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Slingn
07-16-2004, 01:21 PM
Ok, i know this is an old subject, but I just had to post about it. I've been playing on the 2 main semi-fullreal servers on HL (warclouds and GG) for awhile, and its great. I have very few troubles (except when i tk a guy by accident), and bthe server seems to be always full of nice and helpful guys.

But I do have a bit of a beef. so heres the old subject. Kill stealing, only with a different view. Honestly, I have no problem with anyone shooting any member of the other team. They are the enemy, you see them, you shoot at them. anytime, anywhere. Now, I will have an issue if you cut me off, and push me off my shot. but even then, i gennerally pull up and cover from above. I always try to help teammates in trouble and will even sacrifice myself if needed. Although the new (or not so new) 3 death kick thing makes me reconsider that.
Ok, so heres the beef. I was is a fight with this floppy p39, and infactg, I had him smoking (both black anbd grey when out of the hi heavens, a 190 zooms in and makes him go pooof. Again, i got no problem with that. He's an enemy, kill him. However, about ten min later, i get a clean shot at a p51 and take his wing off. Now I have to hear, from that same 190 pilot who just boomed the p39 in front of me earlier how I'm stealing his kill, and i should get my own, I mean he went on for 4 or 5 lines of text. to top it off, the guy was shooting at my team mate when i took him down. I decided not to even respond, not woth the argueement, especially considering he's fairly well respected on the server and here in these forums. Now I'm not a noob, I hold my own ok, considering i'm a 109 guy. But obviously, I dont play has much as some. Still, that typee of behaivor is uncalled for.

NOW,. the real kicker, and what bothers me most. Same guy, he gets a another kill in a battle with about 4 reds on 2 blues( not counting him). He takes out one red, and instead of staying around to help his team, he turns and heads instantly for home. I guess so he can get his precious points. That really sucks, he left his teammates who were out gunned and at a disadvantage. He only got credit for one kill, so Its hard for me to believe he was out of ammo or fuel. I have no respect for this guy now. I wont mention his name, because he's a member of a squad that I do respect. But holy cow, he whines about someone stealing his kill, and then does all that ****. No class in my book. I hope you know who you are. And I also hope others will consider this when in battle.

I know its only a game, but as serious as some of you guys take it, the good, respected guys shouldn't act like that. I hope some other who is more respected then i will call him out for it one day.

Good, I feel better now.

Thanks for listening

Slingn
07-16-2004, 01:21 PM
Ok, i know this is an old subject, but I just had to post about it. I've been playing on the 2 main semi-fullreal servers on HL (warclouds and GG) for awhile, and its great. I have very few troubles (except when i tk a guy by accident), and bthe server seems to be always full of nice and helpful guys.

But I do have a bit of a beef. so heres the old subject. Kill stealing, only with a different view. Honestly, I have no problem with anyone shooting any member of the other team. They are the enemy, you see them, you shoot at them. anytime, anywhere. Now, I will have an issue if you cut me off, and push me off my shot. but even then, i gennerally pull up and cover from above. I always try to help teammates in trouble and will even sacrifice myself if needed. Although the new (or not so new) 3 death kick thing makes me reconsider that.
Ok, so heres the beef. I was is a fight with this floppy p39, and infactg, I had him smoking (both black anbd grey when out of the hi heavens, a 190 zooms in and makes him go pooof. Again, i got no problem with that. He's an enemy, kill him. However, about ten min later, i get a clean shot at a p51 and take his wing off. Now I have to hear, from that same 190 pilot who just boomed the p39 in front of me earlier how I'm stealing his kill, and i should get my own, I mean he went on for 4 or 5 lines of text. to top it off, the guy was shooting at my team mate when i took him down. I decided not to even respond, not woth the argueement, especially considering he's fairly well respected on the server and here in these forums. Now I'm not a noob, I hold my own ok, considering i'm a 109 guy. But obviously, I dont play has much as some. Still, that typee of behaivor is uncalled for.

