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jobace
03-04-2004, 11:28 AM
don't hear (read) anything about it.....

[This message was edited by jobace on Thu March 04 2004 at 10:39 AM.]

jobace
03-04-2004, 11:28 AM
don't hear (read) anything about it.....

[This message was edited by jobace on Thu March 04 2004 at 10:39 AM.]

R_Mutt
03-04-2004, 11:54 AM
uber, not the i'm whining kind of uber, cause I really don't know the actual performance of it, but the damn that's a good "ground attack" plane kinda uber. Has the most loadouts of any plane I've ever seen. It would take you all night just to try them all I'd think.

Me-110 fans won't be disappointed

FW190fan
03-04-2004, 12:02 PM
I already posted an "I love the 110 thread" :-)

It's just awesome - possibly one of the very best ground pounders in the sim. It has a TON of loadout options, and can shred bombers if there is no escort around.

Good turn rate, but controls are heavy through med/high speeds as they should be.

Devastating forward firepower and loads of charachter. Very versatile.

New German Bf110 campaign as well.

It's one of my very favorites of all a/c for sure.

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Red_Russian13
03-04-2004, 12:15 PM
The 110 was really the main a/c that I was waiting for (along with the P-38). And you know what? I love it. I mean, it's got it's weaknesses, like the difficulty flying with one engine, but that's the way it was. It, along with the 109, are my favorite WWII a/c. I'm glad I can now fly it.

jobace
03-04-2004, 12:36 PM
thanx can't wait .......
damn why do i always have to relog if i want to post something

jurinko
03-04-2004, 12:44 PM
110? Like here..

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=717109652

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Jumoschwanz
03-04-2004, 01:00 PM
I took my group of four 110s, along with a mix of other axis planes against sixteen yak3s.

When I tried to zoom and boom it at high speed of course it did not want to pull out of the dive.

When I slowed down a bit and got in the furball of course I was shot down. Just as I expected and just how it should be.

Great plane though. Surely a ground attack monster.

Jumoschwanz

Bansai Potato
03-04-2004, 01:06 PM
gimme gimme gimme.

The 110 is my most eagerly awaited axis aircraft, great stuff, only i still got to wait :-(

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TgD Thunderbolt56
03-04-2004, 01:11 PM
Dogfighter? not much of one.

Bomber buster? extraordinaire!

Mudmover? second only to the IL2 (and maybe the jug)



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xenios
03-04-2004, 01:38 PM
As everyone has said, it really shines in ground attack and destroying heavy bombers. Really nothing, not even the jets, is better for destroying bombers--although good luck surviving any fighter escort. Set the cannons for 700m or so, and snipe away before they can fire back--that's what they did historically.

Except for a lack a decent rockets (only 4 Wfr.Gr. is available), it is as good or better than the IL2 in ground attack. I say this because it is durable and carry multiple heavy bombs, twin Mk 108s, or various combinations. It doesn't fly well with a dead or dying engine, but one good engine can usually get you back to base or at least friendly territory. The rear gun seems to have an even more limited field than the Stuka D.

Tried it against the other twin engine fighters, the Pe-3 and P-38. With default weapons it is a decent fighter, at least it feels more nimble than the Jug. The default armament is excellent against fighters--4 center line Mg17s do more damage than you'd expect, and plenty of ammo for spray'n'pray. Tried it against the other twin engine fighers, the Pe-3 and the P-38. The AI Pe-3s are real acrobats with dangerous rear gunners; it made for a wild dogfight (4 vs 2) but I could get all 4 four with only a little engine damage.

For some reason AI P-38s were even easier, no challenge really. Which is strange, because the P-38 is a joy to fly firsthand, and naturally a better pure fighter. It is the other great plane in this package. It also benefits from the center line guns, and even though it only has one 20mm, it's the Hispano Whoopass 2000 model. Aces is worth the money just for these two planes, and the Gladiator J8 cockpit, of course.

steve_v
03-04-2004, 02:51 PM
No one has yet to mention the audio aspect of having two engines abreast instead of one ahead. Had the speakers cranked last night. Love it for all the reasons stated above.

Maj_Death
03-04-2004, 03:02 PM
The Bf-110G2 will not disappoint anyone. She actually performs better than I expected in regards to climb rate. I thought she would get 15m/s tops, currently she gets 20m/s tops below 1000m. Above 1000m it drops to 16-17m/s. It certainly isn't one of the better climbers but it is no pig either. Firepower and bomb loadouts are very impressive. She is also just fun to fly because she has very unique handling. One engined flight is not a problem although you won't be climbing very fast with only one engine. All controls are trimable which is very nice. The cockpit is well laid out and the instruments are easy to read even without cockpit lights on. I would not consider the Bf-110 a good dogfighter but if you know how to use the tail gun then you can really tick off the reds. I have yet to shoot down a human with the nose guns but I have 3-4 human kills per loss using the tail gun. Durability is also very good although the gunner's station is vulnerable.

