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hughlb2
06-19-2004, 09:38 PM
Just wondering what your favourite variant is of these two great adversaries.

I would have to say the mkVIII for the spit because to me its the perfect Merlin variant. Retaing the handling characteristics of earlier marks and adding excellent performance. Probably the most elegant of them all too, with little touches like the retractable tailwheel.

For the 109 I would probably say the F4, just from experience flying in FB. Its a real pleasure to fly, unlike the final variants which are rockets with wings or the earlier emil's that lack performance. But thats just me, I fly spits anywayhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

hughlb2
06-19-2004, 09:38 PM
Just wondering what your favourite variant is of these two great adversaries.

I would have to say the mkVIII for the spit because to me its the perfect Merlin variant. Retaing the handling characteristics of earlier marks and adding excellent performance. Probably the most elegant of them all too, with little touches like the retractable tailwheel.

For the 109 I would probably say the F4, just from experience flying in FB. Its a real pleasure to fly, unlike the final variants which are rockets with wings or the earlier emil's that lack performance. But thats just me, I fly spits anywayhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Chuck_Older
06-19-2004, 10:39 PM
Well, I like the MarkV, as do a lot of real warbird pilots. The 'baby Spit' is thought by many to be the most perfect.

For '109s, I like the G2.

It might also be worth noting that after the Battle of Britain, the FW190 and the Spitfire were perhaps the two planes to contrast and compare, since the 190 surprised Spit pilots when it appeared.

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DeerHunterUK
06-20-2004, 05:24 AM
For me personally my favourite Spitfire is the Mk IX. There's not too many planes that were designed purely as a stop-gap design until something better comes along and ends up staying in production for more than half the War until it's end. The 190 was a shock for Mk V Spitfire pilots but the Mk IX was a cold hard slap in the face for the 190 pilots when it arrived on the scene in '42.
MY favourtie 109 is probably the F series as it represents probably the best dogfighter of the 109 series.

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Franzen
06-20-2004, 05:27 AM
I love the 109 F2, F4, and G2. They are equally my favorites.

As for the Spits, I have no favorite, I love to shoot all of them. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

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WOLFMondo
06-20-2004, 05:28 AM
For the Spitfire its got to be the XIV or VIII.

My favorite BF109 is the G6/AS.

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Monson74
06-20-2004, 05:33 AM
109 F4 vs MkVb is a fair & fun battle IMO.

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OldMan____
06-20-2004, 07:25 AM
I am not a 109 driver (am 190 ) so can someone say why F4 and G2 would be better than G6 and G10 for example?

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06-20-2004, 07:30 AM
I'll have a Spit XIV or F.24, but a Seafire 47 would be better http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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Chuck_Older
06-20-2004, 07:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OldMan____:
I am not a 109 driver (am 190 ) so can someone say why F4 and G2 would be better than G6 and G10 for example?

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Billy_BigBoy
06-20-2004, 07:50 AM
For me it is the Spitfire Mark IX CW.
Fine handling, I like the armament, but hard to land.
(And she's a beauty http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif)

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OldMan____
06-20-2004, 07:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:


http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif
The only two 109s I can hit anything with are the E4 and the G2


<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

but you are talking about turn fight right? Because in B&Z I feel the G10 as the best one at least in the few ocasions a flew it. (still prefer the dora since its cockpito dos not make you more blind than 109 cannon)

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!

Owlsphone
06-20-2004, 08:03 AM
I don't usually fly LW but something about the Emil's square wings just does it for me.


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ASM 1
06-20-2004, 08:13 AM
Spitfire

XIV or IXHF....

109 - looks F4, G2. Meanness G6AS/K4....although the K14 sounds pretty bada$$ as well!

not really a 109/spit flier ingame although used to fly K4 a lot - fave drive is the TA 152.

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SUPERAEREO
06-20-2004, 08:19 AM
Ingame Spitfire LF Mk.IXe and Bf.109 G2 or G14

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hughlb2
06-20-2004, 08:25 AM
"For me it is the Spitfire Mark IX CW.
Fine handling, I like the armament, but hard to land." - Billy_BigBoy

"Ingame Spitfire LF Mk.IXe" - SUPERAEREO


You guys are refering to the 2.02 IX arn't you? Because the 2.01 version is...http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

I am waiting out the official patch, but from what I hear the .02 IX is sweeeet, would I be right in saying this?

Owlsphone
06-20-2004, 08:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hughlb2:
"For me it is the Spitfire Mark IX CW.
Fine handling, I like the armament, but hard to land." - Billy_BigBoy

"Ingame Spitfire LF Mk.IXe" - SUPERAEREO


You guys are refering to the 2.02 IX arn't you? Because the 2.01 version is...http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

I am waiting out the official patch, but from what I hear the .02 IX is sweeeet, would I be right in saying this?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


SUPERSWEET.


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Owlsphone
06-20-2004, 08:31 AM
double post

[This message was edited by Owlsphone on Sun June 20 2004 at 08:08 AM.]

hughlb2
06-20-2004, 08:36 AM
"SUPERSWEET" - Owlsphone

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif This is sending me insane, please for the love of god release the patch ubi! I want my fixed spithttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

SUPERAEREO
06-20-2004, 08:38 AM
No, I have not downloaded the 2.02 and was actually referring to the LF Mk.IX (Clipped Wings).

