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Papa_K
05-28-2004, 11:21 PM
I've been putting together a coop (or two) for P-39s, P-40s, P-38s, and US Spitfires (31st or 52nd FG, which are even available on the squadron list), along with US bombers. Opposition includes Bf-109G-2, Fw-190A-4, Ju-87, etc.

And then I tested the mission from the Spitfire perspective.

Result: Until the overheat tendency is reduced on the Spitfires, they're relegated to being AI-only on the desert map.

For an airplane that actually did operate under desert conditions, the Spits sure doesn't react that way in the game right now.

Overheating tendencies are one thing, being unable to even keep mid-throttle positions is another. The Spitfire was the ONLY aircraft type in the mission debilitated by the desert map. (I guess the Bf-110 has problems too, but I haven't used it on the desert map yet.)

If this is the way it's going to be...

I'd sure like to see a winter desert map.

Papa_K

Papa_K
05-28-2004, 11:21 PM
I've been putting together a coop (or two) for P-39s, P-40s, P-38s, and US Spitfires (31st or 52nd FG, which are even available on the squadron list), along with US bombers. Opposition includes Bf-109G-2, Fw-190A-4, Ju-87, etc.

And then I tested the mission from the Spitfire perspective.

Result: Until the overheat tendency is reduced on the Spitfires, they're relegated to being AI-only on the desert map.

For an airplane that actually did operate under desert conditions, the Spits sure doesn't react that way in the game right now.

Overheating tendencies are one thing, being unable to even keep mid-throttle positions is another. The Spitfire was the ONLY aircraft type in the mission debilitated by the desert map. (I guess the Bf-110 has problems too, but I haven't used it on the desert map yet.)

If this is the way it's going to be...

I'd sure like to see a winter desert map.

Papa_K

Destraex
05-29-2004, 12:17 AM
THe spits int he game are NOT tropical\desert versions

If they were you would see giant sand filters and a heavier slower aircraft

http://koti.mbnet.fi/~jjuvonen/photos/spit5_3.jpg

AirBot
05-29-2004, 02:56 AM
A winter desert map? What do you expect, snow? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

P.S. - Gain a bit of alt and the Spitfire behaves considerably better.

TheGozr
05-29-2004, 04:02 AM
No cold mornings and nights http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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HellToupee
05-29-2004, 04:52 AM
the later desert spits did not have huge filters on them.

http://lamppost.mine.nu/ahclan/files/sigs/spitwhiners1.jpg

Locust_
05-29-2004, 05:37 AM
p38 & p51s donot have huge sand filters on them either & they manage heat well in the desert...

Many ac do fine in the desert Spit doesnot seem to be one of them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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ptegomerpyle
05-29-2004, 05:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AirBot:
A winter desert map? What do you expect, snow? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

P.S. - Gain a bit of alt and the Spitfire behaves considerably better.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Winter does happen in the desert, just ask the family of the sas trooper who died in gulf war mk.1

he died of the cold and they were getting snowed on but only had standard desert kit instead of artic clothing.

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Red_Storm
05-29-2004, 06:01 AM
I don't know in which sort of weird, weird third dimension you guys are flying, but the desert overheat comes as quick as on any other map. Oleg did not model desert heat, he only modeled the map, no more. I've flown loads of Spits on the desert map and none of them have the excessive overheating you are talking about.

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Bewolf
05-29-2004, 07:29 AM
Red_Storm

Try flying on sea level, and you'll see, "every" single plane overheats pretty quickly and is darn hard too cool down.

That said, once you are over 2000 meters overheating levels get pretty normal again.

This all makes pretty much sense to me, though. So no complaints on my side.

Bewolf

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Johan217
05-29-2004, 07:35 AM
That said, has anyone managed to recreate something that looks like a sandstorm? Would be nice to spice up some missions http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Covino
05-29-2004, 07:36 AM
Open up radiators all the way. Lower your engine RPM using prop pitch. Always keep speed up (stay away from turning fights). Stay away from wep. Run your throttle a little lower than usual. Try to stay high.
These pointers should keep you safe on the desert map in any plane but I know you Spitflyers love to get low, slow, and gritty. Try looking at your fighting/flying style before looking at the plane.

p1ngu666
05-29-2004, 08:28 AM
funny enuff the yak9 copes well
didnt know it snowed when that guy died http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif
didnt they dump most of there kit aswell ?
but it does get really cold in desert, nothing to trap the heat

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Korolov
05-29-2004, 08:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Red_Storm:
I don't know in which sort of weird, weird third dimension you guys are flying, but the desert overheat comes as quick as on any other map. Oleg did not model desert heat, he only modeled the map, no more. I've flown loads of Spits on the desert map and none of them have the excessive overheating you are talking about.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You need to look more closely, then. Ambient sea level temperature at midday on the desert map is 40C.

http://www.mechmodels.com/images/newsig1.jpg

Papa_K
05-29-2004, 11:02 AM
Winter desert map could be exactly the same with the heat turned down.

