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flyingskid2
01-09-2004, 02:34 PM
been playing on and off for a year but still not scoring kills online except for luck. how many more flying hours should i keep my patience before i quit?

flyingskid2
01-09-2004, 02:34 PM
been playing on and off for a year but still not scoring kills online except for luck. how many more flying hours should i keep my patience before i quit?

noshens
01-09-2004, 02:38 PM
You don't have to be ace to have fun. Try finding a friend with similar skill and practice with him. Its hard to became an ace when fighting aces that don't give you a chance to shoot a bullet before killing you.

Eagle_361st
01-09-2004, 02:45 PM
Well I have been flying in Flight Sims for 5 years now and I still get my rear handed to me alot of the time. But I don't fly to be the all-out "ace of aces", I fly because it's fun. Just when you feel that you can't be beaten is exactly when you do. And that is the best part of it, there is always something new to learn. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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TX-Zen
01-09-2004, 02:51 PM
I'd nominate Eagle for Ace status...the man is no joke in a mustang, let me tell you.

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jazman777
01-09-2004, 03:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingskid2:
been playing on and off for a year but still not scoring kills online except for luck. how many more flying hours should i keep my patience before i quit?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not being anything near an ace, it might be presumptious of me to offer advice here. I try my hand in a fighter every so often, and last time I was on VFC_HOST, and I almost knew what I was doing! Very limited icons, no padlock, no externals, I found my skills (SA) improving that way. I think my wife wondered what I was doing with my face 2 inches from the screen--I was looking for planes against the ground (I was trying to BnZ in an FW190), it's the only way for me to see them. No, I don't need/wear glasses (yet). I got one kill, chased a few bogeys off of teammates' tails, and even survived to land. With only one stall, too.

But I've found other ways to fight online. Flying target drones, uh, er, Bombers can be fun. You get to vulch, heh heh, if the bomber-vulching fighters don't get you first.

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01-09-2004, 03:34 PM
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I doubt I will ever be in this game! When I do have a nice run and get 1 or more kills I seldom make it home to tell about it. Kills can be easy enough to have, but the painting them on the side of fusalage and telling the story after a safe flight home is a completly different story for me. So body always finds me when I'm out of ammo and no freindlys near. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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01-09-2004, 03:36 PM
Where is RBJ when you need one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Lucius_Esox
01-09-2004, 04:01 PM
Not being an "Ace" I wouldn't really know. Surely there are too many "variables" online to ascertain wether or not everyone is playing by the same,,,,,,, rules!!
I don't mean that flipantly because some peoples desire to rack up kills "at any cost" must lead them to seek advantages that could be described as "not in the spirit" of things.
I say this because I remember reading something by RBJ once that definitely would give that player an advantage over others who cared about what the game looked like. Graphical adjustments are, I am sure, just one area of this.
Before some smart Alec tells me that it's because I am such a crappy pilot that I think people who go purely for the kill are being a bit unfair, it's not, simple as that.
Bit to easy to "load" the dice imho opinion online in this sim.
Playing over a lan where everyone was forced to use the same settings/setup/h/ware etc would do it.
If you wanna see how good you are get of yer arses and do something like boxing or chess, both pretty honest unless your into steroids or LSD!

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jamieandnici
01-09-2004, 04:02 PM
Actually guys, dare I say this....but online and offline in single player combat mode I HAVE NEVER EVER BEEN SHOT DOWN........EVER!!


Okay, im lying through my back teeth, but for a single minute there I nearly convinced myself. Wouldn't that of been great if it was real and you could say that.....Sod the 'its the taking part that counts'.....I cant even take off without getting my *** kicked out from behind me. Frustrating I'm sure you all find it. SO why do we continue to fly....BECAUSE WE LOVE TO GET OUR ASSES KICKED THATS WHY!! Regards ThE BaRoN

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Capt.LoneRanger
01-09-2004, 04:08 PM
Never quit.

You should always keep smiling, learn from other, adapt and improve your skills. It's like the real life out there: There's always somebody better than you.

Besides that, anybody calling himself an ace surely isn't one.


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arcadeace
01-09-2004, 04:26 PM
I'm an ace offline. I reckon its about 2000 kills to 152 losses. There's just no need to go online.

