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UF-Josse
06-19-2004, 02:34 AM
Dear Oleg, i like very much this plane. I don't want discuss on FM, DM or other, but just on graphic treatment.

I am sorry, but.... default skin and void file are really.... crappy.. this plane don't desserve this...

Please, see alignement of panel lines, 3d on sides is really bad.

Is it possible just to have a decent skin and void ?

I have made a full lightly corrected template, i can make skins, but if you want , this template is yours.

http://www.lesskinsajosse.france-simulation.com/skins/images/iar80_42.jpg


Please.....

And , another question :

I never saw opening something for radiator opening..

Is it normal ?

Thanks...

Best regards,

Josse

UF-Josse
06-19-2004, 02:34 AM
Dear Oleg, i like very much this plane. I don't want discuss on FM, DM or other, but just on graphic treatment.

I am sorry, but.... default skin and void file are really.... crappy.. this plane don't desserve this...

Please, see alignement of panel lines, 3d on sides is really bad.

Is it possible just to have a decent skin and void ?

I have made a full lightly corrected template, i can make skins, but if you want , this template is yours.

http://www.lesskinsajosse.france-simulation.com/skins/images/iar80_42.jpg


Please.....

And , another question :

I never saw opening something for radiator opening..

Is it normal ?

Thanks...

Best regards,

Josse

Ju87
06-19-2004, 04:25 AM
The IAR.80 is the worst 3D-model of a flyable plane, i think... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

rbstr44
06-19-2004, 06:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ju87:
The IAR.80 is the worst 3D-model of a flyable plane, i think... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Let's just take it out of the sim since it's not perfect. The model should be deleted with the next patch. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


You whiny people...be careful what you whine for.

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UF-Josse
06-19-2004, 07:52 AM
really constructive, thanks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

noshens
06-19-2004, 08:27 AM
Hey you can download good skins at il2skins.com .

UF-Josse
06-19-2004, 09:01 AM
Yes, i know http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It is not the problem, i make my own skins and i have uploaded a corrected layered template.

It is not for me, but for offliners , coop missions, or other that use default skins or when mission is to laggy to authorize customs skins etc.....

PBNA-Boosher
06-19-2004, 09:40 AM
So what!!! Do you think a WW2 pilot would complain if his plane was painted one flat color as long as he was able to stay alive? No, he wouldn't care as long as he was able to keep himself and his squadmates living. If you have a problem with the default skin, download others. This is the stupidest of the stupid whines (just about all of em) I've ever heard.

p1ngu666
06-19-2004, 09:54 AM
/me slaps boosher

a better FM would be nice
i think josse's template is really nice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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UF-Josse
06-19-2004, 10:07 AM
Hummm.. pls Boosher, if you don't agree, it is your prob, but....

Did you accept so easily this so crappy work for your preferred plane or uber that you use in dogfight ?

And thanks Pingu http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.lesskinsajosse.france-simulation.com/skins/images/iardefaut.jpg

A not much used plane, but, it desserve better.

LStarosta
06-19-2004, 12:48 PM
Sort of like the red machine gun markers on the Spitfire MkVb weren't aligned... IAR 80 and 81 are some of my favorite aircraft, and I too, would like to see some more attention paid to details with this airplane. Mentality of most people is that since it wasn't used by a major country (i.e. one you hear about nonstop on the History Channel, or on the Discovery Channel etc.) in WWII it doesn't deserve attention like a P51 or a Bf109 or a La7 does. Oh well, I just use custom skins when I fly the IAR's.

VW-IceFire
06-19-2004, 01:02 PM
Community templates have been accepted before. Maybe this can be done too. IAR is a neat little plane and if it can be improved a bit through a "simple" cosmetic upgrade from the community then that is great.

Where do I get your generic skin from in the meantime?

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UF-Josse
06-19-2004, 01:55 PM
Hello Icefire http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

at this time, just release one full template and one skin, waiting a book about this plane.

you can find my work for IAR here :

http://www.il2skins.com/?planeidfilter=all&planefamilyfilter=IAR&screenshotfilter=allskins&countryidfilter=all&authoridfilter=UF_Josse&historicalidfilter=all&searchkey=&action=list&ts=1087674510

regards

Magister__Ludi
06-19-2004, 03:58 PM
I agree with you UF-Josse. IAR-80 was a beautiful aircraft, it does not deserve that ugly default skin (probably the worst default skin in this sim).

