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jacko38
05-30-2004, 04:31 AM
I would like to ask whether Pacific Fighters will also offer the chance to fly the Brewster Buffalos, Glenn Martin bombers and Do- 24 and Catalina flying boats from the Dutch Air Force (ML-KNIL) and Naval Air Arm (MLD), based in the Dutch East Indies (Java, Borneo, Sumatra and so on). And whether there will be maps included of this area. It would make the game even more interesting, since it is a little known theatre of war were a lot happened. Please don't forget the Dutch!!! Not only the Japanese, British and Americans fought and died in the Pacific!!!

jacko38
05-30-2004, 04:31 AM
I would like to ask whether Pacific Fighters will also offer the chance to fly the Brewster Buffalos, Glenn Martin bombers and Do- 24 and Catalina flying boats from the Dutch Air Force (ML-KNIL) and Naval Air Arm (MLD), based in the Dutch East Indies (Java, Borneo, Sumatra and so on). And whether there will be maps included of this area. It would make the game even more interesting, since it is a little known theatre of war were a lot happened. Please don't forget the Dutch!!! Not only the Japanese, British and Americans fought and died in the Pacific!!!

MetalG.
05-30-2004, 05:03 AM
Well the P-36 is going to be flyable AFAIK so thats an aircraft which the Dutch flew in the Pacific.
Hopefully we'll see more aircraft the Dutch used there.
Also you may want to try and post this on the Pacific Fighters forum to get more responses.

pacettid
05-30-2004, 05:30 AM
Assuming I am not yet senile, I remember seeing Brewsters in Pacific paint schemes in some of the screenshots from E3.

It has also been discussed before on the PF forum. So, I am pretty sure you are going to get your wish; in spaes. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

All the best, Don

jacko38
05-30-2004, 06:14 AM
I hope so. Nothing will make me happier than some attention paid to the Dutch defence of the Dutch Indies and Singapore. That is one of the bad things of being a small country, nobody is paying attention to you. And my countrymen did what they could with the little they had.

[This message was edited by jacko38 on Sun May 30 2004 at 05:30 AM.]

pacettid
05-30-2004, 06:59 AM
Well I'm from the USA, and I'm paying attention http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif...that's what 'Forgotten Battles' is all about...I visited your wonderful nation , many years ago, when I was in the United States Navy...beautiful country, beautiful people.

If you do not already have it, you might want to read "Buffalos Over Singapore'. It includes some information on the Dutch Brewsters in this theater of operations. You can find it here (long link, so you'll have to copy and paste into your browser, rather than klicking on the link):

http://www.historicaviation.com/historicaviation/product_info.po;jsessionid=hvhnW3zcJaDbIhKz2Mv4yYJ I(0CppkxPt)?ID=7099

I also found an excellent Dutch paint scheme/custom skin for IL2 FB for the Buffalo, which I will be glad to send you. I'll even put your name on the side of the canopy if you like. Just let me know what you would like, and an address to send it to, and I will be glad to do it for you.

All the best, Don

jacko38
05-30-2004, 08:35 AM
Very decent of you, Don, thank you. Yes, I would like to have that Buffalo skin. No need to get my name on it though, I'm a bit of a detail freak and would like to keep it as historically accurate as possible. My e-mail adres is j.limpt@planet.nl

Will be fun to try this new skin against the Japanese Zero. Thanks again for your generous offer.

The book you recommend looks very interesting indeed. My source for the details of the air war over the Dutch Indies are two big volumes by P.C.Boer, which cover up all operations of ML-KNIL from Singapore to the Moluccans. Only available in Dutch, I'm afraid, but very complete.

Nogmaals dank,

Jack

GerritJ9
05-30-2004, 09:33 AM
Those two Dutch books actually have summaries in English and Indonesian. They were published in the late 1980s so may no longer be available, but for those willing to try to order them, they are:
1) De Luchtstrijd rond Borneo, ISBN 90 269 4253 2.
2) De Luchtstrijd om IndiŽ, ISBN 90 269 4160 9.
Author of both books is P.C. Boer, publisher is Van Holkema en Warendorf.
I have ordered Buffaloes over Singapore and can't wait!!!!!!!......... but I have to.

jacko38
05-30-2004, 09:55 AM
I hope you checked the price at Amazon.com too, Gerrit, it is usually lower than at other book sites.

Jeronimo83
05-30-2004, 10:24 AM
I am modeling the CW-21B both cockpit and external, however I am not sure if Java will be included in PF, making the plane pretty much homeless.

jacko38
05-30-2004, 11:10 AM
Your effort is nonetheless highly appreciated. I really like the look of that plane, eventhough it was very vulnerable to damage.

GerritJ9
05-30-2004, 02:29 PM
No worries, Jacko, that's where I ordered my copy! I always had a soft spot for the B339, and now that Ki43s are being built from scratch, I hope somebody will do the same with the Brewster.

jacko38
05-30-2004, 11:26 PM
It is also one of my favorites of the air war over Java, Gerrit. How little is left of that period and how few in our country still know about it. I always envy other countries that keep the memory alive, instead of ignoring it.

Do you know books of Dutch pilots of that period telling their experiences during the Japanese attack on the Dutch Indies?

Platypus_1.JaVA
05-31-2004, 01:21 AM
In the press-realease of PF, they said something about the Dutch East Indies...

Anyways, be sure to check-out the book "40 jaar Luchtvaart in IndiŽ" by Gerard Casius and Thijs Postma ISBN 90-6013-944-5 Only for Dutch readers http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It appeared we had also 12 Hurricane's in service, in 1942. They where part of a shipment that was meant for the brits in Singapore. Check out www.il2skins.com (http://www.il2skins.com) or www.1java.org (http://www.1java.org) to find some nice Dutch skins, for all kinds of aircraft.

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2 For with what judgment ye judge,
ye shall be judged: and with what
measure ye mete, it shall be measured
to you again.

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GerritJ9
05-31-2004, 01:24 AM
The only other book I can think of at the moment is Hugo Hooftman's "Van Glenn Martins en Mustangs"; however, it was published in the late 1960s and is long out of print- I don't think it was ever reprinted. But I expect you already have a copy anyway.
I hope that "Buffalos over Singapore" will have some more material about the activities of the KNIL Brewster pilots, but I will have to wait for it to arrive http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Mr_Nakajima
05-31-2004, 01:37 AM
The two volumes of 'Bloody Shambles' cover Dutch operations in some detail.

http://www.grubstreet.co.uk/wwii_hardback.htm

Jeronimo83
05-31-2004, 03:51 AM
I've bought 'Onze Vliegers in IndiŽ' a while ago and it has some experiences of Dutch pilots in it. It's published in 1946, so the subjectivity is quite interesting.

On the Dutch in PF: I have never read anything about the Dutch East Indies being in PF. However, my goal is to set up a range of aircraft that belonged to the MLKNIL. With the CW-21B nearing completion, the entire range of Dutch fighters is incorporated in the engine. Also the Catalina is being done by Gibbage. In short, everything is there to create a Dutch campaign, except Java, where most battles were fought.
I wouldn't understand if Luthier wouldn't implement this area, because of its importance, but also because of the ideal setting: Japanese carriers launching Navy-O's (Zero's) to join Borneo-based Betty's to attack the Island of Java, stationing Dutch, British and US forces.
I will do everything I can to incorporate the Dutch in PF to full extend.

Jeronimo