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AirBot
01-25-2004, 01:46 PM
I'm looking to upgrade my graphics card (Currently a GeForce 4 MX420.) and wanted some advice from people who might be more knowledgeable than I am. Here are my main choices:

ABIT GeForce FX5700 128MB - $175
ABIT GeForce FX5600 Ultra 128MB - $195
Gainward GeForce FX5600 128MB - $160
eVGA GeForce FX5700 Ultra 128MB - $245
FIC Radeon 9600 128MB - $160
FIC Radeon 9600 Pro 128MB - $215
Sapphir (sic?) (ATi) Radeon 9600XT 128MB - $225

I'm leaning towards the 9600XT, but wanted some advice:
- How do the 9600Pro, 9600 and 9600XT compare to each other? Is the performance difference significant?
- How about the FX5700 Ultra and non-Ultra? How big is the performance difference?
- How do the FX5600 Ultra and non-Ultra compare to their younger FX5700 siblings?
- And of course, which one would you pick and why?

Answers to any and all of these question or just some relevant information on topic are highly appreciated. The full list of cards available to me can be found at http://www.ksp.co.il . (Although the prices are in NIS.)

AirBot
01-25-2004, 01:46 PM
I'm looking to upgrade my graphics card (Currently a GeForce 4 MX420.) and wanted some advice from people who might be more knowledgeable than I am. Here are my main choices:

ABIT GeForce FX5700 128MB - $175
ABIT GeForce FX5600 Ultra 128MB - $195
Gainward GeForce FX5600 128MB - $160
eVGA GeForce FX5700 Ultra 128MB - $245
FIC Radeon 9600 128MB - $160
FIC Radeon 9600 Pro 128MB - $215
Sapphir (sic?) (ATi) Radeon 9600XT 128MB - $225

I'm leaning towards the 9600XT, but wanted some advice:
- How do the 9600Pro, 9600 and 9600XT compare to each other? Is the performance difference significant?
- How about the FX5700 Ultra and non-Ultra? How big is the performance difference?
- How do the FX5600 Ultra and non-Ultra compare to their younger FX5700 siblings?
- And of course, which one would you pick and why?

Answers to any and all of these question or just some relevant information on topic are highly appreciated. The full list of cards available to me can be found at http://www.ksp.co.il . (Although the prices are in NIS.)

AirBot
01-25-2004, 01:50 PM
Incidentally, what kind of detail level do you think I could run FB in with these cards?
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carguy_
01-25-2004, 01:56 PM
I have Gainward GFX5600 FXPP! 760TV/DVI.I upgraded from GF2Ti64MBDDR.I`m not satisfied in the least,cuz I noticed a minimal difference.I advise you to buy ATI cards.

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pourshot
01-25-2004, 02:10 PM
Il2 is very cpu dependent so if your running a p3 800mhz and install a 9800pro the improvment will be minimal.You need to work out what would be a balanced choice.

What hardware have you got now?

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arcadeace
01-25-2004, 02:13 PM
As long as the remainder of your system is up to task, a 9800Pro should give you perfect until BoB. Go to PriceWatch. With shipping they are $228. My second choice and first for best bang/buck is the FX5900 non-Pro. I had one before my 9800Pro and its very reliable and strong. NV will have to improve on their drivers for it to run perfect, as its certainly has the power. Currently with shipping its $169. Good luck http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

steve_v
01-25-2004, 03:21 PM
Rage3D forums have been posting problems with the Sapphire and Asus radeon cards. I recommend an ATI built if you opt for Radeon.

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Huxley_S
01-25-2004, 03:40 PM
My Asus 9600 XT has just died after only 1 month... very sad about that, it was giving me very good results up until now.

Speco
01-25-2004, 03:48 PM
I've got the 9600 pro, Athlon 2400, 512DDR(dual chanel) and can only dream about perfect settings. So unles the rest of your system is considerbly better or you plan to OC you can rule-out the 9600 pro as a option.

Yum_Yum
01-25-2004, 03:57 PM
Hello Airbot ..you have not been on the TX server lately!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I wanted to upgrade my GF3 TI 500 because I thought things would look better, but in actual fact the difference in graphics quality was minimal but there was a change in FPS and I could up the graphics a little more, but over all I thought the differences were not worth the costs.

I tried an FX 5600 and an FX 5700 Ultra and the difference online was only slight, offline was better but could not justify the money spent.

I have a P4 2Ghz with 1024MB RDRAM and maybe the cards would do better on another system with a better monitor and better processor etc etc, but for me I hardly noticed any change.

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Taylortony
01-25-2004, 04:41 PM
Lol yum yum same spec as mine, cept i went to the nvidia 9800xt and the only difference it made over my gforce 3 ti500 was to allow me to run perfect smoother than before, off line its great, online it stutters p.p.p.p.p.past the beach then gets b.b.b.better http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Xiolablu3
01-25-2004, 05:54 PM
ATI or Nvidia?? There is an easy way to decide...

