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mortoma
06-01-2004, 12:49 PM
I have seen some posts by DuxCorvan and others that ask about getting the newer planes to show up in your offline campaigns as AI so you can fight against them. Well it's very easy. In the DGEN folder there are .DB files for various fronts/campaigns/subcampaigns and for various stages of the war, early, mid and late. I wanted to see the new FW-190A6 start showing up in my Berlin campaign where I'm currently flying a P-63. I found the file "Berlin.DB" and opened it in notepad. Under the heading called [Planes] I typed in the proper Dgen name for the A6 which happens to be "FW_190A6" and put the number 24 in front of it where the number 24 denotes how many are able to show up in that campaign at any time. If 24 or more are shot down then the Germans will have to wait to be resupplied with that plane. I have already shot down a few A6s!! I just put that as an estimate and you'll probably have to guess yourself on the number if you don't know the actual historical number. I doubt most of you will be so picky as
to be concerned about the number too much. Here is the way my Berlin.DB file looks in the planes section, to give you an idea. And below that I furnish all the current proper Dgen names for every plane in FB. ( Note: Remember you'll have to type in the exact Dgen code name perfectly or it will not work. )
[Planes]
34 IL_2Type3
10 IL_2Type3M
12 IL_4_IL4
6 LAGG_3SERIES66
2 LAGG_3IT
38 LA_5FN
27 LA_7
4 LA_7B20
28 PE_2SERIES359
4 PE_3BIS
12 P_39Q1
16 P_39Q10
10 P_63C
6 TU_2S
26 YAK_9D
10 YAK_9T
6 YAK_9K
12 YAK_9U
29 YAK_3
14 Yak_3P
12 BF_109G6AS
12 BF_109G10
40 BF_109G14
28 BF_109K4
8 ME_262A1A Galland_unmarked_262.bmp
6 ME_262A2A
14 FW_190A5
24 FW_190A6
42 FW_190A8
18 FW_190A9
28 FW_190F8 Fw190F8-SG2NM.bmp
15 FW_190D9
12 FW_190D9late
16 JU_87D3
21 JU_88A4
12 JU_52_3MG4E
2 ME_323
8 HE_162A2
6 HE_111H6
8 HS_129B2
5 HS_129B3Wa
1 FW_189A2
6 FI_156

Here are all the Dgen codes for both flyable and unflyable aircraft:
(FLYABLE RED PLANES )
BI_1
HurricaneMkIIb
HurricaneMkIIc
HurricaneMkIIbMod
I_153_M62
I_153P
I_16TYPE18
I_16TYPE24
I_16TYPE24DRONE
I_185M71
I_185M82A
IL_2_1940Early
IL_2_1940Late
IL_2_1941Early
IL_2_1941Late
IL_2I
IL_2MEarly
IL_2MLate
IL_2Type3
IL_2Type3M
IL_2T
LA_5
LA_5F
LA_5FN
LA_7
LA_7B20
LAGG_3SERIES4
LAGG_3SERIES29
LAGG_3SERIES35
LAGG_3SERIES66
LAGG_3IT
MIG_3EARLY
MIG_3SHVAK
MIG_3AM38
MIG_3U
MIG_3UB
MIG_3UD
P_38J
P_38L
P_39N
P_39Q1
P_39Q10
P_40E
P_40EM105
P_40M
P_47D10
P_47D22
P_47D27
P_51B
P_51C
P_51D5NT
P_51D20NA
P_63C
P_80A
SPITFIRE5B
SPITFIRE5BCLP
SPITFIRE5BLF
SPITFIRE5BLFCLP
SPITFIRE9C
SPITFIRE9CCLP
SPITFIRE9E
SPITFIRE9ECLP
SPITFIRE9EHF
TB_3_4M_17
TB_3_4M_34R
TB_3_4M_34R_SPB
YAK_1
YAK_1B
YAK_3
YAK_3P
YAK_7A
YAK_7B
YAK_9
YAK_9B
YAK_9D
YAK_9K
YAK_9M
YAK_9T
YAK_9U
YAK_9UT

(UNFLYABLE RED PLANES)
B_17G
B_25C25
B_25G1
B_25H1
B_25J1
C_47
G_11
IL_4_DB3B
IL_4_DB3M
IL_4_DB3T
IL_4_DB3F
IL_4_IL4
LI_2
MBR_2AM34
PBN1
PE_2SERIES1
PE_2SERIES84
PE_2SERIES110
PE_2SERIES359
PE_3SERIES1
PE_3BIS
PE_8
R_10
SB_2M100A
SB_2M103
SU_2
TU_2S
U_2VS

