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Fw-190D-9
07-26-2004, 02:37 PM
Ok, I'm mostly a Fw-190 Dora driver, and I just want some some good advice here. How the heck do I fight a Bf-109 K-4 and P-51 D at low to medium altitudes?! I know that the Dora was designed as a high altitude fighter, but JV44 used it at low and medium altitudes to cover for the Me-262s, so it can't be all that bad! But for the life of me I dunno what to do, I attack a mustang at high speed, about 450KM, yet when I pull up to gain altitude or try to turn away the thing is plastered on to my six like white on rice! Now I dunno if the pilots had their fuel set to lower thern 100%, but if they didn't something is wrong here. A Mustang with a full rear tank is horrible unstable. And As for the K-4, agian that thing out turns me and out runs me. How do I deal with these thorns in my side?!

Fw-190D-9
07-26-2004, 02:37 PM
Ok, I'm mostly a Fw-190 Dora driver, and I just want some some good advice here. How the heck do I fight a Bf-109 K-4 and P-51 D at low to medium altitudes?! I know that the Dora was designed as a high altitude fighter, but JV44 used it at low and medium altitudes to cover for the Me-262s, so it can't be all that bad! But for the life of me I dunno what to do, I attack a mustang at high speed, about 450KM, yet when I pull up to gain altitude or try to turn away the thing is plastered on to my six like white on rice! Now I dunno if the pilots had their fuel set to lower thern 100%, but if they didn't something is wrong here. A Mustang with a full rear tank is horrible unstable. And As for the K-4, agian that thing out turns me and out runs me. How do I deal with these thorns in my side?!

Korolov
07-26-2004, 02:38 PM
ACK! 450kmh??? WAYYYY too slow. Get up to 700kmh or so and problem solved.

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Fw-190D-9
07-26-2004, 02:44 PM
I was practicaly otu styripping them as it was when I was going 450KMH, and you say thats too slow.....YIKES!

bazzaah2
07-26-2004, 02:51 PM
450 is way too slow - more like 500! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

yup, speed is life. and so are some other things so keep your speed up as Korolov says. Or make sure that you don't overshoot.

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Fw-190D-9
07-26-2004, 02:53 PM
Heh, and here I thought I knew all the Dora's trickes... oh well, back to the virtual skies for me!

carguy_
07-26-2004, 02:56 PM
650 km/h in dive is more than enough.FW190 D9 is better than Me109K4 or Mustang P51.

The Mustang you can outturn,the K4 is about equal on that matter.

Don`t engage higher than 4000m and it will be ok.

Uuh,one thing I know for sure.FW190D9 wasn`t meant to fight Me109. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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Korolov
07-26-2004, 03:16 PM
650kmh is still on the edge of being too slow. The D-9, last I checked, has a VNE of about 830kmh, so it's pretty safe to haul on the speed.

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crazyivan1970
07-26-2004, 03:16 PM
And why are you fighting K4 in the first place... and what is K4 doing on the deck... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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jensenpark
07-26-2004, 04:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
And why are you fighting K4 in the first place... and what is K4 doing on the deck... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.
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What's the k4 doing on the deck? Running as fast as it can from a FW190 intent on a team kill by the sounds of it...

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Fw-190D-9
07-26-2004, 04:08 PM
Nah it was in an open server on HL. I know how hard I can bank the Dora and still have her flying, it was just really getting on my nerves how every time that K-4 would be right behind me, or abpove me, there was no way I could seem to get away, keep in mind, I engaged the K-4 alittle after I had taken off, the pilot was right behind me all the way, it was nice of him to let me get some sp3eed and altitude before he engaged me, I was going about 350-400kmh when he engaged me.

As for the mustang, it doesn't matter whether I'm at 3000m or 300m I can't seem to fight that thing off no matter how hard I try, and another thing, if any one complains any more about the .50 cals not being effective, they are nuts!

bazzaah2
07-26-2004, 04:26 PM
rolling scissors? you shd be able to outroll it, if nothing else...

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ZG77_Lignite
07-26-2004, 04:38 PM
Remember also that FW190 2-stage supercharger shifts at about 3000m altitude, so below that (say from 2000-3000m) your engine is operating at reduced capacity (horsepower). FW190's operate best from about 3500 to about 5500, and they often out perform other aircraft through 6500m.

carguy_
07-26-2004, 04:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
650kmh is still on the edge of being too slow. The D-9, last I checked, has a VNE of about 830kmh, so it's pretty safe to haul on the speed.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Plz,do not teach B&Z if you don`t know it.
No disrespect,just saying...

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Fw-190D-9
07-26-2004, 05:08 PM
I took your advice about keeping it at or above 700KMH, well I ended up ripping the wings off at a dive of 750KMH, so I'm going to stick to a max speed of only 650KMH. BTW on the Speedometer, the Fw-190D-9 has a VNE of just about 750KMH, so I dunno how it could go 850 with out ill effect.