It may not be superfast but it handles well, turns sweetly, rolls nicely, it's a stable gun platform and it's well armed.

I find it one of the most enjoyable planes to fly in absolute.

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OldMan____
06-20-2004, 09:57 AM
MK IX is dammit good plane as it is now. People seems to only bother with turn fight and pure B&Z.. MK IX can make a very good energy fighter since it keeps a lot of energy.. and has a very powerful punch with those hispanos.

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!

hughlb2
06-20-2004, 10:37 AM
"MK IX is dammit good plane as it is now. People seems to only bother with turn fight and pure B&Z.. MK IX can make a very good energy fighter since it keeps a lot of energy.. and has a very powerful punch with those hispanos."

By "now" i'm assuming you mean 2.01? This FM is apparently incorrect, otherwise Oleg wouldn't be taking the time to change it. If you think its good now, you will be Very Happy with the fixed versionhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I agree, Hispanos = http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

ASM 1
06-20-2004, 10:47 AM
if Hispanos = http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif
then Mk 108 = http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif
and Mk 103 = http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif
else 37mm = http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif and 1/2 (loses .5 for ROF)
BK5 = http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif (sniper's choicehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)


http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/353.gif I know .... sorry LOL! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Edit:- Hmm, lots of synchronised bowing going on - cool http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif LOL! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

S!

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hughlb2
06-20-2004, 11:16 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif hey Andrew do you ever sleep?!!!hehe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I agree with all those except swap the mk108 with the Hispanos, I prefer high muzzle velocity over the larger cannonhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

anyway, back to the USA F1

ASM 1
06-20-2004, 11:54 AM
sleep?! wassat? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif lol http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Nah, get plenty, just at odd times - got a dissertation deadline in the next fortnight so I am working as and when it takes my fancy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Sadly no time for FB/AEP though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif - too involving/Addictive - nearest I get is these forums. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

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OldMan____
06-20-2004, 01:12 PM
Hispanos are MUCH better than Mk108 in this game.

If I had My DORA with 2 hispanos and 2 M2 .50 I would dare even to face a horde of La7 while still flying with my landing gear down :P

And NO.. I WONT BE HAPPY. I Fly Dora.. not spits.. so I wont be happy with a even deadlier foe. Just hope the rummors about better energy manteinance on FW are true. I would also love an AIM-9L with it.. but.. I cant have everything

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!

dadada1
06-20-2004, 01:48 PM
Favourite Spit is the one going down in flames. 109, has to be the G6AS which has the best balance of virtues with regard to speed climb and manouverability. To me it is one of the best looking as well.

KaRaYa-X
06-20-2004, 02:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hughlb2:
Just wondering what your favourite variant is of these two great adversaries.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My list (which contains only in-game variants):

Spitfires: -MkIXe 1943 (what a mean firepower... rips fighters into half in no time; very nice handling)
-MkV LF 1942 (for some fun flying)

Bf109s: -Bf109G2 (my all-time favourite because it is the last true air-superiority version of this legend and it just handles SO sweet!)
-Bf109K4&DB605DB engine (performance wise clearly the best Bf109 with an amazing high-alt speed, climbrate and firepower... however its handling isn't that nice anymore)
Anyway if he had a K with the DB605DC engine I would probably convert to that one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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WTE_Galway
06-20-2004, 05:36 PM
the BoB period pre-patched Emil without the auto prop pitch

and obviuosly (though we do not have it)the Mk I spitfire to match it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sarpedon688
06-20-2004, 07:37 PM
Would have to be the MK XVIII spitfire for me purely on the looks basis. The Griffon engine and the bubble canopy with the smaller tail than the MK XXII added up to give, IMHO the best looking spit.

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Ironman69
06-20-2004, 11:47 PM
I like the Bf-109E-4. It looks sinister and looks like it was made by the Devil himself. The ones with the yellow noses and tails.

Billy_BigBoy
06-21-2004, 04:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hughlb2:
"For me it is the Spitfire Mark IX CW.
Fine handling, I like the armament, but hard to land." - Billy_BigBoy

"Ingame Spitfire LF Mk.IXe" - SUPERAEREO


You guys are refering to the 2.02 IX arn't you? Because the 2.01 version is...http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

I am waiting out the official patch, but from what I hear the .02 IX is sweeeet, would I be right in saying this?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, actualy not. "Just" the 2.01 version of the Spit. She's a realy fine piece of craft.

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JG5_UnKle
06-21-2004, 05:06 AM
Any spitfire variant - as long as it is on fire and preferably minus a wing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

G-6 Late as an all-round 109, good visibility the choice of 20mm or 30mm cannon and average if not stellar performance with 13mm MG's instead of the G-2 with its 7.9mm door-knockers.

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Kamikaze_Gibbon
06-21-2004, 09:28 AM
My favourite Spitfire variant modelled in game would have to be the MkIXe.

As for 109 variants I prefer the Emil - it looks so purposeful and menacing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif.