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92SqnGCJimbo
05-05-2004, 06:24 PM
mine would have to be as follows
1.pearl harbour (not realistic story good cgi though)
2.top gun ( i can rip that movie apart . mig played by northrop f5's lol)
3.the eagle has landed (didnt interest me)
4. maybe that new bob movie (supposed to be like a ww2 top gun....might be half decent if story is realistic doubt that though)
there we go thats my lot hope i havnt offended any one and plzz DONT TURN THIS INTO A "WE WON THE WAR AND U DIDNT THREAD"

92SqnGCJimbo
05-05-2004, 06:24 PM
mine would have to be as follows
1.pearl harbour (not realistic story good cgi though)
2.top gun ( i can rip that movie apart . mig played by northrop f5's lol)
3.the eagle has landed (didnt interest me)
4. maybe that new bob movie (supposed to be like a ww2 top gun....might be half decent if story is realistic doubt that though)
there we go thats my lot hope i havnt offended any one and plzz DONT TURN THIS INTO A "WE WON THE WAR AND U DIDNT THREAD"

_VR_ScorpionWorm
05-05-2004, 06:32 PM
When did this "new" BoB movie come out, and who published it? I never heard of any BoB movie except for the one made by MGM. As far as War movies go......Hmmmm.......not sure but I will get back to you on that.

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Baltar
05-05-2004, 06:37 PM
It isn't even out yet, which makes drawing judgement on it pretty moronic at this point.

aerick2
05-05-2004, 06:42 PM
The BOB movie will star Tom Cruise as an American pilot; apparenly in the movie he practically wins the Battle of Britain on his own. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

brasil66
05-05-2004, 06:43 PM
How can you possibly judge the new Tom Cruise BoB movie? Thats kind of ridiculous.
I must completely disagree about Eagle Has Landed. I dont even really consider it a war movie, as such. Its just a great thriller. I used to think Patton was great...but was watching it a few weeks ago...and ...well....its pretty awful..as a war movie. Scott is magnificent as Patton.
Anyone seen Midnight Clear? Very good movie. My favorite all time is Band of Brothers. I've been watching it again of late on DVD...and..well..its just beautifully done.Any John Wayne war movie would have to be at the bottom of my list.

_VR_ScorpionWorm
05-05-2004, 06:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by aerick2:
The BOB movie will star Tom Cruise as an American pilot; apparenly in the movie he practically wins the Battle of Britain on his own. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL, off topic but coudnt help but think of Medal Of Honor when you said "wins the battle on his own". Now that is a one man wins the war game.

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Fennec_P
05-05-2004, 06:47 PM
As long as the Tom Cruise movie doesn't have HA-1112 bf-10nots posing as 109s, I will try to enjoy it.

That plane is sooo ugly. Like a bloated fish with its mouth wide open.

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GuillermoZS
05-05-2004, 07:09 PM
The worst war movie ever: RAMBO... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

What do you think of "Memphis Belle" (1990)
It used to be my favourite movie when I was a child...

heywooood
05-05-2004, 07:18 PM
I absolutely agree with Fennec.. "the 10nots".. hahaha!

Thos p.o.s's make me ill.. worse than seeing Sherman and Patton tanks with Iron crosses on them by FAR! and thats bad enough.

huggy87
05-05-2004, 07:23 PM
How can you not mention iron eagle. I would never join the USAF after that piece of ****. Top Gun rocks by comparison.

heywooood
05-05-2004, 07:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GuillermoZS:
The worst war movie ever: RAMBO... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

What do you think of "Memphis Belle" (1990)
It used to be my favourite movie when I was a child...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Memphis Belle ? ... missed the mark.
And the character played by now I dont remember his name ( his best role was the cross dressing tight-end in "the World According to Garp) made my butt itch.. terrible.

Get 12 o'clock High and never look back.
Dark Blue World is Ok..only a little butt -itchiness in that one.

You were a kid when 'Memphis Belle' came out?
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heywooood
05-05-2004, 07:30 PM
BtW - worst war movie ever?

Pearl Frickin Harbour period exclamtion.

How the HELL do you screw that up?.. all that beautiful attack footage completly ruined to the point of who the hell cares by that sappyA$$ story line.. and phony Baloney Ben Afflict b/s lame - sorry - butt itching cr/\p !

JG6_Oddball
05-05-2004, 07:47 PM
pearl harbor....was it a movie about war...or a outtake from the latest harlquin novel!!!!

