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Zayets
10-23-2003, 03:03 PM
browsing sites (serious ones) and some advert stated that.Rushed to the site and yes , is true. Copied and pasted what's written there :

Enhanced image quality for both anisotropic filtering and anti-aliasing
New nView 3.0 Multi-Display Setup Wizard-to easily configure your multi-display settings
nView Grid lines- to section off the display to help organize your various Windows
Customized user profiles-to save display settings and image quality settings on a per application/game basis
A new user friendly interface
Microsoft‚ģ DirectX‚ģ and OpenGL‚ģ support
Support for GeForce 5700, GeForce FX 5700 Ultra, and GeForce FX 5950
For a complete list of compatibility fixes please consult the v52.16 Release Notes


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Zayets
10-23-2003, 03:03 PM
browsing sites (serious ones) and some advert stated that.Rushed to the site and yes , is true. Copied and pasted what's written there :

Enhanced image quality for both anisotropic filtering and anti-aliasing
New nView 3.0 Multi-Display Setup Wizard-to easily configure your multi-display settings
nView Grid lines- to section off the display to help organize your various Windows
Customized user profiles-to save display settings and image quality settings on a per application/game basis
A new user friendly interface
Microsoft‚ģ DirectX‚ģ and OpenGL‚ģ support
Support for GeForce 5700, GeForce FX 5700 Ultra, and GeForce FX 5950
For a complete list of compatibility fixes please consult the v52.16 Release Notes


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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 03:38 PM
Warning if you use Geforce4 Ti4x00 family, dont bother to try them.. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I have huge problems with these drivers with FB.. crash to desktop when i try to play.. 45.45 work well

Perhaps they were designed for GeForce 5700, GeForce FX 5700 Ultra, and GeForce FX 5950 ..

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 04:29 PM
Vipez- wrote:
- Warning if you use Geforce4 Ti4x00 family, dont
- bother to try them.. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I have huge problems with these
- drivers with FB.. crash to desktop when i try to
- play.. 45.45 work well
-
- Perhaps they were designed for GeForce 5700, GeForce
- FX 5700 Ultra, and GeForce FX 5950 ..

Weird Vipez, works great for me. I didnt notice much performance wise, or graphics wise though.

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 04:39 PM
I wont have my computer moved to the new home till this weekend, so I will not be testing untill then.

I did download the lengthy release notes: there seems to be some improvements to performance/visual quality when antialiasing is used, so that will be a welcome enhancement.

I play on a very small, very old monitor that can't be used above 800x600... antialiasing is important to me.

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Zayets
10-23-2003, 04:53 PM
I do have a Ti4600 but I will give it a try. I am sad with nVidia because of AA AF features. They come but my god , at what price! Increae AF and you'll see a huge fps drop , at least on my rig (which is a pretty good one 2.4Ghz/1Gigram)

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 05:05 PM
I never go over 2x on AF since its pretty much a waste of time in flight sims.

Antialiasing is a no-brainer: Quincunx is the way to go if you are stuck at low resolution... otherwise, just crank the res. up since its the exact same thing as supersampling.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 05:24 PM
they work ok for me/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
gf4 ti 4200
no problems
2x AF
quincunx AA
no raise in frames, but the overal image seems a bit more sharp, so they stay on my rig

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 05:28 PM
Thanks for the warning, I have a TI4600!! I can still try them with no consequence or risk since I have Norton Ghost and many hard drives. I'll simply clone my hard drive exactly as is before I install the drivers, if they don't work well, I'll clone the clone back over to my main hard drive and erase the damage. Having image cloning software like Ghost gives you soooo much power to abuse your system with no risk at all.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 05:33 PM
So what hacks are in this dirver set? Anyone found them yet?

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Cpt.LoneRanger
10-23-2003, 05:49 PM
Yes, the drivers are for FX-series.

With my 4800SE, I got lot's of graphic issues in BF1942, though overall image quality seemed to be better. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I reversed to latest Omega-drivers.



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Buzz_25th
10-23-2003, 05:58 PM
I'm glad I got to try the 52.16 drivers on my 5900 before I swap it out for a 9800XT today. The drivers suck. I lost performance in all tests. Image quality is even worse.

