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F19_Ob
07-31-2004, 01:21 PM
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I seldom venture into Olegs readyroom anymore....Surely his staff wont force Oleg to go in there and see his lifes work trampled on in that manner? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif



Sorry Ivan..........better lock this thread.

F19_Ob
07-31-2004, 01:21 PM
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I seldom venture into Olegs readyroom anymore....Surely his staff wont force Oleg to go in there and see his lifes work trampled on in that manner? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif



Sorry Ivan..........better lock this thread.

Taylortony
07-31-2004, 02:00 PM
I know the feeling, they should close it down as 99% of the drivel posted in there is not related to the purpose of the room http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

LeadSpitter_
07-31-2004, 03:26 PM
I posted a thread asking people not to contribute to all the whine and discussions that should be in gd. It gets locked becuase of the trolls but the others remain open to really make this sim look bad. Makes no sense to me. I say shut orr down and make it read only, the descent questions only the mods can ask in orr and maybe oleg will reply back like back in il2sturmovik to valid question.

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Red_Russian13
07-31-2004, 03:30 PM
It's sad to say, but there should be some sort of "chain of command" or something. All the troops posting and complaining just isn't right. But then we'll have people not submitting suggestions because they don't feel valid. I guess it's a lose lose situation.

Red Russian

Freycinet
07-31-2004, 04:04 PM
Ages ago, I suggested that posting priviliges to the ORR should be given only to a group of posters deemed "valid" by the group itself.

Any member of the group not using an acceptable tone according to another member, should be subject to a "group roll call" on whether he should have his posting privileges revoked.

I don't know if I make myself clear, but if there was this "group-wise auto-discipline" then the tone would immediately become better in there. Also, it would ensure that already-discussed-to-death issues wouldn't be taken up again by newbies and clog the forum.

Airborn_
07-31-2004, 04:16 PM
Posted By Freycinet:

"Any member of the group not using an acceptable tone according to another member"

Yeah, and I can specifically remember you coming in here one time shouting: "You are all IDIOTS!!.." etc. etc. I think that was truley a fine example of the Code of Behaviour you're proposing to be used in here from now on. No, really.

So, whaddayathink? Think they're gonna give you a ticket after all, or what?

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Zatorski
07-31-2004, 05:08 PM
quote: "Ages ago, I suggested that posting priviliges to the ORR should be given only to a group of posters deemed "valid" by the group itself."

Since you are talking to the developers of the software, and finding "valid" points of view, I would like to see submissions to the moderators privately be screened and judged by the quality and frequency of the topics and up in ORR. Research your case, make your case intelligently, submit it to a mod, they can then be in a position to know if it's genuine, and be presented to the developers. Then public comment would be valid because there really is an issue, either a software bug, a substantial problem or a consensus of the end-users.

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LeadSpitter_
07-31-2004, 05:46 PM
Zatorski i agree thats the best way and thing that can happen to ORR if they consider it. Right now ORR seems 90% GD topics and the very few oleg does reply to these days get 20-30 posts asking him lots of other questions not even dealing with the original thread he just replied to.

It would be alot of extra work for the mods but worth it for I think. Im hoping ubirazz chooses some very good people like ivan hunter82 and stevev. Hopefully euro_snoopy will come back

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CHDT
07-31-2004, 05:57 PM
Drama queens in action http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

Franzen
07-31-2004, 08:07 PM
The difference between GD and ORR are more or less only theoretical(dictionary 4 ft away, my arm only 3 ft, can't find solution).

When someone does post a good idea or suggestion it seems to quickly get buried under the heaps of fertilizer. The shame is this fertilizer only grows discontent. Feeding this to Oleg is beneficial to no one.

Maybe we need a new forum for the useless rants and gripes. Instead of calling it ORR or GD we could call it LALA "Ladies Auxilary Lan Fill". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif, or just "Lan Fill".

Fritz Franzen

heywooood
07-31-2004, 08:25 PM
I agree with Leadspitter on this 100%

In ORR - it might serve the community better, not to mention Olegs sanity, if the questions or topics for it were started here in GD under one sticky thread labeled something like 'Questions for Oleg' or 'Suggestions for Improvements' and then these could be measured by the mods as well as the rest of the community for suitability for posting in ORR by the mods... ORR being a read-only forum for us whiners and pontificators. Then maybe Oleg and Ilya might be more inclined to look there for valid, never posed before type questions and we might get more frequent information and responses from them. Just having anyone with a computer demanding all new FM's for their pet planes over there every day has gotten old for all of us I think.



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Old_Canuck
07-31-2004, 09:26 PM
I think the answer lies somewhere among all of the statements here and it won't help to dredge up past history.

"read only" is a good idea if the ORR posters are "screened" somehow and have proven their ability to present well-documented proofs for their causes.

If the ORR posters have the respect of the community it's likely they would have Oleg and Team's respect as well and that would lead to more (rational) discussion with the developers which would make it an interesting read indeed.

Freedom of speech you say? Let the ranters rave on ... somewhere else. I know this is a bit simplistic but more details could be worked in around it.

And Leadspitter, on the topic of good mods I agree we have some good ones now but the more the merrier. When I first joined this forum I thought you had a chip on your shoulder (example of dredging up past history) but I learned that you just care about the sim and you don't care what people think about you when you chew them out. Maybe you should put your name in for the position of mod? Don't have a bullet proof vest to loan you but you can have my old helmet and goggles.

OC

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Fehler
08-01-2004, 12:38 AM
But who is going to screen the screeners?

There have been various popularity figures here on the forum that have, at times, acted less than the age (7) required to play AEP. Some of them are even in a position of influence directly with 1C. What happens when "These" people have agendas and dont agree with information forwarded to them?

Instead, I believe in the intelligence of Oleg to sift through the rubbish and determine what is vaible and what is not.

Perhaps if the mods gave out more bannings for people that dont "Debate" but throw insults instead, or even worse, (Repeat the same information over and over as if "He who says it more than the next shall win" applies) then maybe less cr@p would get posted in ORR.

As it stands, Oleg rarely visits unless he is wanting to let us know about something. He doesnt interact like he used to, but I can hardly blame him for this. How much of this man's time did we really buy for 40 dollars? He has a real life, and a real business. Unfortunately, success comes at a price.

The problem in that room arises when one person provides information and another refutes it with different information. We all know what happens then. People take sides and topics are shifted away from the original intent of the author. Mud slinging and misinformation usually follows, and someone like Ivan has to come and lock the thread.

And although I like Leadspitter, I really feel that the best type of moderator is one that is NOT passionate about this sim. That is the type of person that would look at threads with indifference and objectivity. Passionate people often have their outlook jaded by what they hold dearest to them.

The mods we have now have actually done a fine job at being impartial. This has happened with a great surprise from myself, indeed! My hat's off to them! I wouldnt want that job for all the tea in China. (I hate tea, BTW - but it's a great sounding cliche)

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arcadeace
08-01-2004, 05:05 AM
I wasn't gonna participate in this thread as I rarely do in ORR but I wanted to briefly respond to your's Fehler because I think its more objective than most. We need people who are 'passionate' about the sim because they should be grounded well enough in its strengths as well as shortcomings. Its hard for me to imagine adequate depth of knowledge in FB without its love as a hobby. Those who are stable and very mature. Who care more for the well being of the forum, sim and Oleg's input than their ego and/or popularity with other members.