I have a shiney new dime for anyone care tell me what movie this is from

big joe: ok kelly you still havent ansred the question...how did you figure 30-40 troops??

kelly:....thats the usual support for 3 tiger tanks

big joe: TIGER'S?!? does oddball know about the tigers!...you bet your sweet *** he dont...he may be nut's but he is not crazy enuff to put shermans up against tiger's....when those things get rolling there blow that whole town to pieces including us.


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GuillermoZS
05-05-2004, 08:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by heywooood:

Get 12 o'clock High and never look back.
Dark Blue World is Ok..only a little butt -itchiness in that one.

You were a kid when 'Memphis Belle' came out?
dammit I'm old http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

12 o´clock high?? I´ve never heard about it...

Well, now I´m 22. When Memphis Belle came out I was arround 8 yo... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

westcoastphil
05-05-2004, 08:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I have a shiney new dime for anyone care tell me what movie this is from

big joe: ok kelly you still havent ansred the question...how did you figure 30-40 troops??

kelly:....thats the usual support for 3 tiger tanks

big joe: TIGER'S?!? does oddball know about the tigers!...you bet your sweet *** he dont...he may be nut's but he is not crazy enuff to put shermans up against tiger's....when those things get rolling there blow that whole town to pieces including us.


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Kelly's Heroes, of course.....Oddball.

Great movie. Saw it when I was 10 yrs. old at the local movie house.

I nominate Midway as one of the worst as well as all the others mentioned.

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altstiff
05-05-2004, 08:57 PM
U-Boat 571.

Seeing as the yanks were not the ones to steal the decoder.

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Urist
05-05-2004, 09:24 PM
First Blood was pretty damn cool....

The second one is a bit of a joke though but still very enjoyable for its camp value...

Rambo 3 is classic... Pure classic.... Especially considering the recent history in that region of the world...

The Russian helos with little american flags on them were a nice touch... I haven't seen any of those in a long while, now I feel like I should go rent them again...

Longjocks
05-05-2004, 09:30 PM
I can't wait for the day where doctors can selectively remove memories from your person. On that day I shall remove any trace of Windtalkers from my head.

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Urist
05-05-2004, 09:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Longjocks:
I can't wait for the day where doctors can selectively remove memories from your person. On that day I shall remove any trace of Windtalkers from my head.

http://users.tpg.com.au/mpdeans/misc/midgesign2.gif _"Thanks for the inspiration to rise above you all."_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never saw that movie, but it can't be as bad as the other Nick Cage war movie I saw...

FIRE BIRDS!!

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05-05-2004, 10:25 PM
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FltLt_HardBall
05-05-2004, 10:30 PM
Yeah, well we won the war and you didn't http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

heywooood
05-05-2004, 11:31 PM
What? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif..

12 o'clock High ! B/W film with Gregory Peck
now available on DVD - awesome - rent or buy it now.. look it up on netflix site.

Firebirds ! nicholas cage ! estupido!!
iron eagle ? muy estupido !
U-boat 571 ? mucho mas estupido!
you hafta put U-571 in the same boat with Pearl harbour flick.. *** itching cr/\p !!

ahhh Das Boot !! awesome - rent it with 12o'clock high - great doublheader.

Dmitri9mm
05-06-2004, 12:27 AM
I know that I'm gonna get banned for this one, but I really think "The longest day" was an exeptionally bad movie. Tried to tell a million stories at once but vnever really told anything exept that we should all be thankfull that the US came and saved the day. In other words: A big load of BS!

On my top five of bad war movies:

2. Pearl Harbor
3. Battle of the Bulge
4. Memphis Belle (cool B-17 interiors though)
5. Where Eagles Dare

My top five of the BEST war movies are (only counting those taking place in WWII):
1. Stalingrad
2. Das Boot
3. Thin Red Line
4. Kellys Heroes (soooo funny)
5. Tuskegee Airmen

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wayno7777
05-06-2004, 01:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by huggy87:
How can you not mention iron eagle. I would never join the USAF after that piece of ****. Top Gun rocks by comparison.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Iron Eagle III had some warbirds in it, the only saving grace of the movie... I picked up the doc. of the Memphis Belle the other day for $3.99. Better than the movie... I always get a kick out of seeing the same Zero dipping into the drink even in European set DF,s. I thought Cross of Iron with James Colburn was excellent...Still love Kelley's Heroes.
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christopher65
05-06-2004, 01:56 AM
"Where Eagles Dare!" has one of the best war movie theme tunes ever!!!!!! Have recreated the ju52 flying over the alps and its cool!!!!