I will finally admit it. Nvidia is not the way to go now.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 06:03 PM
The message is clear... ATI has all the Aces?

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 06:25 PM
I have Nvidia card Leadtek Ti 4600 but i dont have system to take a test drive for the driver /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Buzz_25th
10-23-2003, 06:38 PM
UPS just showed up with XT. I'll be back with results.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 06:40 PM
At $482, I hope it works well for you. If not, i'm going to have to make fun of you, but i'm sure you already knew that.

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adlabs6
10-23-2003, 06:43 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- UPS just showed up with XT. I'll be back with
- results.

I'm eager to hear about this thing.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 06:52 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- UPS just showed up with XT. I'll be back with
- results.
-

Well it can't be much different from what we already found out in
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/fx5900-r9800_10.html
Apart from the drivers I think nothing has changed.

Master

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 06:57 PM
There's one thing I noticed about these new drivers, the task switching while playing IL-2FB is better now, at least for me. I used to have to wait for a couple of minutes for IL-2 to be minimized and get the desktop up, but now it works immediately when I press alt-tab.
Also the graphics seem sharper, has to do with that difficult word ani- sumthing filtering /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ...

adlabs6
10-23-2003, 07:03 PM
For me, the 44.03's always seemed best. I installed the 45.23 when I installed XP, but I these drivers make my monitor blank and reset when I click on the nVidia tray icon, which is slower and bugs me.

I'm downloading and going back to the 44.03's now, I'll pass on the 52.16's.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 07:29 PM
Wow. I have never seen Nvidia release bad drivers. Bad Beta drivers yes, but thats a given. But so far my impression is these new drivers are horrible! What happened?

Gib

Vipez- wrote:
- Warning if you use Geforce4 Ti4x00 family, dont
- bother to try them.. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I have huge problems with these
- drivers with FB.. crash to desktop when i try to
- play.. 45.45 work well
-
- Perhaps they were designed for GeForce 5700, GeForce
- FX 5700 Ultra, and GeForce FX 5950 ..
-
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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 07:56 PM
I must be the only one pleased with the new drivers, on my 5600 Ultra, image is sharper and brighter, frames even smoother.
We've got the drivers now bring on the add on!

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 08:02 PM
Have you done any DX9 test's? These are supposed to help the DX9 shaders a lot. Im cerious to how much they help and if the drivers bring the FX into the same range as the ATi in DX9

Gib

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- I must be the only one pleased with the new drivers,
- on my 5600 Ultra, image is sharper and brighter,
- frames even smoother.
- We've got the drivers now bring on the add on!
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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 08:18 PM
3D Mark2003 scores about 90 points less than the 45.23 drivers BUT actual gameplay in FB is definitely smoother, I replayed several tracks with a lot of planes and action and it didn't hint at jerkovision.
One difference fron the 45 drivers, I used to overide the refresh rates for all resolutions but with the new drivers this ruined the image quality, left the setting on 'application controls refresh rate' and image quality is superb.

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Buzz_25th
10-23-2003, 08:33 PM
First let me say to the one who plans on laughing. This was a free exchange for the 5900. Sorry, no laughing for you.


A few quick tests. 3D Mark 2001...19000..no overclocking

FB 1600 res 6xsaa...smooth as silk..you won't believe the fps so I won't tell you. Cya nvidia.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 08:35 PM
Hi Buzz,

Can we please have the results of your new‚ 9800XT‚ tests using IL2FB?‚ ‚ /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 09:18 PM
Must admit to only ever having one ATI card, (9000 pro) and I had nothing but probs with it. I have a GF4 ti4600 at the moment and have installed 52.16 drivers and have so far (touch wood) no probs. Am undecided wether to uprade to a 5900 ultra or a 9800pro, so will carry on reading comments and decide. BTW, which would work best with xp2100+, 512DDR ram, xp pro etc...........

AHS_Kristorf

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 09:21 PM
Oh yeah.. I knew he was going to say that.

What did that machine cost you?
How many times have you exchanged video cards?