Conclusion is the Bf-110G2 is an uber jabo and a good interceptor. Air superiority is not her strong point but she can put up a tough fight.

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oFZo
03-04-2004, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by jobace:
damn why do i always have to relog if i want to post something

Log in at the Ubi forum index, it'll "remember" you.

-oFZo

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maverick7614
03-04-2004, 04:41 PM
One of my books that im currently reading "Battle of Brittian" says that the 110 was kind of sluggish compared to the allied fighters. It also mentioned that B&Z tactics were not deployed because of slower climb rates than the hurri and spit. So my question is... on the campain (if there is one for the 110) does the AI use the circular formation to cover eachothers sixes? If so that would be great!! So can anyone back me up on this??!!

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BS87
03-04-2004, 04:43 PM
If you rule out the Il2 as a mudmover (because it was soley dedicated to that, and its like a slow, lumbering heavy bomber), then the Bf110 is only second in ground attack to the P38. I say that because 10 rockets and 2 1000lb bombs will wreack terror on any airfeild. ANY. But when it comes to bomber busting, the Bf110 is by FAR better.

blairgowrie
03-04-2004, 04:56 PM
You may have to turn off force feedback when you fire the big cannon. Awesome shake on my Microsloth FFB2 stick. Makes chunks out of a B17.

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Magister__Ludi
03-04-2004, 05:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maj_Death:
The Bf-110G2 will not disappoint anyone. She actually performs better than I expected in regards to climb rate. I thought she would get 15m/s tops, currently she gets 20m/s tops below 1000m. Above 1000m it drops to 16-17m/s. It certainly isn't one of the better climbers but it is no pig either. Firepower and bomb loadouts are very impressive. She is also just fun to fly because she has very unique handling. One engined flight is not a problem although you won't be climbing very fast with only one engine. All controls are trimable which is very nice. The cockpit is well laid out and the instruments are easy to read even without cockpit lights on. I would not consider the Bf-110 a good dogfighter but if you know how to use the tail gun then you can really tick off the reds. I have yet to shoot down a human with the nose guns but I have 3-4 human kills per loss using the tail gun. Durability is also very good although the gunner's station is vulnerable.

Conclusion is the Bf-110G2 is an uber jabo and a good interceptor. Air superiority is not her strong point but she can put up a tough fight.
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Very nice Maj_Death, it's just what I was expecting http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

sfbaytf
03-04-2004, 06:05 PM
How does the ME110 do against competent fighter attacks?

Maj_Death
03-04-2004, 06:15 PM
It does pretty good if you are a good gunner or have a good gunner and the enemy isn't flying something with an AT gun. It can absorb a large amount of 12.7mm and 20mm. 37mm's take it apart quick though. But that is to be expected. It is definatly not a T&Ber or a B&Zer. It's more of a head on attacker and shoot'em in the head with the tail guns type plane. For dogfighting it would not be one of my first picks but for jabo and bomber killing it is very good. If you get jumped by fighters, there is a good chance of survival. Whether or not you kill your attacker depends on your ability to shoot the tail guns while flying. But even if you don't kill him you could potentially run him out of ammo. The Bf-110G2 is a very tough bird.

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Rallo
03-04-2004, 07:02 PM
Has anyone tried the G2's 37 mm loadout and noticed how inaccurate the 37 mm is? Even at extreme close range against air or ground targets, the rounds seem to fall WAY too short.

Could this be a bug or was it made like this?

Maj_Death
03-04-2004, 07:04 PM
I noticed that too. The round strikes below the base of the gunsight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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EldOVed
03-04-2004, 10:33 PM
Yea the 37mm cannon is a bastard to aim. I can only hit trains with it. If you look at the plane in external view you will notice the 37mm
kinda points, downwards? But other wise I get a woody when flying this Babe.

BlackHawkLeader
03-04-2004, 11:11 PM
Looking forward to flying the 110 in combat in Il-2 FB.
We killed a lot of Hurricanes in European Air War flying the 110 in organised Online War.

It will be interesting to test the flight model, if your in a fur ball and find you have a 110 in your face amongst it all, your basicly dead.
No fighter can survive the concentrated fire power in the nose of the 110, even bombers are ripped to shreds.
S!

Bearcat99
03-04-2004, 11:39 PM
The 110 is nice... I just flew it tonight......

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DONB3397
03-04-2004, 11:48 PM
After the BoB, I recall that the 110 was used in the west primarily as a nightfighter and interceptor (until long range escorts). It excelled in the former role. Is there anything about the FB version of this a/c that helps at night? For me, on my rig, that's a tough environment.

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Maj_Death
03-04-2004, 11:54 PM
I havn't tested it at night but there is one advantage I am fairly certain it has. It should provide superior forward visability in low light conditions compared to single engined fighters. I say this because when night fighting in the past with the Fw-190's, I always noticed that looking through the propellor made things much darker. The Bf-110 has no prop infront of the cockpit so it *should* have better forward visability at night. I havn't tested it yet though.

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