the AEP patch but seeing more of these plane familys is a good thing

but for the German planes i see it as kinda owingas they are the only main fighters for Axis

CV8_Dudeness &lt;~~~~~~~~ would LOVE a He-100 even if Maddox games faked the Cockpit

Popey109
06-07-2004, 10:36 PM
Well after thinking about it, I was trying to find some roll for the PBY for PF in campaigns, I don't know if this has been brought up but what's needed is a die pack and downed pilot in the water, this would make search and rescue more interesting. And maybe you the pilot could rotate aircraft every so often, so's not to be flying cargo and search and destroy for 20 missions or till death you part? Recons always just going to be fly to way point and don't get shot down. Maybe pass the pilot in the water on to Oleg if not all ready done

Popey109
06-07-2004, 10:51 PM
Unless Gibbage1 could put a camera in too use like bomb site with more zoom! Than recon could be done more realistically http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Prof.Wizard
06-07-2004, 11:16 PM
Hmm, you want recon?
Dornier 335 again! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Do-335 A-4 was an unarmed long range reconnaissance model, with two Rb50/30 cameras in the weapons bay and DB603G engines. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

See? Flexible aircraft.
OMG the Catalina will be such a cannon fodder on online games.

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gombal40
06-08-2004, 12:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Ya. ITs funny how nobody disputes that fact hay? The truth can never be told too many times http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gibbage1:
I have found that people will only accept "luft46" aircraft only if its German.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
strangly then that your little excercise with the flapjack was taken positifly. oww well somebody will do it eventually...( one that has to apperantly have a large e mail account and a lot of patience) say anybody has an adres from lucas arts, you know swotl
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Gibbage1
06-08-2004, 02:05 AM
The F5U was my joke, and everyone knows it. It I really tried to get it into the game, everyone would give me a TON of grief.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gombal40:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Ya. ITs funny how nobody disputes that fact hay? The truth can never be told too many times http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gibbage1:
I have found that people will only accept "luft46" aircraft only if its German.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
strangly then that your little excercise with the flapjack was taken positifly. oww well somebody will do it eventually...( one that has to apperantly have a large e mail account and a lot of patience) say anybody has an adres from lucas arts, you know swotl
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p1ngu666
06-08-2004, 02:21 AM
thanks for the skin gib
ill hopefully start work onit tonight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Franzen
06-08-2004, 03:00 AM
I don't want to start anything but aren't we also missing some Russian planes?

Fritz Franzen

gombal40
06-08-2004, 03:19 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gibbage1:
The F5U was my joke, and everyone knows it. It I really tried to get it into the game, everyone would give me a TON of grief.

[QUOTE]

Yeah i read the thread i know it was a joke but still what im saying that not everybody dislikes the what if / luft '46 planes. And they dont have to be all german to look beutifull and weird.

gombal40
06-08-2004, 03:23 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by p1ngu666:
thanks for the skin gib
ill hopefully start work onit tonight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
[QUOTE]

while you're at it, a pretty skin round that Flapjack perhaps?
Would love it as a background. Posible???

ASM 1
06-08-2004, 03:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Prof.Wizard:
Hmm, you want recon?
Dornier 335 again! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Do-335 A-4 was an unarmed long range reconnaissance model, with two Rb50/30 cameras in the weapons bay and DB603G engines. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

See? Flexible aircraft.
OMG the Catalina will be such a cannon fodder on online games.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

how about the 8-635 designed by Junkers as a high alt recon/interceptor - 2 635's stuck together - 4X DB603G engines http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif and god knows what armament.

I was right about the pics btw - they are of an A0 which went to the states in may 1945 but 25 years later was restored by dornier in Germany. It is the ONLY one left from what I read. Also it went to EKDO335 before being captured by the Allies.

S!

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p1ngu666
06-08-2004, 05:46 AM
flapjack being gibs round bird thing?
i could if he sends me skin http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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Franzen
06-08-2004, 05:49 AM
maybe this is a stupid question, and not my first, but what is a "flapjack"? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

Fritz Franzen

Prof.Wizard
06-08-2004, 06:11 AM
If I understood correctly the F5U. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
Nothing to do with this thread. Here wer'e talking about the DORNIER 335 "PFEIL"

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Aaron_GT
06-08-2004, 06:15 AM
A flapjack is a small confection made from oatmeal, honey, etc. It is about 1.5 inches square. They are typically square.

Franzen
06-08-2004, 06:16 AM
I should have seen that one coming http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif.

Sounds yummy though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz Franzen

p1ngu666
06-08-2004, 06:36 AM
hmm, what plane is nearest to flapjack shape
i16?

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ASM 1
06-08-2004, 06:38 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif They ARE yummy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif and typically very "more-ish" - Once you have one... you gotta have more! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Very filling though, can manage 2 comfortably, after that it gets a bit dodgy! The coffee bar at my uni does homemade ones... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

mmm! yum! getting hungry as we speak http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

S!

Andrew

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dadada1
06-08-2004, 07:26 AM
They are also extremely fattening. Carry on like that and you won't fit in the pit.