Agree with the Midway choice though-sorta like watching a bad documentry!What about "Battle of the River Plate"?? That was a DULL movie!Or "Captian Correllies thingymagig"??The book was ok but the movie not so.
There was also a movie(cant remember the name) about a pink submarine??or the one with Jack Lemon and Jimmy Cagny as the evil captian with his palm tree??Pretty dull movies.
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Oh....and the one about the StNazzairre raid was a bit iffy as well!!.......
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-HH-Dubbo
05-06-2004, 02:11 AM
[QUOTE]
There was also a movie(cant remember the name) about a pink submarine??[QUOTE]

Operation Petticoat I think it was called. It also spawned a TV series as well.

I still don't get the comments that the Buchon 109s are ugly. If you didn't know what they were supposed to look like, they're no uglier than a P40.
U571 and PH. I felt dirty for paying $$ to see them.
There is a WW2 submarine movie called "Below" that has all the makings of a really awful movie,(a haunted submarine http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif )but is actually quite good, all the more so in spite of the premise. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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konstantinl1
05-06-2004, 02:21 AM
Saving Private Ryan!

OK, it has good action sequences but the film is pure syrup, it's not realistic on any level, the plot and story have more holes than a teabag, it's historically inaccurate and has that all-so-common skewed American view of history.

Considering there was a great deal was made about it being a 'realistic' portrail of the Normandy landings, I think it is a very poor movie indeed.

I especially like (or dislike!) who they spend much of the movie in a tight little bunch chatting to one an other in loud voices as they march through the bocage! And then one of them says "don't salute the Captain, you'll make him a target for German snipers" maybe, but since the Captain has his rank clearly marked on his helmet in white bars the snipers could probably work that out for themselves!

Antony_B
05-06-2004, 02:38 AM
Bad films:
The Patriot (I'm so sick of seeing the British stereotyped as incompetent buffoons!)
The Longest Day (sorry, I've tried but I just find it tiresome and unconvincing)
So many others but I've simply purged them from my memory http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Pearl Harbor was utter tripe but did at least have some nice shots of Spitfires and B-25s http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Good films:
Band of Brothers
Waterloo (ok it's not entirely accurate but Rod Steiger's Napoleon is superb and the film is a real visual spectacle)
A Bridge Too Far
Gettysburg (not great acting but like Waterloo puts you in the middle of a great battle)

I actually thought U-571 was an entertaining film if you ignore the controvery surrounding it. Let's not prejudge Cruise's BoB film and certainly not get into American bashing because of the theme of the film - it's not even out yet and might not be that bad!!

[This message was edited by Antony_B on Thu May 06 2004 at 02:36 AM.]

TC_Stele
05-06-2004, 02:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I know that I'm gonna get banned for this one, but I really think "The longest day" was an exeptionally bad movie. Tried to tell a million stories at once but vnever really told anything exept that we should all be thankfull that the US came and saved the day. In other words: A big load of BS!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

29,000 US soldiers were picked up lifeless from the beach. One hundred six thousand men were in pain from their wounds.

I was thankful of our troops and my uncles who participated in it. I enjoyed the movie...

ASM 1
05-06-2004, 02:52 AM
Pearl Harbour

U-571

And any other films where history is "Changed" to suit a particular audience.....

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Dmitri9mm
05-06-2004, 03:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TC_Stele:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I know that I'm gonna get banned for this one, but I really think "The longest day" was an exeptionally bad movie. Tried to tell a million stories at once but vnever really told anything exept that we should all be thankfull that the US came and saved the day. In other words: A big load of BS!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

29,000 US soldiers were picked up lifeless from the beach. One hundred six thousand men were in pain from their wounds.

I was thankful of our troops and my uncles who participated in it. I enjoyed the movie...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't mean to be disrespectful at all. All soldiers who fought fascism in WWII desserves credit. But the propaganda industry of US (and other western countries) really put a great effort into altering history to serve their political causes, and that's what's making me wanna puke!
Salute to all who fought and died defending the world from fascism!

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TC_Stele
05-06-2004, 03:30 AM
What exactly bothered you about The Longest Day?

As for war movies in general I don't think its a big surprise that a lot of US movies have a perspective from the US military. Sales are not going to be as big as if they were about say the South African army. I'm sure that applies to other nations too. It's probably more noticable with the US because Hollywood has been far more successful with its movie industry.

I think another thing we should always keep in mind is that these are not documentaries. They're stories with a certain point of view using the prism that will be most beneficial for a successful movie. With a lot of war movies an interesting plot, action, and maybe some good music is needed to sell a movie to the audience.

Sure I cringed when I saw that those weren't real Panzers in Patton but thats show business for you.

We should have two things in mind. We can be entertained and we can learn.

