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CooperF4E
04-16-2004, 05:08 PM
I'm new to the Il-2 community, and so I'm curious about the P-40, and how people view it.

I'll go ahead and say it. The Curtiss P-40 is my favorite fighter plane of the World War II era. I've read countless books, combat accounts, websites, etc.

After it all I've come to the conclusion that it is the single most underrated fighter of World War II.

It's often been criticized because people said it was too slow or not agile enough, etc.

It's funny though because many people don't look at it like this:

In the Pacific theater the P-40 was able to hold the line (along with the P-39 to some extent and of course the Navy's Wildcat & British Hurricane) until the later part of the war when other newer fighters became available.

It was faster than most any Japanese fighter, including the vaunted Zero. It was much more durable, faster, dived better, could carry heavier loads, and was just generally a more rugged airplane than the Zero. In fact, Japanese pilots considered a well-flown P-40 the most dangerous airplane to fight against in low-altitude combat. (The P-38 was considered the most dangerous at high altitude for them and the F4U Corsair was considered the most dangerous overall.)

Saburo Sakai (pardon the spelling), Japan's most famous ace, considered the P-40 was a very tough opponent.

Then, in the European/North African/Russian theaters the P-40 met very different opponents in the fighters it faced in Luftwaffe markings. It wasn't quite as fast as most Luftwaffe fighters, but it was much more agile, and of course more durable.

So I ask again, what are general opinions of the P-40. Who flies it in this game?

I always fly it. I love it.

CooperF4E
04-16-2004, 05:08 PM
I'm new to the Il-2 community, and so I'm curious about the P-40, and how people view it.

I'll go ahead and say it. The Curtiss P-40 is my favorite fighter plane of the World War II era. I've read countless books, combat accounts, websites, etc.

After it all I've come to the conclusion that it is the single most underrated fighter of World War II.

It's often been criticized because people said it was too slow or not agile enough, etc.

It's funny though because many people don't look at it like this:

In the Pacific theater the P-40 was able to hold the line (along with the P-39 to some extent and of course the Navy's Wildcat & British Hurricane) until the later part of the war when other newer fighters became available.

It was faster than most any Japanese fighter, including the vaunted Zero. It was much more durable, faster, dived better, could carry heavier loads, and was just generally a more rugged airplane than the Zero. In fact, Japanese pilots considered a well-flown P-40 the most dangerous airplane to fight against in low-altitude combat. (The P-38 was considered the most dangerous at high altitude for them and the F4U Corsair was considered the most dangerous overall.)

Saburo Sakai (pardon the spelling), Japan's most famous ace, considered the P-40 was a very tough opponent.

Then, in the European/North African/Russian theaters the P-40 met very different opponents in the fighters it faced in Luftwaffe markings. It wasn't quite as fast as most Luftwaffe fighters, but it was much more agile, and of course more durable.

So I ask again, what are general opinions of the P-40. Who flies it in this game?

I always fly it. I love it.

Chuck_Older
04-16-2004, 05:12 PM
I like it. How could I not, with a user name like Chuck Older?

But I will admit I find it very difficult to fight with. I have not "gotten" the key to this plane yet. I would rather fly a P-51B with 100% fuel in a fight, because I seem to understand that plane's quirks. I have not figured out the P-40's quirks. From time to time I try, but it isn't easy yet.

I console myself that Charles Older flew Hawk 81s AND Mustangs effectively, so maybe I can get it half right at least http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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konstantinl1
04-16-2004, 05:31 PM
I like P-40's although I don't often fly them in game.

It would be cool if we got a P-40N model in FB but that doesn't ever seem likely now.

LW_lcarp
04-16-2004, 05:32 PM
P-40 takes a buttload of hits to bring it down. An engine hit isnt always that bad as ive been trailing lots of smoke and still evaded the enemy and RTBed.