ASM 1
06-08-2004, 07:41 AM
yeah LOL!

which is why I ration my flapjack intake to usually about once every six months http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif!

S!

Andrew

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NegativeGee
06-08-2004, 07:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
A flapjack is a small confection made from oatmeal, honey, etc. It is about 1.5 inches square. They are typically square.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My wife makes tasty flapjacks, but I'm not allowed to fly them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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Doug_Thompson
06-08-2004, 08:13 AM
There was a U.S. plane that was flat and round, with the props on two extensions that jutted forward. It had a bubble canopy and at least three small rudders sticking up.

Just add syrup.

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Doug_Thompson
06-08-2004, 08:29 AM
http://www.daveswarbirds.com/usplanes/photos/flapjack2.jpg

Flying flapjack (http://www.daveswarbirds.com/usplanes/aircraft/flapjack.htm)

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Prof.Wizard
06-08-2004, 08:35 AM
LOL... the "Flying Pancake"... definitely a plane I DON'T want to see in IL2. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Well, I might want to see it... after all other aircrafts of that era have been included. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Anyway, Douglas, it's good to see Gibbage's aircraft in your sig. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif
(it is that, right?)

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Franzen
06-08-2004, 08:41 AM
OOOOO! What a beautiful target. I wonder what artwork a 108 would make of that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

Fritz Franzen

ASM 1
06-08-2004, 09:01 AM
Franzen,

Stop giving me ideas http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif LOL! Ah well, you know what they say: "great minds think alike" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

Andrew

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Franzen
06-08-2004, 09:15 AM
Can you imagine being in a turn fight with that and he tries to turn in front of your K4. Talk about creating air-pollution. Mmmmm, a flapjack cloud http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif Mua ha ha ha! Honey and oatmeal all over my windshield, mmmm, yummy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

Fritz Franzen

ASM 1
06-08-2004, 09:38 AM
or in a DO335 - use the front engine to chop it (flapjack) into manageable slices for eats! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif mmm! Jumbo flapjacks...... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

Andrew

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Franzen
06-08-2004, 09:52 AM
Hmm, the front prop chews and the rear prop digests. That flapjack even looks fatfree http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

Fritz Franzen

Gibbage1
06-08-2004, 11:26 AM
Lol. Perfect example of Luftwhining. "I want the Do-335, but not the F5U." Thanks for proving my point.

http://www.gibbageart.com/images/f5u01.jpg

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Prof.Wizard:
LOL... the "Flying Pancake"... definitely a plane I DON'T want to see in IL2. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Well, I might want to see it... after all other aircrafts of that era have been included. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Anyway, Douglas, it's good to see Gibbage's aircraft in your sig. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif
(it is that, right?)

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"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Hoarmurath
06-08-2004, 11:36 AM
XF5U first flight was in 1947...

For the Do335, i think we have enough prototype, they had nothing to the sim... I would rather prefer a He219 or a Mosquito...

http://hoarmurath.free.fr/images/sighoar.jpg (http://hoarmurath.free.fr/)

Gibbage1
06-08-2004, 11:44 AM
Go troll somewere else. Your so wrong its not even funny.

Based on the success of the V-173, the Navy ordered two XF5U-1 prototypes (Bu. Nos. 33958/33959) in 1944. The airframes were completed in August, 1945. An interesting innovation as the use of "metalite" for the skin, a sandwich of balsa between two layers of aluminum. Unfortunately, it wasn't until 1947 that the special articulated propellers were delivered. Tethered tests were performed in Connecticut, but plans to flight test the F5U's at Edwards AFB (delivering them via the Panama Canal) were canceled in 1948, the Navy having lost interest in propeller-driven fighters.

So it never flew. BUT!! It was complete in 1945 and waited 3 years for the props.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hoarmurath:
XF5U first flight was in 1947...

For the Do335, i think we have enough prototype, they had nothing to the sim... I would rather prefer a He219 or a Mosquito...

http://hoarmurath.free.fr/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Hoarmurath
06-08-2004, 11:55 AM
No problem, i enjoy reading your posts to take trolling lesson gibb...

But i'm far from mastering the trolling as you do.

By the way, the XF5U was never ready to fly prior to 1947 (have you tried flying a prop plane without its props?), and if i well remember, we have a limit at 1946 planes.

The v173 was only built for testing.

Anyway, this topic was about the Do335 and not about the flying pancake, so you can stop trying to hijack the topic for your ameriwhining needs...

http://hoarmurath.free.fr/images/sighoar.jpg (http://hoarmurath.free.fr/)

Prof.Wizard
06-08-2004, 12:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Lol. Perfect example of Luftwhining. "I want the Do-335, but not the F5U." Thanks for proving my point.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
LOOOOOOOOOL http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Kevin, when will you EVER understand that asking for a plane to be designed/implemented doesn't automatically make you a --&gt; [Place Your Side Here]-whiner...

First, I'm only acknowledging certain persons' (including yours) skills in 3D graphics and making a personal pledge to them. That's why I sent you even a personal mail.

I'm not falling on your feet for you to design it. If you want you can always open a site with a PayPal donation jar and ask for money for every design you are willing to have. I'm pretty sure many persons will go in to see a flyable Do-335. If you don't want to design it ok. You said so, now beat it from this thread and stop posting rubbage.

