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eXtra_Corrosiv
07-20-2004, 04:48 PM
Every picture I see of corsairs looks like it has 6 fifties on it. We used to have a show in the US called "black sheep squadron" about a corsair squad in the pacific theatre in WWII.

I remember an episode where they were having trouble getting the 20mm rounds they needed for their 4 x 20 mm cannons. My questions are manifold.

A) am I Insane?

B) was black sheep wrong

C) is there a 4 x 20 variant I havent seen?

d) will the 420 be in pacific fighters?

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eXtra_Corrosiv
07-20-2004, 04:48 PM
Every picture I see of corsairs looks like it has 6 fifties on it. We used to have a show in the US called "black sheep squadron" about a corsair squad in the pacific theatre in WWII.

I remember an episode where they were having trouble getting the 20mm rounds they needed for their 4 x 20 mm cannons. My questions are manifold.

A) am I Insane?

B) was black sheep wrong

C) is there a 4 x 20 variant I havent seen?

d) will the 420 be in pacific fighters?

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PBNA-Boosher
07-20-2004, 04:50 PM
There was indeed a version with 4 20mm cannons. however, the firepower was decided not necessary and later variants jumped back to 6 .50's.

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eXtra_Corrosiv
07-20-2004, 04:52 PM
I found a whole cast and episode list along with a couple of pics of the corsairs they still look like 6 x .50 to me.

http://www.acepilots.com/misc_baa_baa.html

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Udidtoo
07-20-2004, 04:59 PM
Man, if remembering Baa Baa Blacksheep qualifies one as older then I must be a frikin Dinosaur because I watched The Rifleman, The Bounty Hunter and Johny Yuma as a boy.

Anyone else ever saw the stock off their plastic Winchester to play a more convincing Steve McQueen? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

All my Blacksheep memories run togather into one lump of "Riceballs at 4:00!" and "OK, Boy-ing-ton"

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PBNA-Boosher
07-20-2004, 05:00 PM
Then, yeah, the writers were just being stupid then.

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DuxCorvan
07-20-2004, 05:03 PM
Maybe some of those early non-bubble canopy Corsairs, with horribly handicapped out vision that impeded them to make carrier ops, had 20mm when they were supplied to Commonwealth. At first, British crews had much more availability of 20mm ammo than .50 rounds.

And some could be retained and transformed to be used with Black Sheep.

But also late USN aircraft, as Bearcat and Tigercat used 20mm. Maybe late Corsairs, too?

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VW-IceFire
07-20-2004, 05:05 PM
Some Corsairs were equipped with 4x20mm cannons. It wasn't as common as the 6 .50 cal were considered more than sufficient against their adversaries. Nonetheless, ground attack missions sometimes required a heavier armament and thus the cannon armed Corsair.

Bearcats were not armed with 20mm for at least 2 years after the war was over. In the meantime, the 4 .50cal was deemed sufficient considering the Bearcats performance.

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JG7_Rall
07-20-2004, 07:04 PM
The later corsairs are the ones that had the 4x 20mm armament. Most of the corsairs in Korea had this armament IIRC. I think the F4U-7 or whichever corsair had the -7 was armed with cannons.

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icrash
07-20-2004, 07:26 PM
You can't be that old Udidtoo cause I occasionally watched the rifleman. Never chopped up the toy gun though.

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tttiger
07-20-2004, 07:34 PM
The Rifleman?

I can remember listening to "The Lone Ranger" on the radio.

Does that make me an "Older American"? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

AFAIK, no WWII Corsairs had 20mm. The F4U-4, pretty much the main model of Corsair, had 6x.50. BUT, at least some on-line sources say some late WWII Corsairs had 4x20mm. They seem to disagree considerably on this.

The model that DID have 20mm was the F4U-5, which didn't appear until 1946. It was used extensively for close air support by the Marines in Korea. The F4U-5 was the last production model of the Corsair, according to some sources, other say there was an F4U-7.

It is confusing...I can understand why you're scratching your head...so am I http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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nickdanger3
07-20-2004, 07:51 PM
I remember the episode with Peter Frampton

stelr
07-20-2004, 08:01 PM
From what I recall reading about Corsairs in PAC, JG_Rall is correct. Very late war version of F4U-4 had 20mm. Intent was to counter/intercept Kamikasi (sp?) attackers and knock them down before they broke through BAR CAP. Initial problems with jamming, due to cold at altitude. Fixed by venting engine heat over cannons. Used more in Korea.

