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XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 11:45 AM
Can anyone give me any details of Kozhedub's time as a Mig 15 pilot over Korea? Did he take part in any combats or score any kills? Any info would be greatly appreciated because I can't seem to find anything out about it!

XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 11:45 AM
Can anyone give me any details of Kozhedub's time as a Mig 15 pilot over Korea? Did he take part in any combats or score any kills? Any info would be greatly appreciated because I can't seem to find anything out about it!

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 10:17 PM
Have no idea but doubt that Russians would risk three times Hero of the SSSR shot down... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 10:30 PM
Koshedub was undertaking operational sorties over Korea in April 1951,



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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 10:33 PM
I have read somewhere that his unit did not do very well. S

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 10:41 PM
I don't think he flew operationally, Here is a website that can get you started. He did command a unit in korea, however. http://www.acepilots.com/russian/rus_aces.html

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 10:43 PM
Stalin personnaly forbid Kozhedub to fly in combat over Korea, so he didn't see any action in this conflict.

But Popkov, 41 individual kills in WWII, flew there and scored three more kills.

In fact, Kozhedub's unit was one of the most successfull units over Korea, claiming 258 kills (but, because of the high overclaim rate, the actual tally must be closer to 100) for the loss of 50 Migs and 10 pilots.

A noteworthy point is that Kozhedub forbid his pilots to fly in combat until they were allowed by the high command to speak russian on the radio (which was forbidden to the soviet units engaged over Korea before), considering they had no chance in air combat if they couldn't communicate normally.

I know the soviet claims over Korea are heavily contested, and there was, no doubt, a relatively high overclaim rate but it was of about 60-65 percents only (look the ACIG website for details).

One could wonder how this (which leads to about 350-400 air kills) can be while the USAF admitted only about 120 aircraft lost in air combat.

In fact, the US figures, while correct, are only for aircraft known lost in air combat over ennemy and sea, and for a reliable overview of the combats we should add to these all the aircraft lost for unknown reason which were in fact shot down by Migs ("unknown reason" was, with AAA, the main cause of UN air losses over Korea), all the aircrafts crashed in friendly held territory, all the planes from other UN nations (though there were few of them), and the write-offs.

Given these elements, and the fact the soviets lost 345 Migs to all causes (in the air and on the ground (only a hanfull on the ground)), the air war over Korea appears to have been more or less equilibrated as far as the soviet pilots were concerned (the North Koreans and to a lesser extent the Chinese, ill-trained, ill-led, and even ill-fed were easy preys for well trained and experienced UN pilots).