The best use of it though is in a 2 or 3 man team one guy has to be the bait to lure all the other planes to come after him while your wingmen are cleaning there clocks as the baddies think they have themselves and easy kill.

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Arm_slinger
04-16-2004, 05:33 PM
I likei t, although she has been in the hanger for a while what with the Spit and 38 joining me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Shes a lovely plane to fly- not the fastest, but she can turn well, dive well, and has powerful guns

I think i might have to take her up in a mo and stretch her wings a bit

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Chuck_Older
04-16-2004, 05:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by konstantinl1:
I like P-40's although I don't often fly them in game.

It would be cool if we got a P-40N model in FB but that doesn't ever seem likely now.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How about in Pacific Fighters?

My fingers and toes are crossed for Hawk 81s and more P-40 marks

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ForkTailedDevil
04-16-2004, 06:25 PM
I like the P-40 but haven't figured out an effective way to pilot the aircraft yet. Everytime I fly against even rookie A6M's I get murdered. I guess I need Ben Afleck for a wingman.

heywooood
04-16-2004, 06:34 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chuck_Older:


My fingers and toes are crossed for Hawk 81s and more P-40 marks

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El Turo
04-16-2004, 06:36 PM
Yo!

Fellow P-40 lover here too! The P40 and P38 are probably my most common selections when flying online. So much character and spirit in those birds.. I love em!

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Chuck_Older
04-16-2004, 06:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by heywooood:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chuck_Older:


My fingers and toes are crossed for Hawk 81s and more P-40 marks

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Chuck? ya gotta want the P40c dontcha? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course!

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El Turo
04-16-2004, 07:05 PM
Were the Hawk81-a2 models basically a P40b or P40c? I don't recall. Anyway.. it's always been one of my favorite rides in every flight sim that I've played.. dunno why exactly, because it doesn't do anything spectacularly well other than perhaps dive and high speed roll. Here's my career numbers from that "other" flight sim:


H81-a2 (FR) Bf109E4 (DE) 34 8 4.25
H81-a2 (FR) Bf110c (DE) 18 5 3.60
H81-a2 (FR) Bf109F4 (DE) 17 8 2.12
H81-a2 (FR) Bf110C4/B (DE) 5 0 5.00
H81-a2 (FR) Stuka (DE) 25 0 25.00
H81-a2 (FR) Heinkel (DE) 1 0 1.00

100 21 4.76

Exactly 100 A2A kills with a 4.76 kill ratio.

Lub my hawk!

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RAAF_Edin
04-16-2004, 07:12 PM
P-40 is my favorite from all and I fly it when ever available. I find it very manouverable and best at lower altitude and say against Zero's it is best to use team tactics... stay fast and not get slow with the Zero's... simply keep your speed and always go for the aircraft that you think is unaware of you and preferrably lower than you...

Yes it is a tad slow but it can roll excellent and at higher speeds Zero's can't match it's turning... and especially roll rate.

I keep getting best results with 3-4 of us in P-40 using voice coms and working together and also down low P-40 will match or outmanouver any 109... the only time I get killed is if someone get's on my 6 because I was the unaware pilot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Chuck_Older
04-16-2004, 07:12 PM
Hawks were export versions, as far as I could ever find out

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GK.
04-16-2004, 07:25 PM
i am a fan of shooting down p40s.

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CooperF4E
04-16-2004, 07:39 PM
Well well I must say I'm rather shocked at the number of P-40 fans around. I'm glad to have people appreciating her like i do.

I get so irriated when I read some of those more generic aviation books that say she wasn't very agile....

I forgot to mention that the P-40 has the tighest turning circle of ANY U.S. fighter of World War II, with the P-51A coming in second place. Rather interesting food for thought wouldn't you say?

I think the misconception comes when people compare her to aircraft like the A6M Zeke (i.e. Zero) and the Ki-43 Oscar, which of course could turn inside the P-40, but they could also turn inside of anything else in the world at the time.

