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SeaFireLIV
03-10-2004, 12:36 PM
Listen to constructive criticisms of course, but I`m sure you realise you`re only hearing ONE part of the world`s population that fly FB EAP. This gives a somewhat skewed point of view...

Also, please remember the US seems to mostly play ONLINE and nearly all complaints seem to concern themselves with that, thereby only plane whines usually. I don`t know for sure, but I`ll bet a lot of European players fly Offline, which means you`re only hearing whines for Online play.

Soon, you`ll hear opinions from the whole world when we receive EAP and a better overall opinion on online/offline AI good/bad stuff.

And I for one will be giving praise where it`s due (if EAP proves its worth http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

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[This message was edited by SeaFireLIV on Wed March 10 2004 at 12:10 PM.]

SeaFireLIV
03-10-2004, 12:36 PM
Listen to constructive criticisms of course, but I`m sure you realise you`re only hearing ONE part of the world`s population that fly FB EAP. This gives a somewhat skewed point of view...

Also, please remember the US seems to mostly play ONLINE and nearly all complaints seem to concern themselves with that, thereby only plane whines usually. I don`t know for sure, but I`ll bet a lot of European players fly Offline, which means you`re only hearing whines for Online play.

Soon, you`ll hear opinions from the whole world when we receive EAP and a better overall opinion on online/offline AI good/bad stuff.

And I for one will be giving praise where it`s due (if EAP proves its worth http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

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[This message was edited by SeaFireLIV on Wed March 10 2004 at 12:10 PM.]

LEXX_Luthor
03-10-2004, 12:54 PM
hehe children raised in USA can be truly awful. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The child immediately flew into a rage, shrieking, throwing tins of food at the mother, kicking her foot, and ripping at her clothes. Then he bolted to the back of the store with the embarrassed woman and her baby-buggy in helpless pursuit. Other shoppers gritted their teeth and looked on in disgust.

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faustnik
03-10-2004, 01:02 PM
As an American, should I be offended by this post? Just checking. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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SeaFireLIV
03-10-2004, 01:12 PM
No offense intended of course. I just want Oleg to realise that he should wait to hear EVERYONE`s point of view, not just ONE part of the world`s society that has EAP...

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ajafoofoo
03-10-2004, 01:12 PM
Us yanks have to put up with it. It's perfectly pc to insult us. It's not ok for us to insult other countries though.

Kinda like the double standard between blacks and white in america. Blacks can call whites crackers and use the "n" word freely. Whites have to be pc and think long and hard before they say anything around a non-white person because anything can be considered offensive.

Despite all this, I am horribly offended by the topic starter. I demand an apology on behalf of all Americans.

Our fragile feelings have been hurt.

SeaFireLIV
03-10-2004, 01:13 PM
Don`t be silly.

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ajafoofoo
03-10-2004, 01:15 PM
Apology accepted.

p1ngu666
03-10-2004, 01:35 PM
joking on americans is like shooting fish in a barrel
tho some americans are fine, but theres always those ....
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VW-IceFire
03-10-2004, 01:43 PM
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WWMaxGunz
03-10-2004, 02:04 PM
And especially don't joke on that Bush guy! look what happened to... oh wait, there's a black van just pulled up outside! Gotta go!

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willyvic
03-10-2004, 02:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
joking on americans is like shooting fish in a barrel
tho some americans are fine, but theres always those ....
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Now would that be North Americans or South Americans? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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Capt._Tenneal
03-10-2004, 02:26 PM
And never, never, NEVER talk smack about our precious P-51s and P-47s and P-38s and....

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Heart_C
03-10-2004, 02:42 PM
There will be a MAJOR thunderstorm going through this forum (don't even want to think about the German forum) once it gets released in Europe with her many LW fanatics, for the 20mm and even 30mm are really weak this time. Yes, I know, nothing has changed with the weapons and DM. And the man in the moon will sing for me tonight while I fall asleep http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Hell, maybe it's only a change in the netcode or so (look at the timeout problem), but I and many others swear weapon effectiveness is lowered.

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JimRockford
03-10-2004, 07:34 PM
Most Americans, (USA citizens to be exact), are nice, friendly, cool, caring people.

It's the exceptions and bad apples that get all the rest of the worlds attention, and foster the negative opinions.

That's not the only factor tho.

I figure, (and it's just my feeling), that most of the rest of the world, doesn't really hate America so much as it sometimes appears. Again, is the 'newstory' 'fringe' type that garner the most attention.