(FLYABLE BLUE PLANES )
A6M2
A6M5A
BF_109E4
BF_109E4B
BF_109E7
BF_109E7NZ
BF_109F2
BF_109F4
BF_109G2
BF_109G6
BF_109G6Late
BF_109G6AS
BF_109G10
BF_109G14
BF_109K4
BF_109Z
BF_110G2
CR_42
F2A_B239
FW_190A4
FW_190A5
FW_190A6
FW_190A8
FW_190A8MSTL
FW_190A9
FW_190D9
FW_190D9LATE
FW_190F8
TA_152H1
G50
GLADIATOR1J8A
GO_229A1 ( Current bug has this a red plane )
HE_111H2
HE_111H6
HE_162A2
HurricaneMkIa
IAR_80
IAR_81A
IAR_80C
JU_87B2
JU_87D3
JU_87D5
JU_87G1
KI_84_IA
KI_84_IB
KI_84_IC
ME_163B1A
ME_262A1A
ME_262A1AU4
ME_262A2A
P_11C

(UNFLYABLE BLUE PLANES )
AR_196A3
BF_110C4
BF_110C4B
BLENHEIM1
BLENHEIM4
FI_156
FW_189A2
FW_200C3U4
GLADIATOR1
GLADIATOR2
HE_111Z
HS_129B2
HS_129B3Wa
JU_52_3MG4E
JU_52_3MG5E
JU_88A4
JU_88MSTL
MC_202
ME_210CA1
ME_210CA1ZSTR
ME_321
ME_323
MS406
MS410
MSMORKO
P_36A3
P_36A4

[This message was edited by mortoma on Thu June 03 2004 at 03:11 PM.]

[This message was edited by mortoma on Fri June 04 2004 at 11:34 AM.]

mortoma
06-01-2004, 12:49 PM
I have seen some posts by DuxCorvan and others that ask about getting the newer planes to show up in your offline campaigns as AI so you can fight against them. Well it's very easy. In the DGEN folder there are .DB files for various fronts/campaigns/subcampaigns and for various stages of the war, early, mid and late. I wanted to see the new FW-190A6 start showing up in my Berlin campaign where I'm currently flying a P-63. I found the file "Berlin.DB" and opened it in notepad. Under the heading called [Planes] I typed in the proper Dgen name for the A6 which happens to be "FW_190A6" and put the number 24 in front of it where the number 24 denotes how many are able to show up in that campaign at any time. If 24 or more are shot down then the Germans will have to wait to be resupplied with that plane. I have already shot down a few A6s!! I just put that as an estimate and you'll probably have to guess yourself on the number if you don't know the actual historical number. I doubt most of you will be so picky as
to be concerned about the number too much. Here is the way my Berlin.DB file looks in the planes section, to give you an idea. And below that I furnish all the current proper Dgen names for every plane in FB. ( Note: Remember you'll have to type in the exact Dgen code name perfectly or it will not work. )
[Planes]
34 IL_2Type3
10 IL_2Type3M
12 IL_4_IL4
6 LAGG_3SERIES66
2 LAGG_3IT
38 LA_5FN
27 LA_7
4 LA_7B20
28 PE_2SERIES359
4 PE_3BIS
12 P_39Q1
16 P_39Q10
10 P_63C
6 TU_2S
26 YAK_9D
10 YAK_9T
6 YAK_9K
12 YAK_9U
29 YAK_3
14 Yak_3P
12 BF_109G6AS
12 BF_109G10
40 BF_109G14
28 BF_109K4
8 ME_262A1A Galland_unmarked_262.bmp
6 ME_262A2A
14 FW_190A5
24 FW_190A6
42 FW_190A8
18 FW_190A9
28 FW_190F8 Fw190F8-SG2NM.bmp
15 FW_190D9
12 FW_190D9late
16 JU_87D3
21 JU_88A4
12 JU_52_3MG4E
2 ME_323
8 HE_162A2
6 HE_111H6
8 HS_129B2
5 HS_129B3Wa
1 FW_189A2
6 FI_156

Here are all the Dgen codes for both flyable and unflyable aircraft:
(FLYABLE RED PLANES )
BI_1
HurricaneMkIIb
HurricaneMkIIc
HurricaneMkIIbMod
I_153_M62
I_153P
I_16TYPE18
I_16TYPE24
I_16TYPE24DRONE
I_185M71
I_185M82A
IL_2_1940Early
IL_2_1940Late
IL_2_1941Early
IL_2_1941Late
IL_2I
IL_2MEarly
IL_2MLate
IL_2Type3
IL_2Type3M
IL_2T
LA_5
LA_5F
LA_5FN
LA_7
LA_7B20
LAGG_3SERIES4
LAGG_3SERIES29
LAGG_3SERIES35
LAGG_3SERIES66
LAGG_3IT
MIG_3EARLY
MIG_3SHVAK
MIG_3AM38
MIG_3U
MIG_3UB
MIG_3UD
P_38J
P_38L
P_39N
P_39Q1
P_39Q10
P_40E
P_40EM105
P_40M
P_47D10
P_47D22
P_47D27
P_51B
P_51C
P_51D5NT
P_51D20NA
P_63C
P_80A
SPITFIRE5B
SPITFIRE5BCLP
SPITFIRE5BLF
SPITFIRE5BLFCLP
SPITFIRE9C
SPITFIRE9CCLP
SPITFIRE9E
SPITFIRE9ECLP
SPITFIRE9EHF
TB_3_4M_17
TB_3_4M_34R
TB_3_4M_34R_SPB
YAK_1
YAK_1B
YAK_3
YAK_3P
YAK_7A
YAK_7B
YAK_9
YAK_9B
YAK_9D
YAK_9K
YAK_9M
YAK_9T
YAK_9U
YAK_9UT

(UNFLYABLE RED PLANES)
B_17G
B_25C25
B_25G1
B_25H1
B_25J1
C_47
G_11
IL_4_DB3B
IL_4_DB3M
IL_4_DB3T
IL_4_DB3F
IL_4_IL4
LI_2
MBR_2AM34
PBN1
PE_2SERIES1
PE_2SERIES84
PE_2SERIES110
PE_2SERIES359
PE_3SERIES1
PE_3BIS
PE_8
R_10
SB_2M100A
SB_2M103
SU_2
TU_2S
U_2VS

(FLYABLE BLUE PLANES )
A6M2
A6M5A
BF_109E4
BF_109E4B
BF_109E7
BF_109E7NZ
BF_109F2
BF_109F4
BF_109G2
BF_109G6
BF_109G6Late
BF_109G6AS
BF_109G10
BF_109G14
BF_109K4
BF_109Z
BF_110G2
CR_42
F2A_B239
FW_190A4
FW_190A5
FW_190A6
FW_190A8
FW_190A8MSTL
FW_190A9
FW_190D9
FW_190D9LATE
FW_190F8
TA_152H1
G50
GLADIATOR1J8A
GO_229A1 ( Current bug has this a red plane )
HE_111H2
HE_111H6
HE_162A2
HurricaneMkIa
IAR_80
IAR_81A
IAR_80C
JU_87B2
JU_87D3
JU_87D5
JU_87G1
KI_84_IA
KI_84_IB
KI_84_IC
ME_163B1A
ME_262A1A
ME_262A1AU4
ME_262A2A
P_11C

(UNFLYABLE BLUE PLANES )
AR_196A3
BF_110C4
BF_110C4B
BLENHEIM1
BLENHEIM4
FI_156
FW_189A2
FW_200C3U4
GLADIATOR1
GLADIATOR2
HE_111Z
HS_129B2
HS_129B3Wa
JU_52_3MG4E
JU_52_3MG5E
JU_88A4
JU_88MSTL
MC_202
ME_210CA1
ME_210CA1ZSTR
ME_321
ME_323
MS406
MS410
MSMORKO
P_36A3
P_36A4

[This message was edited by mortoma on Thu June 03 2004 at 03:11 PM.]

[This message was edited by mortoma on Fri June 04 2004 at 11:34 AM.]

Atomic_Marten
06-01-2004, 01:12 PM
Hope I see 'em all in .db files in the next patch http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif. Especially when it is not so much work to do. In fact, I don't know why programmers didn't include 'em in this patch(2.01). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
New planes in campaigns will also be welcomed. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Capt.England
06-01-2004, 01:59 PM
Well done matey! Thanks for the info. Any more tips out there? (like adding MP maps to a campaign)

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mortoma
06-01-2004, 02:16 PM
No sorry, I have no idea as to how to go about doing MP maps. But I will look into it shortly.

Kamikaze_Gibbon
06-01-2004, 02:28 PM
Mortoma,

Does this mean that I will be able to fly a Spitfire IX in campaigns or will it be AI only?

mortoma
06-01-2004, 04:06 PM
Well this particular post addresses people who wanted to see the new planes appear as AI but below I explain how to fly them too. I don't think the Spit IX was flown by the Russians as a lend-lease, like the Spit V was. But still if you want, you can put them in the Russian .Dat files so you can start a Russian campaign in it anyway. You can live in a fantasy "what if" land and just pretend it was used as a Lend-Lease plane by the Russian. I do this with the P-38 and it doesn't bother me at all. I can't afford to buy BoE at this time so that's how I get the P-38 into an offline campaign. Go to the Dgen folder and put the Spit IXs in either planesRuL.dat or planesRuF.dat, at the appropriate mid-war point. Bear in mind none of them appeared until Jan. '43. Just open the files in notepad and use the proper Dgen names I supplied in my first post. The planesRuL.dat file is for Leningrad/Finland campaign. The other one is the general Russian fighter campaign. If you have a current campaign going and want to change from the plane you are flying to a Spit IX, you have to go to your Russian campaign sub-folder under the Missions\RU folders and change the name of the plane you are flying to one of the Spit IX variant in the Status.dat file. As before, open it in notepad again and once you save it, you will fly one more mission in the old plane then you'll upgrade ( or downgrade ) to the Spit IX.

[This message was edited by mortoma on Tue June 01 2004 at 04:40 PM.]

Call_me_Kanno
06-01-2004, 04:21 PM
This link should explain how to get them in a campaign as flyable.

http://www.netwings.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=3117&forum=DCForumID18&viewmode=all

And this was posted as an update on how to get the clipwinged spits as flyable.

