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bluesman69uk
03-11-2004, 09:41 AM
Ok, I love taking on formations of B17's with my 190A8 and 109 wingmen. So what would you say are good tactics for bringing these beasts down?

Head on attacks seems to work best but you still feel vulnreable from the chin guns and as I dive away the ball turret seems to get me sometimes too.

Attacking from the rear after a head on attack seems the most difficult! A formation firing back dosen't take long to knock you down.

What tactics/planes/ firepower do you guys use?

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Is there any way in which the AI will do head on attacks instead of passing then attacking fom the rear only to get shot down??

thanks

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bluesman69uk
03-11-2004, 09:41 AM
Ok, I love taking on formations of B17's with my 190A8 and 109 wingmen. So what would you say are good tactics for bringing these beasts down?

Head on attacks seems to work best but you still feel vulnreable from the chin guns and as I dive away the ball turret seems to get me sometimes too.

Attacking from the rear after a head on attack seems the most difficult! A formation firing back dosen't take long to knock you down.

What tactics/planes/ firepower do you guys use?

Im looking forward to the 110 to see what that baby can do http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Is there any way in which the AI will do head on attacks instead of passing then attacking fom the rear only to get shot down??

thanks

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adlabs6
03-11-2004, 10:02 AM
I've had good results with the 190A and D using vertical attacks, climbing up maybe 1500 meters above the formation, and then diving straight down for each repeated attack. I've killed quite a few in a row like this, and didn't suffer many gunner hits either.

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nearmiss
03-11-2004, 10:15 AM
The preferred method of attack for the Luftwaffe pilots was head-on attacks. The B-17s were loaded with 10 x.50 cal machines (well protected) and the men using them were competent. The luftwaffe pilots learned to come alongside the B-17s at a safe distance, establish altitude and speed of the bomber groups. They would then fly ahead a couple miles and turn back into the B-17s head on.

The head-ons allowed attacks on the most vulnerable area of the B-17 aircraft with the least firepower. The nose gunner only had one gun, and the pilots were clearly visible through the glass.

When the fighters attacked they were traveling at 300 KpH and then the B-17s were flying at a similar speed. The exposure time for the fighters was miniscule at the high crossing speed.

Diving away was not a best solution, because it left the tail end of the fighter exposed for long periods of time to the B-17 gunners.

So fly head-on - straight through the B-17s and see how it goes. It'll take practice that's a fact. It's a RUSH...and for real it must have bordered on nightmarish. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

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Rallo
03-11-2004, 12:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by adlabs6:
I've had good results with the 190A and D using vertical attacks, climbing up maybe 1500 meters above the formation, and then diving straight down for each repeated attack. I've killed quite a few in a row like this, and didn't suffer many gunner hits either.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Once you've climbed above them, how do you visually position yourself? When I try this tactic I can never be sure when I am directly above them and can begin my dive. At some point they pass beneath my nose and are no longer visible, unless I go to external view, which I dislike cuz it sorta feels like I'm cheating.

What do YOU do?

~Rallo

73GIAP_Milan
03-11-2004, 12:41 PM
Turn Upside DOWN and look through the canopy..or roll a bit on your side...

Vertical attacks are tricky to setup sometimes (when escorting fighters are near) but they can be effective as hell...

Though i would still recommend head-on attacks versus all types of bombers...as long as you can pepper the nose, the pilots or a few engines it's good...

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adlabs6
03-11-2004, 12:49 PM
The key here is climbing at an angle that allow for a clear view from the cockpit.

When I climb up, I'm near vertical, so the bombers are moving laterally away from me quite fast. To get a good view, I roll the plane 180 degrees while vertical (so that if my canopy top was facing east, it now faces west)and pan my view back over my left shoulder (right would work just as well. At this point the bombers are visible moving away from me down below. I use this same point of view to determine when I'm both high enough, and far enough away to pull the stick back, and pitch over to a nose down dive (looking through the top of the canopy as I bring the sights down on the bombers), as steep as it takes to keep a bomber in my sights. Throttle is reduced here sometimes to prevent gaining too much speed (maybe 650 max, it depends though). I take my shot, pull up so that I fly above the bomber, and go vertical again, roll 180 and look over my shoulder again.

With a plane with guns like the Fw's, I've easily killed a B-17 on each new pass I make by aiming at the wing roots.

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clint-ruin
03-11-2004, 12:57 PM
You need to make the gunners pull the most amount of lead possible and expose yourself to their fire for the shortest time possible.

This means a combination of:

a) high speed [500kmh+, faster than this is better]

b) frontal attacks minimise exposure time, since you are combining your approach/depart speeds with the bomber formation

c) high deflection. don't come in from 12 o'clock straight - come in from 10/11 or 1/2 o'clock, preferably diving down from above at the same time. A diving attack of any kind also presents a bigger area for your guns to hit the bomber.

d) the most valuable tool you have in determining how to judge your attack is the track playback feature in FB. After making a few sample passes, quit the mission and save the track. Go to the record viewer and play it back. Press CTRL-F2 until you are looking at the bomber you're attacking, and watch yourself come in [press F6 when you see yourself get close]. See how much -relative- movement you are presenting to the bomber. Low amounts of movement relative to a turret is bad - you will appear to 'hang' in midair and give them a fixed shooting position to hit you at.

e) realise that while a bomber is a big, tough target, they also burn pretty good. You do not need to keep making passes and pounding it until it is blown out of the sky. Just enough so that it either drops its bombload early, loses control, or catches fire. Attacking the cockpit, rudder, and engines is a good way to get a 'mission kill', 'pilot kill', or a delayed kill from an onboard fire.

As with everything in FB, practice practice practice ..

There's also a sticky thread in the ORR forum where Oleg politely asks people to take a look at some of the sample track files in the Ace expansion to see some good bomber attacking tactics.

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StellarRat
03-11-2004, 01:09 PM
The B-17s seem a bit more damage sensitive with AEP, but I could be wrong. Anyway, the best way to attack is from above or in front at extremely high speed. If you can hit them on the top of the wings you might bring on down in a single pass. Whatever you do don't attack from behind at low closing speed unless you have huge guns (37mm + ) and are a good shot.

purzel08
03-11-2004, 02:37 PM
What´s the best way to bring down heavies ?

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[Elite]cobrae
03-11-2004, 03:12 PM
i like to get high on thier 6 and dive at almost max speed .... get under them and pullup firing ..... youll be go'n too fast for the gunners to hit and youll be hitt'n a firly weak spot of the plane ..... if done right you can saw the wing off or set the tanks a blaze.......


sometimes a nice attack from the high 3-4 or 9-8 will do it depending on the guns you got

CRSutton
03-11-2004, 03:46 PM
Use the ME 110 with the 30mm guns in the nose and the 20mm gunpods underneath. Just pull up on it's six like a pure noob wanker and when you are just out of 50 cal range, pop a short burst and watch them blow. Tried it out last night. It is a serious bomber killer. Got four of em.