There's the 'peer pressure' thing too.

I can't speak for all Americans, or anyone really other than myself. Still tho, I believe that most of us don't won't to hurt anyone, and are willing to help anyone in need, and just laugh off those who hate us without having malice in our hearts towards them.

It's kinda like us rednecks here in the deep south laugh off the others in the USA who don't understand us and have their fun making fun of us. LOL We can laugh about it, because we are happy. We know in our hearts that if our hearts were 'really' known and understood, people would see the kind, caring type of people we are and would love us. We understand there are obstacles that are hard to breach to achieve this understanding for many, so we don't really hate those who, in their misunderstanding of our nature, belittle or try to offend us. We laugh it off and continue to be happy. A yankee has to really be obnoxious, and persistent, to get a true southern gentleman to actually physically apply an attitude adjustment. However, once that point has been breached it's kind of a southern point of honor that we 'have' to get on in on the action.

Maybe I'm way off base, (and if you think so and say it I'll probably laff it off http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ), but I think that relationship is similiar in many ways to the USA's and 'the rest of world's', relationship.

I do know for sure, that with a few notable exceptions, (which I won't mention since I am a southern gentleman and am being honorable http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ), most of the USA 'likes' most of the rest of the world and accepts them as they are for the most part, and only wants to see everyone happier, freer, and better off. Of course there will be many who won't see that, and many who will say the path the USA has chosen to show that is wrong, and perhaps there is some truth in that in some ways at times, but for the most part I would like the rest of the world to know that most of the USA only wants to do good, be happy, and be loved. Most of us forgive those who hate us, as we believe they really don't truly know our hearts. We will take those inclined insults, and putdowns on the chin and won't hold them against the others that are kinder. We laugh them off, but in a polite way, because we believe that you do have the right to believe as you choose.

Anyhow, I'm sure Oleg, being an acomplished, sucessful, worldwide software developer, is intelligent enough to separate the chaff from the wheat, and is very unlikely to be truly angered by those with poor manners and little tact. Anybody intelligent enough to create IL-2 and the continuing additions to the line, is really very unlikely to be affected by those who do not maintain an a positive, equally intelligent demeanor. I'm sure he just laffs it off... kinda like the USA... kinda like the South...kinda like one of the guys...kinda like me...

It all comes back to me... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (that was the punchline..laff now plz)

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Bearcat99
03-10-2004, 08:42 PM
Seafire I usually agree with about 95% of your posts but you are out of line with this one. Most of the complaints you have here from Americans DO NOT out weigh the more positive comments from most other Americans who have the AEP. So please dont lump us all together. Secondly being an a$$hat in thios forum is NOT reserved for Americans in case you havent noticed. And I can gaurantee you that you WILL be singing the praises of the AEP. The people who are doing the bitc#ing and moaning would probably not appreciate something good if it came down and hit them in the head. The AEP is a great piece of work.

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PzKpfw
03-10-2004, 09:15 PM
Well I'm from the U.S. and I dont play OL http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. I also remeber a UBI poll many moons ago that specificly asked if you flew IL-2 OL or OFL, interesting part was Offline won by a good margin.


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rgoodrich1978
03-10-2004, 11:45 PM
"Tins of food" ??
Heh! Tins.. Who says tins?

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Eagle_361st
03-11-2004, 12:35 AM
Man since we are all little brats throwing tempertantrums I guess I am due for one now. I would love to weigh all of the "supposed" whinning by "us" Merikans vs. the whinning from hmmmmmm oh yeah from across the pond. The few whines you see here are not only "us stoopid Merrikans" BTW, check the english and you can easily see it's quite the opposite . We all have whiners, no matter what country you live in. But let me tell you something it pisses me off that "us stoopid Merrkins" always seem to be the ones who are blamed.

Besides it's not Americas fault that we
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Tully__
03-11-2004, 04:58 AM
I don't know if you noticed Eagle, but most of the posts "knocking" america in this thread are americans with their tongues very firmly embedded in their cheeks. Stay cool dude.

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pacettid
03-11-2004, 05:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Seafire I usually agree with about 95% of your posts but you are out of line with this one. Most of the complaints you have here from Americans DO NOT out weigh the more positive comments from most other Americans who have the AEP. So please dont lump us all together. Secondly being an a$$hat in thios forum is NOT reserved for Americans in case you havent noticed. And I can gaurantee you that you WILL be singing the praises of the AEP. The people who are doing the bitc#ing and moaning would probably not appreciate something good if it came down and hit them in the head. The AEP is a great piece of work.

