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grobber
03-05-2004, 05:52 AM
One thing that has bugged me is the in Forgotten Battles is that in UK Air Force there are Polish, Czech, New Zealand and US Squadrons but no Canadian Squads. The biggest slap in the face is many of these also get their own Air Forces in the game. Canada had a large Air Force and mad significant contributions in both the European and Pacific theaters and used many of the planes (US and UK) that are modeled in FB.

My question is it possible to add Canadian Air Force or the at least add Canadian squadron to the UK Air Force ???

grobber
03-05-2004, 05:52 AM
One thing that has bugged me is the in Forgotten Battles is that in UK Air Force there are Polish, Czech, New Zealand and US Squadrons but no Canadian Squads. The biggest slap in the face is many of these also get their own Air Forces in the game. Canada had a large Air Force and mad significant contributions in both the European and Pacific theaters and used many of the planes (US and UK) that are modeled in FB.

My question is it possible to add Canadian Air Force or the at least add Canadian squadron to the UK Air Force ???

Deepcold
03-05-2004, 06:26 AM
OMG here we go again!!! I learn with time that our country is not recognize by anyones. That's a shame i agree because, a lot of our heros gave their lifes for that war but, i guess the whole world think that we still transporting our self with wagon and we're wearing beaver skins. It took 2 years to include Canadian soldiers in Battlefield 1942 and when they did, a dumb *** started a flame forum by saying that we could stop whinning because we had our flag in the game. The only game that i remember who did included us on the start is Lock On with our CF-18(without the metal plates under the cockpit to hide the holes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and CFS3 because they were considering us as a Great Britain division. So please, if Oleg is putting a Canadian squadron someday, don't flame usby saying "here you go...are you happy now???... we're just proud of our country as you are and we love to see that we're appreciated for what we did. Cheers!

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PBNA-Flanker
03-05-2004, 07:10 AM
i would really like to see some canadian squads in the game.. i have same canuck skins!

Lock-On has a CF-18 but it is not player flyable.. just an AI plane

stef51
03-05-2004, 07:17 AM
There is one squad in the Aces expansion. Choose UK as country, then choose "1 squadron". This is the Canadian squadron during the Battle of Britain.

Stef

grobber
03-05-2004, 07:26 AM
I thought all the Canadian Squads were given a 400 prefix by the brits

ShVAK
03-05-2004, 07:28 AM
Canada did have the 400 series squadrons (the sole exception being 103 Sqn which came in after the war) and Canada also became the fourth largest air force. For some history lessons, start here:

http://www.rcaf.com/1939_1945_waryears/index.htm

Go Leafs go!

[This message was edited by ShVAK on Fri March 05 2004 at 07:52 AM.]

Bearcat99
03-05-2004, 07:35 AM
Not trying to be funny but.... what are YOU gonna do about it? Why not start a Canadian squad yourself? Or do some research on Canadian squads and get the markings together for submission. Or do both. The 332nd FG wasnt here either..... do you think they would have been in this sim if UCLANUPE & I hadnt made thier presence felt in this community by creating the 99th in this venue? That was one reason why I wanted to do it so badly. Even now... I get sick of going to bookstores and looking at books about WW2 aviation and seeing no mention of the 332nd. Believe it or not it still happens..... a lot. I suck it up... keep buying my books...... and I try to do my best to REPRESENT when I come here or any WW2 venue so people who dont know will know. Thats all you can do relly. I really dont think the 332nd would be here if we hadnt put it here, in the community I mean.... 310th CO Copperhead was instrumental in getting us included in the regiments folder..... That whole new regiments folder for FB was his idea. If we werent here we might have been overlooked again. I dont think its a concious thing to keep overlooking the Canuck's contributon.. just something that keeps happening...but YOU and all your fellow Canadians CAN and SHOULD make a change... Dont forget... we get regular updates.. we have a developer who at least listens.... even if he doesnt always agree with our input. Go for it....

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grobber
03-05-2004, 07:36 AM
Just some more info on Canadian Squadron numbers from http://www.rcafmuseum.on.ca/ww2.htm



The heavy commitment to the BCATP and home defence meant that only three squadrons were originally detached to overseas service. Number 110 Army Co-operation Squadron arrived in Britain in February of 1940. Four months later Number 112 Army Cooperation Squadron and Number 1 Fighter Squadron also went overseas. No. 1 Squadron, under the command of S/L E.A. McNab, began operations on the 19th of August 1940 during the Battle of Britain as attacks on southern England by the Luftwaffe increased in intensity. Eight weeks later, the squadron score was 31 enemy aircraft definitely destroyed and 43 probables. Three pilots had been killed in action, the first air combat deaths of the RCAF. S/L McNab, F/L G.R. McGregor and F/0 B.D. Russel were awarded the first Distinguished Flying Crosses of the RCAF.

Expansion of the RCAF overseas in the spring of 1941, and a new policy of Canadianization created a new system of squadron numbering to avoid confusion with RAF squadrons. The 400-449 block was allocated to the RCAF. Number 110 became Number 400, Number 1 became Number 401 and Number 112 became Number 402. The first RCAF unit formed overseas was Number 403 Fighter Squadron on the 1st of March 1941.

In the fall of 1941, 406, 409 and 410 Squadrons became night fighters. Prior to D-Day, their score was 55 enemy aircraft destroyed, 100 probables and 27 damaged. 417 Squadron, attached to the Desert Air Force, flew operations from the Nile Valley to Northern Italy.

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T4T-TheProf
03-05-2004, 08:43 AM
We have recently setup a Canadian/Brit Squadron - 242 Squadron. It's a mix of Brits and Canadians, as was the real Squadron, led by D. Bader.

stef51
03-05-2004, 08:52 AM
http://www.raf.mod.uk/squadrons/h1.html

History of 1 squadron with insignia just like in the game...


