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BlackHawkLeader
02-22-2004, 01:09 PM
As you know, we are usualy not restricted by our location on the globe when it comes to Online Multiplayer Action in Sims like IL-2Fb.

We also have the advantage of being able to fight each other in Multiplayer Combat in more complex and AI active scenarios Online because of the amount of in comming and out going information our connections can handle.

Are you tired of restricting the potential of your Online Connectivity globaly because of Dial up users ?

There are plenty of Cable Users Globaly, its a big World out there after all.

Are you interested in being part of a Broad Band Cable only group for Online Multiplay in IL-2FB

If so then post here to show your interest!

Cheers

BlackHawkLeader
02-22-2004, 01:09 PM
As you know, we are usualy not restricted by our location on the globe when it comes to Online Multiplayer Action in Sims like IL-2Fb.

We also have the advantage of being able to fight each other in Multiplayer Combat in more complex and AI active scenarios Online because of the amount of in comming and out going information our connections can handle.

Are you tired of restricting the potential of your Online Connectivity globaly because of Dial up users ?

There are plenty of Cable Users Globaly, its a big World out there after all.

Are you interested in being part of a Broad Band Cable only group for Online Multiplay in IL-2FB

If so then post here to show your interest!

Cheers

02-22-2004, 01:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlackHawkLeader:
As you know, we are usualy not restricted by our location on the globe when it comes to Online Multiplayer Action in Sims like IL-2Fb.

We also have the advantage of being able to fight each other in Multiplayer Combat in more complex and AI active scenarios Online because of the amount of in comming and out going information our connections can handle.

Are you tired of restricting the potential of your Online Connectivity globaly because of Dial up users ?

There are plenty of Cable Users Globaly, its a big World out there after all.

Are you interested in being part of a Broad Band Cable only group for Online Multiplay in IL-2FB

If so then post here to show your interest!

Cheers<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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crazyivan1970
02-22-2004, 01:29 PM
No i am not tired and I think that there are many talented folks out there who`s restricted by dial up connections but regardless of that i enjoy their company and always feel sorry for them when they get autokicked.

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blabla0001
02-22-2004, 01:46 PM
Cable users?

Pffft, cable users with their fluxuating transfer rates and slow @$$ uploads, not to mention the more users in one area the less room on the band for each of them.

Only ADSL users are allowed in our Squadron or on our server.

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See how stupid that sounds BlackHawkLeader?

Not everybody has access to broadband because it's not available or they can't afford it or maybe another reason.

SeaFireLIV
02-22-2004, 02:02 PM
I think it`s pretty selfish.
"I have cable, let`s all us cable band together and oust all the 56kers!"

I don`t agree.

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02-22-2004, 02:07 PM
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JG27_Grumpy
02-22-2004, 02:18 PM
As a former dial up user, I have to say that your on your own with this one bud. I'll fly with anyone regardless of connection type.

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carguy_
02-22-2004, 02:21 PM
I`d concur in IL2 days.FB has a nic code so dial up users can join anyday.

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Welshman_PF
02-22-2004, 02:29 PM
sounds like one of the guys that put 100 ping limits on games like nascar etc

VW-IceFire
02-22-2004, 02:39 PM
Doesn't matter to me if they are connecting via 56k, Cable, ADSL, or a 300 Baud modem...as long as the game runs smoothly (hehe maybe not the 300 Baud modem) and its enjoyable for all it doesn't matter to me.

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J30Vader
02-22-2004, 02:55 PM
Only dial up allowed on my server http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

p1ngu666
02-22-2004, 03:37 PM
well, theres a reason if u want BIG games, 20ppl plus etc, otherwise u dont need to exclude ppl http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
i was a 56ker http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Scragbat
02-22-2004, 03:47 PM
I was a 56k'er once, not that long ago.
Very welcome on my ADSL server http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Although I can only host for 8-10 peeps...

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ZOPHOD_pc
02-22-2004, 04:41 PM
Cable is nice, no argument there, but it's not avaiable every were. There are still communitys in the U.S. without cable access.

DSL is nice too, but it's still the same old copper wire.

Dial up for allot of people is their only option.

I have a better idea, lets ban together in a group a get rid of all the meanies. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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ElAurens
02-22-2004, 05:42 PM
I think a better idea is to simply limit the number of players on a server.

The vast majority of hosts, especially those that allegedly have T1 lines allow far too many slots on their games. You can always tell when the number of players exceeds the host's ability to handle them properly. The first clue is the lack of sound for bullet strikes, then the warping around starts. 32 slots is 12 too many.

