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GavrielDeath
06-07-2016, 08:50 PM
Okay so I was looking back on the concept art for Nikolai Orelov in Assassins Creed Chronicles: Russia, and I noticed something peculiar about Nikolai's weapon that you would normally have trouble seeing in regular artwork of his.
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/assassinscreed/images/9/95/ACCR_Nikolai_Orelov_turnaround_reference.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160108091956
Particularly the rifle he uses, the one with the scope. I've been doing research and apparently this weapon doesn't really exist at all, and I can't find a proper name for it referenced by Ubisoft or other critics of the series. I finally found what it truly looks like.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Gev%C3%A4r_m1940_-_8x63mm_-_AM.006920.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Lee-Enfield_No_4_Mk_I_(1943)_-_AM.032027.jpg
It looks exactly like a mix between a Karabiner 98 kurz (the first carbine) and a Lee Enfield (the rifle right below). Notice that the rifle itself looks like a Kar98k, but the magazine looks exactly like that of a Lee Enfield.

Just thought I'd point this out if nobody has already, just for whatever purposes you might want to know for since Ubisoft over here keeps making up weapons.

cawatrooper9
06-07-2016, 09:03 PM
Welcome to the forums, and interesting work!

This isn't really my forte, but do AC weapons usually have historical counterparts? I mean, obviously hidden blades and stuff are made up, but do the swords and guns usually have historical roots? I never really even thought about that before.

LoyalACFan
06-07-2016, 11:01 PM
It's supposed to be a Mosin-Nagant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosin%E2%80%93Nagant) but I would imagine that they can't make it an exact replica for copyright/trademark purposes.


Welcome to the forums, and interesting work!

This isn't really my forte, but do AC weapons usually have historical counterparts? I mean, obviously hidden blades and stuff are made up, but do the swords and guns usually have historical roots? I never really even thought about that before.

Well, kinda, I mean most of the swords generally have real-world counterparts from the era the game takes place in, but there are obviously fictionalized variations for the sake of diversity in gameplay. But yeah, the weapons are usually based on real things; schiavonas, flanged maces, cavalry sabers, pistol swords, yes, they were all real things. I think the biggest deviant was Unity; the melee weapons were somewhat grounded in reality, but most of the pistols were fantasy. As far as I know, Syndicate went in the other direction in that respect; the guns are real but the melee weapons are all bunk.

cawatrooper9
06-08-2016, 04:36 PM
Well, kinda, I mean most of the swords generally have real-world counterparts from the era the game takes place in, but there are obviously fictionalized variations for the sake of diversity in gameplay. But yeah, the weapons are usually based on real things; schiavonas, flanged maces, cavalry sabers, pistol swords, yes, they were all real things. I think the biggest deviant was Unity; the melee weapons were somewhat grounded in reality, but most of the pistols were fantasy. As far as I know, Syndicate went in the other direction in that respect; the guns are real but the melee weapons are all bunk.

I guess that makes sense. Guns would typically be more mass produced and manufactured, so we'd have more data on specific make and models. Swords could be made by the village blacksmith or whatever, so it would be harder to trace.

LoyalACFan
06-09-2016, 10:21 AM
I guess that makes sense. Guns would typically be more mass produced and manufactured, so we'd have more data on specific make and models. Swords could be made by the village blacksmith or whatever, so it would be harder to trace.

Yeah, exactly. Especially in Syndicate's era, where melee weapons were sort of going by the wayside and generally becoming more makeshift, whereas gun production and distribution had never been easier thanks to modern manufacturing and readymade cartridges. I'm pretty sure you can pinpoint the exact maker and model of each gun in Syndicate, even though the names aren't all in there.

kluni123
06-13-2016, 03:00 PM
Nikolai's Rifle is a Russian Berdan rifle which has been modified by Fedor Tokarev. If you look at the database entry in Assassin's Creed Chronicles: Russia, there is a page on his rifle.

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Database:_Orelov%27s_Rifle

Hope this helps.

GavrielDeath
07-15-2016, 05:29 PM
Nikolai's Rifle is a Russian Berdan rifle which has been modified by Fedor Tokarev. If you look at the database entry in Assassin's Creed Chronicles: Russia, there is a page on his rifle.

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Database:_Orelov%27s_Rifle

Hope this helps.

Yeah, I remember the database entry, but by historical accuracy of weaponry, Fedor Tokarev had never submitted designs for a alteration to the Berdan Rifle. Maybe the Berdan Rifle is a closer resemblance to my guesses though. Thanks for the enlightenment!

Fedor Tokarev historically designed the TT-30 & TT-33 self-loading pistols, as well as the SVT-38 and the SVT-40 self-loading rifles.

However, I find it curious that Ubisoft would go on to say that he designed a Berdan Rifle variant, since he actually designed a variant of the 1891 Mosin-Nagant Rifle, the type of rifle that replaced Berdan Rifles in the Russian Army, and would go on to design the Tokarev Model 1927 submachine gun.