Anyway aside from the last post it seems to be a positive thread.

If you guys are intereted I can tell you some rather interesting wartime stories about P-40's and their crews.

P.S. The Hawk 81 is the export variant of the early P-40 models which included the P-40B and P-40C. Some Hawk 81's varied slightly, so it's hard to say if they are really P-40B or P-40C aircraft.

Contrary to popular belief the AVG (i.e. The Flying Tigers) didn't operate the P-40B or the P-40C. They operated Hawk 81's. They were closer to the P-40C overall, but technically not the C model.

For anyone who's interested the best way to tell the difference between a B and a C is that the C is capable of carrying a drop tank. The B didn't have that capability coming off the production lines.

VW-IceFire
04-16-2004, 07:52 PM
I like the P-40 alot...its a classic warbird and it was definately liked alot less than it could be.

The airplane did have some nasty vices, but then what airplane didn't...but the overall thing is that at the outbreak of war in the PTO, it was available and in large quantities. Plus it was fast, relatively agile (not in comparison to a Zero but relatively so), well armed, tough construction...all the things that make a fighter good. Problem was pilot experience...obviously once that was solved the P-40 and the Wildcat became much more difficult opponents for the Zeros and Oscars that they faced (amongst others).

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BuzzU
04-16-2004, 07:52 PM
If the P-40 in FB is close to accurate. Then it's a good plane. I fly it all the time and like it. Not as much as the P-51, but I can say that about all other planes.

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dedsixx
04-16-2004, 07:56 PM
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Venom079
04-16-2004, 08:04 PM
Aah, the Warhawk, it's a classic http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Venom079
04-16-2004, 08:05 PM
....and lethal if flown correctly.

El Turo
04-16-2004, 08:49 PM
Cooper,

If I'm not mistaken, the P-36 (Hawk75), was a much superior turner..?

Although, to be fair, I'm not entirely sure if it ever saw service AS a P-36.

Good question, actually.

Anyone know?

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ZG77_Lignite
04-16-2004, 09:06 PM
I was under the impression the P-40's used by the AVG WERE P-40b's, however sensitive military equipment such as radios were stripped and replaced with civilian equivilants.

I agree that this is a mere technicality, as the same thing was done with the H-81 (stripping of military equipment). However, the point is that Roosevelt (or equivalant subordinate) did allow the transfer of aircraft intended for the military to Chennault (thus, they ARE P-40's). Please correct me if I'm wrong, I find the AVG (the 'real' AVG http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) to be most fascinating.

Cajun76
04-16-2004, 09:08 PM
Amoung it's contemporaries, it's quite competetive. I like to fly it against Zero's, as I get to use it's historical strengths against the Zero's historical weaknesses. And I flip that around once in a great while, because I know exactly what the P-40 will do.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

GK flies arcade, so his comment is based on shooting down P-40E's with a K4. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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PBNA-Boosher
04-16-2004, 09:13 PM
The Warhawk is one of my favs! Some people say it suks, but that's not true. They're just Horrible P-40 pilots. If flown correctly, it can dish out some serious damage!

BuzzU
04-16-2004, 09:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cajun76:
Amoung it's contemporaries, it's quite competetive. I like to fly it against Zero's, as I get to use it's historical strengths against the Zero's historical weaknesses. And I flip that around once in a great while, because I know exactly what the P-40 will do.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

GK flies arcade, so his comment is based on shooting down P-40E's with a K4. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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Exactly! The P-40 against the Zero is a blast. I never get tired of it.

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Bearcat99
04-16-2004, 10:27 PM
I think the P-40 is great. When I was 5 my cousin, who was 6 years older than me and always used to get bent when I got in his stuff (marbles,train set,chemistry set, you name it.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif)had a Cox P-40.. it was that plane that eventually became mine when he discovered girls that was also a major reason why I love warbirds to this day. I used to read Blackhawk comics (again.. my cousin's http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif) and they flew P-40s.