C'mon Buzz ;-)

Don't forget: that card has already been placed against the 5900U and the results showed that the 5900U beat it except when tons of AA/AF are enabled... which is totally dumb since higher resolutions negate the need of AA, and high-levels of AF are a complete waste in flight sims.

I bet you're loving Quake III though.

The message is clear, ATI has failed.


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Cpt.LoneRanger
10-23-2003, 09:48 PM
I'm still waiting for the XT to hit the market with acceptable numbers. Then non XT will drop and I'll catch an 9800pro.


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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 09:48 PM
Lets not turn this into an ATi/Nvidia debate. LEts just try to figure out why the drivers are acting up. Hard OCP did a few test's on the 5950 with the new drivers. Interesting numbers.

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTM3

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Buzz_25th
10-23-2003, 09:54 PM
My last comment Gig.


Baldie,

You don't have a clue.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 09:54 PM
- Don't forget: that card has already been placed
- against the 5900U and the results showed that the
- 5900U beat it except when tons of AA/AF are
- enabled... which is totally dumb since higher
- resolutions negate the need of AA, and high-levels
- of AF are a complete waste in flight sims.

you've got to be kidding
who the hell buys a 5900ultra/9800pro, and dosnt use aa/ansio???

Thats exactly why you buy such powerfull high priced cards, so you can ramp up the quality(aa and ansio) and still have good frame rates!

Considering flightsims need AA probably more then any other type of game software, and that you see so much landscape Ansio-filtering becomes incredibly important. These type of cards are exactly what you need.

there is a reason people play with 1024x768, with 4xaa, rather then 1600x1200 no aa, because it just looks better.

Just ramping up resolution dose not get rid of jaggies as effectivly as AA does. Why the hell do you think aa was invented?? and is such a huge part of video cards today?

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 10:59 PM
I have installed it after using "Nasty File Remover" to root out the old missed files by windows. I havn't tried windows yet but i have noticed a better sharpness to what I see. I used the non international one from Nvidia's company site.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 11:05 PM
Davinci.. wrote:
-- Don't forget: that card has already been placed
-- against the 5900U and the results showed that the
-- 5900U beat it except when tons of AA/AF are
-- enabled... which is totally dumb since higher
-- resolutions negate the need of AA, and high-levels
-- of AF are a complete waste in flight sims.
-
- you've got to be kidding
- who the hell buys a 5900ultra/9800pro, and dosnt use
- aa/ansio???

I do!

-
- Thats exactly why you buy such powerfull high priced
- cards, so you can ramp up the quality(aa and ansio)
- and still have good frame rates!
-
- Considering flightsims need AA probably more then
- any other type of game software, and that you see so
- much landscape Ansio-filtering becomes incredibly
- important. These type of cards are exactly what you
- need.
-
- there is a reason people play with 1024x768, with
- 4xaa, rather then 1600x1200 no aa, because it just
- looks better.

No it dosent!
-
- Just ramping up resolution dose not get rid of
- jaggies as effectivly as AA does. Why the hell do
- you think aa was invented?? and is such a huge part
- of video cards today

Yes it does!
Probably because most gamers have bad monitors that cant take higher resolutions.

Master

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 11:10 PM
Just got home and tried them out on CFS3, FS2004 and IL2-FB.

AA on 2xQ
AF on 4X

On a FX 5900 Ultra 256

All res 1280x1024x32

Initial reaction is good. They fixed the rendering problem in FS2004 and everything looks really good in all three games.

I use Open GL for IL2 FB btw.

If I run into issues, I'll post.

TinMan

adlabs6
10-23-2003, 11:39 PM
After my trusty 44.03's showed some glitches in FS2004, I got the 52.16's and they seem ok. I can now use Quincunz AA in FS2004, couldn't on the 44.03's or the 45.23's.

FB looks great as always, frames are smooth too. May as well stick with these for now.

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10-24-2003, 12:28 AM
AF at high resolutions is highly useful when one is trying to spot aircraft a few K out.

Anisotropic Filtering increases image sharpness for undersampled images, so when one is trying to tell if that cluster of four or five pixels is an enemy aircraft, or a twitter in the backround, it becomes quite noticable. When combined with FSAA and 1600x1200 resolutions, you can litterally see for miles in game.