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Piaggio108
01-09-2004, 04:27 PM
I have been flying flight sims offline for 2-3 yrs and Il-2 for 3-4 months, and I just get killed in Il-2. It's fun anyway.

p1ngu666
01-09-2004, 04:42 PM
hmm, ace is 5 kills, and with no deaths
discounting lag death etc
for myself i dunno http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif some days u can do no wrong, other days u dire. play for the fun of it and u will improve, i noticed that on il2 racing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Lucius_Esox
01-09-2004, 05:40 PM
Pingu's comments about five kills without lag death etc making you an "ace" has changed my perspective a bit. Did that in a night once when the Hurry first came out and was noob dream. Shot 3 guys down circling their own airfield trying to get height and a further 4 later in the session without dyin!.....
lol, since then,, ah well, mm. I think all my luck came that night. Which if you consider it for the "average" Joe is about right. Yes I know the likes of Hartmann et al were incredably consistant and didn't appear to ride on luck, but it must be like the drunk driver coming round the blind bend at ya out of control,,,,, bam, luck!!

p1ngu666
01-10-2004, 10:48 AM
no, its luck and being good for them
if its your day, your going down

Bearcat99
01-10-2004, 01:32 PM
Ive been flying sims now almost daily for 3 years and before that sporadically for as long as I hcould find one. I am by no means an Ace..at least not online. Offline I go great. Even against Ace AI as long as I am not outnumbered and my help is not set to rookie or average. I just want to hav fun online. Sure ... I want thekills and I certainly dont want to go down in flames but its fun. I dont take the online stuff so seriously because of issues like lag, the live skill factor. I just want to have fun.

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Maj_Death
01-10-2004, 01:35 PM
I've been playing flight sims extensivly since about 1990. I have been playing the IL2/FB series for about 2 years and guess what, I still learn new things. I do claim to be an ace or atleast I was at one time. These days I mostly fly bombers. So if anything I am currently an ace tank buster http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. From my vast experience in flight sims, my advice is to play for fun. If you become an ace during the process then that is great but while these games are designed to be realistic and challenging, in the end they are just games and the point is to have fun. If they are not fun for you then don't play them.

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GoodKn1ght
01-10-2004, 01:43 PM
fly russian planes, ull be an ace in no time.

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01-10-2004, 02:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by arcadeace:
I'm an ace offline. I reckon its about 2000 kills to 152 losses. There's just no need to go online.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Why ruin the record or dent the ego, right? hehehe

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x__CRASH__x
01-10-2004, 02:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TX-Zen:
I'd nominate Eagle for Ace status...the man is no joke in a mustang, let me tell you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


hmmmmm

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michapma
01-10-2004, 03:04 PM
Ditto on the have fun part.

If you are looking to improve your online skills after a year of flying, why don't you consider looking for an appropriate squadron?

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RayBanJockey
01-10-2004, 03:16 PM
It took me about 6-8 months to become an ace.

This was about 6 years ago, when I started as a newbie to combat flight sims. The learning curve is different for all people. Some people may become an ace quicker, some may take longer, and some may never become an ace at all.

Part of being an ace is having good hand/eye coordination (for shooting/maneuvering). I have been playing video games and mastering them since a child in the 70's, so this part was already ingrained.

Another important part is having the proper controller interface to the game. Of course someone who flies with the keyboard will never become an ace. I recommend the Microsoft Force Feedback 2 and the CH Pro throttle USB (only) for optimal IL2/FB gaming function.

Once you become an ace, you are always an ace. When a new combat flight sim comes out, it is only a matter of collecting data and making some fine adjustments.

Just a word of warning though. Very few pilots online are aces. Don't expect it to happen, just see how far you can go. It is a tough thing to achieve ace status. You have to prove yourself to the best. Once you become an ace people will remember you and wish to fly with you, or at least say "uh oh" when you enter their server. Many people will want you to join their squad as well. Resist the temptation to join squads. This will cause you to fly with the same group of people too much. You will not be as exposed to all the aces online. The most you will become is a "big fish in a little pond". Aces do not like authority, or being "the catch of the day" for a squad. If you are an uber ace (like me) you will be able to take on entire squadrons at once.


Some of the simple fundamental things to becoming an ace are:

1)learn how to turn the best/win the loops (this requires elevator trim at speeds over 300km/h) One thing you will learn while looping at slow speeds is that even though you can pull tighter, for every plane there is a speed that you do not want to go below. There is a bell curve with regards to the best sustained speed you can do a complete circle in, and you need to discover the sweet spot.

2)Learn how to get the most out of your powerplant. How do I go the fastest? How long can I overheat? How do I climb the best? Now figure this out for every plane at every altitude offline in solo flight, and record the results. Now do you know why there are so few aces? You don't become an ace by being a casual flyer. You have to be hardcore.

