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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 10:27 AM
take a look at this guys!!
i must get this game

http://www.simhq.com/_air/images/air_070a_27.jpg

http://www.simhq.com/_air/images/air_070a_28.jpg


http://www.simhq.com/_air/images/air_070a_45.jpg


http://www.simhq.com/_air/images/air_070a_50.jpg

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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 10:27 AM
take a look at this guys!!
i must get this game

http://www.simhq.com/_air/images/air_070a_27.jpg

http://www.simhq.com/_air/images/air_070a_28.jpg


http://www.simhq.com/_air/images/air_070a_45.jpg


http://www.simhq.com/_air/images/air_070a_50.jpg

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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 03:06 PM
Bump,

Looking forward to it... For the graphics..

XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 03:14 PM
Looks good, but unfortunately I am ussually plastered into the side of a mountain or something when I'm trying to sip my coffee, those thing are too fast for me, guess thats why I drive slow, old stuff rules.

XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 03:48 PM
Crazed-One wrote:
- Looks good, but unfortunately I am ussually
- plastered into the side of a mountain or something
- when I'm trying to sip my coffee, those thing are
- too fast for me, guess thats why I drive slow, old
- stuff rules.
-
-

Then the A-10 Thunderbolt II (one of the flyables) should be the plane for you. It only flys a maximum of 420 mph, so it is not even faster than some of those old warbirds.

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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 04:10 PM
After buying it I will probably take it back cuz my PC would just blow up/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 04:16 PM
dayak why did u have to show me those pic's, /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif now i want the game even more! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 04:29 PM
Crazed-One wrote:
- Looks good, but unfortunately I am ussually
- plastered into the side of a mountain or something
- when I'm trying to sip my coffee, those thing are
- too fast for me, guess thats why I drive slow, old
- stuff rules.

LOL /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Try sipping while using TrackIR with the dot on your headset, talk about "out of the body" experience/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 05:29 PM
It looks great but when I read the preview at SimHQ (where the screenshots are from) I couldn't help but thinking 'ho hum'. They fly around get into missile range and fire only at the end when they are out of missiles do they switch to guns. I know some people find missile combat fun. But, for me it is a bit to complicated and distant. I'd rather mix it up real close and fly through the fireball of my destruction :-).


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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 05:30 PM
Guns only servers../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 06:47 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- Guns only servers../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
-


Ah, for that I would like an IDS Tornado which is fitted with 2 27mm BK27 Mauser guns. I might not be a maneauverable as most other planes, but at sea level I would be a bit faster than most, too. Oh, and I can run from the big, bad GAU8 on the Warthog.

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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 06:56 PM
Guys, someone explain it to me: What is the fun of flying these jets? Unless you can see the kill with guns, I just don't see the fun at all with pressing buttons and a radar saying blip- kill? You don't even have to maneuver.

Give me a sim like Mig alley, but that works!!!

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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 06:56 PM
I'll stick with the F-15.

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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 08:04 PM
Yes, that game's gonna rape my system /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 08:58 PM
Crazed-One wrote:
- Looks good, but unfortunately I am ussually
- plastered into the side of a mountain or something
- when I'm trying to sip my coffee, those thing are
- too fast for me, guess thats why I drive slow, old
- stuff rules.
-
-


ofcourse, you can drive it slow too and be our target drone /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 08:59 PM
mike_espo wrote:
- Guys, someone explain it to me: What is the fun of
- flying these jets? Unless you can see the kill with
- guns, I just don't see the fun at all with pressing
- buttons and a radar saying blip- kill? You don't
- even have to maneuver.
-
- Give me a sim like Mig alley, but that works!!!
-
<img
- src="http://www.compsoc.man.ac.uk/~wingman/pics/g5
- 0bis_2.jpg">
-
-
-

Oh, you will have to maneauver, especially if you fly, for example, the russian planes, since most of the missles they carry will have a shorter range than the western ones. You must then maneauver into a position were you are close enough to shot your missle without the enemy detecting you on his radar. With some of the Semi-Active Radar Homing (SARH) missiles you will even have to stay in position for some time or even until the missile has reached the target, before being able to get out of the combat area. With those radar missiles you will also be clearly seen by the enemy and must therefore also avoid the return fire, while trying to keep a lock on him, for your missile to reach the target. It is not as easy as locking on and firing, at least not with some missiles.