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Future-
03-11-2004, 06:27 AM
@ Seafire: I highly recommend that you play AEP first before making such conclusions. While a few mindless whines have turned up, several things (like the timeout problem, the bugged Me-163 engine, ...) are real problems. Bugs that needs fixing.
And while Oleg knew about the Me-163, he didn't know about that annoying timeout problem.

I'm also thankful for the great work Oleg and his team have done, they gave us the best combat flight sim that there is so far, and overall, AEP is great, but also AEP has some serious issues that HAVE to be discussed & fixed.

So, to put this in short, the next time you wanna score a few points with being nice to Oleg, make sure your statement 1.) doesn't unnecessarily offend many other people and 2.) is based on more solid information than you obviously have this time.

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SeaFireLIV
03-11-2004, 06:27 AM
Hmm. Well I hate upsetting Bearcat99, he`s a good sort. I don`t mean to knock Americans only to try and show that we haven`t heard all sides yet. Since it`s the mostly the US that seems to have AEP it`s easier to focus on the fact that a lot of uncharitable whines must be coming from there.

But again, NOT ALL Americans are the same (do I really have to say this?). A lot of Americans are decent, sensible blokes. I know, I have relatives in the US (though my brothers/ sisters seem to get to visit them more than I do). Any more than that I can`t really say...

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LEXX_Luthor
03-11-2004, 06:49 AM
hmmm AEP releaced in Russia yet?

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WWMaxGunz
03-11-2004, 09:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Hmm. Well I hate upsetting Bearcat99, he`s a good sort. I don`t mean to knock Americans only to try and show that we haven`t heard all sides yet. Since it`s the mostly the US that seems to have AEP it`s easier to focus on the fact that a lot of uncharitable whines must be coming from there.

But again, NOT ALL Americans are the same (do I really have to say this?). A lot of Americans are decent, sensible blokes. I know, I have relatives in the US (though my brothers/ sisters seem to get to visit them more than I do). Any more than that I can`t really say...

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LOL! This is a big place where many, many cultures are mixed in. They call it a melting pot, well the melt is still far from being more than a start.

You could spend 10 years looking from end to end and still know next to nothing about any one spot and the real people. Most people here don't know much but where they live except for news and TV shows that are more hype and fiction than real.

This country is really like many countries with one big government over 50 small ones. The media culture overlays it all and gives a focus and model for people who need that to act by and see others through. But it is not everywhere or everyone, just perceptions and stories that sometimes hold true more because people see and play the parts than not. We still have people, many people who live their lives as well as they can just as Iraq and Palestine has those who are not terrorists, support terrorism, or want anything to do with those, just wish it would stop, despite the way the news keeps looking like. We are mostly not like TV, thank the Creator!

I am sure it is a lot like that everywhere. Strip off the troublemakers and the world would be a much nicer place. :-)


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Oleg_Maddox
03-11-2004, 10:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Listen to constructive criticisms of course, but I`m sure you realise you`re only hearing ONE part of the world`s population that fly FB EAP. This gives a somewhat skewed point of view...

Also, please remember the US seems to mostly play ONLINE and nearly all complaints seem to concern themselves with that, thereby only plane whines usually. I don`t know for sure, but I`ll bet a lot of European players fly Offline, which means you`re only hearing whines for Online play.

Soon, you`ll hear opinions from the whole world when we receive EAP and a better overall opinion on online/offline AI good/bad stuff.

And I for one will be giving praise where it`s due (if EAP proves its worth http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

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[This message was edited by SeaFireLIV on Wed March 10 2004 at 12:10 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you very mich for these words.
And I agree with you that the level of Online players is very different. One can't fly good and can't master aircraft as it is writtent in many books - complines... Another one really foound the way how it use like described there and with the head on the body.... These are best players online...

Soon one of our tester will post how to compare FW to Spit and how it is good corresponds to that "famos" report of UK trials... The guy need to heave head that to understand whee they are wrong... If we use RAF data for Spitfire V and German trials data for FW-190A4 and both planes execute these trials values then something is missed in that test of FW in UK.... Nothing missed except exact values of test. We will show what it is. Remeber with right use of FW this one will always win vs Spitfire V 1941...