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Claire_Chennaul
02-09-2004, 02:53 AM
Hi,

Iam new to FB. My fav plane is the P 40. Could some of the Aces here give me soe tips on how ti fight with that beauty? On the virtualpilots server I was yesterday able to shoot down a 109 G6 late by keeping me airspeed high and turning with her.

Claire_Chennaul
02-09-2004, 02:53 AM
Hi,

Iam new to FB. My fav plane is the P 40. Could some of the Aces here give me soe tips on how ti fight with that beauty? On the virtualpilots server I was yesterday able to shoot down a 109 G6 late by keeping me airspeed high and turning with her.

CoFRBooBoo
02-09-2004, 04:37 AM
The P-40 is a decent match for early war aircraft, with the possible exception of the Bf.109 series. Good turn rate at low altitudes, but not as fast. Turn rate at high altitude is a bit sluggish, and the Allison engines used in the P-40 series just weren't up to the task in thin air.

Best tactic is to come in from above, make a slashing dive attack, then work your way back up to altitude and repeat. Accurate gunnery is a MUST with this tactic, as your engagement time is very limited. You can try to turn with someone, but will bleed off airspeed in a hurry. In ACM (Air Combat Manuevering), Speed is Life.

Capt.LoneRanger
02-09-2004, 04:51 AM
You can B&Z with any fast plane. That's not tactic, but BFM.

The P40 combines speed and turnrate. It just lacks the power to maintain speed over a longer time, if in close turns.

If you want to score in P40 set convergence to less than 300 (actually at 200 it's quite deadly). As in all many gun-small caliber a/c, this gives you a better punch.
Now, if you engage and get the chance for a shot, aim for the engine and cockpit, or, just in front of the enemy and Spray'n'Pray, if you're not that good in deflection shooting.
Killing the engine or pilot is the best way to score. Aiming for the wings is waste of ammo, as well as shooting from dead six.
Another tip: Since everybody seems to be flying with D9, La7 and Ki/Zero: Stay low and never fly straight for more than 10 seconds. That will give those speed-junkies a hard time to get an angle on you, without crashing. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


greets
Capt.LoneRanger

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IAF-JiNjI
02-09-2004, 05:07 AM
you can read here to see some tips(it is for ACES HIGH but it can help you alot):
http://www.telusplanet.net/~dsoder/P40E.htm

Stalker58
02-09-2004, 05:18 AM
I have track from VirtualPilots with JimmyGiro in P40 working out 3 Bf109 and a B239.It's prove that in experienced hands the Warhawk can be quite deadly...and NO those Bf109 were't flyed by noobs, but more like old, experienced LLev jocks

Altitude, speed, manoeuvre and.... CRASH!

p1ngu666
02-09-2004, 08:08 AM
dives VERY well btw http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
like can dive away from 190's http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BaldieJr
02-09-2004, 08:26 AM
I like the P40 a lot. Its balanced. In early war, you get to TnB OR BnZ all you want. Its a good tool in a furball. Just practice with it. Try QMB against 4-8 aces (P40's), but turn off vulnerability untill you've got a good idea of what the bird can do. Always restart the mission when the AI will no longer fight (they're out of ammo).

Late war (La7-type-insanity), stay low and let them come down to you. You'll probably get killed by the 500-meter spray-and-pray, but if you can side-step em, sometimes you can force an overshoot and cut thier bellies open.

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Capt.LoneRanger
02-09-2004, 10:17 AM
You stand a good chance against LA/D9/Ki. Most of the people using these planes online do so, because they're noobs or think they can score an easy kill. The servers are full of those uberplane-noobs.
Doing barrel-rolls and staying low will cause them to overshoot or even smash into the ground - or into you...
Experienced this a lot of times and usually they leave the server after loosing against a P40 =)


greets
Capt.LoneRanger

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Old_Canuck
02-09-2004, 10:59 AM
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Ok ...

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OC

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Xnomad
02-09-2004, 11:07 AM
Don't forget your fire extinguisher, everytime I fire at one of em P-40s it goes up in flames....scarey stuff!