Second, how many exemplars should a certain aircrafy type have in the war to be considered a "VALID" model for you (plural) to design? 1? 5? 10? 25?
When the US Army overran the Oberpfaffenhofen factory in late April 1945, only 11 Do 335A-1 single seat fighter-bombers and two Do 335A-12 conversion trainers had been completed. A further nine A-1's, four A-4's and two A- 12's were in final assembly, and components and assemblies for nearly 70 more had been completed. Heinkel at Vienna had been unable to build any Do 335A-6 night fighters
And this infomation EXCLUDES ALL the prototypes.

Third, the flying pancake was a '47 plane, yes designed in war but flown much much later. If you want to design it, that's fair and square for me but at that point I think it's proper to add some helicopters f(Fl-282) and some other, more interesting planes first.

So, all things considered, I'm not "LUFTWHINING". I bumped this thread up again cause I wanted to bring into your attention the fact that someone was designing the fastest piston-engined aircraft in wartime history and abandonded it for a... flying sitting duck with obscure real role in the online clashes.

Just my 2 €urocents,
Wizard.

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Gibbage1
06-08-2004, 12:09 PM
You ever consider the fact that 95% of the people who play IL2 play it offline? Just because you dont want to fly it does not mean its not wanted, or not wanted by the majority. Online, even a B-17 is a sitting duck because almost everyone is flying the super-uber aircraft. Whats funny is there are some online servers that have the PBY as AI flyable and people still fly it!!!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Prof.Wizard:

So, all things considered, I'm not "LUFTWHINING". I bumped this thread up again cause I wanted to bring into your attention the fact that someone was designing the fastest piston-engined aircraft in wartime history and abandonded it for a... flying sitting duck with obscure real role in the online clashes.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Prof.Wizard
06-08-2004, 12:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
You ever consider the fact that 95% of the people who play IL2 play it offline? Just because you dont want to fly it does not mean its not wanted, or not wanted by the majority. Online, even a B-17 is a sitting duck because almost everyone is flying the super-uber aircraft. Whats funny is there are some online servers that have the PBY as AI flyable and people still fly it!!!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So? What does that mean? And I myself fly the Me-210 and the B-17 sometimes (when servers allow it) online with outside views. I don't know where you get your "95%" statistics but I won't argue here. However, what makes you think we won't be interested in setting offline missions (or lol, speed contests) with Do-335s?

The Dornier is unique because of its capabilities and engine arrangement. That's all IMO of course, but I only responded to you to make you understand that your argument can also be used by the opposite party.

For me? If it was up to me (Oleg's shoes) I would pledge to implement in the sim ALL the aircrafts flown or DESIGNED (including your lovely "pancake") up until VJ Day. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
http://www.mihailidis.com/images/HWK109509.jpg

Gibbage1
06-08-2004, 12:21 PM
You seem to be ignoring the fact that I am not the one who braught up the F5U. gombal40 did on page 9. Nice troll technique. Blame something on someone else.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hoarmurath:
No problem, i enjoy reading your posts to take trolling lesson gibb...

But i'm far from mastering the trolling as you do.

By the way, the XF5U was never ready to fly prior to 1947 (have you tried flying a prop plane without its props?), and if i well remember, we have a limit at 1946 planes.

The v173 was only built for testing.

Anyway, this topic was about the Do335 and not about the flying pancake, so you can stop trying to hijack the topic for your ameriwhining needs...

http://hoarmurath.free.fr/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

p1ngu666
06-08-2004, 12:41 PM
back on to the offtopic http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
http://premium.uploadit.org/pingu666/flapjackpromoSMALL.jpg
bigger image
http://premium.uploadit.org/pingu666/flapjackpromo.jpg
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a lil something i knocked up for u guys http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif
i16 cos its most flapjack like plane, and 109k-4 and Z cos there most luftwhiney type and a late war uber plane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

i think gibb should stick that skin on the flying flapjack and do335 and screeny them for us http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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NegativeGee
06-08-2004, 12:44 PM
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LMAO Pingu666!

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"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - Günther Rall

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Gibbage1
06-08-2004, 12:56 PM
Were is the syrup?

http://homepages.utoledo.edu/pmany/Pancake1.jpg

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Prof.Wizard
06-08-2004, 01:08 PM
Hahah, nice one pingu.
Made me laugh... this thread was becoming yet another VS. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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p1ngu666
06-08-2004, 01:12 PM
its a flapjack gibb http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
just shoot the plane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

or u after MY syrup gibb? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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Prof.Wizard
06-08-2004, 01:12 PM
Mwhahahah! Not to flame here or anything. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

Use the word "flapjack" on Google and Search for Images!
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL,
look what's there in the first page apart from the biscuit.
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http://www.mihailidis.com/images/HWK109509.jpg

Doug_Thompson
06-08-2004, 01:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Anyway, Douglas, it's good to see Gibbage's aircraft in your sig.
(it is that, right?)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unfortunately, no. I had to do a Google image search to find a pix that was small enough and didn't have a Swastika. I think this one came from a British scale model company. The artist concluded -- sensibly enough, I guess -- that any Do 335's flying around in January, 1945 would have Luftwaffe winter camoflage.