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AlGroover
04-16-2004, 11:11 PM
Great plane. The field modified version has a torque reaction roll that you can trim out that doesn't feature on the others. Also seems very sensitive to airspeed for best turning performance. Overall I think it achieves better results than you would expect from first impressions.

Maj_Death
04-16-2004, 11:13 PM
The P-40 is a nice bird. It certainly isn't one of the best 1941 fighters but it by no means the worst either. I like the way it looks, its handling and its cockpit layout. It is a very nice all round fighter http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

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04-16-2004, 11:41 PM
I have a PDF Pilot Manual for the P40 Warhawk/kittyhawk, reproduced and edited with permission from Dan Ford, at www.danford.net (http://www.danford.net)
around 1.4 megs, if anyone is interested in hosting it I would appreciate it, just PM me.

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Chuck_Older
04-17-2004, 07:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ZG77_Lignite:
I was under the impression the P-40's used by the AVG WERE P-40b's, however sensitive military equipment such as radios were stripped and replaced with civilian equivilants.

I agree that this is a mere technicality, as the same thing was done with the H-81 (stripping of military equipment). However, the point is that Roosevelt (or equivalant subordinate) did allow the transfer of aircraft intended for the military to Chennault (thus, they ARE P-40's). Please correct me if I'm wrong, I find the AVG (the 'real' AVG http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) to be most fascinating.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They are quite similar, but not exactly the same aircraft. As a side note, the Hawk 81A-2s flown by the AVG were intended for Great Britain, if I recall correctly, not China.

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Lav69
04-17-2004, 07:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by H_Butcher:
Yo!

Fellow P-40 lover here too! The P40 and P38 are probably my most common selections when flying online. So much character and spirit in those birds.. I love em!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You must be very good at this game to fly the p-40 online. Or you are a masochist. Not many folks seem to fly it effectively.

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SeaFireLIV
04-17-2004, 07:30 AM
Out of all the US planes the P40 is my favourite even though it`s not quite my flying style. I`m not sure why. Maybe it`s the shark teeth that gave it some character to start with when I was young!

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willyvic
04-17-2004, 07:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I like the P-40 alot...its a classic warbird and it was definately liked alot less than it could be.

The airplane did have some nasty vices, but then what airplane didn't...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What vices bro?...I fly her quite frequently. One of the very few birds that feels like your putting it on instead of getting in. Rolls great, turns on a dime, and can take on the best of that era. I must admit though that I usually fly as stink bait, drawing the bad guys in so my wingies can pounce. But hey, they usually leave me some table scraps... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Cajun76
04-17-2004, 08:26 AM
He's talking about the P-40 in real life had some vices... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif it's pretty tame in FB. Then again, most planes are. !09's aren't generally harder to land and take off with than any other plane with stiff gear, but in RL they had some nasty handling on the ground. I haven't blown a tire yet landing one.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I'm not picking on the 109, just making an example. I don't recall just what the P-40's vices were, but even some well known aces had a thing or two to say about thier handling.

Good hunting,
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willyvic
04-17-2004, 08:50 AM
Ah, on the ground she can be a handfull that I grant... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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Capt_Kernel
04-17-2004, 08:56 AM
Lot's of us P-40 nuts out here. The plane has a certain attraction for me. The overall design and looks are sweet.

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ImpStarDuece
04-17-2004, 10:37 AM
I treat the P-40 like i do all US aircraft in il2 -with the exception of the p-39/63.

Imagine its a big massive broad sword (covered in bubble wrap until the next patch comes out). Heaps of metal, kinda unweildy and a glancing blow wont do much bamage. But get that baby swinging and watch out!

diving and turning at speed are great in a P-40, while the armament seems (to me anyway) to be the best or the .50 armed planes in the game.

If your fighting zeros stay out of a turn fight, always boom and zoom.