You can see this for yourself by running the game first at 1600x1200 with no AF and no FSAA, no icons, and trying to pick out enemy aircraft in a quick mission. Then, quite the game, set the maximum AF and 2x or 4x FSAA, depending on how much your computer can handle with at least 30 fps, and see how far away you can spot aircraft now. You should notice a significant difference in your view range.

Even with icons on, I can now routinely spot enemy aircraft long before the icons become active.

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10-24-2003, 12:39 AM
Harry, Sadly I wish I could, don't forget us lower power owners when giving advice. We can't that kind of hit or rez.

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10-24-2003, 12:43 AM
HarryVoyager wrote:
- You can see this for yourself by running the game
- first at 1600x1200 with no AF and no FSAA, no icons,
- and trying to pick out enemy aircraft in a quick
- mission. Then, quite the game, set the maximum AF
- and 2x or 4x FSAA, depending on how much your
- computer can handle with at least 30 fps, and see
- how far away you can spot aircraft now. You should
- notice a significant difference in your view range.

Yes, I've seen this also. My monitor maxes at 1280x1024, and using the FSAA and AF at that resolution usually takes a huge bite out of my frames (more than a 70% hit IIRC). I'll test with the new drivers and see how it is now.

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 12:49 AM
Well, I have a GF4 TI4200 128 meg and flown threw intensive missions in FB, previously on same missions I would get some stutter but so far I`ve had none. This is also with the fact that the card is no longer overclocked because the new driver wiped it out. All I have is settings to Performance and VS to always off.

Oh and I first uninstalled the previous drivers and use Nasty File remover a few times before installing the latest driver.

I still have to test more but I`m very happy so far.

settings 1024 x 768 excellent settings, cloud medium. Not checked actual FPS.


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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 03:22 AM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- UPS just showed up with XT.

Sucker! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 03:37 AM
Cpt.LoneRanger wrote:
- I'm still waiting for the XT to hit the market with
- acceptable numbers. Then non XT will drop and I'll
- catch an 9800pro.


I am sorry but i dont see it will happen those product only complimentary product and they wont produce for 128MB version unless they make 128MB version /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 03:43 AM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- I'm glad I got to try the 52.16 drivers on my 5900
- before I swap it out for a 9800XT today. The drivers
- suck. I lost performance in all tests. Image quality
- is even worse.

(Italics, mine.)

On a serious note, it is ATI drivers that use to do that. That has not happened to nVidia on their worst day.

BTW, I like the ATI cards. However, if I fire up something like QuakeIII, the nVidia product, IMO, gives a more satisfying display.

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 03:48 AM
you will love Nvidia if you like cartoon color /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 03:54 AM
Davak, you have a smiley there, but, it is silly statements like that which cause the flames to start. Please, refrain.
(EDIT: 'I' don't think you meant that in a bad way, but 'someone'could easily take it that way.)

I have used different cards. My 'opinion' stands. BTW, I am talking 9600 Pro. I do not have a 9800. I currently own a Ti4200/128, Ti4600, and a 9600 Pro.

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 04:02 AM
For those wondering if they should use the new drivers, everything I have read has been VERy favorable towards the new Nvidia drviers. In fact, the latest reviews point out several problems, "irregularities", and optimizations in the ATi drivers. I would think, however, that these newest drivers are for the FX line for the most part. For gF4 cards, you might want to stick with older drivers that you know work well, but you may have some success with the new ones.

"With the new ForceWare driver, NVIDIA has done much to improve performance especially in the newer DirectX 9 games - and without having to sacrifice image quality. And speaking of image quality: Where anisotropic filtering is concerned, NVIDIA even has the upper hand. It does, however, have to take second place to ATi's FSAA implementation.

The irregularities ATi's drivers allegedly display in AquaMark 3 and UT2003 require further investigation."

Toms Hardware guide.


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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 04:11 AM
you actually read Toms hardware?

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 04:19 AM
Dayak wrote:
- you actually read Toms hardware?