=========

There's been a lot of talk about pro-German bias. Maybe that is a problem. I haven't been around long enough to know.

I'd prefer the Do 335 over other types because it is an innovative design that makes good use of "off the shelf" technology, and was the fastest piston-engined fighter aircraft accepted for service in any air force. It's nationality makes no difference to me.

http://www.sandbaggeruk.com/gramps/Do335Winter.jpg
Proud Charter Member of the Do-Do Birds Luftwhiners Chorus

Doug_Thompson
06-08-2004, 01:45 PM
Re: The Flying Flapjack

Supposedly, this plane's stall speed was 40 mph, about one-tenth its planned maximum speed.

Deck landings would have been child's play. If the ship was sailing away from you at 25 knots into the wind, your rate of approach would be about 10 miles an hour.

http://www.sandbaggeruk.com/gramps/Do335Winter.jpg
Proud Charter Member of the Do-Do Birds Luftwhiners Chorus

Gibbage1
06-08-2004, 01:54 PM
The P-47N flew combat and had a top speed of 460MPH. Thats only 14MPH slower then the Do-335 with ONE ENGINE. The XP-72 had a top speed of 490MPH, 16MPH more then the Do-335, WITH ONE ENGINE. F5U has a proposed top speed of 504 MPH with two engines.

I think the Do-335 was an interesting design, but I would not call it revolutionary. It was a cludged aircraft. A fighter with a bomb bay and no possible way for the pilot to look behind him (later they added blisters to the canopy with mirors). Sure it was fast..... But the allied side has stuff just as fast or faster ready to counter it if needed.



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Doug_Thompson:

I'd prefer the Do 335 over other types because it is an innovative design that makes good use of "off the shelf" technology, and was the fastest piston-engined fighter aircraft accepted for service in any air force. It's nationality makes no difference to me.

http://www.sandbaggeruk.com/gramps/Do335Winter.jpg
_Proud Charter Member of the Do-Do Birds Luftwhiners Chorus_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

p1ngu666
06-08-2004, 02:02 PM
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coming soon http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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ASM 1
06-08-2004, 02:05 PM
very tasty
LOL!
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S!

Andrew

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Gibbage1
06-08-2004, 02:06 PM
I need to put that texture on the F5u.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

p1ngu666
06-08-2004, 02:12 PM
http://www.il2skins.com/?action=display&skinid=12446
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made 2 skins today. of FOOD, i dunno if to laugh or cry

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Doug_Thompson
06-08-2004, 02:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
The P-47N flew combat and had a top speed of 460MPH. Thats only 14MPH slower then the Do-335 with ONE ENGINE. The XP-72 had a top speed of 490MPH, 16MPH more then the Do-335, WITH ONE ENGINE. F5U has a proposed top speed of 504 MPH with two engines.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which is all very true, but doesn't refute my point. The P-47N is (slightly) slower and the XP-72 was never accepted for service by anybody's air service.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I think the Do-335 was an interesting design, but I would not call it revolutionary.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Neither would I. As I said, it was an innovative use of off-the-shelf technology. As I've stated in earlier posts, the idea behind it dated back to the 1920s.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It was a cludged aircraft. A fighter with a bomb bay and no possible way for the pilot to look behind him (later they added blisters to the canopy with mirors). Sure it was fast..... But the allied side has stuff just as fast or faster ready to counter it if needed.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heck, the Allies had jets.

I never argued the Do 335 was flawless. No aircraft is. My main point of contention is that I'm not pining for this aircraft because I want a German uber-plane. That's been the broad-brush allegation that's been made, and I chose not to let it go unchallenged.

However, upon reflection I have to admit that I left out a big part of the reason why I like the Do 335.

At the risk of sounding superficial -- the Do 335 is one wicked-looking airplane.

People like this airplance for the same reason 1969 Dodge Chargers are collector's items. If looks could kill, this vehicle would be deadly.

http://www.sandbaggeruk.com/gramps/Do335Winter.jpg
Proud Charter Member of the Do-Do Birds Luftwhiners Chorus

ASM 1
06-08-2004, 02:40 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/351.gif - thats one of the reasons I like it too! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Also the fact that its a rarity.... that actually got to front line units! AFAIK 20 did, although there is no proof of them haviing fired their guns in anger. Still this is much more reason to have them than say a GO 229 or a BF 109Z, YP-80 etc etc. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif not that I dislike ANY of the aforementioned planes... variety can be good fun!

S!

Andrew

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Gibbage1
06-08-2004, 02:46 PM
I agree. The aircraft does look very mean. I love the FW-190 A series because of just how mean it looks. I accept that you like the Do-335 not from absolute love for everything German, but an admiration for its design. I am quite jaded when it comes to things like this because of my personal experances when I was modeling both the Go-229 and P-80. I got hate mail for the P-80, and love letters for the Go-229 from the same people. They said "P-80 does not belong! It never flew combat!" yada yada yada. Same can be said about Go-229, but it was never said. Only by a very very few. I know I have said this over and over, but its true. There is an abundance of Luftwhiners in this forum that wont accept anything but German stuff. Sorry if I pegged you into that catagory.

