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nearmiss
12-19-2003, 12:25 PM
http://www.il2sturmovik-fr.com/the_game/fb_development.php

Looks like the 1C:Maddox is just gonna keep pumping aircraft to us, with a few objects, and maps.

I remember how everyone was so excited about the possibilities for a new CFS3...and it was just a bummer with no real improvements to date. What a disappointment to everyone it was.

I think 1C:Maddox has given up on building the best sim, just gonna milk for more money with a few new gadgets and no real solid improvements in the sim.

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nearmiss
12-19-2003, 12:25 PM
http://www.il2sturmovik-fr.com/the_game/fb_development.php

Looks like the 1C:Maddox is just gonna keep pumping aircraft to us, with a few objects, and maps.

I remember how everyone was so excited about the possibilities for a new CFS3...and it was just a bummer with no real improvements to date. What a disappointment to everyone it was.

I think 1C:Maddox has given up on building the best sim, just gonna milk for more money with a few new gadgets and no real solid improvements in the sim.

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Bearcat99
12-19-2003, 12:30 PM
These FMs are already PDG IMO.... more planes and maps sounds good to me. This is alreqady the best sim...it's only competition, which BTW is a matter of opinion is IL2 so it looks to me like they have accomplised the building the best sim part.

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georgeo76
12-19-2003, 12:32 PM
Your right, FB has not improved as much as CFS3. However, I don't mind since FB started out superior to how CFS3 ended up. It's harder to improve what's perfected in the first place. CFS3 wasn't even a whole game when it came out, good thing it has a following of 3rd party developers willing to flesh it out http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Gibbage1
12-19-2003, 12:33 PM
Oleg DID build the best flight sim. He is just adding too it. Also, Oleg did not do the aircraft in the add-on. Most of them are dont by people like me. Fans of the game with skill in 3D Studio's. This is Oleg's way of not only adding our aircraft into the game, but to make it finacially feasable. It takes him and his team a LOT of time and money to add aircraft. Adding 20+ aircraft in for free would have cost him TONS of money. This way, he not only gets a little back, but the fans like me who made the aircraft get paid a little too! Its a win-win situation. Sure there are a lot of free aircraft in CFS3, but they are very poor quality. You need to BUY and add-on like Firepower or D-Day, 1944: Invasion of Europe to get quality aircraft. ALL of the aircraft in the FB add-on will be of the best quality possible. Besides, how many free aircraft has microsoft released? NONE!!! Hell, they cant even be bothered to release a patch, let alone free aircraft. Oleg just gave us a free P-51, Ki-84, Zero, and B-17.

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madsarmy
12-19-2003, 01:09 PM
Well said Gibbage.

With all the free updates from the original IL-2
& FB I don't think it will hurt us to pay for an addon. for once.

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Recon_609IAP
12-19-2003, 01:53 PM
You are wrong.

Definitely wrong. ie. they are working hard on sound for example.

Oleg will not release another patch - that would be counterproductive to the addon.

I'm sure any fixes to anything, etc... will be provided in the addon

Besides, this last patch was a good patch and the game run great.

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Recon_609IAP
12-19-2003, 01:54 PM
Nearmiss, in addition they are creating the next generation flight sim that will be the best sim ever released.

Meanwhile the community is making aircraft for us to enjoy.

What more could one ask for?

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adlabs6
12-19-2003, 02:01 PM
Sounds good to me. This latest patch did mostly good, in many areas. I see no reason to continually change the 109's FM in each patch. Hopefully the addon will give us greater variety, something that this sim (which is STILL the original IL2 in many ways) greatly needs.

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RayBunJockey
12-19-2003, 02:14 PM
I'm happy with all the planes I got now, if they aren't going to improve the AI, why would I want more stupid planes flying around?

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12-19-2003, 02:21 PM
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p1ngu666
12-19-2003, 02:50 PM
im happy to pay for extra planes, aslong as gibbage etc get paid http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JZG_Winter
12-19-2003, 03:05 PM
I hope that the FM's don't get changed, and we just get new aircraft http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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PF_Talus
12-19-2003, 03:20 PM
You pay hundreds to build or buy a pc to run this game, what's a few more for an add on?

SmokeJaguar
12-19-2003, 03:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PF_Talus:
You pay hundreds to build or buy a pc to run this game, what's a few more for an add on?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unescapable, to the point logic and I agree with that completly!

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SKULLS_LZ
12-19-2003, 03:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I think 1C:Maddox has given up on building the best sim, just gonna milk for more money with a few new gadgets and no real solid improvements in the sim.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

nice bit of trolling here. looks like you got a few bites too.

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VW-IceFire
12-19-2003, 03:41 PM
Sounds exciting...lots of added fun to the game with the new planes and the maps we just got (hoping some new maps come too!) and whatever other enhancements.

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PriK
12-19-2003, 03:54 PM
It's a matter of perspective. Nearmiss happens to think he deserves more than just planes, maps and models for his $30 or so and that's fine for him. I would suggest for him simply to not buy it and stick to his principles.