I wish it were different, I really do.

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Jazz-Man
02-22-2004, 05:47 PM
A while back a group of engineers at Sierra decided they would do a little test, they put up two servers. One for only cable users, and one for only 56 users. Because of the insane amount of bandwith that cable users consume on the down stream, the server with all cable users was suffering from the same pings that the 56k users were having, and they were jumpier, making everyone look like they were skipping around. The 56k users enjoyed the typical lag, but since they were using such a small amount of server bandwith, there were far fewer packet drops and so even with pings around 400 they were playing a smoother game. Atleast one that you could adjust for (a little bit more lead, etc)...

I HATE servers that kick 56k users, its the stupidest idea I've ever heard. I hope though that you and your cable friends do form this league.. and take that attitude out away from the community.

Thanks,

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BM357_Raven
02-22-2004, 05:55 PM
What about FB LAN centers connected to T-3's? Maybe we need to form an interest group... "Keep kids off the streets and men outta the pubs! Support FBT3 for a better world..."

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BlackHawkLeader
02-22-2004, 11:57 PM
Interesting replys guys, I wonder how many of you are paying for Cable, then are forced to settle for dial up standard connectivity.

My post was not meant to be offensive to anybody, the facts of life are theres a whole community of broad band cable and ADSL users out there globaly.

We are not going to go away, just because the 56kers or less want to have a ***** for what ever reason of their own in this thread.

Comprehend Amigos?

Now some of us would like to begin pushing the limits of technology in Online Multiplay, because we can !

How many of you decide to settle for dial up standard connectivity while you actualy pay for cable is entirely up to you as an individual.
This post on the LOMAC Board has drawn a very different response I can assure you, and a lot of those people use IL-2FB Online as well.

One particular idea suggested at Lomac was a best server point for users Globaly, that would eventualy benefit every body no matter what type of connection you use, because lets face it, out there at the moment its a real mish mash when it comes to finding a server you have suitable connectivity too.
Nobody thought about that though did they.

Here we have Broad Band Cable un capped up and down stream, not many people on Cable in my part of the World and we are lightning fast as a result.
Plus ADSL has just been introduced to our area.

So all you broadband cable and ADSL users out there, post any comments feed back or interest you have right here.
Ignore the negatives you read here from the quite obviousley non cable or ADSL users who have already posted here.

Cheers

tttiger
02-23-2004, 12:50 AM
Geeze, what a jerk!

Just FYI, I have DSL and before that I had cable. I do appreciate the benefits of high speed.

But many in my squad have no access to anything but dial-up. They can't get DSL or cable. It's not an option.

I've been flying with the No. 6 Black Lions Sqdn for six years in three different sims. In fact, I'm the only Yank in a long-established multi-sim British squad and I feel very honored they invited me.

I'm not about to abandon old friends (or even old enemies, for that matterhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) for lack of bandwidth.

I would hope most people here feel the same.

Take your brilliant idea back to Lamemac and keep it there.

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x6BL_Brando
02-23-2004, 01:26 AM
I've had ADSL for about a year and I would never want to return to clanky old Dial-up. That said, I would not want to join a separate group of broadband elitists at the expense of my d/u brothers.
A couple of guys in 6BL use it regularly on Hyperlobby. They don't like not having broadband, but one is in the wilds of Nova Scotia and the other in a tiny English village. I've flown with them in various sims for about 6 years, often linked on RW, and I would miss their company a lot. How they would feel, tossed away to satisfy some desire for perfection, is fairly obvious.

But hey, you can do what you like! Form an exclusion zone, set up a broadband master race, go ahead http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Just be sure to put a big sign - something like "F*** you Jack, I'm alright" would suffice - I would hate to wander into the wrong beer-hall.
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BlackHawkLeader
02-23-2004, 01:42 AM
LOL!! Broad Band Master Race, I have to admit that one really cracked me up.
I do have a sense of humour.

What you fail to relize is that we are only interested in Broad Band Cable and ASDL users who are interested in taking part.

You can post here and be negative all you like with childish statements, and personal opinions.
It will change nothing, and only help keep the subject at the forefront where we want it.

This is the 21st Century, and there are people out there who would like to explore the boundries of Online Gaming in Multiplayer, by testing the limits.

Those with the same interest are invited to post their interest here, those who are not interested can piss off.
Simple eh!