NOW,. the real kicker, and what bothers me most. Same guy, he gets a another kill in a battle with about 4 reds on 2 blues( not counting him). He takes out one red, and instead of staying around to help his team, he turns and heads instantly for home. I guess so he can get his precious points. That really sucks, he left his teammates who were out gunned and at a disadvantage. He only got credit for one kill, so Its hard for me to believe he was out of ammo or fuel. I have no respect for this guy now. I wont mention his name, because he's a member of a squad that I do respect. But holy cow, he whines about someone stealing his kill, and then does all that ****. No class in my book. I hope you know who you are. And I also hope others will consider this when in battle.

I know its only a game, but as serious as some of you guys take it, the good, respected guys shouldn't act like that. I hope some other who is more respected then i will call him out for it one day.

Good, I feel better now.

Thanks for listening

carguy_
07-16-2004, 01:35 PM
Elite pilots or those who proclaim themselves like it very often lose their nerves.

In DF servers it`s a complete joke cuz you can always respawn and get a kill.

Coop missions are a different tale.You beat a yak that he`s barely flying and then one guy wacks him out.

IMO in both cases complaining is worthless though.The one complaining makes look himself like an idiot.

Believe me,I flamed some guys numbers of times but after leaving HL i was ashamed.

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LW_lcarp
07-16-2004, 01:40 PM
Dont that just ruin a game for a person. As far as you being the kill stealer I would say no if the stang wasnt going down in flames then it wasnt his kill in the first place.

As far as him being the kill stealler for taking out the 39 you where in the process of taking down yes hes a kill stealer And a Point hound to top it off. God forbid you get shot down in a video game.

I find most kill stealers will go after the plane you have flaming and in the prosess of heading to the ground. And something ive noticed also with them is that they are usually in a LA or a Yak. Thats what ive noticed anyway

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diabloblanco1
07-16-2004, 01:43 PM
Get use to it. That is the nature of DF servers.

The Devil made me do it!

MEGILE
07-16-2004, 01:44 PM
Flying in a dogfight server is like taking a class in anthropology.. watching how people fight over a kill, and prey on smoking bandits, and twist and turn to save their lives...

I was in warclouds the other day and this guy was asking for help.. so someone came to his resuce.. however the next thing I saw in the text box

"Nameless ACE has crashed!"
"nameless ACE" - YOU NOOB!! when Im trying to help you and clear your 6 dont pull up so hard and friggin make me stall, im trying to help you and you pull up too hard.. Im never gonna help idiot noobs like you again..

or something along those lines.. LOL at first i thought shut up jack *** dont be so hard on the guy, and then my mind changed to.. what a complete looser..
Some people take it all to heart, like every death is a stain on their reputation.. and I guess like Cougar said.. they loose it.. they're holdin on too tight... make a mistake and start whinning like a teething baby http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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Dnmy
07-16-2004, 01:50 PM
Don't worry. You did the right thing.

Somebody who's getting worked up over a measly kill is not worth answering to anyway. If guys or your team make you feel bad, don't say a word. Let your guns speak. Switch teams and go hunt for them instead.

If somebody is BnZ-ing, as soon as he's zooming he's basically disengaging and anybody else on his team is good to attack the same target. That's a good way to keep the pressure on that target.

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"killstealing only exists in the minds of score*****s"

georgeo76
07-16-2004, 01:57 PM
Kill stealing is something Iā've just had to get used to. Still bothers me, but there is nothing you can do. Little wuss-puppys that scurry home to collect their points amuse me. In either case, these pilots show their true colors. And its funny how many well known pilots are just whiney little britches.

Supr
07-16-2004, 02:11 PM
your right, i see the same thing all the time.
You a bigger man then most by not getting in some arguement over it in the game. That just pisses everyone off. BTW, whats your in game name if you dont mind saying, I'll fly with you if i see you. If you want a half skilled wingman that is.

My favorite is when you shoot someone down who is activly shooting at a teammate, only to have someone else whine about you taking his kill. LOL, tell that to the guy he was was shooting at. He may have a different opinion about if it was a kill steal, or you just saving his butt. I know when i'm being shot at, I sure hope anyone who has a shot at my attacker, will take it, and as soon as possible. I'll take the blame for you stealing someones kill in that situation anytime.

