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IV_JG51_Razor
04-01-2004, 10:04 PM
Luthier,

Will the Barriers be modeled? If so, will they retract after a sucessful arrestment so that you can taxi forward of them? In a coop, this would be sooo cool! If the barriers were tied to the plane stopping, drop down while you taxi forward of them, them pop back up, I'd swear you walked on water!

While I'm at it, I'd like to ask if the landing gear modeling will be changed from FB. It seems like the landing gear of most planes in FB are way too bouncy! If the planes in PF are modeled the same way, the barriers won't do any good. The spring will have to be toned down quite a lot IMHO.

Razor
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IV_JG51_Razor
04-01-2004, 10:04 PM
Luthier,

Will the Barriers be modeled? If so, will they retract after a sucessful arrestment so that you can taxi forward of them? In a coop, this would be sooo cool! If the barriers were tied to the plane stopping, drop down while you taxi forward of them, them pop back up, I'd swear you walked on water!

While I'm at it, I'd like to ask if the landing gear modeling will be changed from FB. It seems like the landing gear of most planes in FB are way too bouncy! If the planes in PF are modeled the same way, the barriers won't do any good. The spring will have to be toned down quite a lot IMHO.

Razor
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luthier1
04-01-2004, 10:05 PM
We're still working on the carriers at the moment, so I'd better not comment on any particular features in case we run into any unforseen problems and have to drop them.

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heywooood
04-01-2004, 10:23 PM
Nice.. Drool slobber thanks Luthier

IV_JG51_Razor
04-01-2004, 10:26 PM
Thanks for the reply Luthier.

Razor
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VW-IceFire
04-02-2004, 01:57 PM
Ahhh yes the Barriers....just in case you have to go to "Plan B" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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JG7_Rall
04-02-2004, 02:00 PM
What are barriers? Are they so you don't go plowing into other parked planes if you miss the cables? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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IV_JG51_Razor
04-02-2004, 04:41 PM
On an Essex class carrier, there are three stantions (posts) about 6-8 feet tall with a cable strung between them across the flight deck. They are hinged so that they can fold down to allow a/c to taxi over them. They are located just about abeam the after 5" mount. Normally, they are in the retracted position until the ship begins recovering aircraft. Then they will be extended. As soon as a plane has successfully trapped, a crewman in the catwalk will lower them to allow that plane to taxi forward, and extend them as soon as the plane has passed over them, ready for the naxt plane in the groove. The idea is for the barrier to trip a plane that has missed the arresting cables, and hopefully keep it out of the "pack" up forward.

It would be very interesting to see if/how this will be modeled in PF. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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JG7_Rall
04-02-2004, 04:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IV_JG51_Razor:
On an Essex class carrier, there are three stantions (posts) about 6-8 feet tall with a cable strung between them. They are hinged so that they can fold down to allow a/c to taxi over them. Normally, they are in the retracted position until the ship begins recovering aircraft. Then they will be extended. As soon as a plane has successfully trapped, a crewman in the catwalk will lower them to allow that plane to taxi forward, and extend them as soon as the plane has passed over them, ready for the naxt plane in the groove. The idea is for the barrier to trip a plane that has missed the arresting cables, and hopefully keep it out of the "pack" up forward.

It would be very interesting to see if/how this will be modeled in PF. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Razor
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Trip it? Like, knock the gear out or something? Sounds fun. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

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heywooood
04-02-2004, 07:17 PM
Not used to "trip" the bird.. but to capture it.

The barrier or "fence" is like a tennis net, albeit a loose one,it is taller than the plane and it gives..a little..

Oh hell your talking Trap wire - I thought this last was about the barrier.

Tully__
04-02-2004, 09:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IV_JG51_Razor:
While I'm at it, I'd like to ask if the landing gear modeling will be changed from FB. It seems like the landing gear of most planes in FB are way too bouncy! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In my experience, bouncy landings are the result of too much airspeed on the approach (made worse by hamfisted flaring technique).

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heywooood
04-03-2004, 12:28 AM
hahaha Tully..

The gear is fine - just keep practicing..
eventually you should be able to "grease" the landing... it can be done.

IV_JG51_Razor
04-03-2004, 12:38 AM
Heywood, the barriers on the carriers back in WWII had just one wire each, across the deck. Nets didn't start to show up until around the Korean war, and they were only erected when an a/c with a known problem was coming aboard. The standard three wire barrier remained in use until the Navy went to the angled deck.

Tully, thanks for that vote of confidence in my flying ability bud! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif It has been my experience, landing at around 130-140Kph, and just a bit too much sink rate, most of the fighters in FB will bounce like a beach ball. You will not be able to make a nice, shallow approach to the carrier, flaring for that squeeky three pointer, primarilly because you wouldn't be able to see it for the last couple hundred yards. You'll have to land from a descending turn, rolling out wings level just as you clear the fantail. Try it in FB a couple of times, and to make it a bit more useful demonstration, try to touch down about a plane length from the end of the runway. Then talk to me about the langing gear modeling! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Razor
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