Or you could fly the warthog, a dedicated CAP plane. Slow, no radar, must fly really low to avoid detection by enemy radar and has at most a few infrared sidewinder with only a few kilometers range or it's gun (which is more laid out for attacking ground targets and tanks) to defend itself with. To avoid a MiG-29 for example will not be an easy task for this plane. And not to forget all the SAM sites, the mobile SAM's and AA-Guns.

Just because you have missiles that can home in on your target doesn't necessarily mean that it is easier to fight with them.

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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 09:27 PM
people are missing the point, its a different kind of fun

if any of you have played falcon4.0, janes F15, or janes F18 then you know what its kinda like

and also its quite fun dogfighting at rathe close range with shortrange heatseakers

if you have never flown a modern jet sim then dont judge it, specially by just saying its no fun

i wish there was a sim with a flyable F14 tho, its my fav, best fighter in the world, track 24targets at a time, shoot six down a time, up to almost 200miles away, its also the fastest fighter mach 2.4 or something like that

watched a show about it on the history channel the other day

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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 09:42 PM
Could'nt agree more Schnitter, modern air warfare is far more deadly and dangerous and requires alot more skills and situational awareness than the WW2 and Korean war era combat.

It seems that alot of people think that in jet sims you just fly straight and level and shoot fire and forget weapons at unseen targets.

This is'nt true, big modern furballs still involve tons of manuevering and it is'nt at 300mph but more like 600. The anxiety and rush of knowing radars have painted you, that a multi-layered air defense system is tracking you is just as thrilling to alot of us as seeing tracers whiz by our windshield. I find WW2 sims actually get redunant faster because their are fewer things to learn. You learn the limits and advantages of the aircraft, certain tactics and manuevers and gunnery. Modern era sims you learn all those and also radar capabilities and how the modes for each can be used, the +'s and -'s of a ton of weapons systems, the way to avoid and counteract a myriad of threats. These all mean more little nuansinces that makes the game longer lived for me. All this hinges on how well they do all this though. If everything I just described is dumbed down and generic than I would much rather play a game like FB or Il-2.

Falcon 4.0 is still the standard as far as I'm concerned. Games have come out that were prettier, ran better and had more options, but none have compared to the detail F4 gave to its avionics and the way things like radar and missiles behave. I'm just skeptical that a developer can do those little things well when they are trying to do it with what, 6 A/C?



Message Edited on 07/19/0308:45PM by BillRK

XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 09:44 PM
Rifleman75 wrote:
-i wish there was a sim with a flyable F14 tho, its
- my fav, best fighter in the world, track 24targets
- at a time, shoot six down a time, up to almost
- 200miles away, its also the fastest fighter mach 2.4
- or something like that


Uhm... best fighter in the world? Can I please laugh a bit at this statement? It's hardly "the best foghter in the world", I would give that title to either the Su-27, Mig-29 or S-37 Berkut. Hell, even the F-16 will be able to out-fly the F-14...

Oh, and I find your sig highly amuzing too.

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fluke39
07-19-2003, 09:49 PM
sorry for being a thickie but: no-ones mentioned what game this is ?

is it lock-on ?

i am too much of a WW2 person to o keep up too date with other sims etc - (not that i'm saying it's no fun) - the graphics do look awesome though

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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 09:51 PM
BillRK wrote:
- Could'nt agree more Schnitter, modern air warfare is
- far more deadly and dangerous and requires alot more
- skills and situational awareness than the WW2 and
- Korean war era combat.

How can you say that? In reality, you have a hawkeye or some sort of EW aircraft or satelite downlink telling you every bogey within 100miles of your position. You are more an electrical engineer than I pilot in modern aircraft. Modern aircraft are incredibly easier to fly from a pilots standpoint than the first jet aircraft in the 40s and 50s. Fly by wire control systems, these planes can fly themselves. In Korea, a pilot had to keep his craft within certain g limits or the wings would fail, or a violent pitch up would cause loss of control. Not so with modern aircraft. Too much technology. Press buttons, get kills from 50miles. Ho Hum. Anything beyond the Vietnam conflict would be boring.