I went at it agian, and I had no trouble catching a Mustang, and turning with him at 550KMH, and at an altitude of about +3000m. I only lost cuz the Mustang had a Spit IX friend come up behind me. I have no trouble being shot down by a Spitfire IX pilot, the MK IX could go toe to toe with a Focke Wulf.

BTW, I was wondering about the supercharger, does that kick in automaticaly, or do I have to switch it in?

bazzaah2
07-26-2004, 05:14 PM
a\utomatic- you shd hear it kick in

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Fw-190D-9
07-26-2004, 05:19 PM
Cool, just wanted to know that.

Korolov
07-26-2004, 06:02 PM
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Plz,do not teach B&Z if you don`t know it.
No disrespect,just saying...
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And don't lecture me on BnZ, boy - I fly P-47s and Fw-190s often enough to know what works and what doesn't in BnZ. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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I took your advice about keeping it at or above 700KMH, well I ended up ripping the wings off at a dive of 750KMH
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Hmm, I just tested dive speed and my Fw-190D-9 went to around 850kmh with no problems. Even tried yanking around to rip the wings off but nothing happened. Are you using cockpit off, or the speedbar? My VNE speeds are for in cockpit guages or speedbar.

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chris455
07-26-2004, 09:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Plz,do not teach B&Z if you don`t know it.
No disrespect,just saying...
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Korolov is a man of few words, and very
good at what he does- if he's offering advice, I'd take it.

I'm just saying-

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Fw-190D-9
07-26-2004, 10:18 PM
I'll checkd the VNE speed for the Dora agian, maybe he is right, but to me, the VNE speed on the speedometer looks like around 700KMH, but I could deffinatly be wrong.

Now on another subject, I know the only difference between the 44 and the 45 Doras are they use different Boost systems, can some one explain to me how different these system are and how they can be used effectivly?

FI-Aflak
07-26-2004, 11:08 PM
I hardly ever fly the dora. Does it really outturn a mustang? My experiece with the dora has always been that she is the one most likely to snap stall if I look at my joystick crossways . . . . .

I am in the habit of engaging doras in turning fights if I am in a P-47, if there are no other enemy A/C around, because of how bad (I thought) their turn rate is.

BennyMoore
07-26-2004, 11:30 PM
Wow! I regard the Dora so highly that I won't fly it because I find it too easy to kill things in (all right all right, and because it's ugly). I fly A-9s and can beat almost anything if I try really hard. Noteable exceptions are, of course, the Ki-84 and the La-7, and even the P-51 and that one nasty Spitfire.

Then again, I'm not a very good FW-190 pilot, so it's probably possible to beat anything but the Ki-84 in the A-9.

Fw-190D-9
07-27-2004, 12:14 AM
No the Dora, can't out turn a Mustang, but I'm not to sure as if to say that a P-51D Mustang should be able to out turn a Dora, especialy with hte rear fuel tank full, but maybe I'm wrong?

I just thought it was alittle *funny* how the mustangs were outmatching me move for move and there was basicaly nothing I could do to get away from them.

BennyMoore
07-27-2004, 12:23 AM
Being a P-38 lover, I know exactly what that sensation is like!

Korolov
07-27-2004, 12:38 AM
Fw-190D-9 '44 has the same Erohte Nostelstung boost system, I think several here have said it just dumps or increases the fuel flow to the engine. The D-9 '45 has MW50 like the 109s, and so you must turn it on before starting the engine. It then kicks in automatically above 100% power. The '45 model is MUCH faster, but handling is poorer and the plane feels heavier for some reason.

The plane is designed to go real fast so you can generally push her far enough. 700kmh is a good number to live by just as long as you remember the plane will bleed E fast in hard manuvers. Also the in-cockpit speed dial reads up to 700, then after that its basically starting over again... 700 + 100 on the dial is about 800kmh, etc. Once you go beyond 700kmh though, speed will REALLY pile on, so doesn't take long to tear the wings off.

The ol' Pony D can do everything except outroll and outrun you. D-9 is superior in speed and sprint contests, and has a better chance at turning with them only at speed and altitude and if they got full fuel. Chances are they won't, so slashing attacks or rolling scissors is the way to go. Head ons also work too, you got cannons in the roots, he doesn't.

Last night I was flying at about 9k in a P-38L, watching a few guys below me; wasn't sure I could do much but made a pass on a A-9 anyways - nicked his wing with 50 cal and thats about it. Apparently his handling went to hell and was coordinating with his buddies; turned out to be a D-9. Got planted on his butt and all the sudden, raked with 20mm fire. Left engine catches on fire and fuel leak all over. Fire extinguisher the left engine, feather prop, engine off - fell for the classic manuver of the Fw-190: drag and bag. Boy did I feel like a dunce, LOL!

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