Good luck, keep flying

BS87
07-16-2004, 02:14 PM
That's why i wish sometimes there was a way to disable my ability to chat, that way i wouldn't be tempted to respond.

JG52Uther
07-16-2004, 02:30 PM
HMMMM.I had a rant on here a couple of days ago (will you stop)probably did'nt acheive much but i felt better.I think you have to get used to it online.Some of these 'aces' just think you are there to get shot down,and dont like it when you go for them.dont be downhearted though, 95% of the guys are a great bunch!

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BaldieJr
07-16-2004, 02:30 PM
I can't believe you people still allow that chat interface to be visible.

georgeo76
07-16-2004, 02:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
I can't believe you people still allow that chat interface to be visible.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL! rgr that! will make your time on some servers go much smoother.

icrash
07-16-2004, 09:05 PM
Appearantly this guy is a firm believer in DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO. I's ok for him to screw people but God forbid you return the favor. A glory hog no doubt. Your attitude of "as long as the opposition get shot down it's all good" is correct IMHO. Afterall, second place is usually a bodybag in DF, better them than us. At least you are willing to put it on the line for the team for a greater good in the long run. He obviously thinks there is an "I" in the word team. Y'all may fly as the same color, but it is a team with an individual.

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Worf101
07-16-2004, 09:14 PM
You want to know something really funny? I'm doing offline AEP Campaign right now and my Squadron leader does the same damn thing every single time. Unless he's half a mile away, he'll leapfrog me to grab my hard earned kill every single time. He never covers my but and never does anything but yell at me for not covering his ***.

Sooooo I guess if people do this on line I shouldn't be surprised.

Da Worfster

"If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything!"

Buckaroo12
07-16-2004, 09:19 PM
I get a real kick out of people who lose it over getting shot-down by a friendly (accidently) or having someone "steal" their kill. I think a lot of people forget, that this is just a GAME! Imagine what sort of person they would turn into if they lost in real life! My personal philosophy is if an enemy aircraft is still flying with some semblence of control, it is fair game! I try to avoid engaging an enemy if I see someone else working him, but I will fall in behind my teammate to keep enemies off of his six. If for whatever reason he breaks off, I consider the bandit we were working as fair game for my guns. I've been cursed a couple of times for it but I figure if I put the effort into covering his butt, I deserve an honest chance at a kill for my work when I could've just as easily left him high and dry.

I've even had 1 guy tell me to leave "his" grid quadrant because he was there first and I should go patrol somewhere else. I promptly shot him down for his arrogance!

_VR_ScorpionWorm
07-16-2004, 09:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
I can't believe you people still allow that chat interface to be visible.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, just get rid of it.

BTW, just let him rant, if you were doing right, you were doing right. I only have problems with AI steal killing, online its expected and I dont mind. If a n00b or even an experienced player wants the kill so bad, Ill let him have it. I rarely see it happen in GG or WC(although I do admit I havnt played in either for sometime). I usually hook up with a good pilot by asking for a wingy if I go in a fighter and ask for an escort if I go in a bomber. Since you say he is a respected pilot amongst the community maybe he wasnt himself that day, or maybe somebody was flying under his tag while he was away. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Franzen
07-16-2004, 09:59 PM
I was accused of "kill stealing" once. I saw my teammate low and slow on the enemy's six. 109's against P-39's, our team 109's. Kicking up dust with full flaps against and P-39 is not the best situation. So I dropped in to cover him incase the P-39 out-turn him, which is exactly what happened. I shot the wing off the P-39 which was in the process of coming around to get my teammate.
My teammate starts yelling(caps lock and exclamation marks) and acusing me fo "kill stealing". Later that evening I caught him on MSN and asked him about it. He said it was nothing and apologized. He was just having a bad day. We still chat often and have even met, broke bread, and drank beer together.