3)Tactics. Don't go head to head with a fighter that has better guns than you, don't loop with a plane that can loop better than you. (this requires knowledge of the planes) Basicaly go away from disadvantages, and go towards advantages. Those are the two most basic rules. There are infinitely more things to learn regarding tactics. (the subject of head to head has not even been scratched here)

Finally, Just because you are an ace, does not mean that someone can't do something better than you. If you are a better overall pilot (with more knowledge) than them though, you can still find a way to win, or turn a disadvantage into a stalemate.

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Stalker58
01-10-2004, 03:16 PM
If you don't fly AT LEAST 20 hrs a week (online), then you gonna be noob for ever, just like me..there is plenty of people having more hrs in bf109 cockpit then Hartmann had I guess...
Maybe try flying 3xB20 La7 - fastest way to get ace status http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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FullFlaps
01-10-2004, 03:30 PM
What is the magic number of kills before one thinks of himslf as an ace? I believe in real war, it was 5. But what about a simulation, a game? Surely the # of kills would differ. I mean, it took quite a while to rack up 5 kills for allot of pilots in the real world. I know a few did it in 2 or 3 missions. But the majority had to work hard at it. Enough comrades here have started "ace threads" in the past. Let's think about coming up with a number that would constitue an ace in FB. I know it dosen't matter to some of us here, but maybe others would like to measure their skill in that way. Just a thought. Maybe a poll could give everyone an idea of a number and would allow all that wants to be a part of deciding and agreeing on a particular number for "AceHood". S!

arcadeace
01-10-2004, 04:06 PM
Even without the humility its well put Ray. If I ever went online I would never be an ace. I don't have the necessary time, and I know beyond all knowledge and coordination it has to continuously be sustained. I'll always be an uber newbie and stand on the outside with respect to onliners. Your's was a good read.

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RayBanJockey
01-10-2004, 04:07 PM
If there is a number, it's a ratio. It's subjective based on the type of server you play. Probably about 5 kills per death. Everybody gets killed online, even aces. If you don't play online, you can't be an ace.

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Dolemite-
01-10-2004, 04:44 PM
1............yeah................................. .......yeah, thats right 1 day.

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GoodKn1ght
01-10-2004, 04:54 PM
ive never seen this raybanjockey fly online which leads me to believe he is not an ace and his post is a bunch of hogwash.

Cajun76
01-10-2004, 05:36 PM
Yes, that's right GoodKn1ght, you two should duke it out, sometime. You are an online ace who can score at will, aren't you, GoodKn1ght?

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Copperhead310th
01-10-2004, 06:08 PM
Already did that Crash.

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Eagle_361st
01-10-2004, 07:01 PM
Oh oh....... Crash you have already burned me down a few times lol. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But we can do a 1v1 anytime, I am going to go practice now. I need it lol http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Eagle_361st
01-10-2004, 07:02 PM
Yeah Copper did a great job making me fight his fight in that Ki-84 low, slow and turning. I really hate doing it, but will if I have too. Great flying again Copperhead ~S! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Maj_Death
01-10-2004, 07:12 PM
I think what defines someone as an ace is usually one of two things, they can either dominate a server or they can achieve a good and consistant kill ratio. Something on the order of 5 to 1. Of course this doesn't extend well to mudmovers and for them I would rate them as aces based on how many successful bomb runs they make per loss. 5 successful bombruns per loss would make me willing to call them an expert mudmover assuming there was moderate or heavy enemy air defenses. 5 successful sorties against an undefended target doesn't count.

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SpremeCommander
01-10-2004, 07:24 PM
"ive never seen this raybanjockey fly online which leads me to believe he is not an ace and his post is a bunch of hogwash."

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Maj_Death
01-10-2004, 09:57 PM
No one has ever seen RBJ online.

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Suckerpunch11
01-11-2004, 05:08 AM
He will arrogantly talk about what a great "ace" he is, but for some reason he doesn't dare show his face online. Hmmm.

RayBanJockey
01-11-2004, 07:55 AM
One time I met Maj_Death on a cockpit server. I was flying home in my MiG with a few kills under my belt and an injured plane. I looked through the clouds and saw Maj_Death traveling below on the way to my base. I decided to take a gamble and engage. I swooped down and came up and under Maj_Death, pelting him with some bullets I had left. He took evasive action. My mistake was I decided to loop with him in an injured MiG. Only if he knew the flaps exploit in the German planes could he win. well, he did. He used the flaps exploit to gain close quarter E on me to rise, leaving me below and soon to be running but not able to get away, and therefore dead.

The morale of the story is, always assume the other pilot is an ace (if you want to fly your best).

Sadly, the flaps exploit in German planes is no more. This was a great way to engage Russian planes in a close quarters knife fight. Luckily, the prop pitch exploit has now taken it's place.

Aces always remember the details of fights with other aces, for the rest of their lives and beyond.