If you're interested, I figured out the correct way to add the clipped wing Spitfire's to any offline campaign. Use my editing method that I posted a while back and type in the two clipped-Spits as follows: SPITFIRE5BCLP SPITFIRE5BLFCLP This will give you either version for offline campaigns..

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faustnik
06-01-2004, 04:47 PM
Great info. Thank you! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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mortoma
06-01-2004, 05:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Call_me_Kanno:
This link should explain how to get them in a campaign as flyable.

http://www.netwings.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=3117&forum=DCForumID18&viewmode=all

And this was posted as an update on how to get the clipwinged spits as flyable.

If you're interested, I figured out the correct way to add the clipped wing Spitfire's to any offline campaign. Use my editing method that I posted a while back and type in the two clipped-Spits as follows: SPITFIRE5BCLP SPITFIRE5BLFCLP This will give you either version for offline campaigns..

http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v22/Kanno/Sig.jpg
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks Kanno, but what I just explained in my post is basically exactly the same thing
you have in your post. So it's just redundant.
I posted this method almost a year and half ago, even before Mudmovers did. I think I'm one of the first people to figure this stuff out, way back when the new Dgen system came out in the first release of FB. As soon as I got FB, I went and started looking at all the files and experimented. But thanks, maybe your way of explaining it is better than mine for some people.

mortoma
06-01-2004, 05:29 PM
I just put the Spitfire IXE in the planesRuF.dat file and it worked perfectly. I put it in the Kuban43 section of the file, like so:
[Kuban43]
YAK_9
YAK_9D
SPITFIRE5B
SPITFIRE9E
P_39N
P_40M
I_16TYPE24
LAGG_3SERIES29
LAGG_3SERIES35
LAGG_3SERIES66
LA_5
LA_5F
YAK_1B
YAK_7B
P_38J
P_38L
Notice I put some other planes ( some non-historical ) in there too, that were obviously not in there originally. Now I'm flying the Spit IXE in Kuban. It now appears in the drop-down list of planes when I start a Russian fighter career in 1943.

[This message was edited by mortoma on Tue June 01 2004 at 04:41 PM.]

Hrannar
06-01-2004, 06:06 PM
This trick works for online campaigns as well, the .DB files for that are in the NGen folder.

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Kamikaze_Gibbon
06-02-2004, 02:06 AM
Cheers Mortoma http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

SeaFireLIV
06-02-2004, 03:53 AM
Excellent information. Guess, if we can`t get the official chaps to do it we have to ourselves! Pity about the GO229 though...

Thanx anyway.

KGr.HH-Sunburst
06-02-2004, 06:38 AM
yes im flying offline with other planes for some time now and it rocks
its also very cool you can alter the role for an A/C like a P38 fighter only and a 110 as multirole

i did a P38 tour over berlin wich was awesome
Spit early in leningrad
110G2 over berlin,stalingrad and leningrad
to name a few

i also altered the default AI skin with hammerds for instance .
together with some Dgen tweaking like number of flights ,mission difficulty ,mission lenght etc...

and last but not least i changed the speech folder from russian to USA so to get a bit more US feeling when flying american planes
shame tho i dont know how to change the markings and squad insignas

all this together makes the dynamic campaigns so much more different and adds way more emersion


i never liked DCG so for me and maybe others this is the best replacement IMHO

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ELEM
06-02-2004, 08:33 AM
This is the single most useful thread I have seen on this forum for many a long time!
Thanks Mortoma.

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trebby0
06-03-2004, 01:23 AM
Great info mortoma!

I immediately went off to try and implement it on my off line campaigns. Now finally able to fly the LaGG3 srs29\35 in Stalingrad, and so on.

However, I am unable to get it done for the BF_109Z!
I can select it in the jabo career screen, but after selecting it the game freezes....

My questions:

1. How to get the BF_109Z to work in OFFline campaign (which exact files to modify, I´m not so good at this)

2. How to get the 109Z (or any other new plane) to be selectable during coop and campaign ONline play (which exact files where stored to file...)


Cheers! trebby

Capt._Tenneal
06-03-2004, 08:13 AM
mortoma what are the codes for the I-185 M-71 and I-185 M-82 ? They are left off your (very comprehensive) list of aircraft codes. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Is the I16TYPE24DRONE the Zveno SPB version ?

antifreeze
06-03-2004, 09:34 AM
Full lists (more or less) here:
www.9thAWACS.com (http://www.9thawacs.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=60)

http://forgotten.battles.pulpo.co.uk/il2logo.gif
9th AWACS is Recruiting: (http://www.9thawacs.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=19)
Accept all players (16+ years old).
Play FB for fun + VEF/VOW.
Fly when you want to (no minimum).
Training given on request.
Dedicated Teamspeak server.
Several other games played.
Members from all over Europe.