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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 09:53 PM
- Uhm... best fighter in the world? Can I please laugh
- a bit at this statement? It's hardly "the best
- foghter in the world", I would give that title to
- either the Su-27, Mig-29 or S-37 Berkut. Hell, even
- the F-16 will be able to out-fly the F-14...

hmmm, maybe in theary the russian planes maybe just might be that good, but they cant afford to use them

but anyway, what other plane can down 6 targets at the same time from a distance of 200 miles?

so what if a F16 can out manuever it, its half the size, F14 is still faster, longer range, carries more, and its my favorite fighter

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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 10:27 PM
Incredible Graphics does not make an incredible game. Let`s see how the actual gameplay turns out first. But it does kinda look like IL2 60 years later!

Like someone else said, flying modern planes is a different kind of excitement, even though you often don`t see the kill. But I doubt I`m gonna go back to modern aircraft. I don`t feel the same `reason` for blowing away other sections of the world`s society for a certain nation`s iffy point of view.

World War II seems to me last war that really had a `moral` point to it- it feels right to fight.

XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 10:28 PM
mike_espo wrote:
- How can you say that? In reality, you have a hawkeye
- or some sort of EW aircraft or satelite downlink
- telling you every bogey within 100miles of your
- position. You are more an electrical engineer than I
- pilot in modern aircraft. Modern aircraft are
- incredibly easier to fly from a pilots standpoint
- than the first jet aircraft in the 40s and 50s. Fly
- by wire control systems, these planes can fly
- themselves. In Korea, a pilot had to keep his craft
- within certain g limits or the wings would fail, or
- a violent pitch up would cause loss of control. Not
- so with modern aircraft. Too much technology. Press
- buttons, get kills from 50miles. Ho Hum. Anything
- beyond the Vietnam conflict would be boring.

Typical of people who believe all of the USA propaganda about how amazing its air capabilites are. Your not an electrical engineer by any means and you don't have a scope that says this is a bogey, thats a friendly ect. Air controllers are able to vector you to A/C and let you know the bearing, speed and height of possible targets or threats, but the pilot still has to manuever, find the threat/target on his own radar and fire a missle. 99.9 percent of A2A kills now would still happen within visual range. The best US A2A missile is still the AIM-120 and it is only dependable inside 15 miles if the target is closing and around 10 if the target is going away. It is not even autonimous until it is within about 5 miles or less. Also you can get shot at with a modern missile and avoid it. Go buy Falcon 4.0 and tell me if your not flying your arse off when the sh*t hits the fan. Flying a modern fighter takes alot more thinking than the era your talking about, and in no way do these planes fly themselves. At least no more than trimming a WW2 era plane out to fly straight and level.

XyZspineZyX
07-20-2003, 12:45 AM
Rifleman75 wrote:
-- Uhm... best fighter in the world? Can I please laugh
-- a bit at this statement? It's hardly "the best
-- foghter in the world", I would give that title to
-- either the Su-27, Mig-29 or S-37 Berkut. Hell, even
-- the F-16 will be able to out-fly the F-14...
-
- hmmm, maybe in theary the russian planes maybe just
- might be that good, but they cant afford to use them
-
- but anyway, what other plane can down 6 targets at
- the same time from a distance of 200 miles?
-
- so what if a F16 can out manuever it, its half the
- size, F14 is still faster, longer range, carries
- more, and its my favorite fighter
-

The F-14 is nice, but it is not the fastest bird up there, for one thing. The Eagle, the SU-27, the MiG-29 are all faster with full afterburner, since they are intended as either air superiority fighter or short range interceptors.
The F-14B and F-14D have with both engines a full afterburner thrust of 54,000 lbs. at a max. take-off weight of 32,805 kg, whereas the MiG-29 has a full afterburner thrust of 36,612 lbs. at a max. take-off weight of 18,500 kg. Since the MiG-29 is has a better ratio, it can accelerate faster and reach higher end speeds.