As for the arguement against the P-80 of "It never flew combat", the same can be said about the Do-335. It was there, yes. But no combat reccords on eather side. The few that were reportedly sighted could have been un-armed test flights or something. But I dont see anyone crying out "No Do-335! It never flew combat" like I had with the P-80. The P-80 DID fly sorties in Italy. 2 were sent after a photo-recon Me-262 but they did not find it.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

ASM 1
06-08-2004, 02:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:

As for the arguement against the P-80 of "It never flew combat", the same can be said about the Do-335. It was there, yes. But no combat reccords on eather side. The few that were reportedly sighted could have been un-armed test flights or something. But I dont see anyone crying out "No Do-335! It never flew combat" like I had with the P-80. The P-80 DID fly sorties in Italy. 2 were sent after a photo-recon Me-262 but they did not find it.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oooh - didnt know that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif sorry - I think thats the problem, ignorance leads to people saying "this never did that" or assumptions being made etc.

Ah well, learn something new every day.

Straying OT somewhat - bloody hell, its warm here in the UK http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif Least I am.... must be all the computer kit I have on....

S!

Andrew

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NegativeGee
06-08-2004, 03:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
The P-47N flew combat and had a top speed of 460MPH. Thats only 14MPH slower then the Do-335 with ONE ENGINE. The XP-72 had a top speed of 490MPH, 16MPH more then the Do-335, WITH ONE ENGINE. F5U has a proposed top speed of 504 MPH with two engines.

I think the Do-335 was an interesting design, but I would not call it revolutionary. It was a cludged aircraft. A fighter with a bomb bay and no possible way for the pilot to look behind him (later they added blisters to the canopy with mirors). Sure it was fast..... But the allied side has stuff just as fast or faster ready to counter it if needed.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you have to consider the design background to the Do-335 when evaluating its features and performance. While its speed was on a par with the fastest contempory US designs (I don't consider the F5U to be so) it was a plane that was born of shifting design demands and uncertain final use. The RLM could never quite decide what they wanted the type to do, and much like the Ar-240/440 and He-177 design compromises were made to create versatility that was not needed.

The bomb bay would have allowed the carrying of ordenance without the drag of an external store- a useful characteristic for an unarmed intruder aircraft as first envisioned. The large airframe allowed the mounting of very heavy gun armanement (2x MG151/15 and 1x MK-103- the V-13 added a further two 30mm weapons) and off course two engines allowed the loss of one without the usually serious consequences.

However, this misses what most authors consider to be the greatest potential of the type as a two seat night fighter version, a role in which it could have excelled.

Ultimately, the development was discontinued in favour of the Ta-152 at the end of 1944, a an aircraft much more favourable to meet the need for a new day fighter when performance, cost and maintainance requirements were considered.

If there was anything wrong the with the Ameisenbar it was the lack of clarity in development direction and its arrival at the dawn of the jet age, a time when all piston engined fighters were on the edge of obselesence.

"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - Günther Rall

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Doug_Thompson
06-08-2004, 03:04 PM
Gibbage1;

That's what I figured -- that you'd been worn out by real "Luftwhiners." Thanks for the explanation and sorry for unintentionally hitting a sore spot with the Do 335.

For what it's worth, I'm all for the P-80. I read up on it because of this thread. It was an amazing piece of engineering-under-pressure. The designers were given 6 months to design a plane and build a prototype because Allied intelligence learned that jets were close to completion in Germany. They beat the deadline by more than a month, as I recall.

The P-80 was a direct response to the Me 262 and the Arado jet bomber. Leaving it out of FB would be a serious lapse.

http://www.sandbaggeruk.com/gramps/Do335Winter.jpg
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Gibbage1
06-08-2004, 03:39 PM
Ya. When I got done with the PBY exterior and was looking for the next project, Oleg asked for 1946 late war stuff. So I did research on what jets they had. The Meteor was a dog at the time and were forbidden from manuvers, Vamp was totally underpowered, Russian jets were a joke. Nothing more then a Yak airframe with a Jumo slung under. Then I found the P-80 and found there were 2 serving combat trials in Italy before the wars end! Also, 30 were in the Pacific but missing a major component that delayed there deployment till the end of the war!

Hitler did his best to loose the war for Germany. Requiring all bombers (even 4 engine bombers) to be able to dive bomb. Changing the Me-262's roll to be a bomber. Changing the Go-229's roll so many times it delayed production just enough to keep it out of the sky. He messed up the Do-335 so many times. It was an extreamy versitile airframe for sure, but not by design but out of how many times its roll was changed. "What? Its a bomber today? OK Franz, remove the camera's!" "Its a FIGHTER NOW? Let me guess, tomorrow it will be a intercepter or a night fighter?".