mortoma
06-03-2004, 10:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt._Tenneal:
mortoma what are the codes for the I-185 M-71 and I-185 M-82 ? They are left off your (very comprehensive) list of aircraft codes. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Is the I16TYPE24DRONE the Zveno SPB version ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The I-185s are there now, sorry.
Yes the drone is for the SPD TB3.

mortoma
06-03-2004, 10:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by antifreeze:
Full lists (more or less) here:
http://www.9thawacs.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=60

http://forgotten.battles.pulpo.co.uk/il2logo.gif
http://www.9thawacs.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=19
Accept all players (16+ years old).
Play FB for fun + VEF/VOW.
Fly when you want to (no minimum).
Training given on request.
Dedicated Teamspeak server.
Several other games played.
Members from all over Europe.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Antifreez, no need for anybody to go to any other site now, my list is now complete. I was in a hurry so I accidentally left out the I-185s, sorry.

mortoma
06-03-2004, 10:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by trebby0:
Great info mortoma!

I immediately went off to try and implement it on my off line campaigns. Now finally able to fly the LaGG3 srs29\35 in Stalingrad, and so on.

However, I am unable to get it done for the BF_109Z!
I can select it in the jabo career screen, but after selecting it the game freezes....

My questions:

1. How to get the BF_109Z to work in OFFline campaign (which exact files to modify, I´m not so good at this)

2. How to get the 109Z (or any other new plane) to be selectable during coop and campaign ONline play (which exact files where stored to file...)


Cheers! trebby<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Trebby, sorry but not all planes can be played in campaign mode. Starshoy, the one who developed Dgen, has some planes "locked out" of career mode as he sees fit. The 109Z is one as are all of the Japanese planes too if I remember correctly and probably the Go229. Before the patch, the HE-162 was locked out but now it's not only unlocked in this last patch, but they furnish it's own campaign that is selectable when you start a German career. So you don't have to edit files to fly it. Others that are locked out of camapaigns and won't respond to file editing are the Me-163,
He-111Z and P-80. No amount of file editing will
allow you to play those in campaigns. The only way to do it would be a pain. For example, to fly the P-80 in a camapign, you'd have to start a career in another red plane, then before you start the first mission, edit the mission in QMB and change the plane to a P-80 before you play the mission. From then on, you'd have to exit out of your career after every mission to edit the P-80 back into the newly generated mission by going into QMB and editing again. This is the only way one can fly the "locked out" planes.

[This message was edited by mortoma on Thu June 03 2004 at 10:45 AM.]

mortoma
06-03-2004, 11:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>2. How to get the 109Z (or any other new plane) to be selectable during coop and campaign ONline play (which exact files where stored to file...)


Cheers! trebby<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I know nothing of online coops, the online world is on another planet from the one I live on. I'm offline only!! I do think that as far as online campaigns go, if you have BoE, you'd have to edit the same types of files in the Ngen folder for the online campaign that that you edit for offline. I believe the files are similar. For example I think Ngen has "planes***.dat files too. Maybe you should go over to Simhq and ask Starshoy, he forgot more about this stuff than I will ever know. After all, Dgen and Ngen are both his creations so he has to know it all.

mortoma
06-03-2004, 11:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by antifreeze:
Full lists (more or less) here:
http://www.9thawacs.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=60

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http://www.9thawacs.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=19
Accept all players (16+ years old).
Play FB for fun + VEF/VOW.
Fly when you want to (no minimum).
Training given on request.
Dedicated Teamspeak server.
Several other games played.
Members from all over Europe.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I just checked that website, my list is better than yours, I have every single Dgen name now and you have several ommisions there.

mortoma
06-03-2004, 11:38 AM
By the way, it's a free forum and do what you want but I have had two posts in here now that people made directing them to other posts/websites that have a "better" planes list or supposedly something better. But out of respect for the half hour I spent on this post and the hard work I did to help people, if you direct them somewhere else you're trying to negate all that hard work. I would appreciate it if you started your own post rather than dragging mine down and making mine a waste of much time. However, it appears that I have helped some and most of them actually appreciate it. I can also assure you that my plane list is perfectly complete now.
I don't make it a habit to sabotage other people's posts, please don't do it to mine. Thank you, Mortoma

trebby0
06-03-2004, 12:08 PM
Thanks Mortoma!

For your swift and clear answer.
At least I am on the right track, though I fail to understand why these planes are locked out.
Yes, most of them never got beyond the design/prototype phase, but why not fly an what if campaign.
Guess I will have to ask Starshoi...

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mortoma
06-03-2004, 01:10 PM
Well, Starshoy is a great guy who is responsible for developing Dgen for FB. Before FB, there was no dynamic campaigns possible in the old IL2, only pregenerated static campaigns. So we should all be thankful for his hard work. However, like Oleg, he's a stickler for historical accuracy and has a major hang-up about it. It's no skin off of his nose if some of us would fly a KI-84C in a German campaign, if that's what would turn us on. Regardless of how absurdly unhistorical that would be, us "what if" or just plain strange characters should be allowed to do this type of stuff if we want. Alas, we have no choice in the matter. We are lucky he unlocked the He-162 for us. I along with some others, successfully pleaded the case over at SimHq and got him to to unlock the He-162. So thank me for whining about this and getting my way. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

mortoma
06-03-2004, 02:08 PM
Correction made: moved the two P-36s from red list to blue list, since they fly on the Finnish side as unflyable AI. Also triple checked my planes list against FMB list, and I have all 186 planes, both unflyable and flyable. My list is now perfect.