Spit Mk Vs did have a sand filter mod, but as far as I can tell that's not a radiator/cooling mod.

Spit radiator is automatic, rpm has to be at or below the lower 50% range for continuous ops without overheat.

The problem is that this doesn't cause as much of a problem with MOST aircraft in the game.

Is this modelled after something in reality? Did someone mention an overheat on Spits in the desert - more so than any other aircraft that regularly operated there?

Papa_K

Papa_K
05-29-2004, 11:16 AM
A little bit OT, but it has to do with US Spitfires in North Africa:

http://www.star-games.com/exhibits/spitfire/spitops.html

The time frame in question is Nov '42 through late '43 -- winter map applies (and improves playability).

There is also mention of guns not operating because of sand...I wonder if we'll get that now (in the Spit only of course http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif).

Papa_K

Locust_
05-29-2004, 11:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Red_Storm:
the desert overheat comes as quick as on any other map. Oleg did not model desert heat, he only modeled the map, no more. I've flown loads of Spits on the desert map and none of them have the excessive overheating you are talking about.
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Bullchit your either an idiot or an idiot..

Fly it in a winter map & time the overheat

Fly it in desert do the same

Fly it in Summermap do the same

Theres a big differance !!!

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Locust_
05-29-2004, 11:26 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Korolov:
You need to look more closely, then. Ambient sea level temperature at midday on the desert map is 40C.


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Hey korolov how do I see the temp of any certain map please ?

is there a command in the command console ?

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Dawg-of-death
05-29-2004, 11:39 AM
Due to numerous (To many to count) complants I have choosen to temporarily turn off engine heat.................on the sands of time map

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LEBillfish
05-29-2004, 12:39 PM
I really like the overheat aspect as it changes everything in how you must fly.....No more of the rediculous full throttle screaming all over the place. Aspects of the sim like this are what make it what it is IMLTHO.

I'd like to see more of it, the problems between extreme cold to extreme heat. Remember, the Germans had a terrible time in the Russian winter much of it due to the close tolerances in engines and such....things either broke or just point wouldn't move having shrunk so badly.

Sound rediculous?.....I saw a show about the Ice Highway (think that is the name of it) in Canada. The drivers were taling about repairing their trucks on the road....Steel would crack and break due to the cold though my guess mostly shrinkage expanding exiting cracks.

SO heat and cold results are fine by me.....Why this sim is so appealing.

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Red_Storm
05-29-2004, 02:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Locust_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Red_Storm:
the desert overheat comes as quick as on any other map. Oleg did not model desert heat, he only modeled the map, no more. I've flown loads of Spits on the desert map and none of them have the excessive overheating you are talking about.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bullchit your either an idiot or an idiot..

Fly it in a winter map & time the overheat

Fly it in desert do the same

Fly it in Summermap do the same

Theres a big differance !!!

http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v61/AFJ_Locust/p38loco1sig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are very mature. How about calling my family names to get other people's respect too?

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gombal40
05-29-2004, 03:32 PM
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locust must see about his temp himself. Running a bit high not?? Not good for you.

hos8367
05-29-2004, 03:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Locust_:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Korolov:
You need to look more closely, then. Ambient sea level temperature at midday on the desert map is 40C.


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Hey korolov how do I see the temp of any certain map please ?

is there a command in the command console ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe by looking at the "Carburetor intake air temperature gauge" in certain planes like in the P-38 here (#15):

http://www.partizanska-eskadrila.com/reference/p38.htm

Johan217
05-29-2004, 05:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEBillfish:
I'd like to see more of it, the problems between extreme cold to extreme heat. Remember, the Germans had a terrible time in the Russian winter much of it due to the close tolerances in engines and such....things either broke or just point wouldn't move having shrunk so badly.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I totally agree with that!

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T_O_A_D
05-29-2004, 09:00 PM
I have a Desert Hosted up 131st_Dedicated right now with a Thunderstorm. They only come every 10 years or so. So you better go wash off your aircraft LOL It will rotate if I have script right to two different weather senarios. Depending on winner. Thunderstorm one will defently be a Ground pounding mission.

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