Bewolf
05-06-2004, 03:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Antony_B:
Bad films:
The Patriot (I'm so sick of seeing the British stereotyped as incompetent buffoons!)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then you should stop watching war films all together. Nearly every single war film i know, with only a few expections, portais german or japenese soldiers as "incompetent buffoons!" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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christopher65
05-06-2004, 03:36 AM
What about "The Bridge at Remagen"? The guy from UNCLE was in it,cant remember his name? A bit dodgy.
My favourite war movie is "Alexander the Great" with Richard Burton.A masterpiece. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gifThere are lots of good movies out there,"ice cold in alex"etc but the truly awful ones are just as common.Usually anything with JOHN WAYNE in it is ****.If anybody likes his war movies then please try to defend them-bet you cant!
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WOLFMondo
05-06-2004, 03:49 AM
Worst = U571

Im not gonna harp on about rewritting history but that takes the crown for it.

If I had to pick a few best ones it would be Das Boot or Kelly's hero's. To be blunt though all the best war movies were made in the 50's, 60's and 70's. Theres only been a few in the last 20 years that are any good.

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Antony_B
05-06-2004, 04:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bewolf:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Antony_B:
Bad films:
The Patriot (I'm so sick of seeing the British stereotyped as incompetent buffoons!)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then you should stop watching war films all together. Nearly every single war film i know, with only a few expections, portais german or japenese soldiers as "incompetent buffoons!" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So to say..welcome to the club http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's so true, especially of the older WWII films. I guess it just pushes your buttons more when it's your own country being mocked. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

LW_lcarp
05-06-2004, 05:14 AM
Lots of bad movies some posted here are past bad and others id have to say arent bad at all.

I dont remember seeing and Brits in Saving Private Ryan so it amazes me why the brits have there undies in a twist over it

Fehler
05-06-2004, 05:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by konstantinl1:
Saving Private Ryan!

OK, it has good action sequences but the film is pure syrup, it's not realistic on any level, the plot and story have more holes than a teabag, it's historically inaccurate and has that all-so-common skewed American view of history.

Considering there was a great deal was made about it being a 'realistic' portrail of the Normandy landings, I think it is a very poor movie indeed.

I especially like (or dislike!) who they spend much of the movie in a tight little bunch chatting to one an other in loud voices as they march through the bocage! And then one of them says "don't salute the Captain, you'll make him a target for German snipers" maybe, but since the Captain has his rank clearly marked on his helmet in white bars the snipers could probably work that out for themselves!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Get a grip. As so many movies, Saving Private Ryan is a amalgam of several stories in one. You simply cant make a film about the Normandy landing in a two hour movie because the landing took more than two hours. And as an American perspective, well Omaha beach was an American landing zone so should they have had Brits there to comfort you?

I talked with a guy once that was really there, in the first waves of attacks. He said he had to leave the movie within the first few minutes and go sit in the lobby to collect himself. He said the cinematography was so real it envoked very vivid images from his experiences there. He simply could not watch it. Now, if you were there and can shed some alternative light on it, I would be glad to hear it.

Normandy, the US Army, and WWII were really just the backdrop for the movie. It was not a documentary, it was a story about the needs of the one "Sometimes" outweighing the needs of the many. The cast was splendid, the film making wonderful, and the historical references correct. Yes, there were a few details that were less then accurate, but I doubt you can show me a movie that is 100% accurate from first frame to last.

The whole point to movie making is not lesson teaching, unless you are making a documentary. The whole point is entertainment. You have to have a subject that is captivating, and a plot that has drama.

Saving Private Ryan has all of this, and more. I challenge you to bring up any specific aspect of the movie that does not serve a purpose, taken in context. The Sullivan Act, the Normandy invasion as seen through the eyes of the assaulting US Army troops initially landing on Omaha beach, the FUBAR orders from non-frontline officers sitting in their comfy offices, the inability for the front line grunt to fail to see the reasoning for such orders. Come on, how could not like the movie based on bars on a helmet? If your expectations are that high, then you have probably not ever seen a war movie that you liked.

I truly think Saving Private Ryan was only surpassed by Band of Brothers. (Which was much more historically accurate, I agree) Saving Private Ryan gave you a two hour slice of what men experienced in combat in the early days of the invasion of "Fortress Europe." It was a collage of needed information for those totally unfamiliar with the events that lead up to the invasion. It had great sequences and events that were meant to envoke emotional responces from the viewer. It excelled in all areas of intent.