Wow, thanks for that.

How about AnandTech, Xbit labs???

You might actually give a reason for your worthless post, but it wont be worth the time to read it. Bye.

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Buzz_25th
10-24-2003, 04:21 AM
RealKill,

Nice trolling for a rookie.

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adlabs6
10-24-2003, 04:40 AM
adlabs6 wrote:
-
- HarryVoyager wrote: ...
-
-
- Yes, I've seen this also. My monitor maxes at
- 1280x1024, and using the FSAA and AF at that
- resolution usually takes a huge bite out of my
- frames (more than a 70% hit IIRC). I'll test with
- the new drivers and see how it is now.

Back to this subject, I tested the 52.16's at 1280x960x32 in FB and got these numbers on my Ti4200...

2xFSAA/2xAF averaged 19fps in QMB, 15 common in dogfights.
No FSAA/ No AF averaged 30fps in QMB, 20 common in dogfights

Simply reducing the resolution to 1024x768x32 with No FSAA/ No AF averaged 60fps in QMB, 45 common in dogfights.

So to run at 1600x1200 with FSAA and AF you'd need to have either a 3Ghz CPU or an ATI which handles FSAA and AF faster than nVidia does, or both. Using 1280x960 with 2xFSAA is so choppy for me that I have to use the icons to track the planes.

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 04:51 AM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- RealKill,
-
- Nice trolling for a rookie.

Wow, not even a smiley face of some kind?

Buzz, just because I do not display my immense talent as a Troll (haha), does not categorize me as a Rookie.

You, however, with all your continued Trolling (and flaming), are just that... a Rookie.

C'mon, Buzz, you are constantly give pokes. Take a little one back. Ya ____! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif [Insert winky-smiley face here. < ]

-

About performance, and hardware reviews, too many people seem to let the fact slip away that these 'reviews' are being done on very high-end machines. Many buy these high-end cards and are disappointed.

Buy what your system can push. (Yes, I know about the GPU, bla blah bla, etc.)

EDIT:
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Buzz_25th wrote:
- RealKill,
-
- Nice trolling for a rookie. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
There. I fixed it for you, Buzz. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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Message Edited on 10/23/0311:09PM by RealKill

Buzz_25th
10-24-2003, 05:03 AM
I did take it. Can't you take a counter attack?

Told you you were a rookie.

How's this./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Feel better?

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 05:16 AM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- I did take it. Can't you take a counter attack?
-
- Told you you were a rookie.
-
- How's this. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Feel better?

Yes. I feel better. It is good to know I am the Rookie, after all, and you are the Professional Troll.

So, enjoy your new card, and your learned title. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
Heh heh haaaaa.

EDIT: Arrrgh. Quirky message boards.

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Buzz_25th
10-24-2003, 05:48 AM
Next!

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 06:04 AM
buzz, you are a f\/cker OWNED,

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 06:04 AM
Jeez buzz get's it both ways (front and back honey).

Realkill isn't a rookie though. But the initial comment was a kerosene doused toulet.

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10-24-2003, 06:51 AM
Lightweights.

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 06:56 AM
FB works fine with directx, (can see ripples on water without perfect settings) but crashes to the desktop when trying to use OpenGL!! Any ideas as to what the problem may be?

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 07:14 AM
Post some of your specs, impossible to tell with out them....

See you in the fence.....

Asus P4B533 i845E
P4 2.4
Asus GF4 Ti 4200 128MB (45.23)
1 GIG DDR RAM (PC 2100)
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MSFF2
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Zayets
10-24-2003, 08:32 AM
Installed on my Ti4600.No problem at all. I use now Quinc AA without AF,beautiful picture!Just beautiful. Increased also the refresh rate on my monitor , beautiful. I suppose this would work with the old drivers , but didn't tried that,I will give credit to the new driver./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 10:32 AM
I have a PNY GeForce 4 Ti4600 128MB and the new drivers gimmie a CTD immediately after the loading bar completes when trying to start a mission in FB... I think the same as a few others here have mentioned.

I rolled back to 45.xx and its fine for now...

