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BSS_CUDA
08-08-2004, 07:53 AM
this is more a curiosity question than anything. but I was wondering if the blackouts are modeled different for different aircraft. it seems to me like the 109's dont black out as easy as any of the Allied planes. I watch them do High Speed Manouvers that have me blacking out in seconds while chasing them. its not a whine, I'm just curious. I'll just be changing my tactics if this is the case. does anyone know?

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That was some of the best flying I've seen yet! right up to the part where you got killed.
you NEVER NEVER leave your wingman.

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BSS_CUDA
08-08-2004, 07:53 AM
this is more a curiosity question than anything. but I was wondering if the blackouts are modeled different for different aircraft. it seems to me like the 109's dont black out as easy as any of the Allied planes. I watch them do High Speed Manouvers that have me blacking out in seconds while chasing them. its not a whine, I'm just curious. I'll just be changing my tactics if this is the case. does anyone know?

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USN retired

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That was some of the best flying I've seen yet! right up to the part where you got killed.
you NEVER NEVER leave your wingman.

Jester : TopGun

carguy_
08-08-2004, 08:02 AM
I have the same feeling but ppl explain that 6G is the limit for every plane and whereas Me109 can`t pull that in any other than high speed,the Spit does it easily.

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MEGILE
08-08-2004, 08:18 AM
I thought Oleg mentioned that the LW and Russkis had it simulated that their seats were angled back slightly, so they could pull harder meneuvres before blacking out.. whereas the British and American planes were unable to change the angle of the seats..so they would blackout slightly sooner

http://www.5thairforce.com/e107_files/public/p51darkj.jpg

horseback
08-08-2004, 10:36 AM
Note also, that when you are 'following' an enemy a/c through a high G maneuver, you are trying to catch up and most likely attempting to pull a little tighter, or cut the corner on him, hence inducing a higher G for yourself.

cheers

horseback

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sniper-690
08-08-2004, 10:47 AM
I blackout in the Spit all the time, its a pisser, but lets me know how close to the edge I'm getting http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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S 8
08-08-2004, 11:35 AM
One AC I have hard time with blackouts is La7.

purzel08
08-08-2004, 04:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
this is more a curiosity question than anything. but I was wondering if the blackouts are modeled different for different aircraft. it seems to me like the 109's dont black out as easy as any of the Allied planes. I watch them do High Speed Manouvers that have me blacking out in seconds while chasing them. its not a whine, I'm just curious. I'll just be changing my tactics if this is the case. does anyone know?

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USN retired

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That was some of the best flying I've seen yet! right up to the part where you got killed.
you NEVER NEVER leave your wingman.

Jester : TopGun<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Taylortony
08-08-2004, 04:26 PM
Strangly enough and a bit sad really, but a fellow squadron pilot of Bader stated that one of the advantages Bader had over all of the other pilots was he could pull and sustain higher G's than anyone else both allied and axis due to the fact he had no legs. This meant that the blood could not pool lower in the body as it did with everyone else, because the lower part was missing, hence he had a far greater G tolerance as the blood simply did not drain away from the brain as quickly or as far.

Bearcat99
08-08-2004, 05:16 PM
Are you talking offline or online.. if offline.. I dont think the AI blacks out. If online then...... what they said.

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LeadSpitter_
08-08-2004, 09:04 PM
get the programs udpspeed or il2fbdatapoll at simhq.com

its very interesting the german, vvs and spitfire aircraft can hold 6-7gs and have full control but slightly slowed down at a 75% blackout. They also have the ability to come out of the blackout when ever wanted with a simply trottle back or stick forward.

the p51b c d blackout at 4-5g and a 75 blackout where you can still see thru the black haze but controls are completely locked for about 20 seconds or more.

Pretty messed up if you ask me, also no gsuit for the p51 which they wore from 44 up. and it seems the incline of the seat and leg positioning has nothing to do with blackout levels

I think oleg did the lower blackout and longer blackout for the p51 becuase of its super elevator effectiveness.

It really does not make sense to me and there is nothing i seen on the p51 that states this problem, test it for yourself with udpspeed and il2fbdatapoll.

maybe oleg should do random blackout levels for all a/c being each pilot took g's differently, it would also get rid of the low blackout and stick lockup for certain aircraft which did not have that problem.

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LuftLuver
08-08-2004, 09:57 PM
The blackout for the P51 is really very silly. Another gimmick to keep the playing field even for the LW.

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F19_Ob
08-09-2004, 12:14 AM
It should be like this:
The different blackouts partly have to do with elevator effectiveness.
A plane with very effective elevator during high speeds can pull high G's in notime (P51d for example)( this is a problem with jetfighters today). The bf 109 on the other hand has very effective lowspeedhandling but stiff elevator at high speeds and cant reach the high G's that the p51 do.
How it is in fb I'm not fully clear yet....but it seems right...... at the moment.

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Oh...thnx for the tip Leaddie.