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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 09:04 AM
1)To you patch whiners: Just chill. I completely understand where you are coming from, but just.... chill. The lack of regular updates can be frustrating, but I am sure 1C is/has done everything within their power to get this patch to us as fast and in as complete a package as possible. None of us want a patch that needs patching. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

2)To you whiners about Patch whiners: Also chill. Understand that the whining is caused by a lack of good information from 1C and Ubi as much as by the fact that the patch isn't out yet. these "Shut up" threads are very counter productive.

3)Always try to be respectful on this Forum. it helps a lot. I am guilty of not always doing the above, and I always regret it. No reason to do so more than you can help it.

4)What is up with the climb rates in this game? And some of the FMs? Man, I just dont get it. Here is hoping that the FMs in particular get a real close look in the patch(s) or in the next add-on.

5)Casualty rates from WW I:

From "The First World War, A Complete History" by Martin Gilbert. A REALLY good book for those interested. This has obvioulsy taken me some time to type out here, so if you think this is good stuff then please bump.

"The destructiveness of the First World War, in terms of the numbers of soldiers killed, exceeded that of all other wars known to history. The following list gives the numbers of those who were killed in action, or who died of wounds received in action. The figures are inevitably approximate, nor do they encompass all the victims of the war. In the case of Serbia, more civilians died(82,000) than the soldiers listed here. In the United States army, more soldiers died of influenza(62,000)than were killed in battle. The number of Armenians massacred between 1914 and 1919 was more than one million. The number of German civilians dying as a result of the Allied blockade has been estimated at more than three quarters of a million.
The numbers of war dead of the principal belligerents were, according to the MINIMUM estimates:
Germany: 1,800,000
Russia: 1,700,000
France: 1,384,000
Austria-Hungary: 1,290,000
Britain: 743,000
Italy: 615,000
Roumania: 335,000
Turkey: 325,000
Bulgaria: 90,000
Canada: 60,000
Australia: 59,000
India: 49,000
United States: 48,000
Serbia: 45,000
Belgium: 44,000
New Zealand: 16,000
South Africa: 8,000
Greece: 5,000
Montenegro: 3,000

The Central Powers, the losers of the war, lost 3,500,000 soldiers on the battlefield. The Allied Powers, the victors, lost 5,100,000 men. On average, this was more than 5,600 soldiers killed on each day of the war. The fast that 20,000 British soldiers were killed on the first day of the Battle of the SOmme is often recalled with horror. On average, a similar nuber of soldiers were killed in every four-day period of the First World War."

I was going to say more, but I am tired of typing now, S~


United States 8th Air Force Home Page - http://www.geocities.com/p39il2/

Semper Fi,

Dosiere

Message Edited on 07/09/03 04:06AM by US_8th_Dosiere

Message Edited on 07/09/0304:08AM by US_8th_Dosiere

XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 09:04 AM
1)To you patch whiners: Just chill. I completely understand where you are coming from, but just.... chill. The lack of regular updates can be frustrating, but I am sure 1C is/has done everything within their power to get this patch to us as fast and in as complete a package as possible. None of us want a patch that needs patching. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

2)To you whiners about Patch whiners: Also chill. Understand that the whining is caused by a lack of good information from 1C and Ubi as much as by the fact that the patch isn't out yet. these "Shut up" threads are very counter productive.

3)Always try to be respectful on this Forum. it helps a lot. I am guilty of not always doing the above, and I always regret it. No reason to do so more than you can help it.

4)What is up with the climb rates in this game? And some of the FMs? Man, I just dont get it. Here is hoping that the FMs in particular get a real close look in the patch(s) or in the next add-on.

5)Casualty rates from WW I:

From "The First World War, A Complete History" by Martin Gilbert. A REALLY good book for those interested. This has obvioulsy taken me some time to type out here, so if you think this is good stuff then please bump.