[This message was edited by mortoma on Fri June 04 2004 at 11:35 AM.]

Capt._Tenneal
06-03-2004, 02:37 PM
A wee suggestion on your plane list...maybe an asterisk (or some symbol) by the flyable DGEN aircraft. If I want to include this in the Planes.dat files to be flyable by me in the campaigns it would help to easily see which are the flyable planes. (Now you know how Oleg feels with all these "demands" from users http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

Other than that, thanks for your maintenance of the list.

mortoma
06-03-2004, 02:39 PM
An excellent idea!!! Will do something even better than that, I'll make four lists....Give me an hour or two.

Maj_Death
06-03-2004, 03:12 PM
Thanks for the list, I've had some trouble figuring out what some of the new planes names were. I did find another bug though. The Me-163 cannot be flown in campaign mode. I added it and got it to load, the only problem is it can't generate missions. So you end up with no briefing, no mission to fly, and not even a map to fly on. The rest seem to work though.

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mortoma
06-03-2004, 03:13 PM
There you go Tenneal, go to my first post and check it out, four different lists. 133 flyable planes if you count the Mistel and SPB variations, ( which are a tad redundant in my book. ) And 53 unflyables for 186 planes in all.....

[This message was edited by mortoma on Fri June 04 2004 at 11:36 AM.]

mortoma
06-03-2004, 03:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maj_Death:
Thanks for the list, I've had some trouble figuring out what some of the new planes names were. I did find another bug though. The Me-163 cannot be flown in campaign mode. I added it and got it to load, the only problem is it can't generate missions. So you end up with no briefing, no mission to fly, and not even a map to fly on. The rest seem to work though.

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http://www.bestanimations.com/Humans/Skulls/Skull-06.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I think there are still a few that are locked out of campaigns, if you look at one of my earlier posts I list most of them. I doubt you can fly campaigns in the 190 with the mistel, so add that to my list and I don't know about flying a campaign with the TB3-SPB either.
I have never tried it but I doubt you can.
So that leaves quite few aircraft in which camapigns are not possible, even if you edit the .dat files. So far I don't think you can start a campaign in any of the following aircraft, despite file editing:
GO-229
Me-163
Mistel
TB3-SPB???? (I'll try it)
All 5 Japanese planes
Bf-109Z
HE-111Z
P-80
BI-1 Russian rocket???? (I'll have to try this)

[This message was edited by mortoma on Thu June 03 2004 at 02:51 PM.]

mortoma
06-03-2004, 04:57 PM
I can confirm that none of the aircraft mentioned in the last post will work in campaign mode at all, regardless of putting them in planes###.dat or status.dat files. And for some strange reason, the plain non-SPB version of the TB3 model 34R will not work if you put it in the planesRuB.dat ( Russian Heavy Bomber campaign file) and I can think of no legitimate reason it should be locked out. Hmmmm........For now you can only fly the older TB3 model 17, which has no rear gunner.

antifreeze
06-03-2004, 06:38 PM
&gt; I just checked that website, my list is better than yours,
&gt; I have every single Dgen name now and you have several ommisions there.

Are you sure Mortoma!? I think you need to check again, and perhaps take your medication more regularly.

9thAWACS aircraft list (better than Mortoma's crappy thread) (http://www.9thawacs.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=60)

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Accept all players (16+ years old).
Play FB for fun + VEF/VOW.
Fly when you want to (no minimum).
Training given on request.
Dedicated Teamspeak server.
Several other games played.
Members from all over Europe.

mortoma
06-03-2004, 08:15 PM
Yea right, you guys probably fixed your site now ( using my list ) because this morning you had about 8 planes missing from it. You website stinks. Besides, I was probably the first person to figure out this stuff because when FB first came out in March '03, I noticed you couldn't fly the Bf-109E7Z in the career mode. So I fiddled with the files until I figured it out, two days after I got FB. I posted my findings in this forum and it was not long before a lot of people put it in other posts and websites, like Mudmovers. Of course I never got credit for anything. Not saying people wouldn't have figured this out anyway after a while. It's not rocket science, I only had to experiment a little. But I was probably the first to do it.

antifreeze
06-04-2004, 01:09 AM
&gt; Yea right, you guys probably fixed your site now (using my list).

I'd be stupid not to. And you didn't copy and paste anyones lists to collate yours? You put every single plane into a FMB mission and got the classes from the .mis file?
Your list was incomplete when you started this thread. The information is freely available to copy and paste (Eg. Mission building forum has a sticky thread, AWACS and other websites have comprehensive lists, and UQMG and DCG have most codes listed in their data files). You'd be a bit of a charlie if you didn't collate most of your list from other existing sources.