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 12:23 PM
"Warning if you use Geforce4 Ti4x00 family, dont bother to try them.. "

Running great for me - WinXP pro, geforece 4200ti 128 megs

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 01:24 PM
I've got a 128Mb FX 5200 and it's never worked so GOOD/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

About time/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 02:29 PM
HarryVoyager wrote:
- AF at high resolutions is highly useful when one is
- trying to spot aircraft a few K out.
-
- Anisotropic Filtering increases image sharpness for
- undersampled images, so when one is trying to tell
- if that cluster of four or five pixels is an enemy
- aircraft, or a twitter in the backround, it becomes
- quite noticable. When combined with FSAA and
- 1600x1200 resolutions, you can litterally see for
- miles in game.

2x ansio is the maximum you'll need for this H. Think about it for a moment and you'll come to the same conclusion. Its simply is not worth the processing overhead to go above 2x ansio because you are looking at 4 MOVING pixels. Your eye will detect the pixel movement long before hardware will change anything becuase a pixel is just a pixel and contains no added information when processed. Add to this the fact that one can see much much much much further by manipulating the games lighting settings, rather than investing in a card that costs so much.

Ansio is great if you are playing an FPS, but for FS, where the horizon usually isn't drawn to scale, its almost a waste of time. Suggesting that ansio will fix 1-4 pixel groups is a bit of a tall story. It definately wont improve the distant models because they are low-res. models anyway.


- You can see this for yourself by running the game
- first at 1600x1200 with no AF and no FSAA, no icons,
- and trying to pick out enemy aircraft in a quick
- mission. Then, quite the game, set the maximum AF
- and 2x or 4x FSAA, depending on how much your
- computer can handle with at least 30 fps, and see
- how far away you can spot aircraft now. You should
- notice a significant difference in your view range.
-
- Even with icons on, I can now routinely spot enemy
- aircraft long before the icons become active.


800x600@32. No stencil buffer. V-sync on, OpenGL mode. Set the game for "excellent", and then customize the settings so that the terrain lighting is flat, but leave everthing else alone (on 64 mb cards, put terrain detail to lowest and you'll get great FPS.. who needs to see trees anyway?).

Draw your own conclusions.


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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 05:30 PM
BaldieJr wrote:
-
- ...
-
- Suggesting that ansio will fix 1-4 pixel groups is a bit
- of a tall story.

Oh. Was he suggesting? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

- Draw your own conclusions.

No need. Yours pretty much summed it up.

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EDIT: Heh. Baldie. Your airplane crashed. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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Message Edited on 10/24/0311:32AM by RealKill

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 06:14 PM
RealKill wrote:
- BaldieJr wrote:
--
-- ...
--
-- Suggesting that ansio will fix 1-4 pixel groups is a bit
-- of a tall story.
-
- Oh. Was he suggesting? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
-
-- Draw your own conclusions.
-
- No need. Yours pretty much summed it up.
-
-- _____ | _____
-- _\__(o)__/_
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-
- EDIT: Heh. Baldie. Your airplane crashed.

Too much speed, too much slip, and a sudden gust of crosswind on landing.

But my hair was in place the whole time.

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 06:21 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- First let me say to the one who plans on laughing.
- This was a free exchange for the 5900. Sorry, no
- laughing for you.
-
-
- A few quick tests. 3D Mark 2001...19000..no
- overclocking
-
- FB 1600 res 6xsaa...smooth as silk..you won't
- believe the fps so I won't tell you. Cya nvidia.
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You rich bastard , my wife would kill me if i spend this amount of money in a videocard , beh , i am stuck with my ti4400 until i can buy a 9700 for 160 bux .
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Buzz_25th
10-24-2003, 06:24 PM
R.D.D,

My wife would have killed me too. However, that all in the past now. No more wife, and i'm an old fart retired. Free to waste my money as I please. It's all I have left now. Not so lucky really../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 07:48 PM
TI4600
I did a test before installing the 52.16 and imediately after. Identical except for driver I used Aqua Mark3 which is a DX9 test. there was a slight fram rate increase from 18.70 to 19.16 there was a very noticable improvement in quality of rendering however. I also feel this is true with FB a quality increase.
So I feel it is worth it.