No more than 1 turn to get a decent shot and then extend, gain altitude, dive and repeat until the poor Zero so full of holes he can see the virtual terran through his feet.

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ucanfly
04-17-2004, 11:09 AM
The FB P-40 does not seem to require the amount or rudder correction that I have read in pilot accounts and perhaps has none of the vices. Nonetheless it is a fun plane to fly but please let's not just assume that FB has 100% correlation to reality.

It may be the best WWII air war game out there overall and Maddox games does its best, but I would take some FMs in this game with a big grain of salt. There is only so much you can do with such a large plane set on a lowly PC with finite resources.

Monty_Thrud
04-17-2004, 11:33 AM
Big fan of the P40..second only to the Huzzy & Spit or maybe in fourth now due to the P38...however, i'm struggling with it in the online coop mission against the Zero and ive been flying her since IL2FB came out...still!.. having fun practicing to become better http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

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FI-Aflak
04-17-2004, 12:05 PM
I fly P-40 from time to time.

I love its looks.

I was mixing it up low and dirty, found myself alone with two La-7's and one Yak-3.

That was a fun fight. I made two of the La-7's smoke and then some friendlies arrived, giving me the opportunity to land my now-perforated bird. Didn't get any kills out of it, but I beat two La-7's and sent them running for home (i think my teammates iced them before they made it).

A good engagement. La-7 does everything better than the P-40 except for roll. So I scissored until I got an overshoot, and kept the angles pretty steep so the La-7 didn't get a good deflection shot on me, and on the overshoot I would usually have .5 seconds of gunsight time with the enemy A/C. I had so much fun in that engagement. The P-40 is my favorite (and I think the most deadly) early war fighter. in a 1940 or 41 server, P-40 owns all.

Esckey666
04-18-2004, 03:28 AM
I love the P-40, granted I don't play full real all that often due to only having a mouse and keyboard so I havn't had the real experience yet but I still love. I prefer the Herc(Hurricane) to the P-40 simply due to many many hours of play Battle of Britian"Finest hour" on my old atari

04-18-2004, 03:47 AM
Well in the Pacific, after the IJNAF shot the RAF out of the skys over Maylaya and Singapore, the P-40 was main Allied Aircraft you will be flying until late April 1942, then you get the P39.
It depends where you fly though, in the New Guinea Campaign you get the P-40 and the P39 right up to the begining of 1943, before the P-38 shows up.
At the Battle of the Coral Sea you and Midway you get the F4F Wild cat, and you may get some more land based Wild Cats around Quadacanal with more P-39s thrown in.
Burma Indo China mostly P-40 and Hurricane Mark IIB.
Yea for the first year of the Pacific War the P-40 was a real main stay in the land campaigns.

McTriggerhappy
04-18-2004, 05:22 AM
i personally dont really like it, there are plenty of other decent planes out there besides that

you can't forget that zeros take p40s any day of the week, as well as just about every other plane

Ketalar
04-18-2004, 06:36 AM
*steps up to the line*

I love the P-40. I've loved it since the first time I saw it. The lines, the looks, the saucy radiator, the cockpit, everything.

I'm also impressed with it's versatility, it can TnB, it can BnZ, it can do ground attacks. It all comes down to what the opponent's flying.

And if anyone thinks it's an inferior plane, all I have to say is: Find JimmyGiro on HyperLobby and watch him dance with the P-40. That guy can get his bird to do things it didn't know was possible.

willyvic
04-18-2004, 09:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by McTriggerhappy:
you can't forget that zeros take p40s any day of the week, as well as just about every other plane<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahem, see ya in the lobby sometime http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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GK.
04-18-2004, 09:42 PM
P40 could NOT out run the zero, according to Ben Affleck, a credible source.

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"P40's can't out run the zero, so we'll have to outfly them." -Ben Affleck

WARHorse82
04-18-2004, 09:50 PM
I have never had any trouble with the P-40.Since I started flying it I've always tryed to take full advantage of it's strengths and stay clear of it's weaknesses as best I can.The P-40 suits my style almost to the "T".