I dont know if you have see the D-335 Z plans. It was like a 109Z. Two Do-335's sharing a single wing. That was innovative!!!!! a 4 engine bomber able to fly WELL above 400MPH and have a nice bomb load! Most 4 engine bombers have 5 large drag points. 4 engines and the body. The Do-335Z had just 2! It was cancled because there was no need for a heavy bomber and the Luftwaffa could not commit the materials needed. That would of been the fastest heavy-bomber of the war.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Doug_Thompson:
Gibbage1;

That's what I figured -- that you'd been worn out by real "Luftwhiners." Thanks for the explanation and sorry for unintentionally hitting a sore spot with the Do 335.

For what it's worth, I'm all for the P-80. I read up on it because of this thread. It was an amazing piece of engineering-under-pressure. The designers were given 6 months to design a plane and build a prototype because Allied intelligence learned that jets were close to completion in Germany. They beat the deadline by more than a month, as I recall.

The P-80 was a direct response to the Me 262 and the Arado jet bomber. Leaving it out of FB would be a serious lapse.

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"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Doug_Thompson
06-08-2004, 04:08 PM
Fascinating. No, I hadn't heard of the Do 335 Z, but am I not surprised there was an idea for one. Late-war Germany had a designer's sketch for everything. Imagination and desperation makes lots of drawings.

All these German ideas foster a myth: That the Germans had a big technology edge over the allies. The opposite was closer to the truth. Anybody who disagrees needs to read up on the history of radar.

**********

The more I read and think about the issues of this thread, the less sense it would make to skip the P-80 for anything. The Do 335 would be nice to have, but the P-80 is vital.

Would I still want to have both someday? Sure, but I'd have to take the P-80 first if I had to choose.

Even a jet would have had a tough job shooting down all the kamikazes that would have swarmed the Allies if they had invaded Japan. The P-80 would have been one very busy aircraft if it hadn't been for the atomic bomb.

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p1ngu666
06-08-2004, 04:17 PM
a small british company was tasked with buliding a 1000mph aircraft, from scratch, no plans just a intended engine in 3 months.
so they hadto go past sound barrier in 3 months. that aircraft was tobe the miles m52 which was bulit in fullscale i think but gov canceled it after war http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
wings so sharp u could shave with them, and a model of miles m52 did go supersonic later easily in 50s/60s

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MrOblongo
06-08-2004, 04:21 PM
Hmmm, ok, so give me one that saw combat!
AR234!!!!!

And make Ai planes fyable
Dont need more what if ****... this is turning into arcade :S http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

Doug_Thompson
06-08-2004, 04:26 PM
Re: The Flying Flapjack

We all had a good laugh when we saw it, but Chance-Voight's top test pilot was a believer in the aircraft and helped push for it, according to some web-pages that appear credible. I'll see if I can find something more solid in the source department, although Gibbage1 probably has a file on the aircraft.

The ugly little thing was fast, capable of hitting 425 mph with two 1,350 hp engines even with guns, etc. I don't know how maneuverable it was. The test pilot supposedly reported some handling problems but believed they could be overcome.

The thing that impressed me most, though, was the combination of a credible performance and a stall speed of 40 mph. This thing cold take off or land within 200 meters. It would have been almost a VTOL plane from an aircraft carrier, even an escort carrier. It also carried four 20 mm cannon and could have carried six.

In hindsight, this thing could have been a good addition to the anti-kamikaze arsenal, giving even escort carriers a fast fighter and able to go from hastily prepared dirt strips on land.

Ah, but nobody was planning kamikaze countermeasures in 1942, I guess.

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Re: Arcade "stuff"

Yeah, much of the German stuff is "pie in the sky," but the war in the Pacific was expected to take a year and a half after Germany fell. The P-80 is no stretch.



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Gibbage1
06-08-2004, 04:53 PM
The production model of the F5U was to have 2x2000HP. With the new blades, it was capable of 20MPH flight. The F5U was truly innovative if not just odd. It was canned in favor of jets in 1945 but was still under slow development till 1947. By then there was no interest in it. Its odd that prop aircraft still served off carriers well into Vietnam. They even used older F4U's in Korea.

Gib

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Ob.Emann
06-08-2004, 06:51 PM
If we got the flyable PBY, I would wet my pants in joy.

If we got a Do-335, I would die of cardiac arrest.

Der Oberst von schlechten Piloten

Doug_Thompson
06-08-2004, 08:43 PM
The best Do 335 web site (http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/dornier_do335.htm) I've found is the National Air and Space Museum's. After all, they own the only known surviving Do 335 and they are a museum. They're supposed to know the history.

A few highlights:

- development of the concept was delayed for six years because the RLM wanted Dornier to concentrate on bombers.

- the plane could do 348 mph on one engine.

- it broke the official world speed record of 469 mph when a prototype made 474 mph, but no one ever knew because the flight test was a military secret. According to the museum, it was "the fastest production piston-engined fighter ever built."

- it was described as docile to control with no dangerous spin characteristics.

- production was delayed when the specialized tools for making the plane were destroyed in bomber raids in March and April, 1944.

- The plane now owned by the museum "was captured by Allied forces at the plant on April 22, 1945. After checkout, it was flown from a grass runway at Oberweisenfeld, near Munich, to Cherbourg, France. During this flight, the Do-335 easily outclimbed and outdistanced two escorting P-51s, beating them to Cherbourg by 45 minutes."