Do you use Anti Aliasing and Anisotropic filtering? Or are u like me and would rather have a smoother framerate and higher in-game graphics settings/resolution?

If you want to use AA and AF then get the RAdeon 9600XT.

If you dont then get the GF FX 5700.

The geforce is slightly faster without AA and AF and cheaper. The RAdeon is more expensive but will run games better than the GForce with AA and AF on.

Personally I'd get the GF5700 purely because its cheaper and Im not bothered about AA and AF, I'd rather have a higher resolution and more fps.

Oh and you should be able to run perfect mode with either of those 2 cards. Hell I can almost run it in perfect using my Athlon 2100xp and GF TI4600 (slightly too low framerate for me tho) so those cards should be OK. I am not 100% on this tho, maybe someone WITH a 5600/5700 or 9600 could tell us better??

LOL YumYum, what did u expect to happen when u upgraded form a Geforce 3?? All these new effects would suddenly appear out of nowhere?? :P

AirBot
01-26-2004, 06:24 AM
I'm currently running an Athlon XP 2000+ with 512MB of RAM. Graphics card, as mentioned before, is a puny GeForce 4 MX420. Keep in mind that I do play other games besides FB, so good frame-rates in FB are not the only thing I'm looking for.

Keep in mind that I live in Israel. That means that most of the cheaper retailers on PriceWatch do not ship to my area. It also means an 18% tax on anything that costs over $50.
These are the main reasons I haven't bought the card online - in the end, it's not much cheaper than buying locally. Plus, if the card happens to malfunction I'm stuck without a PC for 3 weeks until the card is returned from repairs overseas.
I'll take another look on PriceWatch, but I doubt it will do any good.

Yum_Yum - I'm a drifter, so don't expect me to stay on the same server for too long http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Feel free to jump in when you see me online.

Anyway, thanks everyone for the advice, and keep it coming! I've been putting this off for way too long.

Rajvosa
01-26-2004, 07:38 AM
If you're looking for best bang for the buck card, ie framerate/invested money, than Radeon 9600Pro is still the best. The problem is it's not one of the fastest cards. So basically, if you can afford it, go for the Radeon 9800XT. Stay away fron Nvidia! I'm not an ATi fanboy, it's just that Nvidia has messed up their NV3x series when it comes to DX9. If all you want to play is old DX7-8 games, sure, GeForce is the bomb. But with the DX9 games already here and with more to come, I'd either go with ATi now, or wait until Nvidia relases their new gfx cards and see what they can do.



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AirBot
01-26-2004, 08:40 AM
At $720 USD, the Radeon 9800XT is way out of my price range. I can barely afford the 9600XT as it is.
Anyway, with such a top-of-the-line graphics card, I would expect my processor or RAM to become the bottleneck. I don't think my system's good enough to milk that card for all it's worth, so frankly it looks to me like a waste of perfectly good money.

NetDaemon
01-26-2004, 09:07 AM
Whenever I get this question (and I do get it a lot from users at the office), I answer neither.

That is, neither 9600pro/xt nor 9800pro/xt.

Why? simply cuz neither of both offer good bang for the buck:

9800pro/xt: You pay too much of a premium and don't get your money's worth in return investment (performance).

9600pro/xt: You pay low but in return get low performance.

So, for me the sweet spot is right in the middle, that is, the 9700pro http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

An ATI built 9700pro is about 20$ to 50$ more than a 9600pro/xt but about 150$ to 200$ less than a 9800pro/xt.

Besides, the 9700pro's performance is only about 5fps lower than the 9800pro and 15 to 20fps more than the 9600pro, it comes with all the bells and whistles of its younger siblings (including great DX9 support), double the rendering pipelines of the 9600pro/xt (8 vs. 4) and has a lot of room for overclocking. All around a nice card and a great performer. That is if you really need to get a new card right now.

You can find pretty good deals for both, new and used ones in eBay.

But if I were you, I'd wait till summer when Nvidia's and ATI's newest arrive, not to buy one of them cuz they'll surely be too damn expensive, but their appearance should make price drops across all the line and maybe a 9800pro could end up around the current price of a 9700pro by then making the 9800pro the new sweet spot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Good luck.

P.S. Notice how I left Nvidia out of the topic, others here have already explained why http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



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BaldieJr
01-26-2004, 09:30 AM
Go to firingsquad and read thier reviews.. they use FB as benchmark.

Then buy the 5700U.

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AirBot
01-27-2004, 09:49 AM
Well, I've been lurking on eBay for quite a while looking for a card, and I've finally won an auction for a Radeon 9700 Pro. At $217 (+$10 for shipping,) it's a bargain compared to what is available locally.
Hopefully I won't be ripped a new one by customs though.

So thanks everyone for your help, and hopefully I will be getting shot down by all of you soon with my new toy! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif