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adlabs6
08-23-2003, 06:16 AM
As far as I can tell, it appears that the right rudder pedal in all the Fw190's is slightly depressed by default.

I noticed that I has having to maintain considerable rudder on the right, or else keep correcting with ailerons in order to keep the ball centered or wings level during cruise flights. By chance I panned down into the floor of the 190 cockpit, and the right pedal was depressed slightly! Applying a bit of left rudder brought the on screen pedals back into balance, and the 190 had a much more coordinated flight.

I have eliminated my joystick or calibration as a cause here. FB shows my rudder to properly center calibrated, and this is echoed in the Windows control panel, as well as MS FS2004.

In order to remove the doubt that engine torque was to blame, I disabled "Torque & Gyro Effects", and flew two tests in the QMB. The Fw190's continued to exhibit a slight roll to the right at 65% throttle. On the other hand, a 109K-4 flew at 65% throttle for three minutes with no noticable roll changes.

Using the QMB and Multiplay modes, I tested each major plane, and found that only the Fw190's exhibit this "heavy right pedal". I checked this by going to the external view of the parked planes, zooming in and pressing "Center View". Observe the centering of each planes rudder. My Fw190's are one to two "animation notches" to the right. All other planes I tested showed the rudder as centered from the same view.

Since the effect is reduced (but still present) with torque disabled, I can only guess that the torque is amplifiying the slight rudder depression.

I'd appreciate anyones input to support this, or to give a solution to what I've observed.

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adlabs6
08-23-2003, 06:16 AM
As far as I can tell, it appears that the right rudder pedal in all the Fw190's is slightly depressed by default.

I noticed that I has having to maintain considerable rudder on the right, or else keep correcting with ailerons in order to keep the ball centered or wings level during cruise flights. By chance I panned down into the floor of the 190 cockpit, and the right pedal was depressed slightly! Applying a bit of left rudder brought the on screen pedals back into balance, and the 190 had a much more coordinated flight.

I have eliminated my joystick or calibration as a cause here. FB shows my rudder to properly center calibrated, and this is echoed in the Windows control panel, as well as MS FS2004.

In order to remove the doubt that engine torque was to blame, I disabled "Torque & Gyro Effects", and flew two tests in the QMB. The Fw190's continued to exhibit a slight roll to the right at 65% throttle. On the other hand, a 109K-4 flew at 65% throttle for three minutes with no noticable roll changes.

Using the QMB and Multiplay modes, I tested each major plane, and found that only the Fw190's exhibit this "heavy right pedal". I checked this by going to the external view of the parked planes, zooming in and pressing "Center View". Observe the centering of each planes rudder. My Fw190's are one to two "animation notches" to the right. All other planes I tested showed the rudder as centered from the same view.

Since the effect is reduced (but still present) with torque disabled, I can only guess that the torque is amplifiying the slight rudder depression.

I'd appreciate anyones input to support this, or to give a solution to what I've observed.

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XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 06:22 AM
iv noticed my 190 rolling to the right and it is quite annoying. i can agree with what u say.

XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 07:00 AM
Its possible the trim tab could be bent the wrong way.

In 1.0, the torque was cancelled by the fixed tab. Maybe in redoing the FM they accidentally set the trim the wrong way.

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adlabs6
08-23-2003, 04:58 PM
I got to wondering if this could be a part of why the Fw190 tends to roll so hard after slight damage? A bit of damage that would not usually cause serious wing drop, combined with the engine torque as well as the rudder pushing right might do this.

I checked back, and the last two times I experienced wing drop with no visible damage, each time it was the right wing that was dropping, in one case at around 30? per second. Strange.

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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 12:23 PM
and here I thought it was me.......

XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 12:32 PM
I'm not seeing that... I'll look more now though..

What I do see is that the roll is much more sensitive now, beginning to roll with even the slightest stick motion..

Basically seems fine to me..

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