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Platypus_1.JaVA
01-11-2004, 08:33 AM
Is it the coming back of RBJ? Can it be true? How's your ace guide coming along RBJ?

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p1ngu666
01-11-2004, 08:54 AM
rbj uses a alias or several. to the best of my knowledge ive never come across him http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

anyone know if a guy called wallby a famous recon pilot shot anyone? he was called a ace, but recon planes didnt fly with guns and ammo usealy
for speed if u wonderin

CARBONFREEZE
01-11-2004, 01:56 PM
For IL-2 I would say it took me about 5 months to consider myself an "ace" in the Fw-190 after transitioning from EE:AH/CH and LB2. This is before we had to start waiting for FB..

I consider WUAF_CO_Hero and WUAF_LTG_BULL aces as well.

Approximately 2500 kills online in IL-2/FB in the Fw-190. 2300 of those in Full Real (or Full Difficulty, whatever you call it) and Full Real+Speedbar. I average about 3 kills per sortie, and I usually return to base.

RayBanJockey is a joke, he starts rediculous threads in this forum but I have never seen that alias online.

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Rocky543
01-11-2004, 02:05 PM
I don't know if I would call myself an ace, but, I am really good at taking planes down. Usually I get about 4-8 planes down a game.

SpremeCommander
01-11-2004, 03:20 PM
An interesting and informative post by RBJ! We can all learn from it. When he says "always assume the other pilot is an ace", I have to say that's the best advice he's ever given. As far as the details of the encounter, his errors can be a good lesson for us:

"I was flying home in my MiG with a few kills under my belt and an injured plane. I looked through the clouds and saw Maj_Death traveling below on the way to my base. I decided to take a gamble and engage."

MISTAKE #1. Never engage without an advantage. Although RBJ had altitude advantage, it should be assumed that no crippled plane can sustain a fight. The MiG doesn't have the firepower to get a first-pass kill in most cases.

"I swooped down and came up and under Maj_Death, pelting him with some bullets I had left."

MISTAKE #2. If you have a clean shot from above, take it. Here RBJ senselessly dives below his target, sacrificing precious energy, which he should have been stingily guarding for a possible disengament attempt.

"He took evasive action. My mistake was I decided to loop with him in an injured MiG."

MISTAKE #3. At least he recognizes this mistake. Although "looping with" someone is vague terminology, RBJ could have zoomed back to altitude, re-appraised the situation, the made the decision to disengage or repeat the attack.

"Only if he knew the flaps exploit in the German planes could he win."

MISTAKE #4. Not true. By this point RBJ had stretched his neck out and handed Maj_Death a knife. RBJ was now in a rapidly worsening energy state, in a damaged plane with average firepower, with little hope a ligitimate disengagement path, against a good pilot.

"He used the flaps exploit to gain close quarter E on me to rise, leaving me below and soon to be running but not able to get away, and therefore dead."

MISTAKE #5 (Final mistake) Here we witness the second mistake turning into disaster. Rather than planning a good "see/decide/attack/disengage/repeat" move, after the first pass RBJ is out of ideas and simply decides to run.


So, here we see a snack dropping out of the sky for Maj_Death to feast on. I can remember, early on in playing flight sims, making foolhardy engaments like this. I would say the best thing you can do is take a moment to reflect on the fight and see where you went wrong. If in conclusion you decide that a "flap exploit" (or something like this) was your undoing, I'd say you're barking up the wrong tree. For RBJ, I would recommend reading "Fighter Combat" by Robert Shaw. (For FB, you can skip the chapters on missiles, of course). It can help tremendously.

Lucius_Esox
01-11-2004, 05:58 PM
It's good to see people talking honestly about the realities of becoming an ace, i.e. as MD put it "being able to dominate a server"... must be a good feeling.
Rbj's comments as always, spot on.
Not everyone can be an "Ace" but you gotta be bettering something by trying!
Same old story really,,, you get out of it what you put into it.

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RayBanJockey
01-11-2004, 07:13 PM
SpremeCommander, you know nothing of the flap exploit which I speak. In IL2, you used to be able to use takeoff flaps to hold a riser at 120km/h in the 109/190's. It was the only way German planes could out-do the russians in close quarters.

And second read my post. I said "up and under" smartypants. That means I was shooting him on the way up. (not your erroneous assumption that I was shooting him on the way down and then diving below below him)

3rd it was just seeing what would happen. Online aces don't always puss out, and "do the safest thing". If they are bored, (which can happen alot in FR servers) a FW on their six is better than no FW at all.