- detailed flight performance tests were conducted, but the summary doesn't say if the records of those tests still exist.

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Doug_Thompson
06-08-2004, 08:58 PM
On a related note, the Cessna aircraft that used the "push me, pull you" engine arrangement was the Cessna 337 Skymaster.

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Ob.Emann
06-08-2004, 11:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Doug_Thompson:
http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/dornier_do335.htm I've found is the National Air and Space Museum's. After all, they own the only known surviving Do 335 and they are a museum. They're supposed to know the history.

A few highlights:

- the plane could do 348 mph on one engine.

- it broke the official world speed record of 469 mph when a prototype made 474 mph, but no one ever knew because the flight test was a military secret. According to the museum, it was "the fastest production piston-engined fighter ever built."

- it was described as docile to control with no dangerous spin characteristics.


- The plane now owned by the museum "was captured by Allied forces at the plant on April 22, 1945. After checkout, it was flown from a grass runway at Oberweisenfeld, near Munich, to Cherbourg, France. During this flight, the Do-335 easily outclimbed and outdistanced two escorting P-51s, beating them to Cherbourg by 45 minutes."


http://www.sandbaggeruk.com/gramps/Do335Winter.jpg
_Proud Charter Member of the Do-Do Birds Luftwhiners Chorus_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

*dies of cardiac arrest*

Der Oberst von schlechten Piloten

Prof.Wizard
06-08-2004, 11:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
All these German ideas foster a myth: That the Germans had a big technology edge over the allies. The opposite was closer to the truth. Anybody who disagrees needs to read up on the history of radar.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well not 100% truth. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

"It is, generally speaking, common to think that the 'Radar' was a secret weapon of the Allied forces. This is mainly due to the good publicity and employ the RAF made of it, and because of its important role during the Battle of Britain.
The development of Airborne Electronic Interception and Homing devices was parallel in both sides of the Front. What is very little known is that during this time Germany had the cr¨me of technology in communications. Again, spoiling the efforts of German scientist, is to blame the High Command of the Eh. Luftwaffe for its incapability to give priority to the development in the field of electronics during the early etage of war. In early 1940 Telefunken had made progress in what to consider the ancestor of the German radar. It was then Gen. Martini, of Communications branch of the Eh. Luftwaffe to discover these devices and propose them for the use in night interception. AEG Telefunken, Lorenz, Siemens, these are the names that made it possible. That was the beginning of the German radar."
http://www.ahost4u.com/~pauke/technology/radars.html

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p1ngu666
06-09-2004, 01:42 AM
most research in germany in 40-42 cos the war was won they thought
germans thought radar was for ships actully

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ASM 1
06-09-2004, 02:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
I dont know if you have see the D-335 Z plans. It was like a 109Z. Two Do-335's sharing a single wing. That was innovative!!!!! a 4 engine bomber able to fly WELL above 400MPH and have a nice bomb load! Most 4 engine bombers have 5 large drag points. 4 engines and the body. The Do-335Z had just 2! It was cancled because there was no need for a heavy bomber and the Luftwaffa could not commit the materials needed. That would of been the fastest heavy-bomber of the war.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes Gib - I had heard of this, designed and to be built by Junkers as the 8-635 (dunno what the 8 is for but the 6 I can understand http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) Dont have much info on it - the book I have that mentions it only has about 2 sentences to this effect. 335 would be lovely.... a 635... fantasy! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif and the PBY is very nice prospect too!

S!

Andrew

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WTE_Ibis
06-09-2004, 02:59 AM
I want my 335,Iwant my 335,I want my 335
I want my 335.I want my,I want,I, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif
Going home now,I'm not playing anymore it's
not fair. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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[img].http://uploadit.org/gallery/11342/35058[img]

WTE_Ibis
06-09-2004, 03:01 AM
I mean it,I may not come back till tomorrow
You will all be sorry. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/Ibissix-schmile.JPG
[img].http://uploadit.org/gallery/11342/35058[img]

ASM 1
06-09-2004, 03:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kneebonejockey:
I mean it,I may not come back till tomorrow
You will all be sorry. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really? Promise? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif
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S!

Andrew

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WTE_Ibis
06-09-2004, 03:53 AM
Now don't be like that Andrew, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/Ibissix-schmile.JPG
[img].http://uploadit.org/gallery/11342/35058[img]

ASM 1
06-09-2004, 03:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kneebonejockey:
Now don't be like that Andrew, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/Ibissix-schmile.JPG
.http://uploadit.org/gallery/11342/35058[img]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Moi? [img]http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif Never http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif - Just joking with you http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif

If you want that DO335 on the link to appear as your sig Replace [img].http://uploadit.org/gallery/11342/35058[img]
with

http://uploadit.org/Ibissix/Dor335.jpg

should get you this: (obviously take the "es" out at both ends http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

http://uploadit.org/Ibissix/Dor335.jpg

S!

Andrew

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[This message was edited by ASM 1 on Wed June 09 2004 at 07:28 AM.]

ASM 1
06-09-2004, 04:05 AM
only thing is - that pic is a bit big for a sig according to the guidelines so you may have to edit...