&gt; Your website stinks.
But we have a website! Not just a crappy thread that will be on page 30 in ten days time! lol!

&gt; Besides, I was probably the first person to figure out this stuff because
&gt;when FB first came out in March '03, I noticed you couldn't fly the Bf-109E7Z
&gt;in the career mode.

Yep, you and a hundred mission/campaign builders and all the 3rd party programmers. You're a real pioneer! I think you are ignorant to how many people are hacking FB; its nothing special and no-one else is shouting about it, is all. And really, who cares who was first? Are you eight years old by any chance?

&gt; Of course I never got credit for anything.

Aw... that really sucks! Maybe you should have copyrighted the process of putting a plane in FMB and looking at the .mis file. Better still, copyright Oleg's codes; you're acting as though you own them anyway! Well, if it's credit you want, let me just tell you that you've done some great, fantastic work there and I think everyone should pat you on the back and buy you a coke.

&gt; But I was probably the first to do it.

Don't you think all Starshoy's friends/squad had the full list way before you? All the guys that helped build and test VEF/VOW online wars would have had access to all the codes before you too. Uberdemon probably figured out before you. What about all the players who figured it out but didn't bother to go onto a forum shouting 'look how clever I am'! You were probably between the 100th and the 1000th to start editing the campaigns. There is no way of knowing who was first, and again, who cares?

And one more time:
9th AWACS very extensive aircraft list (http://www.9thawacs.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=60)

BTW, the red paragraph is my online impression of you. I'll delete that part in a few days when I get round to it (but I'll leave yo.. erm.. my very extensive list up). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Training given on request.
Dedicated Teamspeak server.
Several other games played.
Members from all over Europe.

mortoma
06-04-2004, 12:49 PM
You are something else, For one thing I didn't go into the forum in the early days of FB and shout "How clever I am!", I only posted on this stufff to actually help people, so I was being a better person than those who also knew how to do it but refused to share what they knew, thereby they were being selfish or lazy or indifferent. Of course Starshoy and friends had all those stupid names before I did!! He's the one who developed Dgen!! But I was only trying to say I was probably among the first, if not the first, to not only get the proper Dgen names ( without help ) but also to figure out how to put planes in campaigns that weren't allowed by the default state of the game, out of the box. And also how to change planes in the middle of a subcampaign and other neat tweaks. I never said it was a big deal or that anybody cares. I even made the comment in one of my last posts than anybody can figure this type of stuff out.
Naturally Starshoy and those close to him were privy to this info before I was. But his friends didn't have to experiment and figure it all out for themselves. I just bet I'm the first one to figure all this it out without help. And then I actually helped the community by posting the info, there was no bragging. A lot of people appreciated it and still do. I had all this figured out in two days after buying FB, back in early March of '03. My hard work has not just helped myself but many. Now I'm trying to get this stuff out to newbies. And there apparently are still a lot of new people who are surprised you can do this type of stuff. I'm helping these people and you are only flaming and hindering my post. I guess I come out of this looking better than you do.

[This message was edited by mortoma on Fri June 04 2004 at 12:19 PM.]

Atomic_Marten
06-04-2004, 01:24 PM
Your post is very informative, thanks for posting all this codes, you've save me a lot of time(although I know about this importing planes&.db's earlier-simply I don't collect all codes). Ther's been a threads about this earlier, but still lot of people don't know about this and it's good move to post it.

However, I think we all here need to take another step: I think there's a need for determination (at least approximatively http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) for a number of these all A/C's on specific maps. I've try for some links to determine it but it's quite hard job... however if it is important anyway(I don't know for sure what all these numbers before A/C codes means=I presume their quantity, but I've notice that would be too low... simply do not know).

If someone have some info about this, I'll be thankfull if I see it posted here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Atomic_Marten
06-04-2004, 01:33 PM
And yes.. I don't know if everyone here knows how to change default skins of AI A/C's in campaign--- just open proper .db file then list to your A/C and after it's number and name simply add the name of the skin.bmp

Example:
25 MIG_3EARLY Void.bmp
8 MIG_3UD Funky.bmp http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

they will all be white skinned http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (quite nice if u fly in summer conditions http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif)

antifreeze
06-04-2004, 02:06 PM
Nah not really. You are so conceited and arrogant compared to me! My first post in this thread was just to help someone out; they asked for info that you didn't supply, so I supplied it, no more, no less. I even thought the AWACS list could help you patch yours more quickly than doing it yourself.
But no. Off on your high horse, you start posting about how you are the number one authority, and no-one else (me inparticular) should pollute your thread, and how your list is somehow better than everyone elses. Like it contained magically different plane classes or something. lol.
I had hoped to show you how conceited you sound. Obviously it hasn't worked, You're still bragging in every sentence! LMAO. Still, it has been fun messing with you, even though it hasn't improved your introspection.