I know that I, for one, will be waiting for nearmiss to make a post here about something thats wrong with the addon after its released because he will buy it of course. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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nearmiss
12-19-2003, 04:20 PM
Sorry, about the neg out.

I wasn't trolling. I keep looking at the new graphics stuff and I've been looking at new graphics stuff since IL2 1.0. I don't regret buying the FB, and I guess I'll buy the payed add-on as well. I'd just like to get a bone with some meat on it...LOL

Yes, I agree it is still the best WW2 Prop sim. I'm an Offline player so I don't get the entertainment value some of you online players enjoy. It's just not in my experience with FB.
I burned down on the online play several years back.

The IL2-FB has everything you need to build great missions. I enjoy building missions, but building missions is just so time consuming and tedious with the lousy tools in the FMB.

Fact is, I have a lot of respect for Oleg and the 1C:Maddox efforts. I'd just like to see some solid changes within the sim programming, not just objects and aircraft.

Am I the only one irritated by that stupid border with the stitches around the popup map? I mean why do we need a half inch border around the map?

You'll probably say that's a simple thing. I agree, but why the heck can't they change it?

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Fehler
12-19-2003, 04:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Recon_609IAP:

What more could one ask for?

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Fennec_P
12-19-2003, 04:29 PM
The AI really could use work. Anyone who flys a slow turn to avoid the AI's bullets knows that.

But maybe it is too hard to change it, that they will wait for BoB to make any large changes?

Dexmeister
12-19-2003, 04:29 PM
Nearmiss, I'm partially with you. FB is great and all, but in a very "this is what you get" way. Maybe that's good, maybe it's bad, but the fact of the matter is that in a long time now, nothing big has happened with FB other than a bungled patch release, then a final patch release. What changed within that other than stability? Not too much.

I think part of the problem is that so much was shown so long ago (Typhoons? Spits?, lots of stuff), and not much has materialized.

I'll by a FB add-on either way because I love sims, but it would be really cool to be "wowed" by a sim for a change instead of getting exactly what you expect. FS2004 was the most recent one that wowed me, IL2 the one before that.

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missiveus
12-19-2003, 05:48 PM
The IL2-FB has everything you need to build great missions. I enjoy building missions, but building missions is just so time consuming and tedious with the lousy tools in the FMB.


I hope you've tried UQMG from Uberdemon http://www.uberdemon.com/

Great program for building missions, especially paired with QMT.

Horrodo!

LeadSpitter_
12-19-2003, 06:00 PM
its been pushed back to february also, I hope they includes some new maps as well, all maps look so similair flat green same water with the exception of the alps.

Im hoping we get some dessert maps and different ground textures then il2fb crackle effect looking terrain textures how hard would a flat dessert be 20 min of work including textures, oleg needs to release a map creation tool so users can make custom map meshs to submit to add into the game it would keep this game alive much longer.

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SKULLS_LZ
12-19-2003, 06:17 PM
Leadspitter brings up a concept that has been suggested before, and I'm often scratching my head wondering why the heck won't Oleg go with it: 3rd Party maps! There have got to be at least 100 guys out there who are ready and willing to create maps for FREE to provide to 1:C, if only they had the tool to do it. The only reason for not going with this is that they just don't want to spend and hour or two checking the maps for accuracy. Or maybe its all part of a "planned obsolscence" strategy to force us to buy the next sims :&lt;

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zAmb0ni
12-19-2003, 06:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SKULLS_LZ:
Or maybe its all part of a "planned obsolscence" strategy to force us to buy the next sims :&lt; <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> As long as there are more sims developed and sold, I will be happy. I would rather be forced to "buy the next sim" rather than not have any sim to buy at all.

nearmiss
12-19-2003, 09:35 PM
<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">The IL2-FB has everything you need to build great missions. I enjoy building missions, but building missions is just so time consuming and tedious with the lousy tools in the FMB.


I hope you've tried UQMG from Uberdemon http://www.uberdemon.com/

Great program for building missions, especially paired with QMT.

Horrodo! </pre>

Neither the UberDemons Mission Builder or the QMT is a fix for what is needed in the FMB. We need triggers, events, flags and other logic programming tools. THe kind of tools provided in the MSFT CFS2 and the Jane's WW2 Fighters are what is needed.

In fact, if we just had the mission builder tools from those old sims the missions we could build in IL2-FB would be this side of fabulous. IL2-FB has it all except the ability to utilize well all objects and aircraft already provided.

I've said it before. I'm still building missions using one map, the Kuban for the period April 1942-November 1942. I'm only using aircraft from that period in the Kuban during that period of time. Think about that, I'm using nowhere near what I could use.

After you've built some missions and spent several days just getting one really good mission built...you'll understand the meaning of tedious and time consuming. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'm as patient as an old grandfather clock. I just keep clanging on the hour for a better set of mission builder tools. LOL

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Gibbage1
12-19-2003, 10:46 PM
This is an honest question. When was the last addon for ANY game that did not just add new models and levels?

Half-Life. No add-ons ever changed anything other then models, sounds, and maps. There were a few.