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buffscrum
05-06-2004, 06:09 AM
An Italian movie about the battle of Alamein. It came out in the early 70's. Was it ever painful to watch. It had M-113 APC's in it. It was dubbed into English and the dubbing was terrible. I get pains just thinking about it.

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BlitzPig_Ritter
05-06-2004, 07:32 AM
I'm not reading through this entire thread, so I'm sure the movies I list are already mentioned.

Anzio- The movie had nothing historical about it at all

Red Badge of Courage- The book was awful and so was the movie

There are many more extremely bad ones, but these are the two worst in my opinion.

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Cpt.Confidence
05-06-2004, 07:59 AM
1998's straight to video "Iron Thunder" with Richard Hatch, you know the guy from "Battlestar Galactica". I can't even describe the pain this movie caused my brain.

Breeze147
05-06-2004, 08:08 AM
How can you guys leave out the absolute worst war movie ever made, "The Big Red One", starring Lee Marvin and Mark Hamill? Good thing "Star Wars" came along for Hamill, a definite career saver for him. Marvin totally embarassed himself in this sham of a film that was supposedly an historic record of the 1st Infantry Division. This movie is so bad, it even makes "Battle Of The Bulge" look good.

I can never understand the hatred for "Saving Private Ryan". It's a drama and it's very well done. It's just an excellent story about the frustrations of a group of men assigned to do a rotten job that none of them wants to do. It centers around the Tom Hanks character, a high school teacher from Pennsylvania, and his platoon, who have been through North Africa, Sicily, Italy and somehow managed to survive the D-Day landing and fought their way off the beach. They get handed a terrible assignment: Go find one particular private somewhere in Normandy and bring him back. They hate it. Why save Ryan? Who in the hell is worried about saving us? It's a great story about the conflicts within the squad and the interactions of the characters. It shows the fallibility in all of us. Hanks' foolish decision to assault the radar station; the men joking while going through the dog tags of the dead paratroopers; Hanks' and the Sergeant in the church, reminiscing about the soldiers that have died along the way; the sheer terror and fear felt by the geeky private who just couldn't work up the courage to get up those stairs with the ammo resupply. And finally, the pure devotion to duty of Private Ryan himself, who refuses to leave his post and his buddies until their mission is over. It's drama. It's a story. If someone had the movie ruined for them because a German was wearing an inaccurate shoulder patch or a particular tank was never in that part of Normandy or the markings of the P-51's were wrong, I feel very sorry for you because you missed out on a portrayal of the frustrations, foolishness and stupidity of war that is felt by the individual dogface (or tommy, or canuck, or gerry, or ivan, etc.) You missed how it is, that in the end, it's just the devotion to each other that makes a group of men stand and fight against insurmountable odds, no matter which side they were on and no matter what the result. This movie could have been made about any of the armies that participated. It was the American point of view for this particular film. Here's a challenge to the film industries of the other nations to make a film about their point of view that is up the the standard of Saving Private Ryan.

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Afreaka
05-06-2004, 08:55 AM
Worst movies:
Red Dawn. http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0087985/
White Ghost(vietnam flick) http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0096436/ http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

Good movies:
Iron Cross http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0074695/
Apocalypse Now http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0078788/
Ran
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Das Boot; Kellys Heroes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

Rex Kramer(Airplane, 1980): Do you know what it's like to fall in the mud and get kicked... in the head... with an iron boot? Of course you don't, no one does. It never happens. It's a dumb question... skip it.

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DONB3397
05-06-2004, 09:08 AM
Worst: Pearl Harbor
Best: 12 O'Clock High
Honorable Mention: Saving Pvt. Ryan

Question: Does the average writer in the film industry know anything about the military? Does he/she care about military history?

Maybe "Saving Pvt. Ryan" was well done because the writers researched and cared about their subject. "Band of Brothers," based on Ambrose's fair book, was pretty good for the same reason. Same writers and studio, BTW.

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Shr3dZ
05-06-2004, 09:14 AM
quote: I can't wait for the day where doctors can selectively remove memories from your person. On that day I shall remove any trace of Windtalkers from my head.

Omg amen brother, AMEN!
This is the only move beside one other that I concidered walking out of...

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Franzen
05-06-2004, 11:46 AM
Sadly enough, there are too many to mention. But having watched it 2 days ago, "Battle of the Bulge" comes to mind. All I can say is "there was plenty of fuel for ignorance, not for tanks" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

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BlitzPig_Ritter
05-06-2004, 01:42 PM
Saving Private Ryan was one of the most realistic looking war movies ever. A must have for WWII buffs IMO.

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tttiger
05-06-2004, 02:51 PM
I was gonna keep my yap shut for a change http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif but when Ritter slammed "Red Badge of Courage" I had to say something.

