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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 02:02 PM
Hi,

Yesterday evening i took the me262 online again after
the 1.11 patch. I can tell you it is the beast again.

People who complains about this plain are whiners.

Its great and its real. Its fast, has a good firepower and
it isn`t so turnable. A beast to take out bombers
and ground targets.

XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 02:02 PM
Hi,

Yesterday evening i took the me262 online again after
the 1.11 patch. I can tell you it is the beast again.

People who complains about this plain are whiners.

Its great and its real. Its fast, has a good firepower and
it isn`t so turnable. A beast to take out bombers
and ground targets.

XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 02:07 PM
it's great offline too (not bad against fighters if you're patient). hope they leave it alone!


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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 02:08 PM
I totally agree with you!

The only three issues with the plane are:

1. Inability to restart engines in the air.
2. Inability to put out engine fires with dives, fuel shut off, etc.
3. Bad high altitude model.

Otherwise, I think it has a great FM, and is one mean bird to reckon with, once you get it going fast. The 2x or 4x 108's rip things to shreds!

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 02:15 PM
yep agree about high alt FM, but that's a problem with the game as a whole as well, so not too worried by that. Keep to 3-5000m and it still rocks!

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 04:30 PM
Can the La-7 still do a 180 and run down the Me-262? (you know, like it could in real life?/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif )

I haven't bothered to download anymore freaking patches lately.


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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 05:17 PM
FW190fan wrote:
- Can the La-7 still do a 180 and run down the Me-262?
- (you know, like it could in real life?

I don't know but it sure can climb. Online I was going 800+km/h and a trailing La-7 was going 600+km/h (I assume) as we were flying level for a bit without any dive. I slowly pulled straight into the vertical leaving power at 100% and came over when I lost almost all of my speed, preparing to dive down on him. Imagine my surprise when I saw tracers going by and then saw the Lavochkin pass me. He climbed higher pulling up at about 600km/h than I did at 800+km/h, and I can't believe that this is correct. Maybe I am wrong, but it doesn't seem right. This is the only plane that can do this from my experience, and I am certain the La's climb rate is too high (I think/hope Oleg is aware of this).

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 07:36 PM
I hope they make the me262s flight more realistic, they need to add some serious stick pressure on the elvator while doing 900+kmph, Right now it can turn as sharp as an L which is ridiculous, when flying at those speeds the planes stability should sway back and forth, and the 4 mk 108 cannons should have some recoil since they didnt all fire at the same time right now its definatly a arcaders dream plane and hope they fix it along with the b1 and many of the other arcadish fms

190 mig3u lagg3 yak la

The engine off without being able to restart needs to eb fixed and the glide ratio is pretty silly but so are alot of the planes in 1.11.

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 07:52 PM
I love flying the 262, but the main isues i think need to be fixed are:

- Pilot sits WAYYYYYY to high. The Revi sight was mounted directly across from the pilot and should relect that...instead you have to lean forward and down...not realistic

-i would like to see the EZ42 Gyroscopic Gunsight that reflected the Crosshair right onto the windshield...it also automatically adjusted for speed and acceleration...

- the control pressure was quite high on the 262...like to see that too...

Other than that, it's a great plane...

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 08:10 PM
I agree the stick pressure is too light. There seems to be recoil of cannons by sight/view, but not so much in bullet/round path as they stay fairly straight.

I hope they fix the engine restart, but more importantly I hope they make it possible to put out fires by shutting down engine without them continually re-igniting until the engine explodes. The high altitude FM is certainly off as well.

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 10:45 PM
I'd rather it stayed as is now than become like it did in 1.1b suppose it depends how much whining from the reds oleg gets, another worrying thing i havent heard anything about oleg changing la7 in next patch only 109's etc if la7 stays same any changes to other planes will be waste of time...



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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 11:49 PM
shoot, I flew Me-262's a whole lot in 1.1b, and I did quite well against fighters in them. The trick is to climb to alititude, and then sneak up on your pary. You see, when you are at 6000m, and there is a furball of Yaks and La's at 1500m, they are all easy targets. ESPECIALLY with 4 mk 108s. zoom boom zoom! I have never had a La-7 outrun me. All you gotta do is put it into a shallow dive until you hit 900 km/h or so, and and then slowly climb back to altitude, or, to get him off, fly directly over a furball. He will probably engage the furball and break off from you, leaving you free to wipe the floor with him.

XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 12:02 AM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- I hope they make the me262s flight more realistic,
- they need to add some serious stick pressure on the
- elvator while doing 900+kmph, Right now it can turn
- as sharp as an L which is ridiculous, when flying at
- those speeds the planes stability should sway back
- and forth, and the 4 mk 108 cannons should have some
- recoil since they didnt all fire at the same time
- right now its definatly a arcaders dream plane and
- hope they fix it along with the b1 and many of the
- other arcadish fms
-
- 190 mig3u lagg3 yak la

So you're missing what...the Hurricane, the I-15 and I-16 and the Bf 109 as other major fighter versions. So you're saying that pretty much half of the games fighters are "arcadish"?

Interesting.

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XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 12:12 AM
Agreed, johno_UK. If they don't fix the La-7 all of the other changes won't mean as much.

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XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 12:25 AM
d00d have you compared the 262 in 1.0 to 1.11 ???

the 262 SUCKS now

its climb is rediculous

its power is horrible

its high ALT performance is sooo wrong

for the 262 go try FB v1.0 , it was closer to the truth there

the russian crowd complains about german plane performance & gets listen too

she was a beast IRL & FB v1.0 reflected that

XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 12:50 AM
VW-IceFire yeah definatly half the planes are arcadish and dont bleed E and can perform some out of the world manuevers.

I remember 1.0 very well, you turn off the 262s individual engine the plane sunk like a brick and was unflyable with one engine. the climb was descent in 1.0 but still the elevator had no stick pressure even at 1000kmph, the cannons had descent recoil. If oleg ever seen me262 video "not stormbirds ge engines video" but real wwii footage he would realize how much thrust the 262s had just by watching them taxi and take off and they are using 50% 75% trottle.

I think they need to increase the thrust make the engines individually restart in mid flight, and be able to fly on one engine if one catchs fire and climb to high alt where the fire is put out from lack of oxygen or a steep dive puts out the flame and individual engine is turned off and wont catch fire again. They also need to add recoil butslightly less then in 1.0 and add some serious stick pressure to the control surfaces at high speed sway and unstableness like the early jets had.

Hopefully they will get things right in thier next sim but FB needs some major flight model, damage model, smgs strenght, glide slope, energy bleed, simulated stick pressures and energy management fixes.




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XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 02:40 AM
Don't dare to call me a whiner if I disagree and say I think the 262 energy is toned down waaaay too much from FB 1.0!!
In real life, at least according to history I've read, the most successful pilots used it ( at high altitude ) to vertically dive into the bomber formations, then zoom climb again. As it is now, it has no vertical abilities at low altitude. let alone high altitude. In the first version the ability to fight in the vertical in the 262 was second to nothing, and was more like historical accounts of it's ability. Now, it poops out at the slightest zoom climb, with LAs, Yaks and even P-39s right on it's tail. This all happened because of the red whiners not wanting to believe the 262 could actually fly like that, when in fact it did fly like that. Oleg listened to these Red whiners, who want all Germans planes castrated to suit their desires. Oleg really listens to the red whiners, especialy in the Russian Forums. Tragically I might add. Now the 262 still has capability, but only in pure speed, but it was also an energy fighter supreme, without peer. The original FB 262 zoom ability may have been over-modelled a tiny bit, but not much. Now it's way too under-modelled.

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XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 03:03 AM
it definatly needs to be fixed among so many other planes. if im in a server with the 262 and am able to get to 6000m and 75% fuel I get around 10-11 kills on all props very easily since you have the movement at 900kmph to counter any avoid move a fighter tries and the 108s pinpoint accuracy. calling the plane itself undermodeled isnt true in my opinion.

The only thing below what it should be is the climbrate and everything else is over modeled to me anyways.

I just hope they increase the thrust and fix the climbrate a bit, fix the engine control so we can fly on 1 engine instead of halfa$$ fixing it by not letting us be able to turn off one engine in flight. Fix its glide ability add some recoil to the cannons, have a slight sway in the control surfaces and add some serious stick pressure.

I have this book about the 262 called "when the swallow fought the eagle" about the 262 attacks on flying fortress's it talks about the 262 only firing when diving because of the recoil of the cannons, it also has names of all the 262 pilots who died in testing and in flight and a bunch of stories from different pilots.

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XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 03:34 AM
Dear Leadspitter

What is the ISBM # for the book "When the Swallow Fought the Eagle" I wish to read it and cannot find it with only the title.

TIA

P.S. My info differs from what you quoted and I wish to learn as much as I can from an many different sources as I can find.