- Limited to one image per signature or a short text.
- 500 wide x 200 high maximum dimensions
- 40KB file size maximum
- 3 lines of additional text

S!

Andrew

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dadada1
06-09-2004, 05:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ob.Emann:
If we got the flyable PBY, I would wet my pants in joy.

If we got a Do-335, I would die of cardiac arrest.

Der Oberst von schlechten Piloten
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can't really see what other purpose PBY has in game other than a target, but I'm not going to complain about it's inclusion. AS for the 335, you don't like then don't fly, but don't try to deny others the opportunity of getting this UNIQUE bird. A little tolerence and objectivity go a long way.

Doug_Thompson
06-09-2004, 08:06 AM
Re: Radar

I should have specified that the Germans kept up through 1941 and into 1942 but then fell behind.

I've forgotten the name of the simple but radically effective device that essentially fed a loop and made radar much more effective, but the Britons invented it and shared an early copy with the Americans while the U.S. was supposedly neutral. Americans scientists took off with it after that.

German air defense radar got the job done, so the lead wasn't as noticable there, but U-Boats were devastated by Allied radar.

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DuxCorvan
06-09-2004, 08:25 AM
Gibbage HAS to finish it. I'll make him an offer he can't reject... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

http://www.movieactors.com/photos-50/brando2.jpeg

- Dux Corvan -
http://www.uploadit.org/DuxCorvan/Altamira2.jpg
Ten thousand years of Cantabrian skinning.

ASM 1
06-09-2004, 08:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ob.Emann:
If we got a Do-335, I would die of cardiac arrest.
Der Oberst von schlechten Piloten
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't do that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif If you did then you wouldnt be able to enjoy flying it in AEP http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

S!

Andrew

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DuxCorvan
06-09-2004, 08:39 AM
BTW, PBY is for PF. We won't see it in FB. Gibbage has been seduced by Dark Side of UBI... now he's the pupil of Darth Luthier. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

- Dux Corvan -
http://www.uploadit.org/DuxCorvan/Altamira2.jpg
Ten thousand years of Cantabrian skinning.

Doug_Thompson
06-09-2004, 08:41 AM
I really liked that picture ...

http://uploadit.org/Ibissix/Dor335.jpg

... but it is too big to fit the guidelines for a signature picture.

All the other good photoes of a Do 335 have a swastika in them. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Re: The Flying Flapjack

The Smithsonian also owns the only prototype of that plane. It's page on the flapjack has some discouraging news.

If either or both props stopped, the flapjack became unflyable. The system that kept the props turning was prone to breakdown.

Here's the page. (http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/pancake.htm)

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GonzoX
06-09-2004, 09:11 AM
While on the subject,

Has ANYONE voluteered to try and finish the Do335 at all?

Is there any hope at all at this point in time or any other that it will ever be made?

ASM 1
06-09-2004, 09:12 AM
Doug, Kneebonejockey

will this do? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif You can fight over it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

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S!

Andrew

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[This message was edited by ASM 1 on Wed June 09 2004 at 08:25 AM.]

ASM 1
06-09-2004, 09:16 AM
Whoever wins,

Its in my photobucket store -remember to take the "es" out at both ends.

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v299/asm016/WW2%20Stuff/Do335_sig.jpg

Only 42.26 KB (43272 bytes) so I dont mind keeping it there . Alternatively go to www.photobucket.com (http://www.photobucket.com) and get yourself an account - ITS FREE! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Ah well thats my good deed for the day http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

Andrew

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[This message was edited by ASM 1 on Wed June 09 2004 at 08:28 AM.]

DarthBane_
06-09-2004, 09:18 AM
Would be nice to have boat and dodo in FB, than a deathmach server could be setup: catalina comunity guys in rescue of sinking ship crew, while dodo guys attack tham, that would be awesome http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif. Joking ofcourse, do335 is a mean looking gunplatform (and bomb), i realy hope that it will be included, best of all if mosquito and dodo could come in at same time.

ASM 1
06-09-2004, 09:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GonzoX:
While on the subject,

Has ANYONE voluteered to try and finish the Do335 at all?

Is there any hope at all at this point in time or any other that it will ever be made?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/351.gif I'm sure we'd ALL like to know, one way or t'other http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

S!

Andrew

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ASM 1
06-09-2004, 12:28 PM
What! I cant beleive nobody wants it as a Sig ... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v299/asm016/WW2%20Stuff/Do335_sig.jpg

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v299/asm016/WW2%20Stuff/Do335_sig.jpg

S!

Andrew

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Heavy_Weather
06-09-2004, 12:31 PM
hey its Crimson Skies........ http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

"To fly a combat mission is not a trip under the moon. Every attack, every bombing is a dance with death."
- Serafima Amsova-Taranenko: Noggle, Ann (1994): A Dance with Death.

Prof.Wizard
06-09-2004, 12:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heavy_Weather:
hey its Crimson Skies........ http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hmm, usual response by guys on fun servers when I take a jet to fly while they fly hypermodeled uberplanes of 1945. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Whatevee... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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p1ngu666
06-09-2004, 01:15 PM
ill poke harti http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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