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F19_Ob
02-09-2004, 11:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Claire_Chennaul:
Hi,

Iam new to FB. My fav plane is the P 40. Could some of the Aces here give me soe tips on how ti fight with that beauty? On the virtualpilots server I was yesterday able to shoot down a 109 G6 late by keeping me airspeed high and turning with her.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Congrats on your kill!!

Yes it is a very good plane and the best advice ( suggestion) I can give is to always try to gain altitude, especially before going into a furball. This way u will have energy to spare and u might even catch BnZ aces.

the mg's are also good at distance and can criple a BnZ 109 easily so he is unable to fight.

(Beginning to enjoy it myself)

StellarRat
02-09-2004, 12:57 PM
It has an excellent roll rate and can turn with just about anything. Be careful under 250 kph it tends to stall suddenly. If you practice your deflection shooting, set your guns to 200 and get in close you can shoot down people left and right in a furball.

Slater_51st
02-09-2004, 01:31 PM
S!
One game, I managed to catch a pretty experienced 190 A-9 pilot at the top of his BnZ pullout, and lemme tell u, it felt goood. He coudln't have been doing over 200 kph. I've also managed to avoid being downed by 3 109Gs at low alt without ailerons by using throttle and flaps to out turn them. I truly feel the P-40E is a haws. It takes damage, it turns nice, and it dives nice as well. Just get alt before you do anything. You can always catch some screwball down low and make him eat dirt, hehe.

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tttiger
02-09-2004, 01:38 PM
Uh, Lone Ranger, first you give the guy advice (good advice at that) and then you go on a rant against noobs (which is what the guy who asked the question admits he is).

If we want this sim to grow and survive, I suggest we drop that noob bullcrap and start welcoming newcomers.

We were all newbies once.

And while there are some planes that are easier to fly than others (the Russians design most of their equipment to be user-friendly because their soldiers aren't very sophisticated) and they are good planes to start on, that doesn't mean you can't continue to fly them during your whole career. The fact the Soviets were smart enough to make them easy to fly doesn't mean they weren't highly capable. Quite the opposite. I would take an AK over an M-16 any day (in fact, I did, in the RVN).

Unless you have some real ego problems that require you to act superior, it would be nice if you wel comed newcomers rather than badmouthed them.

Aloha, Gen. Chennault and welcome to FB. With respect, sir, may I suggest you do your posting at SimHQ forums instead of here? The riff-raff factor isn't quite as high over at the other board http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ttt

"I want the one that kills the best with the least amount of risk to me"

-- Chuck Yeager describing "The Best Airplane."

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tttiger
02-09-2004, 01:50 PM
Regarding the P-40, now that it's been patched so it doesn't auto-explode in a dive (like the P-47. diving is what it does best) here are some real world tips:

http://home.earthlink.net/~jimdoss/Capt_De_Haven.htm

You'll find some good tips at
http://www.danford.net/index.htm


P-40 can turnfight a little but it's primarily a boom and zoom plane. Stay high, stay fast (climb speed above 200 mph, level flight above 250 mph -- NOT kph). When in trouble, you can dive away from just about any earky war plane (but you gotta have air under you).

Watch your prop pitch and the red line on your RPM gauge. The P40 is one of the few Allied aircraft in which you can break something if your RPMs get too high. I normally fly it at 85%, push it up to 95% during climb and down to 75% or less in a dive. I'm not sure what breaks if you over-rev it; you can still fly it but just barely.

If you insist on playing in those dogfight arenas (Coops are muxch more realistic), stay on the outside of the furballs, stay high and look for loners. Hit and run, hit and run, if you turn more than 90 degrees you're doing it wrong and one of his buddies will spot you and shoot you down.

It's a great plane in early war. I have a Dynamic Campaign Generator campaign set up using the Crimea map as a stand-in for Burma in the spring of 1942. The Allied planes are P-40s and Brewster Buffalos. Great fun! By mid war It's outclassed and the LW really tore them up in North Africa. I'd limit my use of it to 1942.

Good luck!

ttt

"I want the one that kills the best with the least amount of risk to me"

-- Chuck Yeager describing "The Best Airplane."

[This message was edited by tttiger on Mon February 09 2004 at 12:58 PM.]

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