I would say, don't take it personally, even though it really raises the blood pressure at the time. Everyone has bad days, even "kill stealers". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz Franzen

jazman777
07-16-2004, 10:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slingn:
Ok, i know this is an old subject, but I just had to post about it. ...

But I do have a bit of a beef. so heres the old subject. Kill stealing...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Just keep cultivating the team spirit. Down the other path lies, where all you worry about is your kill total, leads to ...Kill stealing.

Franzen
07-16-2004, 10:16 PM
That's deep. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

Fritz Franzen

WUAF_Badsight
07-16-2004, 11:57 PM
KILL STEALING

its always happened

happened yesterday

will happen tomorrow

get over it

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F19_Ob
07-17-2004, 03:32 AM
Dont worry about it slingn. It happens to all and I'm glad u are a teamplayer still.

Unfortunatly most of us dont get the whole picture of the fight we are involved in. Only when watching the tracks afterwards we se that the the fighter we were attacking already was under attack, or a million other things.

I like to think of myself as an agressive teamplayer. I risk everything to help a friendly if I can, and if I have an opportunity to shoot at an enemy from an advantage point I do so. When Im damaged and chased I try to occupy the enemy as long as I can and survive hopefully.
If I end up trailing an enemy with other teammates I usually brake and go up to give topcover, wich often gives me easy kills anyway.


Sometimes someone shoots past me at my target, I often break off because he might be in a better position to shoot , or maybe he is shooting at an enemy on my tail. I sometimes also zoom down on an enemy that is chased, BnZ'ing until the other friendly or I bring him down.( a tactic I often use when I fly in pairs. One BnZ and the other occupy the enemy).

Although I have an ok "lookaround-routine" I still miss many things happening around me.
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Many misinterpret situations online, and will respond in their own way to what they "think" happened.(in the heat of battle)
Personally I always try to be polite, but I have still made clumsy comments sometimes....wich I always regret afterwards...even if they werent bad. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



Just keep up the good work mate!!

Antisub
07-17-2004, 06:43 AM
I want to appologize up front to anyone I ever stole a kill from, though considering my average is 1 kill per 20 flights that shouldn't be too many of you... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

I'm not a score*****, and I often forget others are. On the rare occassion an enemy gets in front of me, with his tail pointed at me, I shoot (at) him. It's usually not till after, when I see it credited to me, that I review the situation and realize maybe I should have held back and let the other guy finish the kill. If you've got him smoking, you should get to finish him. However, like several of you said, and in the heat of the moment... it's the enemy, shoot him down! especially if he's strafing the base.

You're right, though, about the "do as I say, not as I do'ers."

And my favorite kill is flying the enemy into the ground, where I get absolutely no points at all. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Amanda_Hugnkiss
07-17-2004, 09:52 AM
Well personally I don't fly in DF missions for that very reason. I fly strictly Co-Op. You only get one plane and one chance to come out a winner. You have to work as a team to successfully complete a mission in a Co-Op. In DF missions if you know you will get another plane and another chance then the only thing driving you is the points. Someone who is truely "well respected" will not act like the bunghole you mentioned. They will gain the respect because they act in an honorable fashion. This bloke just needs somethnig to brag about when he goes to work at the local burger hut. If he is the reprobate you noted you should unmask him for the slug he is and name names. If the squad, which he belongs to, is so honorable, maybe they shouldn't have him as a member either.

There have been many missions I have flown where I didn't get a single kill because I was assisting a wingman accomplish a task in the overall mission. That is the way it was in real life. And the pilots who acted like this guy, in the real war, didn't live long any way. Too bad it isn't like that in FB.

If enough people see this person for the jerk that he is, he will be flying solo missions because no one will want him around. Unmask him.

Slingn
07-17-2004, 11:32 AM
thanks, good to see some still believe in teamplay.

As I said, i can care less about "kill-stealing" or vulching for that matter. Its the whining and hypocrisy that wears me out.

I wont throw out any names. I dont want to act like a little kid telling on some guy who i only had one bad experience with, but I just hope his other teammates and squad mates see it if he does it consistantly. Like was pointed out, he's be flying solo if enoungh others see the same thng about the same guy. Its hard to hide a bad attitude in a small community like this. I will say that he hasn't posted in this thread.