We have 100 MB of spare Web Space at our Web Site available, to build a seperate Web Site for the purpose of Global Communications between Broad Band Cable and ADSL users who are interested, in taking part.

We will post the URL when the site is ready to go Online.

Cheers all.

IAFS_Painter
02-23-2004, 01:46 AM
Hmmm - I don't think line speed is a issue now (if it ever was).

IMO - PC configuration is far more significant - and I'm not about to kick anybody just 'cause his PC is better/worse than mine.

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blabla0001
02-23-2004, 01:54 AM
Well, I have a 8Mbit down and 1Mbit up ADSL connection and dail up users are not excluded when I host games.

BlackHawkLeader, put a forum on that 100mb webspace of yours and continue your BS there.

BlackHawkLeader
02-23-2004, 02:13 AM
No BS people,
We will get the interest globaly, you can be assured of that by checking the numbers that read the post as opposed to the few that answer.

The Idiots who want to be childish with posts here actualy assist us to keep this matter in the fore front of the IL-2/FB forum globaly for the longest possible period of time.

We would bump it other wise.
The most important thing you have to remember is, we are not in any way stopping dial up people from partaking in Il-2FB Online with other Dial up users or Cable or DSL players.

We are interested in testing the limits of Multiplayer Online because we can !

Can you !

blabla0001
02-23-2004, 02:25 AM
I can, but I am not going to join your little band.

I am just going to continue doing things as they are now with one minor detail.

No soup and no access for you!!

BM357_Raven
02-23-2004, 02:25 AM
I understand what you are trying to do here BlackHawkLeader and dont worry...it's a fine idea. All you are asking is if there is anyone who would like to periodically join others in a highspeed internet game. Perfectly legitimate question.

Instead you have FB's very own obnoxious backroom flunky thrice tigger who finds satisfaction in trying to mock and belittle you. Some people are just etched by their lowly places in society to end up as the social stragglers begging for attention and trying to raise themselves by putting others down on a forums board...Sorry he called you a jerk.. I dunno where that came from http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ....

Just do your thing, BHL.. I think it's a fine idea.. Maybe even start another post in a week or two...GL!

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UK_Rocket
02-23-2004, 02:53 AM
Hmmm

Ok, being a "dreaded 56k'er" (there in NO availability for anything faster in my location at the moment, therefore i'm stuck with it), I guess i'd better comment http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

For me, personally, my connection is very stable. I do Air racing, use game servers, and NO ONE complains. If I feel i'm lagging, I'll gracefully leave the server.
What you're asking for is fine by me I guess, but remember, you'll lose some fine pilots in doing so.


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Tully__
02-23-2004, 02:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jazz-Man:
A while back a group of engineers at Sierra decided they would do a little test, they put up two servers. One for only cable users, and one for only 56 users. Because of the insane amount of bandwith that cable users consume on the down stream, the server with all cable users was suffering from the same pings that the 56k users were having, and they were jumpier, making everyone look like they were skipping around. The 56k users enjoyed the typical lag, but since they were using such a small amount of server bandwith, there were far fewer packet drops and so even with pings around 400 they were playing a smoother game. Atleast one that you could adjust for (a little bit more lead, etc)...

I HATE servers that kick 56k users, its the stupidest idea I've ever heard. I hope though that you and your cable friends do form this league.. and take that attitude out away from the community.

Thanks,

Jazz-Man

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This is why the default HL configuration sets EVERYONE to 14.4kbs. Smoother game for all, despite the sometimes higher pings.

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carguy_
02-23-2004, 02:58 AM
Well,I wonder if enabling 1024 skins would cripple a DSL server.

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Tully__
02-23-2004, 02:59 AM
Of interest in this topic, I've been on a couple of "broadband only" servers. Laggy as, the net traffic was so high that the host computer couldn't keep up with all the updates and everyone suffered.

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BlackHawkLeader
02-23-2004, 03:12 AM
Point Taken Tully, at last a constructive post!
Yet there was a time when they said man would never Walk on the Moon!

You have to remember, Technology is only improoved because people tested the limits of the current technology, of their day.

Who knows what new discoveries we will make about required PC configurations for hosting, connection speeds, Multiplayer numbers and so forth!
Imagine Broad Band Cable and ADSL people Globaly actualy having fun while doing this, fighting each other Online in Combat in Multiplayer.

Eat your heart out Dial up users!

Sorry to shoot your post down in Flames Tully.

We are going to be able to test the limits of the technology, today, tommorow, next year.
Modern technology is like grabbing a tiger by the tail once you grab on you cannot let go.