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SpremeCommander
01-11-2004, 10:04 PM
RBJ:

"And second read my post. I said "up and under" smartypants. That means I was shooting him on the way up. (not your erroneous assumption that I was shooting him on the way down and then diving below below him)"

You said, and I quote:

"I swooped down and came up and under Maj_Death, pelting him with some bullets I had left."

I think it you that needs to re-read the posts. I was merely pointing out the tactical error of diving down BELOW a target in order to pull back up and get a shot. The lower you dive, the more energy you are forsaking. Always think about energy management!

I was pointing out that error, combined with the error of immediately pressing the attack, i.e. "looping" with the bogey, was what doomed you.


And, oh:

"In IL2, you used to be able to use takeoff flaps to hold a riser at 120km/h in the 109/190's."

Yeah, okay. Neat. However, in this engagement, there should have been no need to have been suckered into a ploy like that. Keep your speed up! If you do this, you never need to worry about a flap "exploit". Remember:

"RBJ could have zoomed back to altitude, re-appraised the situation, the made the decision to disengage or repeat the attack."

Try this next time, instead of senslessly bleeding off energy and falling victim to something like an ultra-slow flap technique. In fighter combat doctrine, one trades energy for position. In this case you quickly came up with neither.

And I appreciate the need to "see what will happen" in an engagment without advantage. However, if you can't draw the correct conclusions from a defeat, you will forever be doomed to mediocrity. I will again recommend "Fighter Combat". The info contained therein will definitely help.

BfHeFwMe
01-11-2004, 10:58 PM
How many bronc's you got to break to be a dime store cowboy? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Dolemite-
01-11-2004, 11:08 PM
It looks like RBJ is "cleaning his pipes" in his sig.

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Suckerpunch11
01-11-2004, 11:21 PM
That's not him. It's some guy named "Super Greg". RBJ stole his image.

Check it out:

http://www.geocities.com/goodgawd2001/

http://www.talonse.com/supergreg.swf

Dolemite-
01-11-2004, 11:30 PM
Hahaha, That uni-brow, what the hell is up with that?

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RayBanJockey
01-12-2004, 01:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SpremeCommander:
RBJ:
You said, and I quote:

"I swooped down and came up and under Maj_Death, pelting him with some bullets I had left."

I think it you that needs to re-read the posts. I was merely pointing out the tactical error of diving down BELOW a target in order to pull back up and get a shot. The lower you dive, the more energy you are forsaking. Always think about energy management!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Energy is nice to have, like money. But if you never use it, you are the same as a poor person. Don't be a cheapskate. Like I said, aces don't always climb to 10,000m and be all anal about their energy. Sometimes they like to challenge someone in a higher state of E, to see what their made of. Sometimes they like to dive into the middle of a furball AND STAY THERE just to see if they can clear it out at once. Only when an ace feels his dominance is being threatened, (or when dying would eliminate them from a server) do they pull out all the stops.

When you see a pilot below you flying level the same way as you, you dive behind them, and come up under them shooting and keep going up (behind them). I really don't understand how you think it could have been done better. You certainly don't shoot them on the way down and then fly below and in front of them. Like I said you are GOING to pass them. Shooting them from above in range and never going below them is technically impossible with a high closure rate. Approaching them level from the rear yeilds too low a target area. (keep reading your books)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I was pointing out that error, combined with the error of immediately pressing the attack, i.e. "looping" with the bogey, was what doomed you.
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And you were incorrect. My initial strike had nothing to do with my demise.

After the initial pass I could have very well done what I wanted, but I choose to initiate a turn and burn. I lost and I said why. The rest of your post simply states what I already said (redundant)

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Suckerpunch11
01-12-2004, 01:46 AM
You have every right to ignore energy when in a fight. You are also free to dismiss the study of sound tactical doctrine. But don't expect stellar results. I am only trying to help you.

I found your original account to be noteworth because it was so rife with blunders. It is really something newer players could learn from--a real "this is not the way to do it" kind of post. If you rethink your approach and commit yourself to learning some sound tactics, you'll be taking the first step toward improvement and increased enjoyment of this great sim. There are also many great pilots who visit this forum that would be happy to help you.

SpremeCommander
01-12-2004, 01:52 AM
Oops. I just posted (above) under my old name, Suckerpunch. I gotta remember to stop doing that!

SpremeCommander

bazzaah2
01-12-2004, 05:34 AM
I do OK (on average that is; usually v badly and sometimes v well), but am not an ace. I just fly for fun.

But the thing with online play is that I can never go back to offline play now except for practice and screenies.

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Lithium1970
01-12-2004, 05:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingskid2:
been playing on and off for a year but still not scoring kills online except for luck. how many more flying hours should i keep my patience before i quit?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


One word: Practise