Thanks again. feels better to see some others think the same way.

BTW, another good point is I never see this in coops. More coops would be nice. too bad a good coop is hard to find most of the time.

Kasdeya
07-17-2004, 11:51 AM
Hey Slingn,

The 361st vFG flies almost exclusively in Coops. Anyone is welcome to join, although it is mostly American type aircraft. We usually fly every night between 6pm EST to 12pm EST.

Always fun, never easy. Its the only way.

BTW keep doin what you been doin, never know when you'll need the help.

S!
Kas

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jensenpark
07-17-2004, 12:30 PM
I think (and I will stress here: it is my opinion only) that accusations of kill stealing are thrown around more than it actually (purposely) happens.
In our limited 2D world, I've had times where someone has blown up my target out from under me, and quickly sent a 'sorry, did not see you there' and I have done the same to others.

Last night I was in Warclouds and had my He111 shot up so I bailed...well the bloody thing flew (absolutely shredded and on fire) for about 1 km out, then made a soft turn back toward me and my 4 crewmen...drawing back the p47's chasing it. Now here I was floating down watching 2 p47's chase a dead bird that wouldn't go down. One of them was the one who did all the damage to the engines/controls and disabled the plane (and got the 'rightful kill')...but the thing kept going long after I bailed out...neither of the 47 jockeys would have known as the he111 just kept going and going so kept making pass after pass at it. Finally it crashed - but only after I floated from 500m down to the water.
So technically one was a kill stealer - though intentionaly not.
Of course I had to be a jerk and send a chat making fun of them for chasing a dead bird - but I was bitter at being shot down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Franzen
07-18-2004, 07:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
_KILL STEALING_

its always happened

happened yesterday

will happen tomorrow

get over it

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Hey! he speaks like a "kill stealer"! Git'em boyz! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

Ha ha ha, just kidding. I know Badsight and have flown with him. Good guy. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz Franzen

Farkitt_
07-18-2004, 08:00 AM
good guy, just acts like a ***** http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif jks.

I have noticed a lack of Team spirit alot too. On a few occasions I have "Rescued" or intervened, in a lone bloke being chased by 1 or 2 or even three or four Krauts. Most of the time, after you do your bit to clear thier six, they bug out and leave ya too it.

Only one bloke has said thanks so far and I don't remember his name. But he congratulated me on my shooting http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif which would stick in anyones memory! And It was a great shot too..... Jks.

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Mysticpuma2003
07-18-2004, 09:06 AM
Well, I have to say that kill stealing does grate, but in the end I just bite my tongue and move on. It wont achieve anything to flame the guy, it just takes more of your time typing than flying, so why bother? I flew on a DF server the other day, where one team-mate was in a He-111. He asked for cover on a torpedo run, so I obliged by covering him from 3k high. Once on going for the harbor attack he was bounced but I took down the enemy, and then on his return again he was attacked but I managed to shoot that bandit down too. Now I have to say, that I got so much more satisfaction out of that game, than I do with just an Airborne Quake server. I mean, I was working with a buddy, my points came about by protecting him, and we both (in a sort of way) were successful in the harbor attack, because he reached and returned from his sortie. As he landed at base, I dipped wings over his smoking engines which brought a flash of the Nav lights from him and went back out again to help bring another bomber home who had no cover, as the other players were taking out enemy heading towards him but not in range. That felt like a 'proper' game, probably one of the best sessions I've had.
If I have one gripe, and again it's point related but still hurts, it's when your on a bandits six, you have your shot lined up and start your guns firing. Then ( and this is my oppinion) some noob flys in from 10-12 o'clock high, trying to get a shot off in a B'n'Z, and subsequently flies straight through your bullets and then flames you because you shot him!!!! Again, I'll ignore the messages because players who know you, know that his/her accusations are just hot air because of their own incompetence. Still that's not too much of a gripe! Cheers, Neil.

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El Turo
07-18-2004, 01:13 PM
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Dude, where's my kill?