CFS3. Only aircraft. No maps.

Medal of Honor. 29.95 for new maps and models. No graphic improvement, and no new AI.

I can go on and on and on and on. I dont remember of an add-on that did what you want! If NOBODY in the industry does it, why should Oleg? Its industry standard. Its OUT of industry standard to put in new content into patches like 3 flyable aircraft, new maps, and AI aircraft.

So Oleg is well ABOVE industry standards, let alone FLIGHT SIM standards. When was the last time a publisher put so much new free stuff into patches? Check Microsoft's web page. They have a LOT of flight sims. FS series (95,98,2000,2004) and CFS 1,2, and 3 and I dont think ONE of them gave you anything for free in a patch, but had TONS AND TONS of add-ons. Why cant IL2 give free content AND sell an add-on? I just cant understand what your hung up on. I guess members are just spoiled from all the free content from IL2.

Gib

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nearmiss:
Sorry, about the neg out.

I wasn't trolling. I keep looking at the new graphics stuff and I've been looking at new graphics stuff since IL2 1.0. I don't regret buying the FB, and I guess I'll buy the payed add-on as well. I'd just like to get a bone with some meat on it...LOL

Yes, I agree it is still the best WW2 Prop sim. I'm an Offline player so I don't get the entertainment value some of you online players enjoy. It's just not in my experience with FB.
I burned down on the online play several years back.

The IL2-FB has everything you need to build great missions. I enjoy building missions, but building missions is just so time consuming and tedious with the lousy tools in the FMB.

Fact is, I have a lot of respect for Oleg and the 1C:Maddox efforts. I'd just like to see some solid changes within the sim programming, not just objects and aircraft.

Am I the only one irritated by that stupid border with the stitches around the popup map? I mean why do we need a half inch border around the map?

You'll probably say that's a simple thing. I agree, but why the heck can't they change it?

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nearmiss
12-19-2003, 11:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
This is an honest question. When was the last addon for ANY game that did not just add new models and levels?

Half-Life. No add-ons ever changed anything other then models, sounds, and maps. There were a few.

CFS3. Only aircraft. No maps.

Medal of Honor. 29.95 for new maps and models. No graphic improvement, and no new AI.

I can go on and on and on and on. I dont remember of an add-on that did what you want! If NOBODY in the industry does it, why should Oleg? Its industry standard. Its OUT of industry standard to put in new content into patches like 3 flyable aircraft, new maps, and AI aircraft.

So Oleg is well ABOVE industry standards, let alone FLIGHT SIM standards. When was the last time a publisher put so much new free stuff into patches? Check Microsoft's web page. They have a LOT of flight sims. FS series (95,98,2000,2004) and CFS 1,2, and 3 and I dont think ONE of them gave you anything for free in a patch, but had TONS AND TONS of add-ons. Why cant IL2 give free content AND sell an add-on? I just cant understand what your hung up on. I guess members are just spoiled from all the free content from IL2.

Gib<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're preaching to the choir Gib http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif or I'm on your side.

AND YET
Mission Builders are seriously handicapped with the FMB. I'm sure, if you had to deal with lousy tools to build your aircraft models you'd be pushing for some new tools just like me.

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Cossack13
12-19-2003, 11:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nearmiss:
Looks like the 1C:Maddox is just gonna keep pumping aircraft to us, with a few objects, and maps.

I think 1C:Maddox has given up on building the best sim, just gonna milk for more money with a few new gadgets and no real solid improvements in the sim.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

1C:Maddox has already built the best sim. Now they are expanding the plane set to include the aircraft and theaters that we want.

And this is a problem exactly how again? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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CARBONFREEZE
12-19-2003, 11:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fehler:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Recon_609IAP:

What more could one ask for?

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A.K.Davis
12-20-2003, 01:13 AM
Did someone mention a complex DM for the 190? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Rogodin
12-20-2003, 01:17 AM
I'm a bit intrigued by what you think needs to be "reprogrammed".

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nearmiss
12-20-2003, 10:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rogodin:
I'm a bit intrigued by what you think needs to be "reprogrammed".

rogo<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not about to go there. You should start a new thread with that one. LOL

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FG-56th_Lamb
12-20-2003, 11:05 AM
Does anyone know how the add-on will be packaged?? It would be nice to be able to d/l it and pay for it right online. Then we could jsut burn it to a disk and keep an invoice number in case of loss.

nearmiss
12-20-2003, 11:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FG-56th_Lamb:
Does anyone know how the add-on will be packaged?? It would be nice to be able to d/l it and pay for it right online. Then we could jsut burn it to a disk and keep an invoice number in case of loss.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It will probably be distributed just like FB. UbiSoft is the distributor and they make their money selling boxes. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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12-20-2003, 11:21 AM
nearmiss you are F I R E D !

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LexxLuthor
12-20-2003, 11:30 AM
nearmiss knows what he talks about, and he had a moment of...weakness.

Anyway Oleg is not Microsoft, yet. That would be awsum though, FB operating system. Never crashes (for me).

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