I assume you are talking about the version directed by John Houston and starring Audie Murphy (the only really great movie Murphy ever made -- "To Hell and Back" was just an average 50s war movie and not nearly as good as Murphy's book -- and what a brilliant piece of casting!).

Granted it was not as good as originally intended. The studio cut out some scenes (especially one part with Royal Dano) after Houston went off to Africa to film "The African Queen." He later tried to buy the movie from the studio to restore those scenes.

They were cut by the studio because they were so grim and because the film was released during the Korean War.

What is left, the part we get to see, is still very powerful, though. It's not on TV very often but well worth watching when it is.

And the book, of course, ranks as classic literature.

I would say the battle scenes are right up there with Private Ryan (also excellent) for realism.

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Monty_Thrud
05-06-2004, 03:27 PM
Lord of the Rings...where were the bloody Spitfires?

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05-06-2004, 03:46 PM
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"Achtung Nazgul!" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Doesn't have the same ring to it does it? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Dmitri9mm
05-06-2004, 03:48 PM
HAHAHA http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Great one!

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05-06-2004, 03:57 PM
had to be quick as I wanted in underneath Monty's post http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif had the desired effect http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I want a pet gandalf though - never mind yer 108's or 103's or even 37mm http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif that Staff of his rocks! esp when he gets p!ssed off http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

Back on topic - oh yeah cr@p movies - Night of the Fox starring a fat and middle/old age George Peppard as an Under Cover SOE Agent. I'm sorry, having read the Jack Higgins Book......

its a shame as I like(d) GP as an actor - Blue Max was cool... And I grew up on the A-Team http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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EPP-Gibbs
05-06-2004, 04:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by heywooood:
BtW - worst war movie ever?

Pearl Frickin Harbour period exclamtion.

How the HELL do you screw that up?.. all that beautiful attack footage completly ruined to the point of who the hell cares by that sappyA$$ story line.. and phony Baloney Ben

Afflict b/s lame - sorry - butt itching cr/\p !<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

and the ridiculous dogfight scenes, planes following each other through evasive manoeuvers apparently about 6 feet (2 metres) apart.

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Maj_Death
05-06-2004, 06:45 PM
Anything with Tom Cruise in it. All his war movies have him trying to nail some blonde, his best friend dies and then he wins the war all by himself. This is how people can judge his new BoB film before it is even out, we all know exactly how the story will go.

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darkhorizon11
05-06-2004, 07:30 PM
Typical ungrateful response:

"I know that I'm gonna get banned for this one, but I really think "The longest day" was an exeptionally bad movie. Tried to tell a million stories at once but vnever really told anything exept that we should all be thankfull that the US came and saved the day. In other words: A big load of BS!"

Ohhhh righttttt and I'm sure Britain was about to open up a can of whoop @ss and beat Germany until we got involved right?
I don't think I even need to use any ammo to respond to this...

Back to the forum topic:
Some of the Worst:
-Pearl Harbor (CG DOESN'T MAKE A MOVIE)
-Windtalkers
-Enemy at the Gates (Puts the U in SUCK)

Some of the Best
-The Patriot (it shows the full effect of war on people and their families)
-Saving Private Ryan (needs to explanation)
-Top Gun (Don't gimme that its not realistic ****... one of the most badass movies around it made me want to be a pilot)
-Das Boot - tells it the way it was
-Memphis Bell - very realistic

Theres many others of course on both sides, I do agree though that Tom Cruise in a battle of britain movie is pretty lame.

MAstaKFC
05-06-2004, 08:41 PM
I thought Enemy at the Gates was a pretty good movie,minus the brit accents and totally inapproporiate sex scene. Sure, it didn't have the feel of a big budget hollywood movie, but the tension was there.
Besides, who can resist chuckling when the fat officer on the mike screams 'When the first man dies, the second man picks up the rifle and fires!' http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif
Anything beats Pearl Harbour. I can't stand Ben Affleck.

TotenTanzen
05-06-2004, 09:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by darkhorizon11:


Some of the Best

-Memphis Bell - very realistic

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Oh no....sorry but I've got to say it blew chunks. It's suppose to be the last flight of the Belle, she didn't come back like that on her last mission. Also they tried to show just too much stuff happening to one plane in one mission.

peashooter03
05-06-2004, 10:05 PM
Lest we forget: "Desperate Journey", with Errol Flynn and Ronald Reagan. A typical Hollywood counterpart to the quite reasonable British film, "One of our Aircraft is Missing". "Bomardier" is so bad it would be funny if it didn't make you sick first. I like to sing the Bombardier Fight Song at akward moments. The movie would have us to believe it was sung quite often by everyone at Bombing School. "Ariel Gunner" is pretty much the same, but without the inspiring songs. A few background shots of now rare aircraft and equipement make them of some interest. Maybe wartime movies should get a special exemption from this poll, the list could grow quite long.