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 08:37 PM
you guys with Ti4600s having no probs with FB:

Are you running OpenGL or DirectX?

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 08:43 PM
OpenGL.

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10-24-2003, 09:18 PM
OpenGL here , but I can try DX just for the fun of it

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 10:34 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- R.D.D,
-
- My wife would have killed me too. However, that all
- in the past now. No more wife, and i'm an old fart
- retired. Free to waste my money as I please. It's
- all I have left now. Not so lucky really../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
-
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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 11:37 PM
well I dunno... They feel slower here on my FX 5900 U. Playing at 1280 x 960 4XAA 4XAF.

I used the NVIDIA panel to override the refresh rate, is that a bad thing?

This is weird 'cause most other games I tried feel faster. Just not IL2 FB.
Maybe it's just me.



Message Edited on 10/24/0310:38PM by GPSnoopy

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 01:16 AM
well, my feeling was right.

With these new drivers my fps was cut in half! Yes 50 % loss!
But the picture quality was a lot better.
After playing a bit with every settings I found out that, unlike the 45.33, the 52.16 aniso filtering panel of the drivers do work with IL2:FB.

So basically with the 45.33 I was playing without AF even when I ask for it in the drivers panel, but with the new drivers it works fine. So that explains the perf loss.

Putting the AF panel on "Application controlled" fixed the performance issue.

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 01:47 AM
You're still playing without trilinear filtering in D3D applications even when you turn it on.

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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 02:10 AM
Same here,tried the 52.16,with a ti4200 Sony Rig PCV-RX550,Crashes to desk top with FB,like you said,not good for some people with Ti cards,went back to the 45.23 no problem with FB,still can view in perfect mode fps 16-35

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 06:05 AM
well here's my two pence. For me the 52.16 drivers are very impressive with improvements in fps in most of the games I run (btw, this is on a Gainward GF4Ti4600). FB is a bit slicker than before which is always welcome.

Aside from FB, these drivers seem to do alot for reflective surface mapping with my card (i.e UT2003, Unreal2, Chrome, Halo).

The biggest improvement in performance I saw was for Halo, which allowed me to change from a sluggish 800x600 (max. detail) to a much slicker 1152x864 - an impressive improvement from the 45.23 drivers I was previously using.

At the end of the day alot depends on whcih game you are running as to what improvements newer drivers give, but it seems that (for me at least) Nvidia got the formula right this time.

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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 08:09 AM
hotspace wrote:
- I've got a 128Mb FX 5200 and it's never worked so
- GOOD/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
- About time/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
-
- Hot Space
-
- Death is so final and Life is just boring.....


I have the same card. Can you be more specific on the improvements. I'am downloading the new drivers right now.

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 08:21 AM
FB works fine with directx, (can see ripples on water without perfect settings) but crashes to the desktop when trying to use OpenGL!! Any ideas as to what the problem may be?

XP Pro
Athlon XP2200 1.8Ghz
512 RAM
Geoforce 4 TI4200 AGP8
Creative sb Audigy

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 08:24 AM
Are you people that are crashing running perfect settings? I do not run perfect setting. I would rather have the fps. But, I tried perfect settings in Ogl and it went to the desktop. I did not really play around with the settings to see if 'something' was causing this. (XP Pro - Ti4600)

EDIT: D'oh! - Other than that, which is not important to me, they are an improvement. I did not benchmark, but it was noticeable enough that I realized the improvement.

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Message Edited on 10/25/0302:48AM by RealKill

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 08:34 AM
Touchwood go to the tech forum and post your DX diognostics.

Plenty of knowledgable help to be found.

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 01:23 PM
Well after some advice and playing around a little it appears that the crash to desktop only happens when using perfect settings.

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 02:28 PM
I tried this driver for my GF4Ti440 but went back to the older driver.

This new driver caused my 3Dmark2001 to go down about 500 points. I didn't notice any difference in FB.

More importantly, however, I could notice mouse lag at 1024x768 on the desktop (could not notice it at higher resolutions however). It looked like my desktop "wasn't v-syncing" with regards to mouse movement. I'm a mouse movement freak and set it to refresh at 200. I went back to the old driver and the mouse was smooth again.