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heywooood
07-20-2004, 08:07 PM
I am sure that while "Baa Baa Black Sheep" prided itself on its histerical ermm historical accuracy... one or two mistakes might have somehow gotten through. Hollywood isn't perfect just yet when it comes to this as you probably know.

...and whaddya mean "old guys"?!!

And I eventually learned to **** and draw my Red Ryder range rifle BB gun just like Chuck Connors did in one smooth rapid rotation
...without shooting my eye out, BtW... I shot the neighbor kids eye out though... pure accident and he can see out of it fine now but that was a bad day... ~shiver~


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Korolov
07-20-2004, 08:11 PM
The Tigercat had 4 20mms and 4 50s - best of both worlds. Corsair can't beat that! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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WTE_Galway
07-21-2004, 12:44 AM
the fact they were mainly shooting at low armor, but very agile, zeroes may well explain the decision to change from 20mm back to 0.50 cal

woofiedog
07-21-2004, 12:59 AM
Udidtoo... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gifRifle Man, Tall Man, Wanted Dead or Alive,Johnny Yuma and Palidan!
Wow talk about the T.V. Generation. I still have my Hop-Long-Cassity Bank Book from my school days.
My cousin had one of those Steve McQueen, Dead or Alive Windchester's with the over size repeating handle.

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wayno7777
07-21-2004, 01:02 AM
OOOO!!!The Tigercat was a beast! I remember watching Combat, Twelve O'clock High and Ultra Man. Ahhhhhhh the 60's.

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3.JG51_BigBear
07-21-2004, 01:09 AM
I can't remember a Black Sheep squadron episode where they were looking for 20MM ammo. There was one where the squadron was having trouble with its .50 cal stuff so they find some way to make their Sgt a supply Captain http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif. I got such a kick out of that show when they used to play it on the History Channel. Hi-larious

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F16_Fatboy
07-21-2004, 02:17 AM
Have found these so far:

F4U-1C armament 4x20mm Hispano M-2 cannon with 880 rounds in all
F4U-4B armament 4x20mm cannon
F4U-4C armament 4x20mm cannon
F4U-5 armament 4x20mm M3 (T-31) cannon with 924 rounds in all
F4U-5N armament 4x20mm M3 (T-31) cannon with 924 rounds in all
AU-1 armament 4x20mm M3 (T-31) cannon with 924 rounds in all ( Korea )
F4U-7 armament 4x20mm M3 (T-31) cannon with 924 rounds in all ( Built for the French. Vietnam )

Regards

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WTE_Ibis
07-21-2004, 03:56 AM
Have gun,will travel.Great stuff,now we have,sorry,"reality shows" crapploa!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

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panther3485
07-21-2004, 04:20 AM
Hi there, heywooood,

Loved reading your post and all the others here...and the real gem is:

"Hollywood isn't perfect just yet when it comes to this (historical accuracy) as you probably know."

Man......Classic understatement! Made my afternoon!

Best regards to all,
panther3485

eXtra_Corrosiv
07-22-2004, 10:35 AM
I hope that there will be at least one 4 x 20mm variant in PF. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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WWSensei
07-22-2004, 10:45 AM
Here is a link of my visit to the Fighter Factory. In the pics you'll see one pic of my son standing next to a Corsair with the 6 50's clearly visible.

This number 31 is credited with 2 kills.

http://wingwalkers.org/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=2762

ddsflyer
07-22-2004, 10:54 AM
When the F4U-1C was first introduced late in WWII, the cannons all froze up above 18,000 feet and were unuseable. They had to retrofit gun heaters in them in order to work. The cannon armed variants were exceptional ground attack aircraft in both very late WWII and Korea.

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eXtra_Corrosiv
07-22-2004, 10:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ddsflyer:
When the F4U-1C was first introduced late in WWII, the cannons all froze up above 18,000 feet and were unuseable. They had to retrofit gun heaters in them in order to work. The cannon armed variants were exceptional ground attack aircraft in both very late WWII and Korea.

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I've been flying FB for a year and never have I been above 5000. unless that's meters .... than that's weird. . . .

I'm only interested in strafing ships and glassing zeros. I would really like a 4 x 20 plane.

I hate .50s

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