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05-07-2004, 04:03 AM
Did someone say TopGun Sucks? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

DeerHunterUK
05-07-2004, 05:43 AM
The Patriot is up near the top of my list. Yes Mel, I'm sure the rebels had a 30 minute discussion about the morality of executing prisoners too. Anyone else shout at the screen, "IT'S TOO LATE MEL HE'S DEAD!!!" ? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Us Brits made some pretty ropey films during the 60's & early 70's. The 1 sticks out in my mind was Mosquito Squadron it starred David McCallum (my Mum had a crush on him when she was a schoolgirl) as an RAF pilot. I always avoid it when it's shown on TV, cheesey effects and an even cheesier love plot that'd put Pearl Harbor to shame!

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buffscrum
05-07-2004, 06:21 AM
Another very moldy oldie is International Squadron. I think it starred Ronald Reagan. Even though it came out at the beginning of WW2, and the technology was very limited, I swear you could see the wires the planes were hung from during the flight scenes.

beepboop
05-07-2004, 07:23 AM
The most painful war movies are those which seek to show how the US, and only the US, won the war. This invariably involves showing the British as inert morons, too concerned about class privilege to do anything innovative, whilst go-get-em American GI's show them how it ought to be done. Fortunatly for the Russians, Hollywood seldom mentions them. Probably wise, since the average American movie-goer is most likely a little unsure of where Russia even is, let alone whether they took part in WWII.

So, courtesey U-571, we now know how brave Americans captured the Enigma machine. We have been enlightened by Band of Brothers about British tankers who won't shoot through buildings because they are "private property, old boy". Saving Private Ryan let us see that D-Day was an entirely American affair, involving no other troops whatsoever. And, soon, Tom Cruise will be pointing out how the Battle of Britain was won by the 9 American pilots who took part.

Now, i'm sure that this will prompt a storm of "we came and saved your asses, and lots of us died". Yes, yes, your help was handy. But you did it to further your own great power ambitions, not out of any love for Britain. Furthermore, we saved YOUR asses by fighting for years, alone, against the Germans. Had England made terms with the Third Reich, I rather doubt that American superpower would have come to pass.

Although, given the rate at which the USA is losing control of a third-world dust hole at the moment, i sometimes wonder if such power ever amounted to much more than a paper tiger. If only real life could be more like the movies, i'm sure that Tom Cruise would have no difficulties sorting things out...

Breeze147
05-07-2004, 07:32 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/1241.gif Well, old chap, I guess if I were in your shoes and found out that your women preferred banging GI's to you stuffed shirts, I would be upset, too. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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Hoarmurath
05-07-2004, 09:16 AM
for me, the worst war movie ever was "flying tigers" with john wayne... awful...

What is most interesting in this thread is that a majority of "worst war movies" mentionned are "Made in America". I have seen very, very bad movies from Italy, England, France, USSR, but USA beat them all with the number of such bad movies...

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Mikester2112
05-07-2004, 10:09 AM
Well....

Saving Private Ryan was based in the sector that the Americans fought in. I don't recall seeing U.S. soldiers storming Gold, Juno, or Sword beaches being depicted in this movie. Although I've seen the movie several times I always seem to miss the part where it states that we single handedly won the battle of Normandy. It was a movie about U.S. soldiers in the area where U.S. soldiers historically fought. I'd love to see a movie focused on the British sector as well, especially since some of the fiercest fighting of the campaign took place there.

"Band of Brothers" was based on first hand accounts of soldiers. If it's in there, it happened. This was not a romanticized war movie, it's a re-telling of actual events. These guys were true heroes and I think it's incredibly disrespectful to disparage them and insinuate that they're not being truthful.

U-571 was fiction set in WW2 very loosely based on actual events, I don't believe it was ever advertised as anything different. This isn't even a serious attempt at real war movie so why bother with it?

meow....

huggy87
05-07-2004, 10:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maj_Death:
Anything with Tom Cruise in it. All his war movies have him trying to nail some blonde, his best friend dies and then he wins the war all by himself. This is how people can judge his new BoB film before it is even out, we all know exactly how the story will go.

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Well... actually the person he is portraying dies. So that doesn't really fit your mold.

huggy87
05-07-2004, 10:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by beepboop:

Although, given the rate at which the USA is losing control of a third-world dust hole at the moment, i sometimes wonder if such power ever amounted to much more than a paper tiger. If only real life could be more like the movies, i'm sure that Tom Cruise would have no difficulties sorting things out...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Uh... do I really need to point out that Britain was just as for going into Iraq as the U.S. They currently have 7500 troops there and Mr. Blair wants to send more. Pick up a newspaper.

I'll get off of my current events soapbox now.

Franzen
05-07-2004, 10:27 AM
Movies, whether accurate or not, that make people feel good at the end make money. Therefor movie-makers target the mass market. For the audience that gets a good feeling from aquiring knowledge and understanding, there are documentaries.

I enjoy very few movies. Even as a younster I watched a sci-fi movie where as a human metamorphed into a monster in about 30 secs. It bothered me cause I figure that the complex chemical reactions needed for such a change would have created an immense amount of heat. I somehow was expecting the small room to burst into flames. I was disappointed.

I wish I could enjoy movies as others do. I don't blame those that enjoy bad movies, I envy them.

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Capt._Tenneal
05-07-2004, 10:54 AM
Some great choices already listed.

MHO on the Brits and SAVING PRIVATE RYAN : Part of the "distaste" could be because of that one line spoken by Hanks or Ted Danson about Monty and their evaluation of his command capabilities.

As far as the Tom Cruise BoB movie, it is not the first "Yank in the RAF" movie. IIRC 633 SQUADRON starred Cliff Robertson as an Eagle sqaudron pilot. Or was he RCAF ? As for Brit actors portraying Americans, BLACKHAWK DOWN has Ewan McGregor and Orlando Bloom playing Rangers and even Eric Bana (an Aussie) playing a Delta Force member.

Baltar
05-07-2004, 10:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>So, courtesey U-571, we now know how brave Americans captured the Enigma machine. We have been enlightened by Band of Brothers about British tankers who won't shoot through buildings because they are "private property, old boy". Saving Private Ryan let us see that D-Day was an entirely American affair, involving no other troops whatsoever. And, soon, Tom Cruise will be pointing out how the Battle of Britain was won by the 9 American pilots who took part.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just want to point out here that the scene you described in Band of Brothers has at least some grounding in fact. The real Major Winters recounted one incident with a British tank commander that was clearly incompetent. In the book and in a taped interview he describes finding this commander in a house with two women and asking Winters 'Are my tanks still outside?' I don't think BoB Brit bashed in any way; it tried, fairly faithfully, to recreate the experiences of Easy Company based on the testimony of survivors.

darkhorizon11
05-07-2004, 03:51 PM
Okay, now that I think about it Top Gun doesn't count since well.... THERES NO WAR GOING ON! Its just an aerial skirmish with the "bad guys".

As for all the Anti-American sentiment... Guess what?! The reason why Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers are just about the Americans in the war is because they are made by Americans! Geez make your own movies about your own heros. No one is stopping you! Theres plenty of movies like Battle of Britain, about the triumphs of the British.

-As for U-571, the story is a fabrication, however if I remember right two enigma machines were captured by the USN and three? were captured by the Royal Navy and the Germans changed the code each time after the machine was nabbed. Handshakes go to both sides there. Not to mention in the final credits its lists all the enigmas that were taken and by whom.

I really appreciate that beepboop I was hoping you could educate me about the location of Russia. We Americans really need to be educated by bedwetters like yourself when we get out of hand every now and then. Man ignorance is bliss. Its not like American tipped the scales in Europe or anything. I mean you guys have won all those wars without our help in the past 200 years.

Oh and for the movie thing I must say NAVY SEALS is another great flick. The scary thing is that everyone thinks its hollywoodized. But my buddies uncle is a Seal and from the pictures he showed me they definitely captured the crazyness factor well.

Sorry if this has gotten out of hand but I can't stand by and watch my country get bashed with out making any responses.

Ki_Rin
05-07-2004, 04:12 PM
Silly thread, really, given 3/4 of ALL military/war films sUck donkey dicks in the first place, due to "history of convinence", incorrect hardware/eq, bad sfx, acting, directing or script/screenplay.
Better would be to ask which films DONT suck!
In fact, reading this thread made me remember so many of those GODAWFUL movies it took so long to forget!
Anything with Tom Cruise will suck, I wont see the Last Samurai, I would have prefered Herve Villache in it, bet he would do a better job, hehe
Onr thing I can say for an outstanding war movie is the original (Ithink circa1924)
"All Quiet on the Western Front"...in B&W, but a masterpiece