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Zayets
10-25-2003, 02:48 PM
The only game I see improvmet is FB. In GTA now if is raining (with quinc AA/2AF) I have stutters , especially on high populated areas.Lomac demo seems to work the same.

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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 03:03 PM
D-XXI wrote:
-
- hotspace wrote:
-- I've got a 128Mb FX 5200 and it's never worked so
-- GOOD/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
--
-- About time/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
--
-- Hot Space
--
-- Death is so final and Life is just boring.....
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- I have the same card. Can you be more specific on
- the improvements. I'am downloading the new drivers
- right now.

Sure, the FPS has shot up, plus I can use Prefect Setting which I coundn't before.

So I'm a happy man/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 07:03 PM
Newly released Startsorm 52.16's over at the guru3d.com's forums... they are not self installing though which is the bummer, but not too much of a problem

veeeery nice. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

keeper on my Ti4200.

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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 07:43 PM
RBJ Wrote

"This new driver caused my 3Dmark2001 to go down about 500 points. I didn't notice any difference in FB"

come on you really think that benchmark actually means anything ? did you compare the game fps between the older drivers ? the fastest drivers in that benchmark are 44.03 for the FX cards bcos the nature test gets 30% more fps with them.

For me the 52.16 are the best drivers yet the fps in games is higher.
like in game 1 of 3dmark 2001 and game 2 if it had fps like 44.03 in the nature test they would be up with the ATI cards in 2001 ( but 44.03 must be doing something not quite right imo to get the higher fps , but it does look like there is still something wrong with the way they are rendering the nature test the trees jerk about it isnt smooth , which must be holding back fps imo ).

Fb looks much better imo and yes you may get a fps loss if you use AF filtering as its actualy working now.
as for the starstorm drivers hmm i think they suck to be honest the XQ are just crap way too grainy..while the performance is ok its a pitty he has the LOD at -15 ( though he is only a kid ) if he had it at -1 with whatever else he did they would be ok i guess, i didnt like the normal starstorms that much either though they were better.

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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 09:33 PM
G4 ti card owners could use 52.16 drivers,I was using perfect for 45.23,tried 52.16 booted me out to the desk top.Tried not using perfect setting,ok now.Colors look more brilliant,colorful,rich.fps about the same.

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 09:33 PM
i got less picture quality

was using 45.23s

with this driver from nvidia FB has more jagged lines

i run my GF4Ti4200 on max settings

AA 4XS

AF 8X

looked better with older driver

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 09:55 PM
I always thought the 45.23s looked washed out.

I guess it a matter of taste I have a FX 5900 Ultra btw

also im interested in what CPU you run that Ti4200 with at 4xS fass and 8xAF and at what rez ? 8xAF used to kill my TI 4600 i dont even use that much on this FX

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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 10:14 PM
4600ti, running 1024x768 4zAA 2xAF, runs smoother in Blackdeath, looks great.Running thru some other games at the moment. Janes WWII and Unreal Tournament maxed, all settings, no problems so far!!!

XyZspineZyX
10-26-2003, 08:09 AM
Welshman , the colours wer fine .... the detail showing in-game was good for me too ...

but ( & i find this intolerable ) the smooth lines wernt there ... it had a lot more jagged lines

it was total carp on my system for bandit spotting too

the far away planes were smaller & less defined

nicer screenshots with 45.23

XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 12:14 PM
Perfect crashes to desktop here too - Ti4200 (64Mb 4xAGP).

But FPS are good and textures look better with this driver so losing perfect for performance hmmm not sure yet if I will go back to 45 dets.

Hope they sort it though as I liked the water in perfect.

8 x AF
no AA

Seems to work well for me.

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Zayets
10-27-2003, 12:20 PM
took GTA again for a ride yesterday night. I have big problems with shadows when using AA(quinc) and w/o AF.In FB is outstanding. I don't know what a hell is happening. Lomac demo runs also excellent with a fps increase (A-10 mission). I will try other games to see what happens.

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