Well done, really. Good work on the plane codes. But surely you can just spread the information without coming across like you're our FB saviour!? We don't have a medal to give you. If you'd published your list on a website or even a sticky post (like ShadowSix did) and updated it since March '03, you would probably have the recognition that you are seeking, but you didn't; you are just another anonymous Joe who published yet another incomplete list, AND your initial instructions weren't that good either. So when someone (me) posts some info to help collate information more extensively, you shouldn't obviously publically chastise them; you should say 'thank you'.

Hope to meet you under nicer circumstances in the future. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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antifreeze
06-05-2004, 04:03 AM
And just to show my intentions were good, you are now imortalised and your work recognised on the AWACS webpage; you have your nickname in the same sentence as UberDemon (a great honour):

9thAWACS aircraft-classes list (http://www.9thawacs.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=60)

Salut.
See you in another thread! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Training given on request.
Dedicated Teamspeak server.
Several other games played.
Members from all over Europe.

Udidtoo
06-08-2004, 10:32 PM
This is a few days late but TY very much for sharing this info. There's room in my Simulated avaiation world for both historical accuracy and "what ifs ". Again, mucho gracias

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DuxCorvan
06-09-2004, 04:27 AM
Thank you a lot! I really needed this.

BTW, I know that 'locked' planes cannot be used as flyable. But, can they be used as AI?

It would be quite a surprise attacking an airfield and facing a squad of 'Komets' coming your way!

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mortoma
06-09-2004, 10:06 AM
Yes, they are usable as AI if you follow the instructions of my very first post in this thread.
The fact that Starshoy locked certain planes out of the Dgen.exe file does not have anything to do with them showing up as AI whatsoever.

Philipscdrw
06-16-2004, 10:12 AM
Antifreeze, your sig says that 9th AWACS only accepts players over 16 years old, therefore you are disqualified. Please leave this board and return to 9th AWACS, it will improve the quality of both boards.

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Blottogg
09-07-2004, 09:52 PM
At the risk of re-starting the tickle-fight, does anyone know if there is any way to designate an Ai aircraft type in the .DB file to fly for both sides? The Fins in particular used a lot of captured equipment, but I don't know how to get DGen to reflect this. The same goes for the US equipment on the Berlin map. Since US marked P-47's show up (despite there not being a P_47D27 entry in the Berlin.DB file, which is something else I haven't figured out), it's obviously possible to change aircraft's default country, but is this map specific? The thought of two formations of SB-2's with different markings passing each other enroute to their targets around Leningrad would be interesting. Romanian and/or Hungarian 109's operating alongside their German counterparts would also be nice to arrange, but I don't know how it's done.

While I'm on the subject of Red/Blue designation, is it possible to reflect the Romanian switch to the Red side in 44/45? Would this again be a map specific setting?

This whole thing started with my desire to see (and fight) all the new aircraft that were appropriate. Unfortunately my anal-retentiveness kicked in, and now I want to put all the historic aircraft I can in their correct places.

Thanks to Ian Boys, 88.IAP Sokol, CsThor, LLv34 Blaudreuz, ROSS Youss, SF Top Ace and Jurinko for the great spreadsheet of historically available types and numbers. BTW, it looks like there were more bombers and fewer fighters historically than Starshoy originally programmed for. It will be interesting to see how this shift affects the campaigns.

Blotto

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"Sight is life. Speed is merely groovy." - "Junior"

Blottogg
09-08-2004, 01:27 AM
I haven't found and answer to my previous questions, but have found out why none of the seaplanes are in the stock versions of the .DB files. DGen won't run with any seaplanes loaded. I tried MBR-2's and/or PBN1's in the Leningrad '41 .DB file, and got a "beep" everytime I hit the "generate" button, without being able to get to the first mission's briefing screen. Removing the seaplanes from the .DB file allowed the first campaign mission to be generated every time. Kind of a bummer not being able to see Gibb's hard work on the PBY in a campaign. Time to go remove all the seaplanes from the modified .DB files and try again.

Hopefully whatever software problem prevents the seaplanes from working correctly will be fixed with the next patch (along with 1C versions of the DGen files to include all the latest aircraft types?). Since seaplanes are going to play a much bigger role in PF, there has got to be some code floating around somewhere that allows seaplanes to work in a campaign. Of course I can't rule out operator error for this problem, either.

Blotto

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"Sight is life. Speed is merely groovy." - "Junior"

WTE_Galway
09-08-2004, 01:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mortoma:
The only way to do it would be a pain. For example, to fly the P-80 in a camapign, you'd have to start a career in another red plane, then before you start the first mission, edit the mission in QMB and change the plane to a P-80 before you play the mission. From then on, you'd have to exit out of your career after every mission to edit the P-80 back into the newly generated mission by going into QMB and editing again. This is the only way one can fly the "locked out" planes.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

depending on the format of the mission files might be possible to write a script to make that modification

useful thread

Friendly_flyer
09-09-2004, 03:24 PM
It worked!

I'm now flying an I-185 over the Kuban. Thanks!

Fly friendly!

Petter B¸ckman
Norway