"The destructiveness of the First World War, in terms of the numbers of soldiers killed, exceeded that of all other wars known to history. The following list gives the numbers of those who were killed in action, or who died of wounds received in action. The figures are inevitably approximate, nor do they encompass all the victims of the war. In the case of Serbia, more civilians died(82,000) than the soldiers listed here. In the United States army, more soldiers died of influenza(62,000)than were killed in battle. The number of Armenians massacred between 1914 and 1919 was more than one million. The number of German civilians dying as a result of the Allied blockade has been estimated at more than three quarters of a million.
The numbers of war dead of the principal belligerents were, according to the MINIMUM estimates:
Germany: 1,800,000
Russia: 1,700,000
France: 1,384,000
Austria-Hungary: 1,290,000
Britain: 743,000
Italy: 615,000
Roumania: 335,000
Turkey: 325,000
Bulgaria: 90,000
Canada: 60,000
Australia: 59,000
India: 49,000
United States: 48,000
Serbia: 45,000
Belgium: 44,000
New Zealand: 16,000
South Africa: 8,000
Greece: 5,000
Montenegro: 3,000

The Central Powers, the losers of the war, lost 3,500,000 soldiers on the battlefield. The Allied Powers, the victors, lost 5,100,000 men. On average, this was more than 5,600 soldiers killed on each day of the war. The fast that 20,000 British soldiers were killed on the first day of the Battle of the SOmme is often recalled with horror. On average, a similar nuber of soldiers were killed in every four-day period of the First World War."

I was going to say more, but I am tired of typing now, S~


United States 8th Air Force Home Page - http://www.geocities.com/p39il2/

Semper Fi,

Dosiere

Message Edited on 07/09/03 04:06AM by US_8th_Dosiere

Message Edited on 07/09/0304:08AM by US_8th_Dosiere

XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 09:13 AM
Well, I just read the patch update from Vengeance. See, there is no need to Whine about anything. All is good.

United States 8th Air Force Home Page - http://www.geocities.com/p39il2/

Semper Fi,

Dosiere

XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 09:36 AM
bump *SLAP*

um...me thinks World War 2 had the most severe military and civilian death toll.


The total USSR *military* loss in World War II was 8,668,400 including Ukraine, Byelorussia, Russia, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Armenia, Georgia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Tadjikistan, etc. according to General M. Moiseyev, Chief of General Staff, USSR Armed forces (Voennoistoricheskiy zhurnal no. 3, March 1990; quoted by Peter G. Tsouras in The Great Patriotic War, p. 240.

---> http://www.infoukes.com/history/ww2/page-29.html /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Not sure if this is "battlefield" deaths. But possibly Soviet military death toll greater than all other combatants combined.

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The 13 million Soviet military below seems quite high here. Generally agreed ~20 million Soviet deaths miltary and civilian. Nobody knows. Nobody ever will know.

---> http://www.valourandhorror.com/DB/BACK/Casualties.htm


Most astonishing, we waited this long for Eastern Front sim.

XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 09:55 AM
I am not sure of all the numbers for WW2. He may have meant "up to that time". WW1 was the most destructive war up to that time. I am not sure. It is certainly close to WW2 at least. A shame SO many people died in all these wars in the last century. Its rather sad.

United States 8th Air Force Home Page - http://www.geocities.com/p39il2/

Semper Fi,

Dosiere

XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 01:19 PM
Destruction of WW1 was due to:

1. Automated weapons
2. Quick Firing Breech loading artillery
3. Barbed wire

AND

4. The ability to can meat - yep now they could fight all year round and keep the troop supplied.

fluke39
07-09-2003, 01:29 PM
around 55 million died in the second world war
thats
55,000,000
when you think of all the value that is placed on one human life in peacetime(well at anytime really), a figure like that defies comprehension
just one of the reasons i make sure i respect the minutes silence every november 11th (and also why i sometimes get angry at those who don't) and also why i always "wear my poppy with pride"- i feel it is the very least we can do to thank those who sacrificed everything they had for us.


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