Any who are interested in taking part, I will post the WEB Site URL here in the next couple of weeks.
Our prime purpose will be to test untill we find the current limits of Multiplay Online capability Globaly with Broad Band Cable using ADSL Hosts, and Broad Band Cable Hosts.
No matter what part of the World you live in, no matter how remote or Isolated you may think you are.
You are invited to take part.

Cheers

BM357_Raven
02-23-2004, 03:14 AM
...you know what they say: "slew happens..."

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Bull-Dog.
02-23-2004, 03:28 AM
Why not try it.
Im all for anything that will improve the game.
I must say that when A/C jump around in front of me, the game looses all of its realism.

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BaldieJr
02-23-2004, 07:03 AM
Someone doesn't understand latency at all.

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Korolov
02-23-2004, 07:19 AM
Well if you think it will be any different, go ahead.

But I prefer to be around people who are fun to be around, rather than a bunch of snobs who like to brag about their silly upstream/downstream speeds.

You've already taken a lot of flak for this, so I imagine you've gotten the point by now.

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SeaFireLIV
02-23-2004, 08:13 AM
BlackHawkLeader, I am on ADSL and I still say no. I think the good reactions of the people here shows a basic decent quality exists on this forum.

Don`t spoil it with Elitism.

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DONB3397
02-23-2004, 09:53 AM
Is dial-up a choice? Or are there some folks who simply don't have access, even if cost is not an issue?

Seems to me that this Broad-Band-of-Brothers idea will happen...when it happens. Better technology and more capital investment will make hi-speed hookups affordable and accessible for everyone in the future. When it does, this process will be one of natural selection; the best server and connection wins.

In the meantime, let's keep as many people in the game as possible.

BTW, this view isn't based on a personal situation; we've had full-pipe DSL for a while...simply because we lived close to the switchs.

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BaldieJr
02-23-2004, 09:57 AM
When game creators start cramming bloat over network connections, you can kiss network gaming goodbye.

28.8k is the best thing for online gaming. Don't rally for something that you don't fully understand.

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Merlin_602Sqn
02-23-2004, 10:01 AM
I'll join your your little effort if you get me a 10Ghz cpu, with the 5GB's of ram needed to cater for the bandwidth...
actually I always connect on 56K settings even though I'm on broadband(and it's true bb, not dsl or cable). makes the game smoother you see...

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BM357_Raven
02-23-2004, 10:12 AM
You might also want to look into setting up a dedicate server BlackHawk... CLICK HERE and scroll to bottom, 3rd from the top.. (http://www.il2sturmovik.com/games_elts/fb_updates.php)

Running this (in the event you dont know), means the host machine doesnt have to allocate resources to 'playing' the game and theoretically should give you the best over-all game performance by reducing the chances of server stutter...I think, lol... At least that's why we run it for the most part...

I was just thinking about it, and I bet their are hundreds of cable/DSL users who say to themselves at least once that they wish they could at least try a game with other highspeed users. It's not snobbery.

How about people who have no computer or internet connection..?

You meet a guy in a game store buying a used play station for $50 bucks and he's looking through the used games and he's all excited, thumbing through the games and he turns to you and asks "and what do you play?"

You answer "A really cool combat flight sim called IL2 FB. But you have to have a decent PC to play it and a basic internet connection to play it with other people."

He responds, "What are you, some kind of elitist snob? You jerk!"

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SeaFireLIV
02-23-2004, 10:19 AM
My best mate has a PS2, refuses to get a PC - I`ve banned him from entering the house! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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max-nix
02-23-2004, 10:32 AM
Kneel peasants!

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tttiger
02-23-2004, 01:35 PM
Raven, I've disagreed with you on exactly one issue (the 357th DF server kicking anyone who is killed) in exactly one post in exactly one thread with no personal remarks aimed at anyone...and I seem to have become your mortal enemy.

What's your problem?

Or, as we say here in Hawaiian pidgin: "Wot Boddah You?"

Lighten up.

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BlackHawkLeader
02-23-2004, 02:09 PM
OK guys,
I have a few Mega Bytes to spare at Yahoo Geocities.
I am prepared to put together a Simple Web Site, where people , fans of Online Multiplayer Gaming from all over the Globe can meet.
Primarily from the 2 Combat Flight Simulations , Lock On Modern Air Combat, and IL-2/FB.
The Idea of the Web Site is so that we can all have a central Meeting point, with a Forum.