Then there is the radar, that does have those capabilities you state (, but the AIM-54 Phoenix missile has a range of just over 100 miles and you would have to decrease the range for a running target. Also you would have to take into account that most planes nowadays have RWR's, so they would know the missile is coming and countermeasures to foil the missile. Also the Phoenix was designed as bomber intercept missile and has therefore not enough maneauverability to keep up with a target as nimble as a fighter craft. So I would say that the downing of 6 targets is a big question mark here.

I also would say that, if the Russians where pressed into it, they would find ways to make their jets operable for a defense (or maybe even offense). I would never underestimate the Russians.

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fluke39
07-20-2003, 11:33 AM
hmm

still being a thickie

can someone tell me what game the screenshots were from please

thank you

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XyZspineZyX
07-20-2003, 11:48 AM
fluke39 wrote:
- hmm
-
- still being a thickie
-
- can someone tell me what game the screenshots were
- from please
-
- thank you

OK assuming you are serious and not jesting:-

Its LOMAC. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-20-2003, 12:44 PM
ok a jet comparison is extremely involved
in moder air warfare (MAW) Dogfighting shouldnt happen
the S37 berkut is not a plane you will find in any airforce anywhere in the world .
its a showplane , a prototype
if you are talking about the best dogfighting Jet , its a moot point . ALL modern jet fighters will black you out & it comes down to pilot training & experience
if you are talking about the best jet to be in a MAW then its the jet with the most speed , flight time , best Electronics & best Stealth capabilitys
ONE answer ~~> the F22 Raptor
when it comes into service it will be the safest jet to be in a hostile enviroment

the electronics & surveilence the are at a Raptors disposel put him in the best position possible

as far as pilot training goes , the American training facilites are just as good as Russian ones ( American pilots have seen more combat flight time in the decade tho )

the SU-37 was decommisioned & reverted back to proven SU-33 specification & put back into service

the russian jets are better at certian things that the american ones & vica versa
rest assured that the F-14 & F16 & F15 still turn well enough to defend themselves against SU-33 & SU-27 & MIG-29s in a turnfight & the winner would be the best trained pilot who got lucky
if you got a ride in any one of them it would blow your mind

missile technology & real world stealth are what matter today at surviving in a MAW

XyZspineZyX
07-20-2003, 12:59 PM
If you go onto the website:
www.lo-mac.com (http://www.lo-mac.com)
you'll see that the combat is often very close. If you watch the videos theres a real feeling of speed and you realise just how much skill is involved. They have put a lot of attention into the explosions etc. giving you an idea that it won't just be a blip on the radar screen. I'm definitely going to get it, but first I'm going to wait for the IL2FB patch. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-20-2003, 01:26 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- Guns only servers

I can see it now...out running my cannons at Mach 2 or something.

Can't stand blip targeting and kills...

Those are sure great screenshots, really makes you want to try though.

A sim so classy probably deserves a spot on my HDD.

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XyZspineZyX
07-20-2003, 02:36 PM
F-14, 6 targets at 200 miles....please. Don't buy into ALL the propaganda. She's a good bird but in the 10 or so mock fights I had with the boys from Oceana or Norfolk I never felt threatened by an F-14. Always felt I had the fight won unless I made a huge mistake.

Fleet defense against bombers? Yeah, I'd go with the Cat but in a knife fight--no way? The Hornet gave me much more reason to worry.

And before someone brings up the Phoenix and how it can engage at some ridiculously long range I'll just say any fighter pilot who loses his ride to a Phoenix, should he survive, should be court martialled for wasting a perfectly good aircraft...

XyZspineZyX
07-20-2003, 02:46 PM
The Tomcat was for at least 20 years the best interceptor in the world.

XyZspineZyX
07-20-2003, 02:51 PM
well, I don`t even have enough time to play my favourite sim: FB. LOMAC on top of it - I need ta go, find a government job../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-20-2003, 02:57 PM
Ya ive been waiting for 3 years for this sim !!!