Sabla
04-18-2004, 09:52 PM
Since ya like P-40's so much, I'll bump this up just so you can see the signature pic I have been using.
The note below it says it all.

JBA

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Dad was a Crew Chief in the 88th.

CooperF4E
04-18-2004, 10:26 PM
"you can't forget that zeros take p40s any day of the week, as well as just about every other plane"

Lol. That's one of the funniest (and stupidest) remarks I've heard in quite some time. I do wish you'd elaborate on that point because I eagerly await the chance to shred your, likely weak, argument. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Whatsmypassword
04-18-2004, 11:31 PM
READ an interesting article in English about the recovery of a real P-40 in North Russia.

The P-40C was located by satellite photography [!!!] in a desolate part of Russia in 1993. It was recovered from behind Murmashi, a rail depot south of Murmansk, where it had crash-landed during WWII.

See at http://airforce.users.ru/lend-lease/english/articles/sheppard/p40recovery/index.htm

If you wanna see some historical photos P-40 in VVS look at http://airforce.users.ru/lend-lease/articles/romanenko/p-40/index.htm

http://airforce.users.ru/lend-lease/articles/romanenko/p-40/kuznetsov1.jpg

http://airforce.users.ru/lend-lease/articles/romanenko/p-40/p40k_23.jpg

tatsuokuroda
04-19-2004, 12:02 AM
IT's good to know that I'm not alone in this secret society of P40 admirers... I couldn't agree more in that the fighter deserves respect. It has incredible history tucked behind it with AVGs, Pearl Harbor, then the European Theatre...even found in Alaska (near).

Personally I was drawn to it's tough looks. It looked like a figher, a "pursuit" aircraft, looked professional... and sure enough if used properly (as was done with Chenault's outfit) it can do the job it was meant for.

In FB, I know it doesn't stand much chance up against most other ACs but I can't resist flying it over and over again after countless shutdowns... just being in that beautiful cockpit and flying it... I can almost relive those of AVG experiences.... a reenacted fantasy ... read most of the Flying Tiger's literatures including the diary and the documentary version of the book and the film. Simply amazing experiences they had... and flying P-40 in FB is the closest I can get to it....

Any news on creation of P-40B's?, any of the earlier variants?

tatsuokuroda
04-19-2004, 12:02 AM
IT's good to know that I'm not alone in this secret society of P40 admirers... I couldn't agree more in that the fighter deserves respect. It has incredible history tucked behind it with AVGs, Pearl Harbor, then the European Theatre...even found in Alaska (near).

Personally I was drawn to it's tough looks. It looked like a figher, a "pursuit" aircraft, looked professional... and sure enough if used properly (as was done with Chenault's outfit) it can do the job it was meant for.

In FB, I know it doesn't stand much chance up against most other ACs but I can't resist flying it over and over again after countless shutdowns... just being in that beautiful cockpit and flying it... I can almost relive those of AVG experiences.... a reenacted fantasy ... read most of the Flying Tiger's literatures including the diary and the documentary version of the book and the film. Simply amazing experiences they had... and flying P-40 in FB is the closest I can get to it....

Any news on creation of P-40B's?, any of the earlier variants?

tatsuokuroda
04-19-2004, 12:02 AM
IT's good to know that I'm not alone in this secret society of P40 admirers... I couldn't agree more in that the fighter deserves respect. It has incredible history tucked behind it with AVGs, Pearl Harbor, then the European Theatre...even found in Alaska (near).

Personally I was drawn to it's tough looks. It looked like a figher, a "pursuit" aircraft, looked professional... and sure enough if used properly (as was done with Chenault's outfit) it can do the job it was meant for.