Take a look at the pics below, even if the colours of this replica are not exact, they cannot hide the beauty of this plane:

http://www.paulnann.com/images/pn_w3664.jpg

http://www.paulnann.com/images/pn_w3663.jpg

VMF513_Sandman
06-19-2004, 04:27 PM
compared to what we get in the game, the real iar80 looks like a very nice ship. it would take tons of work, but if oleg would have bothered to use actual manufacturing spec's on these birds, i think that would solve 99% of the 'this plane is uber' thang.

like, a6m2: phenomenal roll/turn rate at slow speed (was designed that way). zero's shouldnt have the speeds they have now. even a hurricane should be able to easily outrun them, but the m2 should outturn anything that's suicidal to get into a t/b fight with it. the plane itself was under 4000 pounds so it's basically like a flying kite.
its just that oleg doesnt want to use actual specs for these planes...excepting maybe, the russian crates. he's adding obscure aircraft like the iar80 that i didnt even know existed, yet sayin the plane flys 'like this' with no manufacturing spec's to compare it to; rate of climb, max level/dive speed, rate of turn, etc. this also includes weapons; from hmg to cannon to ordanace load-outs. like, the p-51's carrying hvar's.

i've seen clips of 109's rl cannon fire...and the shells have a tremendous amount of smoke trails that isnt in the game, but i havent yet seen the 108's in action on gun cam film either, so the issue of muzzle flash on the german's i cant make that call on. but seeing how a 30mm shell weighs almost 5 pounds per, anything it hits is in serious trouble. compared to the p-63, p-39, and lagg3-it's cannon, the 108 has double the rate of fire. 30mm shells firing at practically the speed of 50 caliber mg's. if there's a whine to be made, how can the german 30mm's have more rof than the p-63/39's and it's the same caliber? noticed that these planes also have quite a bit of muzzle flash, but i havent seen any1 say anything on that. seems the p-39 isnt flown as much as it used to be. and the 110.....dam....its like sittin on a bunch of flashpots in cockpit.

AnaK774
06-19-2004, 04:56 PM
Hmm... thought that M4 colt banging iron was 37mm

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p1ngu666
06-19-2004, 05:12 PM
the cowl on that looks much smaller than ingame http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

from the fm point of view, i think it should be more like a hurricane than underpowered fw190 it is nowhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
OT but cr42 and g50 are pretty crappy FM's and radiator doesnt move also.
hope for patch

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VOL_Hans
06-19-2004, 05:35 PM
Yhea, smaller cowl, and the canopy looks different.


And GW is right, CR-42 and G-50 need some tweaks to make them better.

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Grach
06-19-2004, 11:05 PM
The six-gun version (6x 7.92mm FN-Browning) -80A would be nice too. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
(So would an He-112B for that matter!) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Cheers!

Magister__Ludi
06-19-2004, 11:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VOL_Hans:
Yhea, smaller cowl, and the canopy looks different.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

When you say the canopy is different are you looking at the angle of the windscreen?
I'm asking because I have very good pictures of the original IAR-80 (the pictures above are made on a replica) and they show that the AEP model is more accurate than the replica in this respect. Unfortunatelly I do not have a scanner to put here the pictures of the real thing. Though maybe I'll put them later this week.

gombal40
06-20-2004, 01:50 AM
the real deal, its a very nice looking plane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

http://www.afwing.com/images/iar80/iar80.jpg

gombal40
06-20-2004, 01:52 AM
http://www.timisoara2000.ro/fotos/iar80_3mm.jpg

Moos_tachu
06-20-2004, 09:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
So what!!! Do you think a WW2 pilot would complain if his plane was painted one flat color as long as he was able to stay alive? No, he wouldn't care as long as he was able to keep himself and his squadmates living. If you have a problem with the default skin, download others. This is the stupidest of the stupid whines (just about all of em) I've ever heard.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And this is the stupidest of the stupid replies I've ever read.

Josse --&gt; Good luck with your whinning, you have all my support http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

S!

Moos

VMF513_Sandman
06-20-2004, 12:04 PM
i dont think u would want to have extremely bright colors on ur ship if there was gonna be some1 hunting u with murder as priority 1. i'd rather have a bird that would be very hard to spot myself.

evc214_turban
06-21-2004, 11:11 AM
Hi all !

Juste a little bump here?

Oleg, what do you think of this request?

Cheap, easily done, and so coooool ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Luftcaca
06-21-2004, 11:44 AM
wow nice pics!

btw guys since it is a topic about IAR related whining, let me just add this for the record (yes, yet again http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif)

the IAR80/81 can leak oil FOREVER without suffering any engine failure, pls fix that dev team http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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EFG_beber
06-21-2004, 04:02 PM
Nice Skins http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Oleg, please put it in default skins. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif