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RAAFVirtSqn
04-03-2004, 12:59 AM
I make this post on behalf of my squadron mates at RAAF Virt Squadron, and fellow Aussies who fly FB/AEP and are pleased to see Pacific Fighters being developed.

Given there are many of us Aussies interested in this upcoming sim, which is stated to have a focus on bombing missions, it would be great if you could consider what bombers we mainly flew in the Pacific during WW2.

1) The Hudson Bomber - no one ever seems to metion it was one of most widely flown bombers by the RAAF in the pacific. For those who watch Austrlian Story on ABC you will know what I mean - that bloke that even Saburo Saki priased for his flying ability and guts.

2) PBY5 - extensivley used for bombing raids, minelaying and search rescue. RAAF PBY even spotted the Jap fleet first, allowing one of the most significant battles to be won by the allies.

3) Bristol Beaufighter -extensivley used against Japanese shipping

4) Beauforts - even produced in Aussie under licence.

5) Liberators

Can at least 1, 2 and 3 be developed for Pacific Fighters to ensure us Aussies get some form of accurate bomber representation.

Please dont leave us behind with having to fly bombers we did not do too much flying in if at all.

Yours Sincerly,
_RAAF_Schuftie
RAAF Virtual Squadron

RAAFVirtSqn
04-03-2004, 12:59 AM
I make this post on behalf of my squadron mates at RAAF Virt Squadron, and fellow Aussies who fly FB/AEP and are pleased to see Pacific Fighters being developed.

Given there are many of us Aussies interested in this upcoming sim, which is stated to have a focus on bombing missions, it would be great if you could consider what bombers we mainly flew in the Pacific during WW2.

1) The Hudson Bomber - no one ever seems to metion it was one of most widely flown bombers by the RAAF in the pacific. For those who watch Austrlian Story on ABC you will know what I mean - that bloke that even Saburo Saki priased for his flying ability and guts.

2) PBY5 - extensivley used for bombing raids, minelaying and search rescue. RAAF PBY even spotted the Jap fleet first, allowing one of the most significant battles to be won by the allies.

3) Bristol Beaufighter -extensivley used against Japanese shipping

4) Beauforts - even produced in Aussie under licence.

5) Liberators

Can at least 1, 2 and 3 be developed for Pacific Fighters to ensure us Aussies get some form of accurate bomber representation.

Please dont leave us behind with having to fly bombers we did not do too much flying in if at all.

Yours Sincerly,
_RAAF_Schuftie
RAAF Virtual Squadron

necrobaron
04-03-2004, 01:02 AM
An excellent and mature post. I hope you guys get the birds you're after. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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LuckyBoy1
04-03-2004, 01:24 AM
Good point about the UK bombers. Even the B-17 and B-29 seem missing in action here. Oleg and the gang have proposed in another post that the problem was in two parts...

1) Lack of documentation on the planes. This is horse hockey and if they need 'em, I'll send e'm the schematics!

2) Four engines make everything more complicated and then when you add such things as bomb site, gunners positions etc. it gets more involved. Fair enough, but I think most would rather have a few good, historically significant flyable bombers than more obscure U.S. jets that never saw any real action. Fighters may have participated in WWII, but bombers helped win the war in ways fighters never could! How about at least a flyable Lancaster and a B-17? Is this asking too much to trade 4-5 oddball fighters for a ballanced game?

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porcupine1
04-03-2004, 04:25 AM
I was thinking about modelling an AI hudson Any info guys?? 3 view drawings

Adair_Smith
04-03-2004, 04:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The Hudson Bomber - no one ever seems to metion it was one of most widely flown bombers by the RAAF in the pacific. For those who watch Austrlian Story on ABC you will know what I mean - that bloke that even Saburo Sakai priased for his flying ability and guts.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was Pilot Officer Warren F. Cowan from Adelaide. Imagine taking on eight zeroes single handed.
Now that Nancy Wake has finally got some recognition at home for her contribution, its time that Cowan was similarly honoured. Its a pity that Sakai is no longer around to speak on his behalf.
http://www.warbirdpictures.com/NavyJB&W2/A5M-22.jpg

mllaneza
04-03-2004, 09:38 AM
I'm all in favor of the Beaufighter becoming flyable as soon as possible. Lots of nations used them in all theaters. We see the occasional screenshotof the externals, but it needs to be flyable.

Veteran - Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force. 1993-1951.

luthier1
04-03-2004, 09:49 AM
Will you take 2, 3 and 5 instead?

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Oso2323
04-03-2004, 09:49 AM
I wholly agree! I think that the Commonwealth is quite under-represented in FB. I'd like to see a few transport and recon versions of that Hudson.

Tully__
04-03-2004, 09:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
Will you take 2, 3 and 5 instead?

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You give me the Beaufighter and you can have my firstborn child http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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luthier1
04-03-2004, 09:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tully__:
You give me the Beaufighter and you can have my firstborn child<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh you just wait http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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clint-ruin
04-03-2004, 11:25 AM
I don't think anyone could complain with 2, 3 and 5 Luthier! Excellent.. *rubs hands together*

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Gunner_361st
04-03-2004, 11:31 AM
Bump for Beaufighter and Bombers in general. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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TimTam27
04-04-2004, 01:11 AM
Ah well, it looks like we will have to hope that a 3rd party modeler will take on the Hudson. I understand that it would not be a priority for the developers but this largely unsung aircraft was very prominent in the first six months of the Pacific War. I believe it was the first Allied plane to sink a Japanese ship when RAAF Hudsons based at Khota Baru attacked an invasion force, sinking a large freighter and several landing barges.
An AI version would be fine but it would have to be able to act as a fighter as well as a bomber as Hudsons would often attack flying boats annd seaplanes if given the chance.

RAC_Pips
04-04-2004, 02:35 AM
And don't forget the Vultee Vengeance. Operated by five RAAF squadrons in 1943 and early 1944. No one else wanted the plane, but the RAAF was happy to take it on.

And it proved very successful indeed. Amazingly accurate and it ended up having the lowest loss rate of any front line aircraft in the SWPA. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Great book available on the Vengeance by Peter Smith.

luthier1
04-04-2004, 02:45 AM
Now Vultee Vengeance IS an aircraft I'd like to see as a flyable! A very nice opportunity to bring this excellent and completely forgotten plane into people's picture of the war in the Pacific.

It is in the top five on my plane wishlist.

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necrobaron
04-04-2004, 02:47 AM
Schweet! And we can't also forget about the illustrious career of the Brewster Buccaneer! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Well,it had a cool name anyway!

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PtePyle
04-04-2004, 02:52 AM
nice post mate, has inspired me to go read up about the not very appreciated aussie air force in ww2

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clint-ruin
04-04-2004, 02:58 AM
The story of Sakai and the RAAF Hudson is at:

http://www.abc.net.au/austory/transcripts/s590505.htm

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RAAFVirtSqn
04-04-2004, 05:22 AM
Dear Luthier,

2,3 and 5 - that is fantastic. However, will still try to persuade for the inclusion of a Hudson. The reason will be forthcoming in my next post, which is also in relation to the post by clint_ruin "The Story of Saki and the RAAF Hudson.

Please check out the url posted by clint_ruin, and you will see why, 1 The Hudson would be really appreciated by us Aussies as well.

Kind Regards
_RAAF_Schuftie

RAAFVirtSqn
04-04-2004, 05:23 AM
oops sry duplicate post

[This message was edited by RAAFVirtSqn on Sun April 04 2004 at 05:28 AM.]

RAAFVirtSqn
04-04-2004, 05:23 AM
sry moderator same thing happened - and could not delete duplicates

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RAAFVirtSqn
04-04-2004, 05:23 AM
sry cant deleted duplicate posts only the message contents

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RAAFVirtSqn
04-04-2004, 05:35 AM
Adair,

Thanks for your post providing more light on P/O Warren Cowan's Hudson fight with Saburo Saki flight of 9 Zeros.

Yes I totally agree some recognition should go to P/O Cowan and his crew.

This story sparked so much interest in me that I though I would do some basic research on this event and report back.

Please see my post at RAAF Virt Sqn message board

http://fauna.com.au/raafforum/viewtopic.php?t=119

[This message was edited by RAAFVirtSqn on Sun April 04 2004 at 05:30 AM.]

RAAFVirtSqn
04-04-2004, 05:43 AM
again sry moderator you can delete this as well

[This message was edited by RAAFVirtSqn on Sun April 04 2004 at 05:33 AM.]

RAAFVirtSqn
04-04-2004, 05:43 AM
moderator please delete this post

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RAAFVirtSqn
04-04-2004, 05:43 AM
There is an excellent publication on RAAF PBY Squadrons.

"Catalina Squadrons - First and Furthest"
"Recounting the Operations of RAAF Catalinas"
"May 1941 to March 1943" By Jack Riddell

Also see this link.
http://home.star.brisnet.org.au/~dunn/abtsep42.htm

The co-pilot hanging out the window is my next door neighbour and is the most amazing person I have had the opportunity to meet and is a true friend. This being one of the many interesting events he took part in as a WW2 RAAF pilot.

clint-ruin
04-04-2004, 05:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RAAFVirtSqn:

Also see this link.
http://home.star.brisnet.org.au/~dunn/abtsep42.htm
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Should also mention that Dunns' site contains airfield maps, listings of Australian based RAAF/RAF/NEIF squadrons/duties/plane types, and so on.

http://home.star.brisnet.org.au/~dunn/index.htm

Probably the most complete listing of such things you're likely to find on the net.

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RAAFVirtSqn
04-04-2004, 06:34 AM
Rgr clint_ruin, Dunn's site is fantastic.

RAAF_Furball
04-05-2004, 12:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
Will you take 2, 3 and 5 instead?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Of Course !

Thnx, Luthier (and Schuftie)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
(Vultee Vengeance) ... is in the top five on my plane wishlist.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>What's this? Luthier has a wishlist? ... I thought he'd have a "I want it, you DO IT ! list http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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luthier1
04-05-2004, 12:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RAAF_Furball:
What's this? Luthier has a wishlist? ... I thought he'd have a "I want it, you DO IT ! list http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have that list as well - Vultee Vengeance is not on it, it's on the "after we do everything on the first list" list.

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JR_Greenhorn
04-05-2004, 12:41 AM
Luthier, if you don't mind my asking, what is on your "Wish" list? I mean all other things aside, what do you want your sim to include? Just curious.

RAAF_Furball
04-05-2004, 12:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
(snip) ... Vultee Vengeance is on the "after we do everything on the first list" list. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> oops - I put the smiley in the wrong place - changes the meaning entirelyhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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click below for Fur's website

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Adair_Smith
04-05-2004, 03:14 AM
RAAFVirtSqn wrote: Adair - Thanks for your post providing more light on P/O Warren Cowan's Hudson fight with Saburo Sakai flight of 9 Zeros.

No Worries!
Thanks for the link to the online RAAFSqn page too.

xanty
04-05-2004, 08:20 AM
Hi all:

Did the RAAF use Douglas A-20? Anyone has any good info/pics (not from internet, please)

Thanks!

PS: I would also love to see the Blenheim and the Beaufort modelled flyable, at least at some distant point.

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MornJW
04-05-2004, 08:25 AM
http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-air-support/ww2-allied/aircraft-raaf.htm