In FB, I know it doesn't stand much chance up against most other ACs but I can't resist flying it over and over again after countless shutdowns... just being in that beautiful cockpit and flying it... I can almost relive those of AVG experiences.... a reenacted fantasy ... read most of the Flying Tiger's literatures including the diary and the documentary version of the book and the film. Simply amazing experiences they had... and flying P-40 in FB is the closest I can get to it....

Any news on creation of P-40B's?, any of the earlier variants?

tatsuokuroda
04-19-2004, 12:04 AM
IT's good to know that I'm not alone in this secret society of P40 admirers... I couldn't agree more in that the fighter deserves respect. It has incredible history tucked behind it with AVGs, Pearl Harbor, then the European Theatre...even found in Alaska (near).

Personally I was drawn to it's tough looks. It looked like a figher, a "pursuit" aircraft, looked professional... and sure enough if used properly (as was done with Chenault's outfit) it can do the job it was meant for.

In FB, I know it doesn't stand much chance up against most other ACs but I can't resist flying it over and over again after countless shutdowns... just being in that beautiful cockpit and flying it... I can almost relive those of AVG experiences.... a reenacted fantasy ... read most of the Flying Tiger's literatures including the diary and the documentary version of the book and the film. Simply amazing experiences they had... and flying P-40 in FB is the closest I can get to it....

Any news on creation of P-40B's?, any of the earlier variants?

04-19-2004, 02:21 AM
Well you P-40 Fans are going to be in for a good time in the Pacific.
Especially the New Guinea Campaign, because 17 P-40E fighter Aircraft of the 75th Squadron Royal Australian Airforce, was the sole Air Defence capability of the Crucial Port Moresby Area, until the end of April 1942.

They where up against Japanese Air superiority over New Guinea, and no less than the Tianan Wing of the Imperial Japanese Naval Airforce!based at Lae,
Saburo Sakai amongst them!
Hit the History link at our home page for more info.
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CooperF4E
04-19-2004, 05:16 PM
Hmm......our little "the Zero beats the P-40 always" friend hasn't made any good backup points to his remark....perhaps he realizes the error of his way.

(With such a stupid remark you'd hope he would.)

BuzzU
04-19-2004, 05:42 PM
I can't understand why guys would come on threads like this if they don't like the P-40. The title of this thread says it all. If I saw a thread saying "Any Zero Fans". I wouldn't even click on it.

I know they are moron trolls, but I still don't understand it. Then again. Who could understand a moron troll except another one.

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CooperF4E
04-19-2004, 07:14 PM
You have a very good point.

In a sense though I hope he does try to defend himself. I'd enjoy cutting him down. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

El Turo
04-19-2004, 07:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lav69:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by H_Butcher:
Yo!

Fellow P-40 lover here too! The P40 and P38 are probably my most common selections when flying online. So much character and spirit in those birds.. I love em!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You must be very good at this game to fly the p-40 online. Or you are a masochist. Not many folks seem to fly it effectively.

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I seem to do well enough with my lil Warhawk.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

It's not real quick, it's not the fastest, it doesn't climb the best, but it can roll pretty well, is a nice stable gun platform and is just a real honest all around aircraft in my humble opinion.

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Tooz_69GIAP
04-19-2004, 10:32 PM
Well, the P-40 sucked so much before the advent of the 1.21 patch. A lot of people probably didn't fly it too much because of how bad it sucked. But when 1.21 came around, the FM tweeks made it such a sweeeeeet aircraft to fly that I spent a lot of time in it.

It is my favourite fighter, except for the Ishak. I fly this fighter probably almost as much as I do the Ishak in DF servers, and I have flown the P-40 many many times in Forgotten Skies and in campaigns with squad mates.

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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Za Rodinu!

Resident_Jock
04-19-2004, 11:00 PM
I fly the P40 when I can, but only during coops. For I know the greatest weapon in the P40's arsenal... a compitent wingman. The thatch weave never felt so good http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Too bad it's hard to get good teamwork in DF servers. I am more fond of the P38L anyway. Those dive brakes are great for luring 109's into a dive and watching them splat behind me when I execute a 6g pull an inch off the ground!