Im gona hammer thoes tanks with that A-10

Look out Russia Loco's got an A-10

muahahahahahahahha

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XyZspineZyX
07-20-2003, 03:01 PM
Snoop_Baron wrote:
- It looks great but when I read the preview at SimHQ
- (where the screenshots are from) I couldn't help but
- thinking 'ho hum'. They fly around get into missile
- range and fire only at the end when they are out of
- missiles do they switch to guns. I know some people
- find missile combat fun. But, for me it is a bit to
- complicated and distant. I'd rather mix it up real
- close and fly through the fireball of my destruction
- :-).
-
-
-
- Snoop Baron

Im hoping they add an option too disable Radar &/or Heat seekers

Would be awsome to hash it out in an su27 with gunz only vs the nato ac I love that Mig 29 as well What an AC !!!

Give us gunz or give us death !!!



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XyZspineZyX
07-20-2003, 03:08 PM
mike_espo wrote:
- Guys, someone explain it to me: What is the fun of
- flying these jets? Unless you can see the kill with
- guns, I just don't see the fun at all with pressing
- buttons and a radar saying blip- kill? You don't
- even have to maneuver.
-
- Give me a sim like Mig alley, but that works!!!
-

mig ally was week.....

Imagine all the awsome groundpounding you can do in thoes birds its not about the df too me as much as blowing things up on the ground /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Also you gota figure theres going to be evasive systems in the ac to doge thoes missles & it probly wont be that hard to doge them (overmodled /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif )

If you know how & when to release chafee/flare & the right angle to make against the incoming missle then its realy not a problem

altho Im hoping a gunz only setup will be available just give me the a-10 & stand back /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
07-20-2003, 03:18 PM
Rifleman75 wrote:
- i wish there was a sim with a flyable F14 tho, its
- my fav, best fighter in the world, track 24targets
- at a time, shoot six down a time, up to almost
- 200miles away, its also the fastest fighter mach 2.4
- or something like that
-
- watched a show about it on the history channel the
- other day

Ya....I never have found a sim that Featured this bird & did it any justice....

Its a pitfull shame Some dum arse Senator had all the documentation for the Tomcat destroyed blueprints & all the tooling to create them.

WHAT A FOOL!!! (who elected that guy... SMACK !!!)

I seen that show also on the history chanel very good!!!

also seen one this morning about the B-52

amazing!!!


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XyZspineZyX
07-20-2003, 03:59 PM
I've heard Cheney had a part in the destruction of F-14 tooling.

http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/secdef_histories/bios/cheney.htm

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XyZspineZyX
07-20-2003, 04:16 PM
Schnitter,
I think you will have to redo your knowledge on western and soviet build AA-missiles because most Sovietbuild have a greater range (they are bigger too) but in case of the radarguided ones have to be guided by the shooting AC much longer then the western ones.

I am actually more interresed in how they have kept the avionics realistic, and the launchprocedures for each weapon.
Hopefully most of it can be programmed in my cougar.
And it isn't L to lock next tgt. Would be a shame for such a prommising sim.
Anybody read something about it anywhere??

Pacman



Message Edited on 07/20/0303:19PM by Pacman-LT

XyZspineZyX
07-20-2003, 06:39 PM
have fun in blomac


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XyZspineZyX
07-20-2003, 09:11 PM
you can take off or landing from aircraft carrier too!!

http://www.pcarena.com/previews/lomac/trap/3.jpg



http://www.pcarena.com/previews/lomac/trap/2.jpg


http://www.pcarena.com/previews/lomac/trap/4.jpg


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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 08:40 AM
I would have to say flying Flanker 2.5 (the engine which Loc-On is based on) allows an extraordinary number of options, tasks, and what not that isn't available in IL2.

In addition, you don't have to worry about icons on/off, padlock, or options that can make the game more "difficult." In Flanker you may be more blind than in IL2 but you can certainly identify planes whatever planes you find.

Another thing...most missiles miss. Unless you have pretty good missile parameters you often just end up scaring the other player. I've had, many times, fully-loaded flanker against flanker fights that degenerated into guns only fights as both sides had no more missiles to launch.

Conversly, missiles make the game extremely difficult for a new person starting the game. Unless you know what you're doing...you're dead. One second you're tooling along with no one on your rader, next thing you hear your missile warning light go off, and ten seconds later you're hanging underneath your parachute.

Modern jet games are hard...no doubt about it. But i would strongly urge anyone who loves planes to try Flanker 2.5 (Loc-On doesn't seem to be available for quite some time...flanker 2.5 has been out and patched a few times).