The Objective is to explore the limits of Multiplayer Online Capability Globaly.
As one Example, an ADSL Host, with broad Band Cable players connected, would be an interesting experiment.
How complex a Scenario could be run Online ?
What new PC configurations would be needed by the Host or a player that ran into problems.
What Connections speeds do we need to keep things stable.
Are any of our users capped in any way up or down stream.
All those sorts of interesting things we discover as we test the Limits of the current technology!
I think the best part is the fun we could have while doing this in Multiplayer Combat Online.

Give me a couple of weeks to get the Web Site up, if you are a Broad Band Cable or ADSL user, it does not matter where you live around the globe,no matter how isolated you may think you are, you are invited to take part.

We are interested in everybody having input at the forum, posting their PC configurations and type of connection and capability of that connection.
Who knows what new discoveries we might make, we welcome problem solving input and new ideas.

OF course we welcome people posting IP adresses for Multiplay and the time of day they will be Online.
We will be looking at putting a Universal time clock up at the site, so that Gamers know when hosts will be Online.
We are interested in hearing feed back from Scenarios run Online, any problems encountered suggestions to over come any problems etc.

Most importantly lets have fun doing it! after all you paid good money for your connections.

Genuine people only please, give me a couple of weeks and I will post the URL for those interested.

Incidently, we are also interested in having input from Dial up users as well, a suggestion has already been made about establishing best server point locations around the globe.
Im lucky because my cable is un capped up and down stream in a light traffic area, but I know everybodys situation is different.

Im not the most technicly minded person, but I do not mind at all putting together a meeting place Web Site for people that are, especially when you consider this could benefit everybody from ADSL users to dial up users, Globaly!

The Whole idea is to give everybody a Central reference point that will give them information about what is the best way to go for them personaly, about connecting Online for Multiplayer in their part of the globe.

Cheers all.

Aviar
02-23-2004, 04:50 PM
Raven,

Your squad is 357th but the dial on your 'radio' is set to 375...?

Aviar

ajafoofoo
02-23-2004, 06:22 PM
I used to have adsl. I switched to cable and would never go back.

I get much lower pings on my cable connection.

Koan___
02-24-2004, 12:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jazz-Man:
so even with pings around 400 they were playing a smoother game. Atleast one that you could adjust for (a little bit more lead, etc)...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it true that the greater the ping the longer the lead? So the lead i am used to in the QMB should be extended when i play online with the ping of 400?
For how much?
Thanks.

BlackHawkLeader
02-24-2004, 02:03 AM
OMCI has just gone Online Guys, membership is free, it would be nice to have a central reference point where gamers can get information about group members experimenting with connection protocols, types of connections, PC configurations etc, anything that will help problem solve and enhance their Online Multiplayer experience.

Link
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OMCI/

We chose Yahoo Groups because of the ability to post Messages in different languages.

DuxCorvan
02-24-2004, 09:20 AM
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BM357_Raven
02-24-2004, 09:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Raven,

Your squad is 357th but the dial on your 'radio' is set to 375...?

Aviar

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Hmmm.. either I am dyslexic or we are spying on the 375th's channel...you pick.. Now where did i put that .psd...?

ttt - Compassion and respect--that's all. Anonymity should not create a rift in the code of common courtesy. Even if you dont have to watch the guy's expression because you dont have to look him square in the eyes when you call him a 'jerk,' it doesn't mean it it didnt hit him square in the chest.

Some guys are thick skinned and let it roll off, others just scurry away never to post here again. Me? If I get offended, I make sure to let ya know about it. This guy seems like a good guy with an idea that is unpopular with several people. That's no reason for you to ostricize him or disrespect him in frontof hundreds of other people.

And, yes, I started to take notice of you when you insulted me and my squad. But I think your intro to this guy was far worse. I'd apologize to him--but that's just me.

Disagree-sure. Just do it with respect....

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BlackHawkLeader
02-24-2004, 11:29 AM
How about a little less talk, and a bit more action please guys.
That Im aware of there is no central reference point on the Web, for Gamers from two different Air Combat Sims to experiment with connectivity Online.

Thats why I started OMCI, Yahoo groups is the perfect Venue because some Yahoo groups hold thousands of members, each with their own profile, the Web Site is also ready made with many features built in, being able to post and reply in different languages, means the international barriers are down with this group.

I could not care about negative idiots who post here, they are so obviouse.
They come under the heading of all talk no action types with me.

Cheers all