VFA-195 Snacky
04-19-2004, 11:21 PM
I didn't read all of the posts here (not patient enough for 4 pages sorry.lol) but I assume folks like the P40 like I do. I wouldn't call it my favorite aircraft (Corsair with a Hellcat in close second hold that distinction) but there is something about it that makes me like it. I think it's the fact that the Flying Tigers made it famous and made it work even though it was a underdog as far as fighters go. Everyone likes an underdog.lol
Plus it has an attitude. I don't know of any other aircraft that looks as good with a sharkmouth paint job, its like the designers of the P40 had the sharkmouth paint scheme in mind when they built it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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DeerHunterUK
04-20-2004, 05:33 AM
The sharksmouth design was actually 1st used on Tomahawks by 112 Squadron RAF in North Africa and was later copied by the more famous AVG in China. Bit of useless trivia for you there.
And yes I do like the Kittyhawk ingame but I haven't flown it since AEP. How's the P-40E climbrate now, I remember Oleg saying he was gonna alter it as it was too good?

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AlGroover
04-20-2004, 07:05 AM
Just noticed this thread is still going, so I'll add a few things I noticed about the P40. For new players you'll probably notice it needs a fair bit more rudder than most planes to get best turning performance. Also the field modified version has a strong torque reaction to the right. I had a closer look at this in comparison to other versions. The Allison motor rotates clockwise when viewed from the cockpit, the Klimov anticlockwise. If the airframe were built (I don't know if it was) to compensate for the torque of the Allison, I could well imagine the 'aftermarket' fitting of the Klimov could well upset things. Such attention to detail by Oleg and team.

[Gypsy]
04-20-2004, 09:26 AM
Although I have been doing a lot of ground pounding in the P-38, I still like the P-40.. fun to fly still...

"Gypsy"


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CooperF4E
04-21-2004, 02:31 PM
If I'm not mistaken I've read that the Klimov engine produced some noticeable torque. This was likely exacerbated by the fact that they used the P-40E. The P-40K introduced an extension to the vertical tail to help counter this problem. I believe some P-40F's were fitted with this as well. Later on, the P-40F as well as P-40L, P-40M, and P-40N models (possibly later K's as well) featured an extended fuselage whereby the vertical tail actually began behind the horizontal stabilizers. This helped to reduce torque problems as well as improving flight characteristics and reducing the chances the airplane would go into a departure (namely a spin).

So if things hold as they should be the P-40M should be a bit trickier to put into a spin as opposed to the P-40E or the P-40E with the Klimov engine.

CooperF4E
04-22-2004, 08:22 AM
I was wondering. I'm still pretty new to this board, but I've noticed this guy who makes these really neat movies (THX 1138 I think?).

I was wondering what his plans are (for any of you guys who have been keeping up with it), and if there's any chance he can or would do a movie about P-40 pilots (USAAF, Russian, etc.) and their airplane because as you all know I think the P-40 is a greatly underrated airplane that did a LOT for the Allied war effort, and was much more important than many so-called "historians" give it credit for.

I'd love a video ala Forgotten Heroes or The Few that's about the Warhawk and its crews.

P-40_Lover
04-25-2004, 10:46 AM
The P-40 has always been my favorite plane of all time, even though it was eclipsed by later Allied fighters. Ever since I first read "God is My Co-Pilot" by General Robert Scott, I have had a great amount of respect for that sturdy little plane. Yes, the Zero was a great plane too, but in the hands of a good pilot, the P-40 was a deadly machine. To the point about the P-40 vs. the Zero, here is an excellent article on the topic.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/p-40_vs_zero.htm

Here's another article where you will learn that the P-40 could take on the ME-109 as well.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/p40.htm

Happy Landings!