As for Bearcat's idea of getting involved, I think it's a great idea. I just found a link for the Hurricane's bombs and rocket version and Oleg said that he was looking for inputs. So I will send him pics that I have and hopefully it will help him.

In theory, for the squadrons, we need insignias and the squadron number and the 3 letters assigned to them, things like that.

Squadrons insignias and number...

http://www.rcaf.com/1939_1945_waryears/squadrons/overseas/index.htm

Some 3 letter codes...

http://www.nnbblkdrgn.bravepages.com/british_aircraft_markings.htm

Amazing what we can find on the net... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Stef

JG52_wunsch
03-05-2004, 11:59 AM
hi
yes its possible we just need someone with the
nohow. if any body wants to start on this,i ll
help all i can,just send me an email.cheers

essemm
03-05-2004, 12:30 PM
I would definately help in setting up a Canadian squad. I have some skinning experience, and am a not-bad web designer.

http://server3.uploadit.org/files/141103-warloch_small.jpg

Bearcat99
03-05-2004, 12:30 PM
Talk to Copperhead... he can tell you how he went about getting it accomplished. This is one of the tings I rerally enjoy about the sim. it inspires real passion... not just a blind following. I know there are some who are in it solely for the gameplay which of course is what sucks us all in at first, and thats cool... nothing at all wrong with that. For me however IL2 and now FB has taken on a whole new place in my life. It is largely responsible for my resurgent intrest in WW2 history and aviation in general...on a higher level and because of it's accuracy and the overall quality of the sim, for me it has also becoame a huge springboard for the increase of my computer skills. Most of what I have learned over the last 18 months about computers from networking, to overclocking and building PCS is directly linked to IL2 and trying to squeeze every last drop of performance out of it. Add to that some of the great folks I have met since buying it and..... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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VW-IceFire
03-05-2004, 12:43 PM
I sort of have my own Canadian squadron going here with me as the only member. May open it up someday to others as a casual flying club rather than a solid highly competitive squadron.

AEP is supposed to have a full listing of all RAF squadrons for fighter command and some for bomber command. Someone want to confirm that it was done?

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essemm
03-05-2004, 12:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I sort of have my own Canadian squadron going here with me as the only member.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Staff parties must be WILD http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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willyvic
03-05-2004, 01:48 PM
There is a RCAF squadron that frequents the lobby. It's name? Why RCAF of course. We've been around since 1999. Born and bred in CFS1, dabbled in CFS2 and now are migrating to FB slowly but surely. Keep an eye out for our call signs and join in when ya can..

Cya round the lobby.

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Oso2323
03-05-2004, 02:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>AEP is supposed to have a full listing of all RAF squadrons for fighter command and some for bomber command. Someone want to confirm that it was done?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I participated in a big thread on this a while ago on netwings. I've also mentioned this in ORR. I thought Ubi was going to produce the full list too. Interestingly, we only got Polish squadrons. Someone was doing research on Canadian sqn's and emblems and I posted some info. Hmmm....

Bandit.426Cdn
03-05-2004, 02:31 PM
On HL, there is also the quite active Squadrons of #401, #402, and #426 representing.

We've got our ducks in a row with insignia and accurate markings to boot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

GunnyBunny001
03-05-2004, 02:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Not trying to be funny but.... what are YOU gonna do about it? Why not start a Canadian squad yourself? &lt; crapola snipped http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif &gt;<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Canada did have the fourth largest air force by the end of WW2. In addition, they had many flyers in the British Air Force. Furthermore, Canada joined the war effort many years before the USA !

Speaking on behalf of my Canadian brethren, I am insulted that Canada does not have a "Separate" country selection. I believe that the authors of the program should be ashamed of themselves and immediately create a Patch to amend this issue.

SHAME SHAME SHAME

I am going to start a POLL to address this concern now !!

[This message was edited by GunnyBunny001 on Fri March 05 2004 at 01:51 PM.]

JG52_wunsch
03-05-2004, 02:38 PM
hi
if anybody is interested(or already started)on
making an rcaf folder,like i said i m more then willing to help.i don t fly online cause i didn t like dfing as it didn t seem like ww2(realistic).maybe i should try a coop.cheers.

BaldieJr
03-05-2004, 02:41 PM
I'm sick and tired of the US not being mentioned in world history prior to 1492 and stuff and blah, blah, and googledy blech.

Good grief. Does the game somehow suck without your countries markings? I'm so glad the chinese don't bother with this kind of behavior... it seems they're all too busy playing the game to come here and make a case for history revision and the oppression of thier people in video games.

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JG52_wunsch
03-05-2004, 03:02 PM
hahaha baldie if don t have something to add
shut the **** up.we had to listen to all the yanks whine,now its our turn,mmmmk.
don tlike it,don t read it,even a yank should be able to figure that out.cheers.

grobber
03-05-2004, 05:48 PM
I would be willing to help, to get this going, I am a programmer by trade, but would be more then happy to do research if that is what is need

BTW baldie I remember lurking around here about a year ago and being overwhelmed by all the whining because there was no P-51, I am just looking to improve my experience

Arms1
03-05-2004, 06:05 PM
read baldies first sentence, i'm sure he's just yankin the chain

Aimosika
03-05-2004, 06:09 PM
Has Canada been in war? Who attacked Canada anyway? Just curious...

jensenpark
03-05-2004, 06:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aimosika:
Has Canada been in war? Who attacked Canada anyway? Just curious...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Man, I assume you are trying to be funny, because no one can be that ignorant.

I think we have no representation here because Oleg and his Russian crew are still mad at Paul Henderson and 1972 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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